One of the Israeli marketing slogans is to claim the IDF is the most moral army in the world.While this is obviously just another dumb empty bullshit slogan, I was wondering what moral framework they could be referring to. It can't be the Christian one, after all they are Jews, which also excludes the Islamic one. Is their preferred moral framework for the IDF secular, atheist, or Jewish? And if it's Jewish morals, does this mean stuff like:- eye for an eye- omerta- genocide- ....Because that's what you can find in the old testament and I don't wanna start with the Talmud.Why is nobody calling this out?
>Moral frameworks are religiousLiberal institutionalism is generally the moral framework an armed forces is going to be referring to which has no religion. Actually, it's secular by nature. For instance, the most Christian army would be beating slaves and taking war brides.
The fact that armies don't completely rape and pillage every single city they take is actually a huge boost of human progress.I think IDF is still running the old program
>>536020220It comes from Israel being the only army that has artillery warning shots on residential buildings 15 minutes before they hit it with real munitions. It's basically the same as saying you're incredibly moral because you stabbed 30 people but gave each one a warning stab with a fake knife first before you killed them with a real knife. Classic pilpul
>>536020220Name one army that has a lower combattant to civilian killed ratio.
>>536020557The concept of total war is way more modern than people think. It comes from WWII. Before that, armies fought in uninhabited fields and then after 1 side lost, surrender conditions that spared civilians and allowed for future diplomacy (without need of occupation) were the norm.
>>536020636>we labeled everyone a combatant :^)
>>536020740Not an argument.
>>536020220The IDF is ran by leftists. Becuase they are leftists that find themselves in an existential threat, and are more descendant from old school soviets than modern western leftists, they are still going to kill the enemy, but they really really dont want to.So they have retarded legal departments and bureaucracy set up to ok and clear any action against the enemy in real time.They literally have a 'just shoot them in the legs' ROE for example, and when they do something like blow up a building they have to have a justification for it and produce an actual sanction that allows it.Its like how all modern militaries have this vision of micromanaging their field operations via satalite communication, only its not just strategic/tactical command but a legal team. This is because the IDF leftists really care about international opinion, and still cant get it through their head that it doesnt matter how much effort they spend proving they are in fact targeting terrorists, the international opinion will still turn on them because the international opinion has been seized by anti-west sentiment and unfortunately israel is the front line of the west vs the savage middle eastern hordes.
>>536020636Nigga, y'all literally say kids are combatants lmao
>>536020904It is, actually. Hope that helps
>>536020904Are you retarded?Some 80 year old or 8 year old are combatants?
>>536020437He is right though, western secular liberalism is ultimately religious, its the christian moral framework, which is why its shoddy.To understand abrahamism you must look at pauls abolition of the law. This is the key point of understanding that might shed light on things to a westerner. Religion is typically culture, you could call them a synonym. It is not this way in the west and christianity due to pauls abolition of the law. "The law' in question is essentially the practical rationale that allows the societies religious ideals to bridge the gap into practical daily implementation. Christianity and the west does not have this anymore, thats what paul abolished, and thats why we have a separation of religious and secular life ingrained into western/christian way of thinking.Now, religious jews arent like this, but the IDF is full of secularists and so they are like this because any secularist anywhere on the planet is actually just a crypto-christianIf you want to see the most christian army look at byzantium where even in defensive wars soldiers had to do penance for any invaders they killed. Killing is simply wrong according to christianity, and even reasonable justification in the world is still a necessary evil because the world itself is evil and a good christian would just die. This is the western thinking and unfortunately it is still the western leftist thinking even if they cannot articulate it, its why they act so suicidal and against their own self interest everywhere, letting themselves get destroyed by outsiders because it would be too mean not to.The IDF is also like this, and they, being leftists, criticize everyone and every thing, saw other western armies actions, and tried to do better. The IDF is in fact by the unguided 'anarchic' ideal chasing of christian ideal the most moral, its just that this is an unworkable notion in the first place.
>>536021249This.Libtardism is modern Christianity for a more literate and less superstitious population of people
>>536020636The Swiss army. It's zero since 150 years.
>>536020980Whats the difference between a bullet from a 17 year old and an 18 year old?>>536021046No, it's not.>>536021154Nobody is targeting 8 year olds>Palirats love their children, they would never strap a suicide bomb vest on one.
>>536020557>The fact that armies don't completely rape and pillage every single city they take is actually a huge boost of human progress.Totally agree. It's a lot more worth nowadays to keep the enemie alive and sort of satisfied to extort him with taxes and dividends as the US is doing it with its vassals.
>>536021476Lol, lmao even. The swiss were notoriously known all across Europe as extremely obedient butchers, and what's funnier is that the did it purely for money.
>>536020580> It comes from Israel being the only army that has artillery warning shots on residential buildings 15 minutes before they hit it with real munitions.Which moral framework is this practice based on?
>>536021504>I don't consider everyone a combatant but here are all the reasons I consider everyone a combatantThis must be b8
>>536021504>Whats the difference between a bullet from a 17 year old and an 18 year old?I love how you changed the ages , I was talking about kids not teensAlso human shields bro? Come-on Bennett 2026
>>536021620>I will ignore facts, reality and direct evidence to fit *palestinians* into my innocent victims narrativeTheres a red worm eating what's left of your brains.
>>536020937>The IDF is ran by leftists.Ok. The IDF is moral because it's decision making bodies have a leftwing spirit.> the international opinion will still turn on them because the international opinion has been seized by anti-west sentiment and unfortunately israel is the front line of the west vs the savage middle eastern hordes.This thread is not about international opinion or who is a savage or not. It's about the moral framwork behind the IDF being the "most moral army in the world". You answered that to me: It's socialist, hence atheist and therefore utilitatian. That would explain a lot.
