why did Russia fail in 2022, to do what the US did in 2003?And Russia attacked a neighbor they share a land border with, US' fight was on the other side of the planetIraq was also more militarized than Ukraine.
>>536072893US in 2003 had a better militaryUkraine had a powerful foreign sponsor, while all of Iraq's neighbors were happy to let the US take out Saddam (and then most of them started funding various insurgents, some of whom eventually won)also war itself has changed, cheap drones make it harder to take and hold territory
>>536072893Iraq was using old Soviet weapons.Russia was using old Soviet weapons.Y'know maybe the problem is old Soviet weapons.Just a feeling.
>>536072893Russia is not the global superpower like the US. Also the US troops who went into Iraq were there because they wanted to and morale was high because they wanted to get revenge for 9 11.The US military also didn't have as much corruption and boomerism then.
>>536073054>it harder to take and hold territoryif one of those is true the other cant be
>>536073070hmmmthe excuse for iraq was that USSR sold them monkey models, but turns out whatever was produced was monkey models?
>>536072893Both times Ukrainians were involved. In Iraq and Ukraine.
>>536072893Because America had literal thousands of aircraft in play in Iraq, and Russia had barely a hundred. /pol/ always takes from this war the wrong lessons. The reason it has become a grind is because Russia failed to achieve air supremacy. If Russia had enough aircraft and trained crews (and non-obsolete Soviet tech) that could have neutralized the air batteries, this war would have gone very fast. As such, because of Russia's 2010 reforms, they didn't have time to rebuild their military and this is how you get what you get. Arguably it would have been worse if they hadn't done the 2010 reforms. As it stands, they achieved 85% of the territory they claimed. Conscript armies are total shit, however, and regardless of drone warfare, if you don't achieve air supremacy you don't win a war fast.
>>536072893Corruption leading to a poor state of military readiness and lack of awareness of that lack of readiness, causing them to bite off more than they could chew.The problem with running an extremely corrupt government at the top end is that your immediate subordinates start to feel entitled to corruption as well, and so do theirs, etc., until everyone's doing it and your whole system is rotten. We're in the early to mid stages of this here in Canada; in Russia it's basically terminal.
>>536073308Soviet weapons are largely shit yes.Exceptions are the rifles because you don't need a bing bing wahoo fiddle stick you need something that simply keeps working no matter what.
>>536072893Russia invaded with 80,000 men which is clearly not enough to conquer a country that size so obviously the operation was a pressure tactic to get Ukraine to capitulate and not an attempt at regime change.
>>536073585Russians themself didn't knew they were going to invade until a few hours before the start and believed it would be just training like their government told to the world dozens of times.In the north many came with parade uniforms and the leaked objectives they've had were: go to Kiew as fast as possible.It was a total failure on all sides, everything was going wrong and now they're paying the price for it.
>>536072893>fail to do what the US did in 2003blow trillion taxdollars out the window, kill million civilians, not find WMDs and create ISIS?
>>536072893Retarded goals. Putin is a complete retard and incompetent former glownigger. He surrounded himself with even more dumb and incompetent people to feel safe for his power. As a result all these bunch of imbeciles failed everything from declaring goals and acceptable range of actions, gathering intel, planning and executing. And regular people, be it army or civilians, paying the price, trying hard to keep Russia afloat despite the continuous efforts of these degenerates.Classic example of Pareto principle. This is what happens what mafia circle takes control and burns everything what comes close with ability to lay up claim on their seats, and does so for 20+ years.Muttmerican elites will do everything to preserve current russian ruling regime.
>>536072893USA had total air superiority and better weapons. Also Iraq is mostly desert. Good luck to hide there.
>>536073760>whatwhen*
>>536073747>trillion taxdollars out the window, kill million civilians, not find WMDsthey are doing fine in that part. wont create ISIS but now they will have actual fucking nazis on their border.frankly i look forward to future russian-ukranian relations shits is really helpful to us balddicks
>>536072893Russians are shit at war.
