If the King James is a translation, that means someone picked the words. So when you're reading it, are you reading what God said or what somebody decided God said? How did they decide he said it, what did they translate it from?Where did your Bible come from which language and translation? If it's just the King James here, how can you say it's 'the universal Word' when it's actually a specific version?
>>536127000Yeah, it's just odd because people have all these historic experiences, and they usually say, "Oh, God spoke to me in 18th-century English." It's interesting to me, so it got me thinking: If there's a real language for God, what language was he talking to Adam in?
>>536127000>So when you're reading it, are you reading what God said or what somebody decided God said? How did they decide he said it, what did they translate it fromYou can look these information up anon. It's not a secret.But I do agree that KJV only-ism is dumb.Many proponents have to conjure up some Muslem-tier "Holy Spirit guidance" in the XVI century to attempt to justify their belief.
>>536127000Every person that preaches uses that to be evil.
>>536127000Conceptually it sounds like you have something, but practically you have very little. What hard example could you point to to cast doubt on the KJV? I prefer it and wouldn't recommend any other version. But I don't think it's perfect either
>>536127062>what language was he talking to Adam inEveryone was speaking the same language prior to the Tower of Babel.We do not know what this language was because of that.
>>536127063Listen, I'm not trying to be rude, How come there's a first language that God spoke with Adam? It's not mentioned much in the Bible. It's just something I was thinking about. I'm not denying God. Please understand that I'm just curious. What language was God speaking to Adam and Eve? Was it Hebrew? If that's your answer, that's fine. I'm just curious, you know?
Like, we know God must have been talking to Adam in a language. Why isn't that even talked about? Then, it's like, okay. Even the self-referential part of that, like it's speaking Hebrew or Aramaic in the Bible, doesn't seem to bring it up. Maybe it was perceived as the only language that ever existed. I don't know.It seems really important because it's the Word of God, and words are translated.
>>536127000Hey Nigger brownoid scumThe bible is fake and gayAlso it is anti whiteJesus is a jew kike sandniggerPeriod
>>536127000It's called the holy spirithttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Spirithttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea>Holy Spirit acts as an agent of divine action or communication.Eventually you always come full circle back to just having faith though.
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I'm just thinking about this from an interested perspective. Okay, we follow the Bible, which is in English. We know it was translated from the King James Version, which was translated from another language. You keep going back until you realize, "Okay, so who is the original person, and why were they speaking with God?" Obviously, we know the Bible was written by people who spoke Hebrew, but what about the people in the stories? What languages were they supposedly speaking? Furthermore, if we can't name the languages the people in the stories spoke, how can we talk about the stories? We wouldn't know what was going on.
>>536127115That's actually a really good point that's the kind of answer I was looking over thank youbut what was it you know what I mean that's what I'm interested in
>>536127000Jesus Christ was God incarnate. He spoke Aramaic and Greek.
God spoke the queen's./thread
>>536127288We cannot know, it was supernaturally altered into the myriad of proto-ancient languages at Babel in pre-literate pre-historical times.The people there could no longer even tell.
>>536127000Does it matter?The Bible is just one book amongst hundreds claiming to be divinely inspired.
>>536127266no but you can't say that though because what the fuck how do you know what happened to the story if you can't speak the language how do you even know that the story is true like if adam speaks this magical thing we don't know of now then how do we know what the fuck he was saying we just got to trust that somebody somewhere remembered
>>536127360You’re right Bruce, we’re all just star stuff floating on an insignificant blue. dot in the infinite universe. You should go back to surfing and not worry about it or whatever you do down there because nothing matters bazinga.
