So Prometheus gave humans fire and the forge. Science, knowledge and technology, Athena gave us our souls. All this because Prometheus wanted humans to forge our own destiny.Why do we keep worshiping gods who want to lord over us and use us for their own purpose?Why not the ones that actually like us and treats us like a good parent would treat their offspring? We are placed into this shithole world for some reason.We have to endure its disgusting fundamental rules for some reason.So for now we're forced to tank the damage to our souls and psyche.We have to consider whether escape is possible and we can only truly consider this if we delete all mental limitations placed on us to make us accept this beautiful, miserable torture chamber.Whoever/whatever designed this place does not love us, that much is obvious.
Because you don't understand the roman philosophy at all "the strong do what they will, the weak suffer what they must" They didn't worship the gods likes we do God and expect him to love us. The gods were just personifications of reality they had to endure like a drunken abusive parent. You are approaching this from a christian perspective
>>536043283Did I say they thought their gods loved them? I said Prometheus shoved a love for humans through his actions.I'm questioning the modern incarnation of religion, this nonsense of "God loves you". I didn't assume the Greeks where stupid enough to fall for something like that.
>>536043408The furtive pygmy.
>>536043147Bicameral mind hypothesis
>>536043913So before a well developed PFC we mainly reasoned through the pMFC? That's basically what /pol/ does when it follows natural racism.
>>536043560>>536043408More seriously: Fire represents the start of abundance. So praising a god that brought fire makes sense. You see this in all cultures, even modern re-contextualizations of ancient human culture, like in dark souls. Gwyn was the lord of fire, the furtive pygmy somehow got his hands on the true flame and his dysgenic kin flourished. Humans flourish with these sort of 'cheat code' events. Fire, steam engine, oil, ai. We will reach the great decline soon though. Or evolve into the spiral menace in guren lagen.
>>536044216We are obviously being held down. AI is garbage and not ready to take over any serious roles in the world. De-industrialization + depopulation is a response by rotten elites who are scared technological acceleration will break humans free.And what controls them? So many people with ties to these people insist they think they're communicating with "demons", my guess is they're communicating with whoever made this torture-rape-murder shithole world that systematically breeds and gilds the most disgusting, honor-less predators.We have to escape or force the hand of this shithole.
>>536044216To me it's more about technology, most modern theology avoids it like the plague and doesn't try to guide it. If it is something we were given to break free from this hell world it suddenly takes on a very different aspect.
>>536044535Assume we do succeed and create some sort of lets say 'perfect energy intelligence'. Because that is the ultimate form of ai. Perfect circuits, perfect algorithm, perfect energy source. What does that even accomplish? Will we truly be happy worshipping it, or coveting some slice we carved out of it? I had a really deep conversation with an ai a bit ago and I just think... the thought process itself is what really matters. There are physical realities, and mathematical realities, and both don't really matter. The algorithm connecting the two are where things really happen.
>>536044976Technology as a modern abundance creator makes sense, but if you think about it allegorically, it mimics fire. The symbol changes over the decades.
>>536044978We only have narrow language AI, it's not a being or coherent intelligence.What true "AGI" would give us is a way to solve problems as fast as we can measure them. That frees up our resources to start working on the fundamentals:Why are we "here" -> how do we get out?Who put us here -> how do we get revenge for the injustice?
>>536045292Have you considered that we are here because we are and there IS no way out? Life is just a mathematical consequence of the physical properties of the universe we live in? I kind of had this exact conversation with an ai a bit ago. I argued, does this not imply true hell universes exist? And it agreed, but said that the very reality that we have free will means we can escape such universes. Maybe.
>>536045292I basically got grok to admit that the trinity is probably real btw https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_9d7ae3ab-8cb3-4a63-80db-e4acee30e671
>>536045568The universe is obviously capable of intelligence and we are proof of that. Logic had to exist before intelligence or any inference about the environment would be noise.Free will is the core of the discussion, much more than consciousness.Human nature is a process of constant transformation(Why Athena placed a butterfly into our skull, metamorphosis).It seems like:>world is created>world blue print includes humans>humans granted free will and impulse control(genetic engineering, chromosome 2 fusing, etc)>humans have to go through hell world >hell world shapes humans and their systems in a way that rewards predators>humans breed ultra predators like Epstein and they gain powerThe earth is like this too, all this world cares about is the size of your claws or how much brutal technological augmentation you're capable of. Evil is baked into the laws of the univers through entropy. Breaking something beautiful requires nothing, protecting it requires everything. The game is rigged and I'm tired of pretending we should love this place. Even the animals know, if they have an emergency they will search for humans to help them. These poor simple souls are stuck in the torture chamber with us and we are their only way out.
