Uncomfortable truth time.
>>536090891Abe Lincoln was a terrorist.
As with the current war in Ukraine, both sides had law and justice on their side and so the matter can only be settled by force.
>>536090891Were any southern leaders ever charged with treason?
>>536091132Southern jews still mad Lincoln took their bucks away
>>536091199jews arent americanbeing a barbarian is a violation of the first amendment
>>536091132objective>>536091199subjective
>>536090891Law has no meaning without police to enforce it. There is only justice then, God’s law. The one you can’t debate or escape. The one that is beyond precedent, principle, and philosophy. God’s law has no concept if an is-ought gap. It just is. And it doesn’t give a fuck about you. >please mr alien, dont eat me, i’m an ethically consistent vegan!>no, you are tasty.
>>536091188lol what justification did Russia have?
>>536091349Jews owned a majority of slaves in the south. Jews not Whites
>>536091395You gave them bussy
>>536091350thats antithetical to the spirit of the constitution, you might as well be calling for convention
>>536091395Who gives a fuck? What were you ever going to do about it? Condemn them and call them dishonorable hypocrites per your carefully argued for moral framework? And then what?
>>536091193Yes, they were charged, but ultimately the charges were dropped because it was feared that the jury would side with the defense that secession isn't treason.
>>536091199Shut up eglinoid
>>536091471I don’t give a shit. The constitution’s true spirit is that people who agree with it work together and fight for it. If you don’t do that, it’s toilet paper. There is no "god of logic, reason, and dignity" hovering out in space waiting to dole out judgement and provenance.
>>536091132If he hadn't been shot he would have gotten rid of niggers. He wasn't about letting them sleep at The White House.
>>536090891Northerners knew that a protectionist tariff would ruin the South economically. On 27 September 1860, with a 47% Tariff awaiting a vote, Republican Leader Thaddeus Stevens, sponsor of the Morrill Tariff, said:"The Tariff would impoverish the southern and western states, but that was essential for advancing national greatness and the prosperity of industrial workers.”Northerners applauded while Southerners called for nullification and Secession.
>>536091439they are obsessed with gay stuff that is for sure
>>536091543i already understand your position faggot, i asked you if youre calling for convention
>>536091478I was asking the britbong for lawfull justificationleave your uneducated 56% white ass out of it pedro
>>536091607shenanaginsliberia was merely a front to threaten uncompliant cannon fodder of the black variety
>>536090891Suppose Ft. Sumter hadn't been attacked by Confederate forces. Instead the Confederacy just >ignored Federal law and courts>didn't participate in Federal elections>passively resisted Federal officials and removed them from the protection of their laws>failed to collect Federal taxesWould Lincoln have still sent in armies to enforce Federal supremacy?
>>536091691derailing nigger
>>536091132Proto Communist Dictator.
>>536091630I implicitly and explicitly reject the demonic practice of applying simple given names for natural behaviors that should be automatic.What you idiots already did by creating the entities "capitalism" and "communism" when they were once not distinct spirits by any measure destroyed the fucking world. You love to consider what is pointless to mind because it signals intellect in the breeding and power markets without the relatively obscene difficulty of accomplishing something pragmatic. You call this intellectualism, I call it hubris and vanity.
>>536091395Violation of the Minsk I and Minsk II they fucking signed the goddamned things. Specifically the part about NOT massing troop on the borders of the breakaway regions. Zelenski did exactly that. Massed those western paid for mercenaries right on the border. Giving Putin the LEGAL right to defend those people from their own fucking government.
>>536091691Ft. Sumter was South Carolina property. South Carolina had left the Union.Lincoln promised he would remove the garrison, never did. In fact he reinforced it.Nobody died at Sumter.The first causalities in the war of northern aggression was Maryland protesters that Union Soldiers gleefully gun down.
>>536090891history is about to repeat in USA
Southerners weren’t revolutionaries, pirates, or terrorists. They didn’t use violence to overthrow the US government but they used peaceful, legal constitutional procedures to withdraw from the Union. Believing in self-determination, they had every right to do so. The hostility and violence came from the North.
>>536091800make your own thread faggot, you could have just answered no
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>>536091629Well your love of jews has you thinking about Russians being gay.
>>536091822>Minsk II>the treaty the Russia immediately broke within days of signingKek
>>536090891Confederates were fighting for the right of Jewish plantation owners to have gentile slaves
>>536091675Please tell me what the fuck you would do in the presence or absence of lawful justification, in any scenario. WHO ENFORCES IT? Does the god of ethical consistency and honorable behavior exist? NO. So why do YOU care? What are YOU going to do?Write a strongly worded letter?
