I thought Russia was supposed to be winning this past year, but apparently Ukraine is winning now?How is a major country with nearly unlimited manpower still struggling to take a fourth world country after 4+ years?
This scuffle is still going on?
>>536109985Manpower is just a number. You need logistics to turn it into real power. Russia wasn't great at that part in the first place, and ukraine has gotten good at the medium range game lately and started pounding supply trucks.
>>536109985The only big advantage Russia had over Ukraine was their airplanes and FAB bombs but that was equalized when Ukraine got their own fighter jets and Wester-made precision bombs. Everything is going to shit for the Russians.
>>536109985As it turns out, institutionalized corruption and rape of your own soldiers lessens the effectiveness of a nations military
>>536109985Oy VEY join the foreign legion or shut the fuck up fat fuck...
>>536109985I hate the ukraine
>>536110038Yeah a million people are dead but neither side has anyone of value, if anything, the world is a better place now.
>>536109985>Ukraine is winning30.05.2026Tanks — 11960 (+2)Armored fighting vehicle — 24643 (+7)Artillery systems — 42930 (+70)MLRS — 1813 (+5)Anti-aircraft warfare — 1398 (+1)Planes — 436Helicopters — 353Ground robotic systems — 1500 (+4)UAV — 318433 (+1781)Cruise missiles — 4693 (+6)Ships (boats) — 33Submarines — 2Cars and cisterns — 100713 (+483)Special equipment — 4231 (+4)Military personnel — aprx. 1362500 people (+1430)
>>536110389>>536110432>shitskins madYou lost
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>>536109985>still struggling to take a fourth world country after 4+ yearsRussia isn't that bad. They might be stuck in the past with a poor manufacturing base but they are least are able to mobilize a good portion of their resources. Sure the us or china could sweep em up within four years but that is not typical. And ukraine is not really a major country.
>>536110496You sound mad retard. Oy VEY ukraine is white!!!!
>>536109985Pokrovsk overhyped everyone into thinking it's all over and Ukraine will never recoverNow Russia is besieging 3 cities while Ukraine is capturing villagesUntil the sieges conclude you can't really claim a victor in these, though at the moment Konstantinivka is going in Russia's favor
>>536109985Ukraine and Russia are both 2nd world countries, Ukraine has had the backing of NATO the entire time, and after the Russians got completelt BTFO trying to shock and awe conquer Kiev then got turned back, switched to a slower more methodical style of war once the initial Ukranian counter attack failed and Russia took Mariupol. Since then they've just slowly kept forward taking the entire Sea of Azov, Bakhmut , Avdivka, and Pokrovsk, then the Ukranians invaded Kursk , overextended, then got pushed back out, and right now Kherson has been at a major stalemate in the war with the Ukranians being able to hold it for a long time. Main reason why Russia hasn't taken all of Ukraine is due to the fact that despite the difference in manpower through population the Russians are only maintaining an army somewhat bigger than Ukraine's, they've been relying on attrition and artillery overmatch and periods of air superiority to slowly take more land while mainly trying to bleed the Ukrainian military. That style of war was fine for most of eastern Ukraine but its stalemated in Kherson which is the largest city they've tried to take since Mariupol and Ukraine is far more experienced nwo vs when Mariupol was first taken.
>>536109985Low motivation, a lot of the Russian troops there are there for contract money.Also Putin can't use conscripts in mass scale outside of Russian borders because that would be do a lot of harm to him politically.I guess Russia will have a win since they probably are going to keep the land they managed to seize, and they also probably doomed Ukraine into being subject to mass immigration.
>>536109985Putin never said he wanted to conquer and occupy all of Ukraine, just hold it ot e a neutral neighbor.They occupy now the most important parts, the industrial East, the Crimea, warm water coasts.The remaining Ukraine with Kyiv is equivalent to North Dakota with St Louis.
>>536110133>only big advantage Russia had over Ukraine was their airplanes and FAB bombsTheir intelligence and artillery were better as well and their strategy was better than the Ukranian inconsistent but aggressive counter offensive tactics that they kept doing while the Russians employed layered defense in depth tactics as it crept forward. The Russians still have air superiority even after the western air support which isnt very consistent
>>536109985>nearly unlimited manpowerThey don't and their logistics are horrible. Welcome to the real world you silly man.