>>536127147If I remember correctly , Saint Augustine believed that Adam spoke ancient hebrew , and that was the only language directly created by God
>>536127235yes we just need to trust the plQn and everything will be fine
>>536127346well then how the fuck do I know that Adam wasn't saying "fuck me God I'm gay" you know like how do I know that he wasn't saying that shitlisten, I'm not trying to be an asshole but like understand where I'm coming from how can you tell me that this is how the story went when you don't understand two people speaking a language? Okay, let me try to paint this picture for you. You see two Spanish people talking. How are you going to tell me what they're talking about? Later on, you're going to tell me, "Well, it was a language that we don't know anymore, but I understood what was going on in the story. Trust me." At some point, this becomes ridiculous. I understand the story of the tower coming down and people being separated, but you'd think that we would know the languages.that or we would tell the story without saying what Adam actually was talking about because we wouldn't know what his language was
Imagine you walk up to two people speaking Spanish, but you don't know a single word of Spanish. If you later wrote down a story about what they did, you could describe their actions—like 'they hugged' or 'they fought'—but you could not possibly write down exactly what they said to each other. That is the situation with the Bible and Adam. The original language Adam spoke is completely lost, so the author of Genesis couldn't have known the exact words. Instead, the story gives us a summary of the *meaning* of their conversation translated into Hebrew, just like you would summarize the Spanish speakers' actions without knowing their actual dialogue. Claiming to know the exact words Adam spoke is like claiming to know exactly what those Spanish speakers said just by watching them; it's a guess, not a fact.so how do we do that? like we actually do say what Adam said were words not actionsI don't know ask AI maybe I'm not explaining it right
do mutts really don't know that the bible was written in hebrew and written by jews and not redblooded muricans Qpatriots in murican language
If I tell you a story about a guy who spoke a language that nobody on Earth knows anymore, and then I give you a direct, word-for-word quote of what he said... I am lying to you. I am either making up the words, or I am just telling you the meaning of what he did. You cannot quote a language that does not exist
>>536127624it's not about what it was written and dude it's about what God spoke to Adam for example
>>536127624are you insinuating that Adam and Eve literally the first humans ever created were clearly speaking Hebrew?That's pretty fucking retarded but okay
>>536127535If you are okay believing in God being omnipotent and omnipresent, then there is no reason to nit pick things like the language Adam spoke. It is reasonable to assume that God would make sure the Bible stories said what he wanted them to say, even if they were written down later in a different language.
>>536127630so what language did Adam speak because right now I don't I'm not finding anything so how did anybody know what he saidI mean the stories aren't even his actions that's the funny part they really said his words to they didn't even aim at this they didn't think of this problem
>>536127675this isn't nitpicking man you have no idea what the fuck Adam and Eve were talking about or if they even were speaking words because you don't know what language they were talking inand if you don't know that you don't know what they could have said to God you don't know what God was saying to them the story isn't just actions it doesn't just say Adam was running around in circles that says Adam's clearly spoke to God and even had conversations think wherefore art thou Adam how the fuck do we know that he said that what language was that in?refer to this >>536127630
If Adam's language is totally lost, what were the actual, literal sounds that came out of his mouth when he said 'Where art thou'? If you can't make the sounds, you don't know the words.
>>536127403Bible stories pre-Abraham at least were just oral traditions that were written down hundreds to thousands of years after the event.Their authority and veracity only comes via the living Church's.>>536127235The Biblical Canon was not decided at Nicaea.It is based on Iraenaus' and voted on at a synod convened in Rome by Pope Damasus in 382 AD.Finally set into stone only at Trent in 1546.The King James Version doesn't even include some books from the canon used prior to the Protestant schism. It's missing the Deuterocanonical books, but also includes Sirach and Judith, which were considered Apocrypha by the Church and absent in the Latin Vulgate and therefore Douay-Rheims.
>>536127000The bible was written by men you stupid faggot.
>>536127745If Adam's language is totally lost, what was the actual noise he made with his mouth? If you can't make the noise, you don't know the words.
>>536127663>are you insinuating that Adam and Eve literally the first humansfirst humans that never existed>the first humans ever createdyes created as in penned from imagination by an Alexandrian immigrant jew in second century bce
Adamic tongue
>>536127713If you consider the Bible is the Word of God, then it is the Word of God. The actual language Adam was speaking doesn't matter because the text you are reading is the literal Word of God, aka the Truth. The Bible says what God wants it to say. Being obsessed with Adam's language doesnt matter, the Bible tells the Truth regardless. Thats what I mean by nit picking.
>>536127859We have major translation and transliteration problems today even with languages we do know, where words get changed or lost in translation.
>>536127884that doesn't solve anything you don't know what the words are in that language so how do you know what God was saying with Adam you are trusting some Jewish guy who spoke Hebrew who says he spoke that language or that he knows what Adam meant when he spoke that language
>>536127000Nice digits, but you won't ever understand what you're really asking unless you can think without words. It's really that easy. When you can understand the chaos that surrounds you, and interpret it without words, then maybe you can speak with God
You’re all plebs. Read the Bible, then you’ll know what you think. I doing care what you think or what you decide. But as of now, you know nothing> 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Here is the absolute simplest way to say it, using two short paragraphs that even a 5-year-old can understand:Imagine a man spoke a secret alien language that is completely forgotten. Nobody knows a single word or sound of it. If you don't know the words, you cannot know what they mean. So, it is completely impossible to know the exact things that the man and God said to each other.When people read the story today, they are just trusting an ancient Hebrew storyteller who lived a long time later. But that storyteller did not speak the secret language either! He had no way to know what the words meant, so he just made up his own words to tell the story. You cannot know the exact words of a language that nobody on Earth can speak anymore.