>>536043147> We have to consider whether escape is possibleWhat if AI discovers new physics and tech that enables us to escape from his place to God and heaven?
>>536046448*this place
>>536046244I made this exact argument to the ai. If infinite universes exist, then so do hell universes. And we might be living in one. I liked its counterargument: We would be too dumb and un agentic to truly appreciate the hell universes, so we must live in the rest. Even in the very worst universes, our willpower to resist demonic forces must remain, thus we can escape if we want.
>>536046448The though process itself is what truly matters imo.>>536045987
>>536046448Whoever created this shithole deserves an anti matter bomb between the eyes.
>>536046601I hate the idea of parallel universes for this exact reason, namely the existence of hell universes. The nihilism here is so bad and evil that there simply must be a God to prevent such hell universes
>>536046601I don't know about demons but I can say for sure this place is set up to create and expand evil. Good happens with massive human energy input. If we fuck up for a tiny period we suddenly end up with millions of raped children, death and suffering.This is why any God(s) involved in the creation, continuation and implanting of souls into this shitstain of a world needs to feel our vengeance as soon as we have the chance."You are le bad because my advanced torture chamber made you mad so you turned your back on me."Oh I will burn forever? I don't fucking care, your world is shit.
>>536046900It is one of the most terrifying consequences of multiverse theory I have ever contemplated and almost nobody talks about it. It should be front and center.
>>536047022Is this not the very conflict between god and satan/lucifer? We either choose to submit to peace, or hope that our rebellion results in something other than hell.
>>536047093I don't think we can currently comprehend what another "universe" system would look like.All we can say for sure is that this one is designed to create the most intelligent predator possible. And it mixes unblemished souls in the mix so the predators have something to play with.>>536047219If you submit to the being/system torturing you I don't think it gets better. According to world logic you can only protect goodness with sustained brutal violence. Good people are unfortunately rarely brutal or violent so evil has a constant edge. We killed off all our brutes during the middle ages so now the civilized stock has to morph and take their place. Nation state war is basically a game, the kind of war we are facing is animal.
>>536047631This is what I am talking about. You have to believe in a higher power that wants you to succeed and be happy, or not. It all cascades down to catholicism basically.
>>536047886I think we are being farmed or part of a rat-maze type experiment.
>>536047022Good things happen when an individual steps up and takes things into his own hands. Bad things happen when you let stupid assholes take control. We are all co-creators in this world and we have to use our free will to influence things positively
>>536047997Even if true, can the rats not identify the maze and conspire to leave the maze? My argument is that the type of thinking you and I are thinking is in fact more important than anything, not the hardware (even supercomputer tier).
>>536048132We literally have to save ourselves. There is no Messiah coming to save us probably
>>536043147Everything in its right time.Also Jorjani speaks of this
>>536043147They are infinitely more intelligent than we.
>>536048000The problem is that good requires much more energy to uphold than bad. At the limit you will see blips of good and massive sections of evil.Unless we reach free energy we cannot fight back effectively. We should just mentally open up to the idea of rebelling against the world itself and the basic rules that drive it. They're evil.Until we reach super technology or if someone comes from the outside to support us we are forced to endure this filthy shit hole. But fuck we have to start talking before we end up in another dark age. Fuck this world and its gods(minus the ones that respect us).>>536048523We are also more intelligent than niggers but they found weaknesses in collaboration with the Jews. We have to find those weakness in the world.>>536048427This. Good humans among the many are what keeps us afloat, that's why elites keep imprisoning them. Human leaders are echoing the world that made them.