>UM BUT IT WAS LEGAL?!?!?!?!?!?!Hubris of lawyers. Law is subordinate to violence.
>>536091132Lincoln considered himself Jewish, stating so on a meeting with rabbis, who supported his idea by noting his jew-like facial feetures, as a German newspaper of the time reported.However, it appears that Lincoln's immigrant forefathers were plain anglos. Black hair and eyes and large, straight noses are quite common on the British isles.
>>536091607This claim has zero historical proof, it is a recent claim that has been propagated to attack Southerners. In truth Abe Lincoln abandoned any such things in 1862 when he realized he would need black bodies for his war engine.
>>536091350Law is what people enforce, legislation is what police enforce if a road doesnt have a posted speed limit and ALL the locals do 60 on it, then by law its 60, no one can take you to court and say you were speeding and breaking the lawif its legislated to be 45 and they put up speed limit signs, then police enforce 45 another way of thinking about it, imagine a bunch of people living in the woods each going about their own lives day to day, over time paths start to form, we call these paths laws. block them and the people who use it day to day will confront youeventually enough agree to pool together money and pay to have them paved and maintained, we can call that legislation. start destroying the pavement and the people paid to maintain it will confront you people enforce laws, police enforce legislation now it doesnt always work out this way, 40 million spics not being deported is proof police do not enforce all legislation, is proof our military does not defend our border, they seem to pick and choose
>>536091984sauce
>>536091822the treaty they signed because Russia attacked them first...what was the justification for invasion of crimea and attempted/failed invasion of donetsk and luhansk in 2013 then
>>536091962Well you could be like Russia and say Minsk I and II no longer exist in 2022 and you aren't bound by it, and invade Ukraine, then later claim you invaded Ukraine because they violated Minsk I and II after the date you said it no longer existed. It's just how the Slavic brain works. They are just very pale niggers.
>>536091982anti white authoritarian detected
>>536090891is it worth diving down into the conderate states era of study? tldr on the facts? like did southern states actually secede, how long did it last, were they forced to reunify with the rest of the US? sounds interesting, and yes i have no interest in sovereign citizen bs.
>>536091832one person died in ft sumter, a yankee shot and killed another yankee in friendly fire situation
>>536091893nah pretty sure me thinking that has to do with them saying male rape isn't gay as long as it is punishment in the military/prison
>>536092066There is nothing whiter than paying lip service to law and acting for what you naturally believe is justice, and thenceforth allowing the consequences to be what you deserve. I propose: Russia and Ukraine are each getting what they naturally deserve. It’s like watching fruit fall from a tree. >now i’m surrounded by rotting fruit and hungry animals. this is so unfair. dont we have rights? isnt this illegal?>-fruit tree
>>536090891ah so youre just admitting they were a foreign nation and lost to The United States of America? lmao okay losers.>NOOOOOO Y-Y-YOU DONT UNDERSTAND!!! WE NEEDED TO KEEP IMPORTING NIGGERSLAVES AND HOUSING AND FEEDING NIGGERSLAVES BECAUSE.... WE JUST DID OKAY? WE LOVE OUR JEWISH SLAVEOWNERS
>>536091677Didn't need blacks for cannon fodder. Lincoln was impressing and drafting the Irish right off the fucking boat. There were draft riots in NYC. Why do you suppose that isn't taught in high school? The precedent of a president using brand new immigrants just off the boat to shoot Americans on their own fucking land? I wonder...
>>536091962maybe go to your local community college and ask for some basic language coursesor maybe you can't follow along in a convo?the britbong said there was oneI am simply asking what the justification was
>>53609089110th Amendment to the United States constitution. >The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.The Constitution has no secession rules or clauses within it. Thus it is 100% legal for the states or the people to decide whether they stay or leave. Lincoln violated the Constitution with his Civil War. A war that was started by the northern industrialists passing laws to cheaply pricefix southern cotton and prevent it's competitive sale to Europe with embargoes. Slavery was only outlawed by Lincoln and his federal government in southern states that seceded. Northern states were allowed to keep their slaves until 2 years after the civil war was over when the last northern state outlawed slavery under it's 10th Amendment rights.
>>536090891Absolutely true. The only reason we ever needed to unite was to fight the British. After 1783 we should have all gone our seperate ways. There is absolutely no reason for us to ever hang out together or even talk to each other unless we are collectively attacked by hostile aggressors from Canada and Mexico. I will have the very idea of a Union thrown in the trash bin of history.