War does not get better over time. There is no more explosive battlefield power left on the front. Its just vague doom posting left and bombing endurance.
>it's not winning when you conquer ~15% of the opposing territory and hold it for years straight with seemingly no significant resistanceRationally, only two conclusions can be drawn: Ukraine is either incapable of pushing back, or they are unwilling. Which is it and why?>inb4 just two more dead russians
>>536109985One more meatwave and the ukraine will retake something! Meanwhile they are dying 1000-1500 a day while Russia below 150. A couple years of this and these dysgenic mongoloid mongrels will perish from the Earth but at least some ukranian mongoloid managed to kill one white man, a greatest achievement from his perspective.
>>536111405>they are dying 1000-1500 a day while Russia below 150Do you seriously believe that? Why haven't you won yet?
>>536111499Russians do not care about this war, they do not care about their dead either. They are considered mercenaries.
>>536111180>they don't and their logistics are horribleThey have 3 times the population and have armed vastly less than what Ukraine has as a share of its population and Ukraine has been getting by on NATO bux for the entire war while the Russians have been able to manufacture and maintain most of its own arsenal in far superior numbers. Ukraine cant even guarantee an oil facility is down for a few weeks or destroy critical infrastructure like bridges in Crimea to any meaningful degrees. The Ukranians couldnt extend into Russian territory for more than a few months while the Russians have steadily gained land over the last 4 years. None of this indicates Russia has inferior logistics to Ukraine
>>536111621It's way easier politically to conscript people into a war for existence instead of a war of choice
>>536111571>Russians do not care about this war, they do not care about their dead eitherRussians do care about this war and many Russians considered Putin a cuck for not launching in sooner and expect him to take Odessa or else hes a failure. Most of the narrative the Russians believe in is that Ukranian ultranationalists overthrew their government in 2014 and started targetting ethnic Russians across Ukraine thus justifying the taking of Crimea and Russian support of seperatism in eastern Ukraine. Is it a flawed perspective? Sure but thats what the Russians believe
>>536111036>Their intelligence and artillery were better as well and their strategy was better than the Ukranian>IntelligenceLmfao no>Artillery betterNo, they did have more lower qualiry shells originally.>StrategyI suppose throwing hundreds of thousands into offensive operations without caring if they dieDefence in depth is a western tactic created to counter Russia during the cold war it's not a secret.>Air superiorityLmfao vid rel>>536110759This is a reframing of Russian maximalist demands made to make their loss less humiliating.
>>536111730No seriously they do not care, the russian ultra nationalists are a tiny minority. The population is depoliticized almost completely
>>536111621Russia has 6 times the population.And 11 of the 25 million ukrainians left are pensioners the EU is going to have to feed.
>>536111824The population is not depoliticized, they're just not open about their politics, they absolutely have strong political opinions the instant they leave their dystopic shithole.
>>536111956The diaspora? I mean yeah, they are free to speak their mind then.
you dont know what you are talking about you just look at a map and try to come to conclusions based on simplistic thinking its much more complicated, deeply tgoufgt out
>>536109985>Russia was supposed to be winningrussia is winning is a meme
Can I get a quick rundown on the cause of the war? I quite literally do not understand Ukrainian and Russian interaction I guess. From what I gather, Ukraine USE to be a part of Russia. They got liberated and Russia never took it back until now? What do russians think of Ukrainians? From what I gather, I thought Ukrainians and Russians were basically the same except their language is slightly different? Apparently most Ukrainians already speak Russian too. Why is that? I just wish I had better insight into why they are even fighting. The best way I have heard it described is "Imagine if Texas left the united states. and then China tried to put Texas into an alliance of some sort and put Chinese nukes in Texas to potentially use on the USA." How accurate is any of that?
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>>536111804>Lmfao noYes. They had greater range with their artillery, better shells they could replace easier, and better recon. In terms of intelligence they've been able to engage innfar superior cyber warfare and had better jamming equipment as well. >suppose throwing hundreds of thousands into offensive operations without caring if they dieThat is the exact opposite of what the Russians have been doing, leave it to a Brit to be the most brainwashed on Russian capabilities lmao. >look at webmOh look a cherry picked event that doesnt actually say anything about the war overall lmao. Iirc correctly those planes were openly stationed there as part of an international policy and the Ukranians took advantage of it. I bet you fell for the Ghost of Kyiv memes too lmao
>>536111824> no seriously they do not careNo seriously they do care and Russians in general are very nationalistic , Putin was seen as a cuck by a lot of the Russian public.