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>>536127960like it or hate it this is reality bro
>>536127945That's retarded. When you can communicate with pure emotion, like the way telepathy works among psychic people, then you can interpret the word of God
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>>536127000The Bible wasn't written by God, you moronic literal idiot.For example, the Pentateuch was written by Moses. Moses met Christ in person on Mt. Sinai, but Christ didn't literally dictate any text. Also the actual text of the Pentateuch was written down a 1000 years after Moses and in Greek; presumably during that 1000 year period scripture was mostly passed on orally and only ad-hoc recordings were made.
>>536127993This is a good depiction of telepathy
>>536127000It doesn't matter. The main things are the plain things. Those seeking to interpret deeply are doing so to twist the message of God for human purposes.
>>536127984I don't know man that's not what the Bible said was happening they didn't say Adam was talking with pure emotion dude they said God was telling him like wherefore art thou
>>536127945>>536127960>>536127981read my post. Genesis was never written down in Genesis' time. The words you see are orally passed down generation from generation.the Bible is not the Quran or Book of Mormom, there were no scribes following around the people for the majority of the time depicted in its books.
like Adam and God were having full-blown conversations and shit and we're supposed to believe that like you know I mean maybe they were talking in guttural moans I don't know
>>536128039oh I'll be other thing is for the vast majority of History most people were literate
>>536127945It is also seemingly impossible that a man died, came back to life 3 days later, walked around with holes in the body for 40 days, after which he ascended bodily into the sky and Heaven. If you believe that happened, why are you so worried about what words Adam physically used?
>>536128047You don't know dude, but that's what went down
>>536128067it encompasses more than just Christians it also encompasses Muslims and Jews
>>536127425Augustine was a retard.No, the original Proto-Human urlanguage wasn't semitic at all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Human_language#Claimed_characteristics
>>536128076they may not like it but that's what peak male performance looks like you know God has the best sense of humor
>>536128109That's what happens when you try to understand shit that went unspoken in words through time
KJV is literally one of the worst version of the bible, and Im not even religious in the least, its just objective fact given how much they twisted and changed the original canon, to the point it radically changed a fuckton of the morals in it. From respecting your host being twisted into subserviance to lords whose authority is based on a "trust me bro" tier proof of blood relations to sone inbred jewish faggot thousands of year ago that lived in a totally different part of the world.
another thought comes to mind is why do most English people hear God as like the 18th century English version, you'll hear people telling you about how "I had a dream and he said 'thou is saved.'" what the fuck why did God talk like this current year
>>536128130Humor is the language of God, it goes unspoken
>>536128130>>536128183It's like music, it's not the notes, but the silence between them
>>536127199Is telepathy a language?
>>536127624>do mutts really don't know that the bible was written in hebrewThe oldest Bible is in Greek. The Hebrew texts are a back-translation from the Greek version.(And the OG Greek Bible is based on some semitic language substrate, but that substrate isn't Hebrew strictly speaking.)
>>536128236No, it's a feeling
>>536127624>do mutts really don't know that the bible was written in hebrewIt was written in koine greek, actually>written by jewsSome of the authors weren't jews
>>536127993According the Christian doctrine the dog-eat-dog animal world is a direct result of Adam's fall. > And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."Dominion" here meaning literally, Adam changed the planet's ecosystem to what it is today.
>>536127624> do mutts really don't knowESL memeflag retard
>>536127789Akshually there isn't a Christian canon.Scripture is whatever is used in liturgy, and the exact minutiae of liturgy varies slightly from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.(Protestants and Roman "Catholics" aren't Christian so they have their own thing.)
>>536127000>>536127062Lmao what is this samefag shit you're trying to pull>how do they know what God saidThe English version is translated from Latin. Latin from Greek. Greek from Hebrew. Several of the stories in the original version have direct correlation to older Sumerian stories which we know because they were preserved mainly by the Akkadians. If you want to read the entire Bible with everything prior to the council of Nicaea you should read the Ethiopian version
>>536127000>>536127062The Abrahamic god is a distilled version of the Canaanite storm god from their pantheon and isn't real
>>536127000The christian bible has known authors. God didnt write it.Fucking hell. Even i know that.