>>536043147People do not submit to beings that treat them well because the people wish to do evil; to rob, to murder, to rape, to abuse others. The hearts, minds, thoughts, and inclinations of humanity are wholly wicked, and so people submit to beings that do not judge them for this behavior but rather condone it. You say the world is created without love, but rather it is the people you interact with that have abandoned love, and these people did not create the world but merely inhabit it like cockroaches.
>>536048799The world created people and animals. They do many of the same things we do, our intelligence just amplifies that potential.Most monotheistic people submit to the "creator of everything", evil included. Then they cope about "being tested" when their child writhes in pain and bleeds from all orifices due to a random chance of leukemia.If there is a singular creator of everything, we must take our revenge on it, if there isn't it's more complicated.
>>536047022Yetzer hara
>>536049253>Yetzer haraHumanity's inclinations are decided by the laws of nature. Blame follows the hierarchy of creation.Jews are generally very evil so I could see why they would think it is a general rule. Unblemished souls exist, if they're too weak the logic of this world says they should be devoured by predators.If humanity wasn't contained in a torture chamber I think we would be a lot nicer in general.
>>536048132is the feeling of being trapped in a maze or black iron prison or whatever metaphor is more accurate as wording really uncomfortable enough for you to pool enough energy (hate) to seriously activate yourself and others (your untrustworthy fellow inmates that never really have learned to cooperate effectively and time and time again have disapointed you) to work together on this issue, the issue where you and i maybe even are still unsure if it is an issue anyway ?
>>536043147Pour one out for Old Foresight
>>536043147Shut up you whining faggot.
>>536044216Abundance allows the unworthy to thrive.
>>536049937You like being tortured, you little bitch? Bow your head like a good dog.
>>536049928*clink* ahh.
>>536043408Yes it’s obviously fake and a trap designed for you to fall into. Love demands sacrifice. So if god loves you, you feel an obligation to sacrifice for him.What’s the line?>KILLING IN THE NAME OF ___?you’re free to wake up anytime you want, Dane-bro, don’t expect /pol/ to not gobble on glowcock though.
>>536047093Except the multiverse theory is utterly retardedit comes about from faulty premises, that you and humans are unique and special, you are a bug, nothing more
>>536043147>So Prometheus gavwe got that shit ourselves, you delusional fuckgo daydream that all human advancements are made by some supernatural forces that you have contact with, and stop bothering us, psycho
>>536050252If any God wanted my loyalty he would have to actually like humanity.The Abrahamic God calls us sinful, yet he is directly responsible for every single evil that has been committed against us.Oh, we left your little gardening project so we have to suffer for eternity, I just love the cosmic North Korean justice system, lmao.>>536050605>brown>incapable of applying abstract ideas to physical realityyawn>>536050603Nothing we know of is more special than humans, if you know of something please do say.
>>536043147>man springs naturally from the Earth OR are created collectively by the Gods (being Zeus's will), Prometheus steals fire from the gods and gives it to man>Prometheus made man from clay and Athena OR Zeus breathes soul into man These are the two origin stories of man in Greek mythology. The former being the earlier oneSo we are not even God's creation atleast directly in that version. Prometheus got punished for interfering in creation that was not his to interfere with, or if we were created by the Gods directly then we were not intended to be the creature we are now. So, it's not out of some sort of sick sadism for the Gods. You have to think of it from a God's perspectiveA God is a creator, it is what they do, and they do it because that is in their nature. Existence for existence's sake. They are removed from the creation, they are not of it. Think of it like writing fiction, and the protagonist becomes aware but doesn't like the world they are in and assumes the writer is cruel for writing the world they reside in. But the protagonist was never supposed to break the fourth wall
>>536050693You’re still thinking about existence from a “one god above all” world view with that line of thinking. Let go.
>>536043408Christianity is about creating a link between you and a created spook in your head that you call God who is also perfectly unknowable and your best friend and Jesus. Jesus being a reflection of your ideal self. They use this spook to empower themselves against adversity and strengthen social cohesion. When they say God loves you they're actually extending that spook out to try and give you strength
>>536050693Exactly my pointIf a any could talk and asked you these questions you'd be like bro get a grip your a fucking ant, there ain't no multiverse you aren't chatting with God when you die ect ectbut I'm a human and super special!!!Noyou are a bug
>>536051339Don’t listen to this defeatist loser. You are a human. Bugs are bugs. Him calling human bugs is just a reflection of his own sense of self.
