>Athiest be like:you see that beautiful, aestheticaly pleasing, well calibrated reliable and accurate watch, welp a rock over a billion year turned into that watch, all the spring and gears placed with minute detail all came on their own without a watchmaker
Go back to India shit eating shit.
>>536129527the current state of the art academic consensus about the beginning of life is that*it came from another planet*I am not even jocking. Anyway it's just shifting the problem in time and space, not solving it.
>>536129527>christcucks be like: uhhhhh this looks complicated me no understand.. sky daddy must have made it
>>536129788Nigger the formation of earth itself is from 2 planets colliding
>>536129788They found amino acids in space. So the building blocks of life are just floating around everywhere.
>>536129527>well calibrated reliable and accurateI thought you are describing life forms.
>>536129527Why doesn't the bible mention the mitochondria or its workings? It would be more believable if it did.It's almost as if it was written by people thousands of years ago who had no idea how anything worked, so made up ridiculous childish fairytales by today's standards in a pathetic attempt to explain the universe.
>>536129527>retarded Christians thinking they're going to heaven despite their sins>retarded atheists thinking retarded Christians represent the Word of God
>>536129788lmao no it isn't faggot. that's just one of many different ideas about the origin of life. you're probably confused by the fact that biological-like molecules, like amino acids, have been found in asteroidsEven if they found evidence of ancient life on mars that wouldn't even 'prove' that life comes from outer space. It could still be independently evolving by itself
>>536129727>Go back to India shit eating shit.That's your country you filthy demonic atheist gypsy.
I believe the existence of mathematics proves a higher power.
>>536130655>mathematicsis Philosophy
>>536129527Christcucks believe a magic man in the sky was created out of nothing with immeasurable power, wisdom and ability to create anything out of thin air with a snap of his fingers and did it all in 7 days
>>536130705Yes.
>>536130345Nigga you believe in entropy and simultaneously still think self organization through random chance is how DNA became able to encode genetic information lmao. You are a pseud.
>>536129527If there was a god, he would have made life simple and elegant. Like a clock. Not this shit.
>>536129527The world has jews and niggers in it. What an incredible "Designer".
>>536131065Obviously the basic laws of physics allow for complexity to emerge when particles interact over time.Just like the Mandelbrot set fractal is infinately complex even though it's formula is simple.
>>536130655>I believe the existence of mathematics proves a higher power.so did Einsteinand Schrodinger probably
>>536131140>If there was a god, he would have made life simple and elegantYou're just projecting your own wants.
>>536129527Maybe there was a creator God, maybe there wasn't a creator God. The existence of a creator God doesn't prove that all the bullshit in your jewish holy book is true.
>>536133086No one said it did though.Rent free.
>>536129527>Athiest be likeAll that makes one an atheist is that he doesn't believe God exists. That's it. I don't pretend to know how everything works, because i don't have to. You however insist that your, and only your, explanation is the one that is true. Why are you so invested in what i think? Why do you want me to think the same way as you do?
Also since we're in a thread about religion, can any Christian please explain what was wrong with Adam and Eve that they failed to make the right choice? I genuinely don't know, and for some reason i can't get a clear answer.
Assuming there was a creator god to begin with.Why do you also assume it was the god of the jews?
>>536133326Because christfags Re moral busybodies who think that it is their right to force you to believe what they do. The existence of people who don't follow their religion causes them endless amounts of seething
>>536129527God is infinitely more complex than the watch, and yet you believe he came into existence from nothing, and has no maker.
>>536129527How can you tell a watch needs a watchmaker? You claim that everything is designed. So a rock is as designed as a watch is. The word 'design' stops meaning anything at all under a Creator theory.
>>536133326He did not provide an explanation.Rent free.
>>536129527What is that?CO-VID?Meh...
>>536131140when you're an eternal being, you succumb to madness and make all this dog shit I guess
>>536133631I could ask you what you actually believe?Do you believe in the bible? Everything about it? Mostly that Jesus existed and was the Son of God? Also that King David existed? Also that Moses existed? Also that Abraham existed? Do you believe that Noah and the great flood were real? Do you believe that Adam and Eve existed? Do you believe that evolution isn't real or what creationists call macroevolution isn't real? Do you go even further and claims that heliocentrism is wrong, even further and that flat earth is the truth?
>>536129527Why would the existence of this cell require a "creator"?
>>536129527That's a pretty stupid analogy. I can exactly tell you the history of watchmaking. I can find out who was the watchmaker, which tools he used and what parts. How long it took and it can be repuduced anytime. Can you do anything like that?Where is your invisible watchmaker?
>>536133879>I could ask you what you actually believe?I get VALIS like information.It's allegorical you blithering idiot.
>>536133970I didn't realize atheists were this dumb.