>>536092062Some pro-Jewish webpage I stumbled over years ago. If you don't trust me, why would you trust my handpicked references? Fraud is common today. It should bedeasy to find on Google with a combination of search terms.
>>536092096The question of the legality of succession became a non-question because if the south legally succeeded and then the south and annexed and readmitted to the Union then most southern whites wouldn't have been natural born citizens until the 20th century, so the south at the time accepted the narrative that it wasn't legal, as while this hurt their feelings, the legal reality of them not being Americans but being annexed subject people would have been worse, as it would have put them below the freed slaves on the ladder and made President Johnson illegitimate.
>>536092230There is no need for you to mind a legal justification if you will never act on it either way. It’s an UNNATURAL social technology that you lack the infrastructure to operate. This is, in fact, the case for all international law. Man is unable to conquer the natural order, the primacy of passion and violence over logic, and the supreme truth of the arbitrary and everchanging in this sphere and is thus subordinate to it rather than his neat and orderly geometry gods.
>>536092239Nah son that ain't how it works. If you secede you are making yourself an outlaw and that means any and all means are fair to press upon you up to and including your death. Form a traitorous nation based on cowardice and stupidity, the government will still correctly crush and destroy you because at that point you have chosen to no longer be protected by the laws you are claiming to uphold.Should've been a scourging instead of reconstruction, that mistake won't be made twice.
>>536091961Corwin Amendment says otherwise. Southerners were fighting because Northerners (and 40% foreigners including 'freed' blacks that made up the Union Army) were invading their homes.
>>536091132The first American Dictator.
>>536091946Not one fucking shred of proof. I guess you think I am as impressed with your opinion as YOU seem to be.
>>536092405yawndon't careHe said there was one I wanted to hear what he tough it wasrest is irrelevantcope and seethe little non-whitey
>>536092452Which is why the south decided that succession was illegal. If succession was legal and the south was annexed, which was the view of many of the union in 1865, then title to all southern land and property was forfeited, and the land could be redistributed. Which is why it was decided that succession was actually illegal, as that benefited the south...
>>536090891>Debating the legality of losing a warThis is why the confederacy will never rise again. You can't argue your way out of being conquered.
>>536092511Why do you want to know something useless? Just pick the side you think is statistically most likely to win (it’s china btw).
>>536090891> Uncomfortable truthIt's about time to acknowledge Crimea's secession from Ukraine and their following accession to the Russian Federation.
>>536092046Lincoln met with several prominent black freemen at the White House and proposed a return to Africa for newly freed slaves. He wanted the freemen to accompany the ex-slaves and spend a ten year period teaching them the basics of living independently.There were a number of influential whites who supported the return to Africa movement; they were concerned about the social and economic strains of trying to integrate freedmen into the population. Many felt, including Lincoln, that the history of slavery would make it impossible for blacks and whites to live together productively, and certainly not as equals.Lincoln was a lifelong opponent of slavery, but like the majority of abolitionists, he did not support integration and, in fact, did not believe it possible.Lincoln didn't get any takers from among the black freemen, nor were later "back to Africa" movements successful.
>>536092474and the poster before that gave no proof that Ukraine violated itdoesn't matter anyway since minsk agreements were signed after Russia attacked them first in 2013
>>536092565useless to youhypotheticals are a high IQ game reserved for aryans I guess
>>536091769Compare to Trump and you may understand why the latter is to be considered a saint!
>>536092064I read an explanation from a French General who worked at the United Nations. I am CHOOSING to believe him over you.
>>536092752Explanation about what exactly?Ukraine gets attacked by Russia in 2013Minsk agreement is signed aftertherefore a violation of minsk agreement can't justify the first invasionor you could share the generals words with the whole class
>>5360926558 posts by a jew obsessed with Russian cock in a thread about america
>>536091188and 50,000 illegal immigrants promised citizenship if they fight for the north. meat grinder wasn't always a russian ideal, used to be a northern US ideal too in the mid 1800snorth vs south was easily won by the south until the never ending stream of immigrants that help ruin the USA today
>>536093008you were the first one to mention the word "bussy" buddyI have also not used the word "cock"seems like you might like Russians because you share love for same gay rape I suppose
>>536092474The need for Ukraine to lose/be bad in general is the most fascinating tenant of miggerism. Is it because the Trump impeachment? Is it because Israel behaves similarly to Russia, or something about the balance of power necessary for ZOG? It's just really curious as it is a core belief that they don't even justify.
>>536093008TbfIf the southern states secession was illegal in the USA, then Ukrainian secession from Russia would also be illegal. It's the same damn thing. Jews jewing jewishly on both sides and only white people are dying.