>>536021644His retarded friends were throwing stones, it's only fair. Also I'm voting for Lieberman. Bennett lost me when he allied with that journofag
>>536020220Their moral framework is called chutzpah, it's about brazenly saying the most bullshit lie you can.
>>536020220I’m sure ISIS claims the same thing
>>536021713>Ok, yes, you were correct, I do indeed consider them all to be combatants, IDK why I denied it.... but here are the REASONS I think that!!Goalpost shifted. Concession accepted.
>>536021565> The swiss were notoriously known all across Europe as extremely obedient butchersWho wasn't? There's a reason why I added since 150 years.> and what's funnier is that the did it purely for money.How disgustingly Jewish of them!
>>536020437>Is their preferred moral framework for the IDF secular, atheist>or Jewish?you nigga can't read?
>>536021774Ohh, so throwing stones meaning you should be a human shield?I'm so happy hasidics are becoming the majority here and will destroy this country
Call me a shabbos goy or a boomer all you want. It changes literally nothing.I'm America first, but Israel has been America's best ally in decades.And you know that to be true which is why it makes you seethe so fucking hard
>>536021812ISIS was more moral they threw pedophiles off buildings while kikekistan uses pedophiles to blackmail and spy everyone
>>536021959> islamonaziProgrammed ideology slop. The hypnosis is strong in them.
>>536021937Hasidics are hozrim besheela at record rates. We'll be fine you defeatist faggot.
>>536020220Second most moral army after Israeil was Soviet Red Army and Third Reich Wehrmacht, but they ceased to exist.
>>536020636>Name one army that has a lower combattant to civilian killed ratio.Unironically modern Russian army in Ukraine.And I'm not zigger supporter.
>>536022104>defeatist faggot.Oha! War das etwa ein Wirkungstreffer?
>>536021822>Noooo muh palirat children that their parents sent to kill jewsHow dare we fire back
>>536022084Yeah because there's no videos of shitskin mudslimes doing the Roman salute, or copies of Arabic me in kampf in gaza, or them screaming "globalize the intifada"You're a stupid bitch
>>536022158Kek, that's an achievement of Ukraine, not Russia.
>>536022235>not denying the goal post shift2nd concession of total defeat
>>536022104Doesn't matter how many becoming secular , unless it's 50% , it's closer to 15, the still make 8 kids per women, don't work and don't enlist
>>536020220They believe you are cattle and all morality is dictated by God's chosen people. Not joking.
>>536022316Kek
>>536020220they're the worst ever creature to walk on earth. combining sandniggers' abrahamic barbarism with russian bolshevik barbarism is what israel and idf are
>>536021770>The IDF is moral because it's decision making bodies have a leftwing spirit.not quite, leftists dont really understand morality properly because real morality is 'the law' that paul abolished, the actual step by step 'bringing down' of high religious ideal into a workable system of what to do in each situation to be good. but they are the most 'western leftist moral' and have gone far beyond what anyone else has done to try and give it a real workable framework (which is impossible because western morality is based on the idea that the world is evil and working within the world will always necessarily dirty you somewhat).>thread is not about international opinionright then, you understand why they say what they say about themselves. It should be noted that it is about international opinion though because they do care about this.Leftists really care about 'not being bad' which is why they virtue signal all over the place. So the IDF is currently in this strange situation where by the western leftist standard they are in fact doing more than anyone else to try to comply with it, but its still not working for them. This is because the western leftist standard is in fact an incoherent emotional impossibility.This should be kept in mind because it might create a breaking point where they actually do just accept the title of genocider and actually start genociding. This is what lack of morality gets you. Real morality makes you not care about what other people think of you because your ideas of what is right and good are based on reason that you have built up from foundational principles and can state and defend and not the opinion of others.
>>536020220>While this is obviously just another dumb empty bullshit sloganit's not, it's dialecticthey're the most immoral so a great way to counter that is to claim the exact opposite
>>536022427>I start internet arguments to lose them :^)Woah
>>536022553>I base my analysis on data from an islamist terrorist organization and never scrutinize itWoah
>>5360206364D pilpul.The combattant/civilian ratio gets lower the more civilian you kill...
>>536022260> Yeah because there's no videos of shitskin mudslimes doing the Roman salute, or copies of Arabic me in kampf in gaza, or them screaming "globalize the intifada"Is there any verification for this to be real & organic and not fake propaganda, and if so is it relevant in high enough numbers?Why do you come to 4chan when you also believe gvt PR? You appear to suffer of the Gellman amnesia effect.
>>536022973We respect and trust radical Muslim terrorists here in the US of A!
>>536020220Jewish morals distinguish between humans (Jews) and animals/cattle (goyim).Using this as a reference they are the most moral army.
>>536022479>real morality is 'the law' that paul abolishedWhich "law" and who is "paul"?This is not your kabbalah group.> which is impossible because western morality is based on the idea that the world is evil and working within the world will always necessarily dirty you somewhatThis is a very selective interpretation of the Christian understanding of the world. Two floors below evil is the idea that man is failable because we're human and not god. This means we make mistakes and since we can't change our nature we're sadly destined to make mistakes in life. Jesus is there to forgive us these inevitable sins we end up committing in our lives.You sound like a Jew who doesn't understand what Christianity is about.> Real morality makes you not care about what other people think of you because your ideas of what is right and good are based on reason that you have built up from foundational principles and can state and defend and not the opinion of others.Yes, fine. What are these "foundational principles" in the case of the IDF?
>>536020220You can not literally fit Moral and Jew in the same sentence.
>>536022029ISIS was founded by a nigger. Think about that.
>>536023163Get fucked Mohamed