>>536133970But when you see a watch...you do know that someone, somewhere, made it.Before even doing that research, right?Or, when you see watches, do you assume it's a plant and only after investigating the history of the object then determine it was created?Just trying to see how you approach these tough problems.
>>536130291Enzymes (thousand of connected amino acids) are all Left Handed (L)When we find AA's in space or make them in 'standardized conditions' we get a racemic mixture of R and LThe Homogeneity problemThere is also the issue of RNA/DNA codependency; which came first and how did RNA come to 'code' DNA ?Quite the complex process to arise from nothing, for no reason at all
>>536130162>hindus be like... uhhggg my 10,000 gods tell me to rape and eat shit and drink piss and pollute pollute pollute and eat curry forever and ever
>>536129527Abrahamics be like: a kike created everything around us
>>536132895Non-sequitur You don't understand the implications of Entropy and its contradiction with Abiogenesis You deflected with some bullshit about fractals and complexityWhy does a system get more complex when energy tends to disperse ?
>>536134136StrawmanNo one is saying kikes did anythingAbiogenesis and Evolution require strict faith by its adherents, just like religionDon't dispute the Materialist Narrative, goy
>>536129527>Christians be like: a invisible wizard jew did it!If we're using strawman might as well use for both sides
>>536134036How do you know a watch is designed? What have you seen that wasn't designed?
>>536133585gottem
>>536134411Nothing actually most likely imo.
>>536134213its not a strawman, its what the abrahamic texts say. Kike filth.
>>536134036Are you suggesting I don't know the difference between an inanimate and and animate object? If you give me some kind of explanation that I can test and verify for the creator of this cell I am absolutely ready to consider. But you can't. Because you have to believe it. It's ok you can believe whatever but don't act like it has a scientific base.
>>536134444Quads of ignorance
>>536134444You're retarded
>>536134146Entropy increases in a universal scale or in a isolated system, not on a system with constant energy input from the sun like the earth, you fucking idiot.
>>536134036A watch is an object that doesn't exist in nature and we know was created by humans to measure time.A cell is something that exists in nature and there is no reason to assume it was "created" by some other creature.It's a false dichotomy. You are being dishonest by invoking it and make yourself look like a manipulative scheming fuck in the process.
>>536129527>religious people be like: you see this beautiful complex thing you are trying to understand with science? well this prove that my kike book is true and god died for our sins when science will prove heaven is real I'll laugh at you for believing in atheist nonsense
>>536134436Yeah, exactly. If you believe God exists, everything is designed. So how can you tell that the watch was made by a man? God could have placed it there like any old rock
>>536134474I'm suggesting you do and it's inherent in your little brain even if you are trying to act stupid.>SCIENCE
>>536134474Even inanimate objects are incredibly complex from the physical interactions keeping them togetherWhere do the Laws of Physics exist ?Are they permanent, forever, unchanging ?>>536134513The Earth has energy output too>>536134518Where does that Science exist ? If it could change, that would make our scientific quest difficult if Laws were different 3B years ago
Atheists are the jeets of religion.
>>536134552Yes, this is the point midwit.If I see a watch in a rock, someone put it there.If I see fully functioning ecosystem with incredible complexity ONE AND IN A ROCK (earth) then I assume someone put it there.
>>536134552Rocks were not placed they formed
>>536134484>>536134498You blindly belib in a jewish rewrite of Babylonian mythology, and accept that as historical fact. great projection.
>>536134573You are the one who tried to explain your believe with science
>>536134552The entire Universe is a designed creation with preset rules Materialism has this same opinion but removes God so it's a mere Simulation>>536134608No one but you is mentioning the Bible or kikes dude, touch grass and forgive your parents
>>536134665just blow your head off you stupid fucking christkike moron. I'm so sick of you dumb jewish fucks
>>536134639Where did I mention anything scientific at all?I'm using basic logic.Watch on a rock? Someone put it there.Fully functioning ecosystem on a rock? Someone put it there.It's you with the inconsistency.You see a watch on a rock and you know something from this.But you see something incredibly more complex ON A ROCK TOO and conclude the opposite.You need to square these two things lad.
>>536134665kike slave retard
>>536133631Was i supposed to provide an explanation? Again, why do you expect me to know how literally everything functions? I don't have to.
>>536134735when you see fire, do you assume that someone put fire there?
>>536129527>1pbtidAnyway, i'll be going on my way.
>>536134723>>536134797What a bunch of non arguments lmaoOpen an Organic Chemistry textbookIm probably talks to bots feeding them information
>>536134606Then what makes the watch stand out? If you saw a watch on the beach, would it be as usual as a grain of sand? I mean, both things were put there, no?
>>536134831Fire (as far as we can tell) has no consciousness. It has no brain.But it does have "rules" that govern it's "behavior."Nice deflection though.Please address how you see a watch on a rock, know someone made it.But then you see something a million times more intricate ON A ROCK CALLED EARTH and conclude the opposite?Please answer.