You lost, Confederanny.
>>536093525>If the southern states secession was illegal in the USA, then Ukrainian secession from Russia would also be illegal.No. Russia was never a legitimate or fair ruler of the USSR, eastern europe was simply forced to endure the USSR because russia had already rolled in with military force. No one in those countries actually wanted to have anything to do with russia, same as today as it's a horrible shithole filled with subhumans.
>>536093160Faggot you bringing up Russia in a thread about america is all I need to know you are jew obsessed with cock. All you faggots are emotional like that
>>536093842I wasn't the one who brought it upthat was the brittish dudebut i understand conversations are hard for brown people so you are forgiven
Yankees will look you dead in the eyes and tell you that these men fought and died because they just REALLY loved slavery.
>>536093525The reason the south needed it to be illegal was so they could keep their land. Radical republicans wanted to redistribute the land after the war, and so the argument from the south and the banking interests was that the succession was illegal so all the loans and deeds to land were still enforceable.
>>536093721How straight is your family tree? Extension ladder i bet
>>536093525Russia recognized Ukraine as its own independent country fair and square and the only reason Ukraine gave up its nuclear deterrent is the USA promised to intervene should Russia try to invade. Russia claim to Ukraine is so week, Putin literally gave Tucker Carlson a history lesson about some irrelevant shit that happened during the middle ages in order to try and prove his point. That's like Germany trying to lay claim to southern Denmark by bringing up the Treaty of Verdun from 843
>>536093721>>536093984Russia isn't the USSR. If Russia was the USSR then Russia would have to admit it forfeited its claims to Crimea. So, for Russia to claim Crimea it has to not be the USSR...
>>536092648Congress gave him a repatriation budget in 1862. He spent roughly 5% of it on Île-à-Vache and then abandoned the repatriation efforts.The Lincoln administration's colonization policy through January 1863 has been thoroughly documented in the scholarly literature. Yet, as Oates contends, Lincoln had "pretty much written colonization off as unworkable" by the time that the small-scale Haitian colonization project on Isle a Vache concluded in failure the next year. Instead he hoped to "prepare Southern blacks for life in a free society."
>>536093914Oh the jew doubles down
>>536094384OG poster >>536091188aaaaaaan you got buck broken
>>536093942All the US soldiers who have fought and died for ZOG and the Epstein-Class over the last decades did not think they were doing that either, yet they were.
>>536090891Sounds like pinkertons, jews, and the irish have something to do with this. So they bring in immigrants and send the natives to die
>>536093155Patrick O'Neal? STRAIGHT TO THE FRONT LADDY.Union command filling their ranks with the failed commie revolutionaries of 1848 over in Germany.
They would've rejoined later anyways. Lincoln was just butthurt that it would make him look bad and whoever was pres when they came back look good.
>>536094600Most if the CSA cabinet was Jewish, and it was backed by all major international banks...
>>53609222840% of the Union Army was made up of foreigners; yes.
>>536096165all I can find is 25%and it includes germans and irish
>>536090891Then why did the confederacy chimpout over West Virginia?
>>536090891Judah P. Benjamin
>>536091412Source?
>>536093914>flag>calling anyone brown
>>536097046Czech Republic is over 95% white Pedrohow much of US is again?
>>536094798He needed that tariff money. To prop up Northern industries.Couldn't lose the 4th largest economy in the world.
>>53609712641%
>>53610076441?!?!I tough it was 56?the fuck happened
>lol
>>536091832>Ft. Sumter was South Carolina property. No it wasn’t, the state ceded the land to the federal government in 1836.
Let them have this, their ancestors are in mass graves under a Popeyes
>>536091763Cry about it some more, contrarian bait posting faggot.
>>536091832>Ft. Sumter was South Carolina property. South Carolina had left the Union.>Lincoln promised he would remove the garrison, never did. In fact he reinforced it.I'm not saying South Carolina lacked a moral or legal pretext to attack the fort. I'm asking how things might have proceeded if they decided not to attack, for pragmatic reasons. >Nobody died at Sumter.Federal troops were still fired upon. That gave Lincoln an excuse to launch a large scale military response.
>>536091607Lol, no he would t have..
>>536092452>If you secede you are making yourself an outlaw and that means any and all means are fair to press upon you up to and including your death.Why are other countries able to resolve secession questions with a vote instead of unrestrained violence?
>>536102412>Why are other countries able to resolve secession questions with a vote instead of unrestrained violence?such as?
>>536090891The confederacy was Protestant. Thet fact alone means it had to be destroyed. Fuck Calvinists and baptists.