>>536112226>look buddy, i am this chad and you are that loserholy fuck. Worse quality than all the gore threads posted during the last 5 years by the average third worlder ukrakike troglodytes
>>536112711In 2014, the more Russian friendly president of Ukraine Victor Yanukovych was ousted through a coup d'etat and his party replaced by the pro EU pro NATO faction of the Ukranian government after years of pro Russian and pro NATO factions in Ukraine were vying for power in a deeply corrupt post Soviet country. The pro NATO side had the backing of the CIA , the pro Russian side was deeply in bed with the Russian government as well. During the Maidan Revolution / coup there were instances of anti Russian violence from protesters and ultranationalist groups and the ethnic Russian minority , already upset that the candidate they votes for Yanukovych was ousted, started engaging in open seperatism against the Ukranian state and in response to the conflict the Russians took Crimea as it already maintained a major naval base in Crimea , allowing for a rigged plebiscite which ensured a majority vote to join the Russian Federation, and so the Ukrainian civil war began which for about 8 years was just Ukranians blowing the fuck out of Russian seperatist forces until Putin invaded in 22 after Zelensky made some hints he would try to officially join NATO.Tldr: Western powers and Russian powers tried to internally sway the Ukranian state towards their sphere of influence, Westerners won, ethnic Russians got pissed and tried to secede, Russia took Crimea through a clearly rigged vote, civil war started, then Russian invaded 8 years later
>>536109985Ukraine army was around 700k at the beginning of the war. Canada and Ukraine had about the same population at that time but Ukraine had a modern army 10x the size of ours. Their army would have and still could flatten any European army. They are no joke yet they are still losing.
>>536113286Hmmm interesting. So different question. How alike(or unalike) are Russians and Ukrainians? It sounds ignorant but to me, they are basically the same people because they have been involved for so long.
>>536109985Point on the map where Oookraine is winning troon
>>536111405A world without Russia would be a dream come true.
>>536113286Fox News couldn't have explained it any better.
>>536113550Why? Am I too pro Russia or pro Ukraine?
>>536113309According to Zelensky they had 1 million men army in late 2022 at the same time Russia had 300 to 400k men deployed in Ukraine now the Russian army is 700k in Ukraine despite Ukraine claiming to have milled 1.8 million Russians.
>>536113286>Russia took Crimea through a clearly rigged voteZero evidence faggotThey had international observers who didnt see any fraud.Plus nobody at time claim it was rigged
>>536110759Please respect a great Russian philosopher.
A year ago, we announced plans to develop and produce medium- and long-range drones with Ukraine. Everyone was like:> muh Drones! Give us Taurus!Now that our defense sector is booming, Russians are suddenly exploding up everywhere bcause medium- and long-range drones.What I’m saying is, we have absolutely nothing to do with this. Whenever drones are delivered, there’s always a U.S. sticker on them.
>>536113442As similar as any other eastern slabs, which is to say that they have a different dialect and retain thousand year old grievances
>>536111621at their steady pace, by the time Russia gets to Kyiv, there will be no more Russians.
>>536113442>How alike(or unalike) are Russians and UkrainiansTheyre both east slavic peoples , Orthodox by religion, and have very similar languages and cultural priorities who exist in post Soviet 2nd world nations that are deeply corrupt and oligarchic though both will insist those days are over. So they have a lot alike, Ukraine has largely been influenced by Russians since the era of the Russian Empire, Odessa formerly being considered the jewel of said empire, but historically theres always been some issues between Ukranians and Russians in the Empire as the Tsar tried to "russify" Ukranians , this was made far worse during the Russian Revolution and history of Ukranians under the Soviet Union during the Dekulakization and Holodomor periods which also saw massive efforts to russify the Ukranians killing millions of Ukranians through purges against "capitalists" and etc traitors while the Soviets moved tons of Russians into eastern Ukraine to culturally assimilate it further. So while Ukranians and Russians have a lot in common realistically, they have a lot of bad blood between each other historically and both really try to make themselves more distinct from the other as a result
>>536114068I think that's a heavily simplified narrative. Much of Eastern Ukraine still regard themselves as ethnically Russian. That is why there were attempts of reconciliations through the Minsk Agreements.