>>536073585This is a common myth, in reality Russia invaded Ukraine with a large potion of its military strength - >Generally speaking, in August 2021, the Russian Armed Forces had 168 battalion tactical groups (BTGs). These are the ‘permanent readiness’ forces that were more trained and equipped for combat operations than any other. Considering that the number of personnel in each BTG was 800 to 1,000, the total number of Russian ‘permanent readiness’ troops fell in the range of 134,500 to 168,000 on the eve of the war. At the same time, it is worth remembering that the total invasion force initially numbered 190,000 men, which, alongside BTGs, also included battlefield-ready National Guard units, with ‘Kadyrov’s men’ among them, and the units recruited in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. At the same time, it is still difficult to provide an estimate of the reserves that Russia had at that time, but it is unlikely to exceed an additional 100,000 men for the armed forces. Considering that these reserves were used by the end of the fifth month of the war, the US military believe that Moscow had already engaged 85% of the total available army, one way or another.
>>536072893>why did Russia fail in 2022, to do what the US did in 2003?Poor planning and unwillingness to acknowledge their failures. While everyone with a brain could immediately tell that the Russian plans had failed days into the invasion the Russian high command and political elite got high on their own supply and did basically nothing to address their failures until the front broke.
>>536073501>a bing bing wahoo fiddle stickit's nice to see people speaking British
>>536072893Also they puled out under Kiev in the first year thinking they will get a agrement. They literally gave them time to arm and prepare for the war.
>>536072893Ask yourself why did the Soviet Union just evaporate? Corruption hollows out any pretence of a coherent Russian army.
>>536074005doubt
>>536074005They pulled out from Kyiv because the frontline was about to collapse (which it later did anyways, hence the mobilization)
>>536074005They pulled out because the front was already stretched thin. They could not have held onto the north even if they tried.
>>536074005No. They took such massive losses that they ran away.
>>536074095>>536074103They could have mobilized and held the Kiev front but they didn't, a strategic mistake.
>>536074190They invaded pretty much with their entire army the only people they could mobilize were criminals from jail which they did half a year in the war.
>>536073329Ukrainians are just russians. Everyone knows this
>>536074271You do know they have around 2 000 000 reservist who did military servise in Russia right.
>>5360743173 day SMO status?
>>536072893It was Ukraine who destroyed that plane.
>>536074190They tried a US in Iraq style thunder run to the capital, without air superiority and lost a whole bunch of their best guysOthers in this thread have given good answers, but I would add that they waited too long to act after the seizure of Crimea River/Donbabwe/Luganda, which allowed Ukraine to reform into a more western style military, acquire western weapons and training, and a fairly low intensity conflict where Ukrainians could gain experience fighting Russians (who weren’t Russians but also Russia admitted that they were Russians)
>>536074190Russia mobilized only because there was no other choice - The Donetsk and Luhansk republics ran out of men to mobilize, and there weren't enough volunteers to hold the line. They knew that the mobilization would be a PR disaster and would to a mass exodus of men from the Russian federation, which it did.
>>536074317dont know, the amount filmed faggotry from on side made me reconsider that fact
>>536074370Under their law reservists can't be pushed in foreign invasions. When Putin made those 4 oblasts officially part of Russia in their constitution then those reservists could be used in those areas.Before that it were their terrorist group Wagner who did most of the fighting.The war is not even over and revisionist nonsense is already spreading lmao
>>536073223I think he means digging in after an offensive is more difficult due to constant harassment by drones and intel provided by them shows every position taken. Likewise, established defences are easier to defend with support from drones.
>>536072893because CIA made sure they had the wrong intel about the intentions of local population, they went in expecting no resistance and now they are stuck then russia did the same to US when it comes to iran
>>536074428Ask any pidor what consumer products they were all using prior to Crimea.....Absolutely everything came from Europe and their entire economy highly dependent on Europe.Putin used those 10 years to make russia proof against western sanctions which was a great success.If those 30000+ sanctions happened in 2014 then Russia would have collapsed within weeks.