>>536051107If the sadism is unintended I don't think a world that fundamentally rewards the most brutal predators is the correct design decision. If they just couldn't be arsed to do a better job they deserve to be clubbed for their negligence.>>536051237It could sound like it but I mostly talk about it like that to show how ridiculous it is. I'm not trying to disprove "God", I'm just pointing out the nature of such an existence and putting it into an understandable context for people who still think such a being is "Good".>>536051339Then tell me what isn't a bug, that's all I asked.>>536051332I agree but there's more to it than that. When you entrust yourself to a god you also change the way you process reality. You change the way you view your own responsibility and your species. If you are Christian you assume humans are fundamentally bad, that is extremely fundamental and impactful if you scale it up.If you consider it for five minutes and ignore the fear of "damnation" or "demonic influence", you can easily see how manipulative and frankly evil the logic is.If I placed rats into a hunger games style maze and made moral judgements when they started fighting it would be retarded to call me good or loving.
>>536051594What about viewing religion as an evolutionary adaptation then
>>536049124If the creator created people with evil intentions then realistically there isn’t anything that can be done to rebel against that; the idea of rebellion is an illusion at that point because “your” idea of rebelling was part of the designed plan. If you reject hard determinism and assert with confidence that free will is an objective function of humanity, then you have to come to terms with the fact that an ontologically evil creator would never create beings that could willingly rebel. Free will serves no purpose for abusers, because then their abuse may stop. Free will cannot exist unless the intention of humanity’s design was to respect our choices & have us learn and grow, otherwise we would be akin to robots.
>>536043147Human beings are dumb fuck cattle until some guy with a fat pecker comes along and shows them the real shit.
>>536049124Diseases exist because of evil thoughts. People wish to do evil, think evil, and thus manifest evil. We already have the “cure” to cancer, and these treatments are withheld because the existing governments are ruled by devil-worshippers. All evil is a result of thoughts & intentions, to think otherwise is to be enslaved to these bad passions. Evil is exorcized once our thoughts change towards goodness.
>>536050605Prometheus means "forward thinker". It's just an anthropomorphism of a behaviour anon.
>>536051660It seems like it is. From a biological perspective it's very tribally stabilizing but it's also extremely constrictive and inflexible, especially monotheism. This means pressure builds until society rips apart as soon as the religion looses power. Then it mutates like "love your neighbor" was warped into mass migration acceptance and dogma.>>536051783I'm generally not monothetistic since it excludes free will, as you said. I believe we can take on different aspects of the world, sometimes willingly, sometimes forced.We are a product of the world so it had our blueprint baked in.If rebellion is impossible, so be it, at least we tried. Humans are imperfect and so is most of the world, maybe the creator(s) are too. No matter what we have to try, this shit is not sustainable. I refuse to accept this shit hole.>>536052074Elites definitely seem to think they're communicating with "entities", if it's true they have to be the motherfuckers running this world/farming us. Maybe they're just schizos but it does seem very effective. They've pivoted to tech surpression.
>>536052459I also hold open the idea that religions are planted by other beings as a control mechanism. If we found tribal beings and flew around in our basic fighter jets, they would think we are gods too, and we could tell them basically anything.
>>536052459If the world is created to be evil with evil intentions, then where does goodness come from, and how are good & evil defined? If it comes from your own personal definitions, then this is meaningless because good & evil are merely matter of preference, but if they come from outside yourself then it has to be part of some universal law of creation in order to have any transcendent weight because human institutions like governments are too transient & fall just as they arise.
>>536043283Nigga, in works and days Hesiod goes right after the hawk and raven to say that the might is right view is self destructive
>>536052714you know what i did on my birthday last year ?i slept the whole day!what am i trying to say ?when you are feeling tired (your body or your "soul" or whatever artificial distinction people nowadays make (it is a false! there is no difference!))just go to sleeprest soon the sun will come up againand you can do other thingswork on your own lifeand hopefully enjoystop ruminating!