>>536127000>godlol.. ffsits jews dummy
>>536127000ah yes the kind of histrionic supercharged protestantism that prides itself on healthy skepticism. how do we even know anything brother?
>>536128399>Adam changed the planet's ecosystem to what it is today1 man made a mistake so billions unrelated people and animals must suffer. Understandable.
>>536128399>>536129753More athiest illiterate nonsense. It was at the time of Noah that God changed the ecosystem. Prior to that Man was not allowed to eat meat. It's only with the Noahide Covenant (still in effect until the End of the World), that Man was given absolute Dominion over Creation.This Man being the sole survivors from the first mass genocide aka the Global Deluge.
>>536129862>>536128399can you christshitskins then explain what sharks and lions ate before adam's fall since you schizos don't believe in evolution
>>536129862>More athiest illiterate nonsense. It was at the time of Noah that God changed the ecosystem. Prior to that Man was not allowed to eat meat.>It's only with the Noahide Covenant (still in effect until the End of the World), that Man was given absolute Dominion over Creation.>This Man being the sole survivors from the first mass genocide aka the Global Deluge.Now it's all clear and understandable. Billions must suffer and it's a good thing.
>>536127000Did you... did you think that Christians believe God himself wrote the Bible...?
>>536129965We don't know what happened at the time of Eden.It may be all beings were immortal just like Humans.
>>536128413I'm tired + great argument retard>>536128300>koine greekold testament was written in greek?>SOME of the authors weren't jews>SOME niggers are don't rape and murder and actually pro decreasing the nigger population so that means niggers are okay.Also it isn't "SOME" it's ONE (1). And it's Luke and even then it's disputed. The overwhelming evidence points to him being a Hellenic jew (If he existed at all) as he's citing old testament hebrew prophecies and hanging with jews during a time jews were going on random schizo murder sprees and kill Greek and Roman settlers in jerusalem
>>536130434throw that into a very VERY long list of things you don't know
god speaks gaelic and he only speaks to irishmen
>>536130504You will know everything about everything once you pass on the next world brother
>>536130755yes goy i promise you it will all make sense when you die and go to rabbi yeshu's wonderland goy just turn the other cheek in the meantime goynigger tier
>>536127424>rejecting the bible means you're atheist >being atheist means you're nihilist Cringe.
>>536130755>be rome>worship christ>become brown
>>536127062If he is allknowing why not talk in modern english no reason god wouldnt know what fortnite ohio skibidi means>>536127424Just because god isnt your abrahamic jew on a cloud doesnt negate that a god can exist absolute midwit fell for the godhead instead of the god if you can define god youre not talking about god but its religious mask and lens.
>>536131336well the alternative my dear memeflag troll, is what, forever not knowing things and then ending up as dust?>>536131716that's not what happened. Rome was "browned" 3 whole centuries before Christianism even played a role. ( it never was "browned btw)
>>536128487So everything always has it root in Africa
Christians will desperately argue until they are blue in the face so that no one realizes they are one of the only faiths that has no access to its original text. They will scream loud and proud and talk about lots of bullshit just so that this fact does not go mainstream.
>>536132186the alternative is not believing in talking donkeys and embracing pagan thought and attitude and being practical and pragmatic and realisticinstead of comforting yourself in jewish delusion
>>536132503And don't get into the book of jasher which was considered canon by the authors of the bible themselves but is now totally lost lmao
What the fuck is wrong with KJV-only autists? I just can't wrap my mind around how idiotic that is. Maybe it's because I'm catholic and live in an area surrounded by other catholics, so I don't understand protniggers at all. But I mean, come on, these are texts written in ancient hebrew and greek. But those original versions and all other translations were fake and gay until some anglo faggot did his own translation in the 1600s?
>>536127000God came to me shat on to my porch and drawed an atomic explosion that's how I know it's God's command to us to nuke India
>>536127000>God had to use language at one poinyes, he spoke creation into existence.>in the beginning was was the word and the word was with god and the word was god
>>536129965Most young earth creationists (Christian fanatics) believe all animals were vegetarian before Adam and Eve ate the apple. Haven't you seen the video on youtube of a T Rex eating watermelons in the garden of Eden?
>>536133372yeah. Kelp eating sharks.
>>536127984christkikes need to shoot themselves