>>536073747>destabalize your enemies>they winlloll
>>536074508It's not revisionism, it's mistakes in waging war, don't start a war if you don't think you can win it. Strelkov was arrested precisely because of such criticisms that the generals are incompetent and that Putin is naive and listens to the generals who promise him but don't deliver.
>>536074370>>536074508Yeah they’ve been mainly relying on Wagner, prisoners and contract soldiers, there’s hundreds of pictures of war memorials from cities and towns showing like 15 men dead from Afghan wars, 10 dead from Chechnya then hundreds dead from UkraineLiterally the same size as my old home towns war memorial from WW1
>>536072893>>536073054US lost in Iraq, just like you lost your Hindu wives to Muslim cocks.
>>536074636>it’s the Boyars that are incompetent, they’ve misled the poor Tsar!The memes are real with you guys
>>536074667You won the invasion then lost the occupation, Russia is still having its head against the wall at the first part
>>536072893Putin though it could reproduce what it did in Crimea in 2014 to the rest of the country.Turns out he couldn't.
>>536074684No, all together they are. This war will end in masive russian mobilisation and the destruction of Kiev, why, because there is not other way to win it for the russians.
>>536074728Russia only took 10 years in AfghanistanUS took 20.
>>536074814Russia lost ten times more men and only left because the union was falling down around them>>536074782You’ve already stopped mass assaults due to casualties from drones, explain how a new mass assault would work?
>>536074814That's a weird flex.Most people wouldn't be proud to lose 7 times more soldiers in half the time but I guess the more Russian dies the better.
>>536074909Russia at least had a graceful exist, yes they did leave a few soviet toys, but ironic the Taliban uses those same toys to kick USA's ass for a good 20 years because Jewmutts we're too scared to go inside a cave. Soviets only lost because of your stinger missiles which proved to be super effective, ALSO fitting the Taliban used them on your asses too. But still doesn't change the fact the US left behind SHIT TONS of their hardware. They didn't pack up nothing. They got on the first planes out of Kabul. Remember those pics? Say what you will about how the Soivets did, but if you think they did worse then the US then you are coping in Universal levels.
>>536074934>ProudUS hasn't won a war of conflict since WW2, how can you be proud of that?
>>536074909The concentration of huge forces in the north of Kiev, an attack from Belarus with huge artillery, tens of thousands of drones, massive use of aviation, there is also the option to sink Kiev, there is a huge water reservoir in the north, if half of it is destroyed, which goes under water.Of course, Russia will have to suffer huge losses.
>>536072893F
>>536074934By the way Mister "CLOSED BORDERS" How did a Muslim sink in and manage to kill three of your people?
>>536075011>Russia at least had a graceful existI’ve studied history and I would not say that there existence has ever been gracefulSo your argument is basically that American equipment is worth more then Russian lives?
>>536075086>I’ve studied historyAnd yet you still support the USA? Obviously a Jew was your teacher.
>>536075038Do you have enough peewee 50’s and horses for such an assault?
>>536072893US could field more planes. That's it.
>>536075086My argument is Ukrainian women are made for Black Cock. Case in Point this holol.
>>536075110No my teacher was not Marx
>>536075147>MarxMore like Steinberg the Republican.
>>536075145>American who hates America makes a quintessentially American post instead of engaging the argument
>>536072893>what the US did in 2003lose everything 10 years later?
>>536075178Keep blindly throwing shit and it might stick eventually, might also match your skin colour
>>536075187>Holol crying over the truth
>>536075119The Russians need to learn one very important thing from the Americans, preparation and mapping of enemy positions.And then a massive attack.
>>536075038It's worth pointing out that even Strelkov now claims that the window for a successful mobilization and massive offensive has closed and the war is no longer winnable.