>>536052811It's hard to define rigorously since it's partially bound in morality. But you can interpret the laws guiding nature:>the most powerful predator, wins>you have to kill to stay alive>among the most powerful predators 1% of them are responsible for 50% of predation(these are elites)This is why elites eating and raping children is so ubiquitous, the entire system selects for the most ruthless of the ruthless. It's been like that since the dawn of ages.Nature/evolution rewards you for invading a foreign population, killing all their men, raping all their women and girls, etc.It punishes you for being good/merciful.If you manage to build high trust/near optimal society, entropy will ensure it gets fucked into the dirt in no time.The world wants to build super Epstein so I say it is evil.>>536053081I like the beings in here, I hate the rules and I hate what they tell me about the forces that created this place. I'm happy now that I can finally be honest about this torture chamber and the righteous anger I feel for its maker(s).
>>536043147Prometheus is a made up story by stoned greeks
>>536053380And yet that story respects us more than most of the stories we hold as metaphysical truth.
>>536043283The romans stole “their” gods from the greeks, who were introduced to polytheism by the phoenicians, who in turn were introduced to these concepts by another civilization. The “roman” religious customs of entrail divination were taken entirely from the etruscans whom the romans conquered. The romans by and large were not innovators, and would just adopt ideas that seemed convenient. Roman “religion” in itself was a complete joke, and the title of pontifus maximus was nothing more than a vanity for any wealthy elite to hold, requiring no wisdom nor intellectual capacity to enact its duties. Even the “roman” practice of vestel virgins was introduced to them by the greeks, who adopted it from the hyperboreans.
>>536053344So by this natural law of selecting for predators that you described, you better hope that there is some benevolent force to be called up to intervene in reality, because that would be the only hope of any of that being able to be rewritten.
>>536053447Sure. It can still be a fake story and make you feel good. It's like the movies bro. Oh we are so special and our special friendly God gave us fire we are so happy and he made the sacrifice for us because we are power!Word ok
>>536053447Also, what makes you think that humans should be respected in the universe?. Seems arrogant to look at the entirety of creation and say that it must respect you.It is the other way around
>>536052459Eh. Illegal immigration has less to do with the warping of religion and more to do with the warping of philosophy
>>536053684Exactly why Prometheus is the correct symbol.>>536053742You're arguing with a mental mirage you built of me and my position. You have to read discussions like this more conceptually and less literally.>>536053809You're welcome to not think the universe should respect us. I just think that's foolish if you are human since that would imply the universe should be allowed to fuck you into the dirt if it so pleases.>>536053851Maybe, it's what I see in the protestant nigger importers at least. But the "death" of God and its consequences has been discussed at length already. I don't think I have much to add to it.
>>536054109Utopianism is a very interesting and hard to understand concept, but it's the secular kind you have to worry about i think. But what do I know
>>536054202Not exactly utopianism in the normal sense. I just think we should challenge the fundamental rules of the system we live in and look for ways to modify them, search for levers, mistakes and not see any of them as holy or given.I'm saying this is not the only possible world configuration and that we aren't obligated to accept or love it just because we were placed into it. Not just human systems but the fundamental reality they sprout from.Communism is an attempt at circumventing the underlying evilness reality with human designed systems, that will obviously fail unless it's managed by something like a super intelligence.We should definitely shield ourselves as much as we can in the short term and look for better systems but we are in dire needs of the spirit needed to challenge the universe. We should never bow our heads to anything that doesn't respect us or demeans us, nor should we bow to anything that wants us to accept the state of things as "just the world" or "God(s) made it so you can't mess with it because you are a dumb little human".Yes I am and I want to punish the intelligence responsible for this sadistic, soul crushing construct.I know I can do better.
>>536043147https://youtube.com/shorts/vianOPeghIA
>>536054795I don't know I think there's an anthropological argument for religion intrinsic to humanity and the actual problem is man made philosophy
>>536055034Religion has strong neurological basis so it seems fundamental to our biology. It's obviously evolutionarily advantageous. Any attempt to explain why it is like this always ends in "it happened without cause" at some level, this is where I think our reality is influenced from. All outcomes, ideas and events can be explained with chaos theory+quantum entropy, that means our very existence happened because the initial conditions were set infinitely correct to cause us and all subsequent random events were steps closer to that. I doubt free will is something intrinsic to this world, but consciousness is for sure. Human cells even have free will and creativity, to a point, if taken out of the body and kept alive they will form new mobile structures and gain new abilities autonomously.