>>536090891No rational (aka Libertarian) person has ever said it was treason. The civil war was indeed a multi-faceted thing and not everyone fought for the same cause. However, it is a fact that most of the biggest issues are intrinsically tied to slavery. The South (<70 IQ subhumans) was indeed retarded and backwards enough for Jews to run the whole thing though so there isn't any moral argument for the South. The North was equally as authoritarian as the South so that too destroys any credibility they want. It was just statism vs statism with very few people actually caring about abolition and liberty. Anyone that supports either side instead of denouncing blind collectivist nationalism is jewish.
>>536102524South Sudan for one. Or Brexit in some ways.
>>536103655south sudan sesseded after decades of civil warafte there was a peace agreement they had a vote which unsuprisingly resulted in them breaking offEU is not a countrythat is like leaving an agreement like NAFTA
>>536090891Of course it’s not, it’s just more Reddit cringe/current thing. The faggots/trannies did go through Wikipedia and change a bunch of articles.
>>536102177The federal troops in the fort were AWOL
>>536091132True. And probably gay
>>536092064Who's writing your posts? >invasion of CrimeaImperial Russia took Crimea from the Ottomans, settled it, pushed the Tatars into the middle, and Catherine II built her Imperial Navy's Black Sea port in Sevastopol. The referendum to become Russia again was monitored and validated by international observers.You can't "invade" what you own.
The south is full of niggers and should have been allowed to secede to suck off jews and niggers in peace.
>>536107505I guess US belongs to bringbngs nowquit bein retardedsevastopol was leased o Russia in order to disqualify Ukraine from joining NATOyou can't join if you host other countries millitary in your bordersthat is why they signed hte 2012 agrement with Russia"referendum"sure snowniger
>>536102177Not sure how a seceded Confederacy could have tolerated foreign military forts and properties operating in their land.I'm sure if Cuba were a military match to the U.S. military industrial complex, there would be bloodshed over Guantanamo.I think Ft. Sumter was inevitable.
>>536107792Crimea was given to Ukraine from Russia in 1954 by Kruschev, an ethnically Russian Ukrainophile. (Except all Ukrainians are ethnically Russian too). The problem has to do with the US meddling in Ukraine to turn it against Russia. Russia had every right to seize Crimea and Sevastopol, especially after seeing what Ukraine did the east.
>>536090891k. neither was kicking their ass and taking those states back. the Confederacy was short lived for a reason.
>>536090891The southern states seceded for the sole purpose of owning other human beings. Fuck them, fuck bRiOn and fuck you. >>536091132Nah, that was Jefferson "traitor shitbag" Davis and his gang of criminals, all of whom richly deserved to be hanged by piano wire. >>536091623Nice try apologist but the war wasn't fought over tariffs or anything else other than the right to own human beings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinance_of_Secession...and no amount of lying about it will change that simple fact. Or the fact that the Holocaust happened, btw.
>>536102412>Why are other countries able to resolve secession questions with a vote instead of unrestrained violence?Because they weren't seceding due to incredible butthurt at not being able to force the north to enforce runaway slave laws. Half the reason the war happened is only because the north didn't want to have to foot the bill to keep the south's retardedly costly system of slavery going despite it being unprofitable.Slavery wasn't just moral, it was economically completely retarded. For the crime of attempting to rob the north and break up the union the south got off far far too lightly.
>>536090891ok dude, Lincoln killed you because America is stronger together.Lefties hate you because you were racist.
>>536091395I wish you would stay in Reddit
>>536108344Let's actually put things in perspective here. The economy of the south was entirely dependent on cotton, without cotton they produced nothing. Maybe some tobacco but back then cotton was the cash crop. It's like Arabs selling oil. I don't think it really had to do with slavery so much because back then the industrial revolution was well underway, they had the cototn gin already right? So the need for slave labor was declining and only going to go down with industrial machines. I think it really had more to do with the North telling the south what to do and dictating to them their economy. Their entire livelihoods could be wiped out with a vote. But there's more to it because tariffs were put on goods the south imported, forcing them to buy at elevated prices from the industrial North. the North was more industrialized and the south feared 2 things: being completely economically dominated by the North and having no power, plus a slave revolt (like Haiti) and the north was helping abolitionists who often used terror and violence. So you can see where that would go. Not to defend slavery, it's utterly barbaric, inhuman and gave us a bunch of niggers on top of it.
>>536090891Sherman should have killed you all. ALL of you.
>>536092750Wake me up when Trump does any of those things that Lincoln did.