>>536075217>skin colorI will not be preached to about skin color by a Pajeet of all people.
>>536075254Soo... how many images of black men do you have saved on your computer?
>>536075315Not as many shirtless muscular Trumps pick you have, Sunjay. Seriously what is it with Hindus and gay musclemen?
>>536072893OK!Let's see if You Understand at least Basic Facts about so called Ukraine!!!Do You Understand that Capital City of Ukraine is LVIV?
>>536075254>>536075283>I’m simultaneously a Ukrainian and an Indian while having an Aus flagDid you know that ashkenazi have higher rates of schizophrenia, I’m sure you can see that in your relatives
Ukriane was already battle hardened, built up substantial fortifications and was heavily trained by British forces after 2014. Don't listen to America saying it was american aid. Ukraine already blunted Russia's blitzkrieg attempt before foreign aid arrived
>>536075363That was quite a Brown Coded Response.
>>536075258Americans have air superiority and vehicle for manoeuvre warfareAre you gonna call a truce so that can raise more horses before this Steiner tier assault?
>>536072893The battle of Hostomel. They were very close. But old USSR Iglas did their job and soviet artillery finished the airport. If they landed all those VDV divisions that close to the capital that fast they could have concievably stood a chance at a decapitation strike.
>>536075390I learned it from you
>>536072893USA failed against Iran which was less militarized than Iraq in 2003
>>536075351Did you just confuse me for a migger? I'm almost insulted
>>536072893Different goalsUSA wanted to destroy Iraqi army, while Russia wanted to Ukrainian army to change sides.It was pointed numerous times that at the beginning russia didn't hit barracks and concentration of Ukrainian forces, for whatever reasons
>>536075477>for whatever reasonsThey didn't hit them because they either missed or the Ukrainian soldiers weren't there lol
>>536075435Today drones do much of monitoring and Ukrainians are not going to waste their AA on that, a good preparation is half of job done.
>>536075447>If they landed all those VDV divisionsimage loss rate as all those Il-76 filled with troops gets shreded in the sky
>>536075373The USA has been shipping advanced weapons systems into ukraine since Obama started the war in 2014.Retard faggot
>>536075447>the old USSRYou mean the ukrainians?No wonder you retards are losing
>>536075538Okay, and will those drones transport this secret Russian second army to the battlefield, supply them with food and ammunition (something russia already struggles with) while preventing Ukrainian drones from wrecking the same supply lines they already wrecked in the 2022 push?How will this massive concentration avoid being spotted by satellites?
>>536075477>It was pointed numerous times that at the beginning russia didn't hit barracks and concentration of Ukrainian forcesthey tried, Ukraine dispersed majority of troops from barracks days prior, resulting in Russia wasting hundred of missiles on empty buildings
>>536075373>built up substantial fortifications and was heavily trained by British forces after 2014All that shit was southeast near Donetsk. Northern front was old soviet crap, conscripts and office workers(militairy) with a few special forces. Good thing russians were retards and among the first wave of land reinforement was rosgvardia on the irpin axis. That was a hoot, watching russian militarised police trained to disperce civilian protest try and force the irpin river bridge with dug in ukrainian machingun emplacements.
>>536075282No he didnt faggot shillHe is rotting in prison. He hasnt said shit in years.You shills really love that moron
>>536075662This is literally the same propaganda used for the last 5 years.So anyday now?
>>536075682>Puccian whole army approaches Sumy>loses 3 tanks at first contact>reports about huge concentration of Ukraine troops and decides to just push around instead of trying to fight for city>turns out it was some 70 guys with Javelins who spooked whole army
>>536075662Of course they will notice the massive buildup of forces, but drones alone cannot destroy such a force, they will be annoying, yes, but these are things that have to happen.
>>536075561That was part of my point. They could have done a surprise buttsex before nationwide AA network had fully gone war mode. The timing of all the operations was off by fucking days, lel. But if the ILs were flying in minutes after the heloes and the heloes were more numerous and didn't fail as much then a proper lightning decapitation strike attempt could be possible.