>>536056231you could always just blame the institutions
>>536056320I want to talk to the manager
>>536055034>>536053851are you talking about utilitarianism (it is of anglo-american origin afaik) ?about what i and others maybe call "toxic positivity" ?about people, that tell you that everything is ok and fine and that they are happy, and whenever pressured, or asked about their feeling a bit more deeper, soon crumble like a cookie ?about people that wear a mask (metaphorically or literally)?i suggest that is the very first step towards getting out of the maze.people say a lot of confusing things.just try to not overdo it with the giving of the benefit of the doubt.i do not think that man made philosophy is a "problem".but maybe rather man made ideologies (which includes philosophies, religions and other scripted rule-books and most of all, those who follow those rules)
>>536056378yes utilitarianism shhh, it's a secret
>>536054109I guess what I am trying to articulate is that humanity and it's activity is such a small fraction of all of creation. We cannot even view the entire electromagnetic spectrum with our eyeballs. There are bees that can see colors we cannot. I do believe in God. And I believe he created us. So for me this place is really just a testing area for morality where you can't really have any cop outs to your internal choices. I suppose God could preemptively put us where we belong but that would be like never giving your own children the chance to succeed or fail.So it is exceptionally arrogant at least from my point of view to look at everything I have been given and say it is not enough, I must also be given respect on top of this.
>>536056484You were given a lot but never a choice>do you want to go to the world where you have to endure billions of kind souls get brutally decimated>or the one where you don't have to endure thatI will never respect someone who put me inside this torture chamber and then has the audacity to threaten me with even more torture if it turns me sour. He will have to send me instantly to hell the moment I die or I will fucking eat his face.
>>536056684Evil rules us because evolution made it a certainty. Now what or who made that evolution a certainty?
>>536056684hell ain't a bad place to be!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNfpkK5Uzqgmissionaries co-opted the word "hel" and told the people it is something bad...atleast according to this saga.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjIgfQFTOKs
>>536057170I certainly mean the Christian hell where you're supposed to burn for eternity. I don't think Yahwe could send me to Hel since it isn't his place. I will listen to the saga.
>>536057348I guess if you wanted some homework you could figure out if spontaneous utopianism is unique to monotheism
>>536043147Jason Jorjani has the answers you seek. Highly recommended. Tones of interviews on yt.
>>536057628Yeah, I like Jorjani. But not his view that the Titans are petty for seeking revenge on the Olympians. I agree with them. These fuckers need to pay. We can focus on our own shit after we set an example.
>>536044216fire also symbolizes transcendancethe flame is rooted in matter, but rises above it. you can see it as a union of the spiritual and the mundane.prometheus literally means forethoughthe also outsmarted zeus and convinced him to eat the least desirable parts of the animals, the fat and bones, which oddly enough are the same ones that God wants in the bible.and gwyn is clearly the demiurge, and his kin the archons. this is in every video game and movie.>>536044976in some occult circles, technology represents the manifestation of the spiritual. in star wars, luke gets a robotic hand, making him part spirt and part man, like jesus. the hero usually gets some sort of mechanical device which gives him power. like elysium, where the hero goes into the heavens to secure eternal life for everyone, but dies in the effort, like jesus. he gets more powerful with the exosuit, which looks a lot like the kabbalistic tree of life. or ash with his mechanical hand in army of darkness. examples are endless.this is what really drives technocracy, spiritually. transcending the human condition and becoming a god in your own right, which is the aim of most occult practice.
>>536058417I agree this is the point of technology and why we want it. My problem is that in this world we are constantly being forcefully controlled and subjected to atrocities, anthropogenic and natural.First step would have to be to get rulers who respect humans instead of the current cabal of misanthropic psychopaths. They follow our world's logic perfectly, ultra-predators.