>>536134879>Then what makes the watch stand out?The fact that someone designed it.This is the same reason that if I see a human on the sand I can conclude the same thing.Now, the sand is more like a "fish in a tank" type thing. It's not sentient, just like the watch.However if you look at the function of sand and the oceans you can see it's role just like the stop gears on a watch. It's just that we live on IN THE MACHINE in regards to the sand and it's function.If you lived in the watch, then the sleek metallic edges might not stand out much.Scale of vantage point.
>>536133409Anyone?
>>536130345it's a testif the bibbel spelled out in advance mind you, whatever the modern scientific establishment deemed as true, then false beiiever would get easy accces to Heavean
>>536134584>Where does that Science exist ?as a collective knowledge of the understanding of the universe > if Laws were different 3B years agoreally nigga? did you pay attention at school?and whatever laws we discover they are usually unchangeable because they are super close approximations my point was that religion uses the constant excuse of the non understandable as a proof of concept of god, you might have sufficient proof to appeal for a one true god but that makes the bible a false testament to that because it's filled with errors and retarded believes.even if you created a bible with zero contradictions you could never explain how the laws of physics changed throughout the centuries until recent time were they stayed the same
>>536134874>psychobabble >>536134894its not a deflection, please answer. why do you hold standards to fire that you don't hold for a watch or a rock?If I see a watch on a rock, I know someone made it because I am aware of human history and inventions. I don't look around at life and the planets and think an imaginary kike made all of this because a book written by kikes says so.
>>536135126Proof is literally for faggots.Like total reddit faggots.>GOT PROOOOOFFF??!!>I'M PPRROOOOOOVINNNGGGHHH
>>536134079Yeah im smart enough to admit it dont know. Stupid people say they know for sure.
>>536129527It was definitely created and maintained by some intelligent force, being, group, or process. Even we as "intelligent" beings cannot create the simplest of bacteria in laboratories with all the cutting edge equipment we have access to. Atheists would have a better time conceding that yes, it does appear that biological life is too complex and reasonably must have been intelligently designed, but by who or what is still anyone's guess. If they wanted to look like their stance came from good faith then that's what they would conclude.
>>536135180>please answer my question when I refuse to answer yoursJewish much?I explained directly why about fire. Try reading you absolute faggot.
>>536129527Creationist be like: Lol zombie Jew go BRRRRRR
>a scientist beyond our comprehension made the universe in which we live, and that proves we have to worship some kike scammer who did magic tricks with breadsticks
>>536135240You didn't answer the question, or the follow up. You just danced around it. Try answering the questions instead of projecting.
>>536135184if I told you that that I have magic powers and without your knowledge I drugged you with salvia you would have no choice but to believe me orwould you rather try to understand that the laws of nature do not change on random whims and therefore that retarded magician was a charlatan?but you don't want that right? hypothetical conditionals are useless.so I'll ask you this:do you believe without any doubt that Moses's rod turned into a snake an that snake tuned back to a rod?
I don't believe that the universe can just come from nothing. We were definitely created but we don't have any answers that are concrete.
>>536130345>Why doesn't the bible mention the mitochondriabecause god made light appear, and then made the sun and the stars three days later, then he made a guy and then carved a woman out of the guys rib bone, and that's how life on earth works. mitochondria is just a test of your faith. don't listen to scientists who tell you light comes from the sun and stars, it actually came long before they even existed. nurses will lie to your face about where females come from. as long as you refuse to believe their lies, you'll get to kike heaven.
>>536135027>If I see a watch then I assume it was created by a creator>If I see sand then I assume it was created by a creatorLmao what fucking idiot so your whole point is totally irrelevant you owned yourself so hard that serbian anon has 3 deviations on you bro this was crazy to witness
>>536129527You're comparing the watch to nature to know it's man made. What are you comparing reality to to tell if it's made or not?
>>536135587Many atheists don't claim there was once a "nothing". It's perfectly ok to posit an eternal causation chain.
>>536129788It is NOT a PROBLEM waiting to get solved by white or nigger man! IT JUST IS! (Stupid dumbfucks!)
>>536135439>Fire (as far as we can tell) has no consciousness. It has no brain.>But it does have "rules" that govern it's "behavior."An intelligent person sees that this implies that it could be seen as a designed function.I elaborated on the fish scenario and the sand which would apply to fire as well.You lost.You can't respond. Your pilpul is on display.I'll be going out with my family now. Good luck at home on the internet all day. I know you had the day off yesterday.>>536135520What is there to believe? Do you believe the Goldilocks story?
>>536135839it's a simple yes or no question so do you believe god did that?
>>536135713kekI can't even describe how far off you are. I think you should re read what I said AFTER taking some basic language skills courses.3 SDs on me would put someone at 220 IQ probably.So I doubt.