>>536075590No they weren't lol. They sent at most 500 javelins you retarded faggot. Always a dirty mutt trying to claim others victories
>>536075682Am sure the 1.5 million dead ukrainian faggots appreciate your propagandaUkraine lost every battleFront lines are collapsing in Sumy and your nazi larpers have been retreating for weeks.Hence the increased shill budget
>>536073223You are totally retarded
>>536075788that's how Soviet Union lost 1 million men at the start of operation Barbarosa>place all troops at the front, prepare no defenses>expect to invade Germany while they are tied in Britain >most of forward deployed airforce gets destroyed>no rearguard or fortification means Germans just surround Soviet troops within hours
>>536075820You are a retard shillThey dont "give" them weapons though.They give them cash and then they bought the arms. Was a little game king nigger and the media played
>>536075788They destroyed the first one, and the second one, and the third one etcWhat’s different about about this one except more men on foot with no food?
>>536075887They won Barbarossa though
>>536075785>Puccian whole army approaches SumyGeograficly that made zero fucking sence, as anything Russia had going in on the right bank of the Dnieper river. Based retards tried storming Chernihiv and Sumy which was fucking lol, K.
>>536075373Another Britfag trying to claim victories of the worldTell us how Chirchill won WW2 by telling men not to stop fighting
Russians have easily the worst military history in Europe. Their spectacular failure in Ukraine is not a surprise to anyone who studied it.
>>536075929yeah but opening move cost them most of their trained army. The same move that retard is telling Russia to do
>>536075896Lmao USA only supplied 3 billion before 2022. Its a paltry amount
>>536076000Not at all I'm saying Ukraine won against Russia blitzkrieg attempts on their own and through good preparation. Substantial foreign aid was never going to arrive unless Ukraine defeated Russia around kiev
>>536076014>3 billionThat we know of. We have no idea how much USAID $ was spent in ukraine.Funny how you know they were buying lethal weapons systems the whole time...
>>536076065Ukraine was trained and funded by NATO since 2014
>>536076085You're a nigger you think because they're buying weapons it's somehow USA giving it to them lmao. They probably bought it with their own money then dumbass. Ockham's razor faggot
>>536076143A paltry amount in military assistance before the war on the whole and the west were pessimistic about Ukraine chances until Ukraine defeated russias blitzkrieg attempts. And it wasn't the whole of NATO at all. It was loan grants not purely economic aid . Russia just can't into war
>>536076148I know it faggot. Obama opened up the NATO store for them and gave them the cash to buy weapons with. Then pretended he didnt "give" them weapons. Thats why they were able to impeach Trump when he delayed missile shipments, the sales were allowed by the 2014 act approved by congress.
>>536075920One million men diference, just for Kiev.
>>536072893Russia is just not very good at war.
>>536076359Which act? I'll check it out
>>536076254A dozen NATO members were giving cash and arms to Russia faggot.Zelensky and Pororshenko was selling people land controlled by Russia. Thats the big scam going on.
>>536076447This is just the shit we know about. All kinds of cash flowed through ukraine then got laundered back to politicians>https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/lethal-weapons-to-ukraine-a-primer/>In a rare show of bipartisanship in 2014, the US Congress passed the Ukraine Freedom Support Act, which appropriated $350 million in security assistance, including anti-tank and anti-armor weapons, to the government of Ukraine to defend its territorial integrity. Despite strong congressional backing, President Barack Obama decided not to authorize the US government sale or financing of lethal weapons to Ukraine. However, this policy did not prevent the private export of US-made lethal weapons to Ukraine.>During the Obama administration, direct commercial sales of small shipments of lethal arms to Ukraine were reviewed, approved, and licensed on a case-by-case basis by the Department of State in consultation with the Department of Defense. The US government authorized nearly $27 million of commercial defense articles and services to Ukraine in 2016 and about $68 million in 2015, portions of which are classified as lethal weaponry.