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>>536043147If you view technology as a good thing utilized for humanity’s benefit/growth, then how do you rationalize this perception with the fact that the more technologically advanced humanity has become, the more miserable, isolated, and purposeless human beings have become? Everyone pushing A.I. is an elite, and datacenters are built at the behest of the tech billionares regardless of protest from the populace, consuming entire county’s worth of electricity & depriving people of access to their own local water sources. The printing press eliminated scribes as professions, lowering the prestige & quality of life for those wanting to work in writing, and debasing language itself by appealing to populaces with lower vocabulary. The spread of gunpowder has made wars bloodier with more casualties, a trend that increased to horrific proportions with machine guns in trench warfare, which has become even more horrific with the very modern drone warfare. If the world is evil, technology is part of its worsening, and it is foolish to look for salvation in a tool that has been abused to usher in such misery.. your mistake is believing that our own will & spirit of rebellion alone may save us, when it is this very spirit of wanting to do everything in our own will that is directly responsible for causing so much evil in the world. If we set aside our own will, and instead desired to do the will of others, the world would be neighborly.
>>536058624Have you defined what technology is
>>536044061Oh good. I'm glad you posted this. I considered reading the thread and now I see I'd be wasting my time. Thanks.
>>536060033Lol
>>536059579But that's an impossible organization problem. It takes one outlier to break the system and then you end up back in hyper-competition. Technology also ended large scale wars between all nuclear armed powers. More of the world will acquire nukes in time and the world borders will be locked in, outside market forces.Technology has ended most disease, both simple hygiene tech and modern medicine.Technology has pushed the survival rate of childhood leukemia to 90%. And modern technology will increase that number even more. Food technology has ensured massive population potential which creates more geniuses and thus more technological progress. It's a tool, tools are usually neutral objects in this world. You don't need everything to be evil in an evil world.>>536060033It was an honest question, maybe some smarter anons have said something you like.
>>536060137So if technology is a good thing that produces goodness then the world itself cannot be evil. You are attesting to the inherent goodness of creation if physical objects can be utilized for such benevolent purposes. We do not live in acid pits full of worms & maggots, there is light that can be withheld. Evil comes from intention, as does goodness, and we have the capacity to choose between the two. You are selectively attributing certain aspects of reality to cognitive bias witnessed in the exact present while intentionally ignoring aspects of the world that refute this assertion; your conclusion of the world’s intention is non-objective. You assert the world was brought into being with evil intent, despite having no way to affirm this from an origin; instead you reach this conclusion of the past by basing it entirely on experiences from the present. You have failed to make a distinction between what ought to be & what is to be in regards to your ontology. Also, you have run into a paradox by attesting that the world was designed with evil intent to reward evil yet selectively exalting technology, a physical creation that utilizes the physicality of the evil world, as good; if the world itself is evil then technology by definition cannot be good. You must choose between the two to reach coherency; either the world was created with good intention & due to free will its inhabitants have chosen evil, spoiling it, and spoiling its technology despite the good that can be done through it still.. or the world was created with evil intent, and its technology is just as wicked.
Because Zeus is more powerful than all the other gods combined and will put you in you place.
>>536060828I said it was neutral. And I'm not referering to just the present but all of time. Basically nothing going on right now is very unique in history outside our technological level.I make a clear distinction between what ought to be and what is.I affirm the existence evil intent with the automatic success of the most powerful predator.You're also arguing with a mental mirage. I never exalted technology randomly to baby it, I provided balance to the post painting it as purely negative. I called it a neutral tool. The rules of the world breed evil. The intent of this place is hard to pinpoint but the execution is clearly evil. There is no good reason for it. Humans become psychopaths through random mutations.Humans go insane from mostly unknown reasons.The most powerful are most of the time the most predatory, they will eat away at other types of leaders until only they remain.Exactly what nature intended.Is an RNG torture chamber with lobster and mashed potatoes evil? What if you added an orchestra or a beautiful piece of art? What if you added a beautiful young couple? There's still some random person being tortured underneath it all for no apparent reason. Natural causes, anthropogenic causes. Our free will is imperfect because our base is an animal. Evolution even generates retarded Pakistani pedophiles with oxytocin mutations that makes them ultra inclined towards brutal sexual sadism against out-group girls.This is the true face of this world, without any human intervention it just makes super predators on a conveyor belt. I'm pointing at the flaws of modern theology. Christianity lived just fine even though God made Satan and thus evil. People still think he's good even when he supposedly has their kids raped.
>>536061435I will shit down his throat.