>>536112888checked, North Korea has easily replaced their shells
>>53611406848% of Ukrainians have relatives in Russia, and 12 million Russians have relatives in Ukraine. 8 million ethnic Russians live in Ukraine.Many Ukrainian cities only became Ukrainian when their ancestors fled eastward from the Wehrmacht to Russian cities, while Russians retreated deeper into the motherland. This applies to virtually all of southern and eastern Ukraine.And now the victors are being killed by our U.S. drones as they attempt to undo the consequences of World War II.kek
>>536113775Idk, Igor Girkin admitted that the voting process was rigged in a way to guarantee victory which to be fair the Ukranians also did an illegal coup to oust Yanukovych
>>536110432your skin is the color of poo
>>536110759>Putin never said he wanted to conquer and occupy all of UkraineI have listened to this argument so many times here that it's starting to get ridiculous.Probably you forget that in the beginning of the war they tried to go for Kiev and got stuck in the road. Also probably you forget that it was supposed to be a quick operation.After they started getting clapped, Russians changed the narrative to save face. It's so obvious.
>>536114324>Much of Eastern Ukraine still regard themselves as ethnically Russian.This is true, because a lot Eastern Ukraine are genuinely ethnic Russians. Luhansk and Donetsk were historically Russian previous to the establishment of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic and Eastern Ukraine is where most ethnic Russians lived in Ukraine before the civil war popped off
>>536114367North Korea did help replenish shells, but Russia out produces artillery shells compared to all of NATO let alone Ukraine
>>536114376Based German psychopath, game recognizes game
>>536114382>Igor admitted.No he didnt you retarded faggot.You troon shills pretend he said lots of things
>>536115300Eh just going off information I have. I dont know why the Russians wouldn't rig the election either way, it would be the right move to make instead of standing on principles of "democracy" in Ukraine
>>536115393Except you dont really have any real information with any real sources>Zelensky said so after doing a giant line of cocaine
>>536114670exactly, as well as the air force growing by the day
>>536115735Afaik they only produce like 30 new jets a year, which is about half as much as the european NATO powers make per year and 30 more Ukraine makes a year but still. Also its literally nothing compared to us lmao
>>536109985Anyone who remembers Kyiv should have known Russia was going to lose. I legitimately thought Russia would steamroll the whole nation, but then the clown show convey redpilled me. If you're Russian or a retarded Russian supporter, you lost tranny.
>>536116039Eat shit troon shill>https://defensemirror.com/news/40402/Russia_Manufacturing_4_Fighter_Jets_Per_Day_in_2025
>>536110432Top kek fucking hell saving this
>>536116248Interesting, so they actuallt make more than the European part of NATO as of at least 2025. But im pretty sure in the previous years in 2024 it was only 30 something and before that 53 in 2023. Damn, those are some good numbers.Do you know how they ramped up production so much?
>>536109985So piggers are winning???When will they fuck off back from my shithole to theirs???
>>536116584They had just started to build thier new passanger jets they had plants ready to go. They cancelled all thier contracts and converted production to war planes
>>536116693Oh so thats why those reports about Russians not fulfilling commercial jet orders came from. Should've figured. Probably the right move if they want to take Kherson and Odessa eventually
>>536116039that's true, they are replacing at a rate similar to spiders making webs
>>536116948They have been trying to build those jets for like 15 years. Carbon fiber wings. Think they used Pratt Whitney engines but then sanctions happened so they had to design new engines. Like 90% of the aircraft is parts from Russia.Then the war broke out.(They) dont want us to have nice things
>>536110626>besieging 3 citiesYou mean the same three cities that Russia has been trying to get to since 2022? The same 3 cities that they have been besieging and in the meanwhile lost Kherson and Kupyansk? Remember, this is the same Russia that proudly claims to have defeated Nazi Germany in less time than it has taken them to... still be besieging those three cities.
>>536109985>RecapturedIf by that you mean voluntary abandoned...
>>536109985Ukraine and NATO are desperate and do desperate things that make it look in control. Russia is allowing things to play out in the battlefield with the hopes that there can be some normalcy and reunification of Ukraine in the future. So you have one country desperate to escalate and another happy to let things play out for as long as possible to keep historic Ukraine intact. After all Ukraine was part of Russia and Kiev use to be the capital.
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