>>536072893Russia has over 20% of Ukraine's territory.
>>536076254>Russia just can't into warThey are holding 20% of Ukraine with minimal civilian casualties.If you think "can into war" means "just carpet bomb civilians" then OK but that's not a skill issue.>>536076437Strait status ?
>We will witness another 1milly dead vatnigs+ by the end of this warJust two more weeks r*ssian bro's; putin will raise his eyebrows and the whole world will know
>>536076721You realise the strait being closed is beneficial to America right?
>>536072893> Why is it harder to beat a white nation backed by the entire western world than a 4th world FAKE shithole created out of thin air by the brits?I DON'T KNOW, WHO COULD GUESS. BY THE WAY, STRAIT STATUS?
>>536076956Can you explain to audience how one can become so delusional?Is it because You are from Australia and due distance from real world ? Or you was born with this defect to grasp basic reality around you?
>>536072893> why did Russia fail in 2022, to do what the US did in 2003?Losing? Killing millions of civilians? Making Iraq a Iran puppet state?Btw why can’t USA in 2026 defeat Iran?
>>536077040I cant wait till the masses freak out when they find out how much money big oil made off the Iran conflict.Its going to be hundreds of billions in net profit.
>>536075827>am sureJeet syntax
>>536077040Kek the cope
>>536077617Bot
>>536078036Beep boop, shill nigger. Ready to prove you're a burger yet?
At least Russia was bombing its neighbour, Ukraine were bombing their own.
>>536078086Standard nafo troon scripted response #4 from the flowchart
>>536072893Russia is very corrupt society. We all saw the evidence at beginning of the invasion: tanks with fake armor, soldiers with fake body armor, trucks with fake wheels that disintegratedThis is result of officers embezzling military funds.When you see things like this you understand why Russians need someone like Stalin in charge to get anything done. Only threat of getting shot can motivate Russians to do things properly.
>>536072893>retarded nigger thinks the Iraqi military even remotely equivalent to the Ukrainian military>retarded nigger also forgets that the US spends ~ 5x more on it's military than Russia>retarded nigger also forgets that Ukraine has nearly the entirety of NATO giving it weapons, intelligence, anti-air systems, drones, etc.
>>536075011>Russia had a graceful exitRussia killed everything that moved on their way out. Not saying I’m not glad they did but that’s not really a graceful exit.
>he still believe the original objective was ukrainian clayLol lmao, the actual objective was the destruction of (((US))) owned gain-of-function labs hidden all over Ukraine (with one in peculiar hidden within the Chernobyl exclusion zone), which the USA scrubbed all mention of ownerships from their personal database within hours of the war starting, only for Nuland to be forced to make a public statement about how they're just totally normal research labs about wild pigs and they totally didnt just try to scrub all personal links to the establishments, because anons found archived versions that still referenced these labs as us owned and managed.The destruction of these labs were the real objective, everything else is just a sidedish born from how Russia couldnt pull out, and its why no other western power dare genuinely join the fight because a lot of heads will fall if the Russians decide to publish what they found.
>>536072893Russia never intended to conquer Ukraine, they intended to do exactly what they have done. Had they intended a full fledged invasion of Ukraine they would have used their fucking army and air force and not a mercenary brigade backed up by militia fighters from the border provinces that were being attacked by the US backed Ukrainian neo nazis.
>>536078652>This abruptly changed the past week when US Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard said that her department had identified more than 120 US-funded biological laboratories in 30 countries, with over a third of them located in Ukraine. The agency is now working to “identify where these labs are, what pathogens they contain, and what ‘research’ is being conducted to end dangerous gain-of-function research that threatens the health and wellbeing of the American people and the world,” according to Gabbard.
>>5360791711 week later she is fired
>>536072893Muttmeristan lost to a bunch of sandniggersRussia fighting the whole NAFO(still winning)