Atheist trannies are so jewed up that even the devil himself is disgusted by their mutilated axe wounds and skin-baloon dicks. Ewwwww yuck!!!
>>536135892No. I believe it's an allegory as I stated about like three times already you absolute fucking retard.RENT FREE.These Jew stories literally live RENT FREE in your head.The only discussion you seem capable of is attempting to disprove a Jew story.It's very GOY.
>>536135954do you believe god came to earth as a human and died and rose again from the dead and went back to heaven or is it an allegory?
>>536135903>Atheist trannies are so jewed uphave you cut off your balls for the kingdom of heaven like your paedo-in-chief rabbi yeshu bar yusuf al nazreeth asked you to do yet?pic related, it's your holy book
>>536130162Atheists be like it started from a big boom but I can’t explain how we got spinning balls and shapeshifting monkeys or life’s origin but did you know we can clone things so we can become as powerful as God so God’s probably just an alien from another planet. You’re basically Mormons or ancient alien theory kikes, anything but God.
>>536136168Holy shit you change my mind!I now believe in the sky jew and will worship him!
>>536129527The sheer improbability of the universe having the right constants, the proteins’ binding efficiencies supporting the construction of organisms, organisms then arising on a planet hospitable to life, developing incredible self-assembling tools like eyes…And then all of this supporting experience, where we can actually enjoy being alive, rather than simply replicating like automata, as is certainly physically possible……Is so unlikely that “we evolved” simply adds to the inconceivability.So multiple universes need to be invoked. However, because it is so much more statistically probable to be living in a universe designed by intelligence given all these finely tuned conditions as well as our own intelligence, there is probably a God. And it isn’t a coincidence that we naturally believe in God and seem genetically hardwired to, or that we are capable of mystical experiences through meditation, psychedelics, dreaming, suffering, etc.
>>536136168where did yahweh come from?
>>536135231Can't make sustainable fusion either, but countless stars do it all over the universe.
>>536130162You got a better explanation?
>>536136248Yeah, and imagine that out of all the hundreds of thousands of Gods, only the jewish one happened to be the real God! Amazing!
>>536136447I don’t understand the hostility or the strawman.
>>5361358943 standard deviations on you puts someone at 100you're a literal retard who doesn't even understand how owned you were by that guyif you think everything is created then attempting to claim creation is obvious due to one of the creations is... retardedit's ok if you don't get it. like I said, 3 deviationsjust wanted to let you know how funny it was to witness that own and let the serbianon know he's the chad of this thread
>>536136435evolution by natural selection
>>536136476I think hes just saying that out of all the gods in history how can you be sure the christian one is any more real than Odin or Amatarasu
>ITT bots arguing with jeets and kikesstill not going to worship your desert jew religion
>>536129527>AthiestIf you can't even spell the first word, why should I even bother read the rest of your argument?
>>536129527Damn you're right!I'm STILL not going to worship Jewsus though.
>>536129527Atheists do not be like this tho...
>>536136248Yes, I believe the Jews or some Jews, talk about a "higher order" and they mean it literally not only metaphorically, when taking about "God", to me that sounds absolutely reasonable. Although I am not Jewish or anything.
>>536135587>I don't believe that the universe can just come from nothing.AFAIK it didn't, it's a cyclical process, like breathing, it collapses and expands. I could dig out the post that exactly describes it.
>>536136248>The sheer improbability of the universe blah blahthe observable universe is 93 billion light years acrossthat is, it would take 93 billion years to get to the edge of what we can currently see, at the speed of lightat a more achievable speed of 1000mph, it would take 62 quadrillion years, by which time you'd have another 60 quadrillion years ahead of you due to expansion while travellingthe universe is unimaginably vast enough that the chances of almost everything you can think of happening are in fact very probable, especially random lifethere are trillions upon trillions of galaxies, each containing hundreds of billions of stars, with each star having its own planets, each with its own chemical makeupwhat you understand as life may be nothing near the pinnacle of what is achievable and what we cannot comprehendwe are extremely basic creaturesif you want to see evolution in action then just get a microscope and look at the way viruses adapt, change and grow to better survive hostile environments and whatever you throw at themwe began with a process you can replicate in your bedroom by mixing different rocks and waiting for chemical reactions, we're billions of years down the line herei'm bored now
>>536129527Have you considered that it's not all "perfectly calibrated", it just looks like that to you since you were literally made to survive under those conditions?
>>536136041Yes. Very clearly.I love how you retards can't have a discussion without assuming a thousand jew things.
>>536129527>Conflating ingenuity and the spreading of knowledge with actual evolution.ISHYGDDT
>>536136542That's actually about right because I'm easily 145 and 3 Sds below is exactly 100.It's hard to test past where I'm at.You are talking to someone who is married to a neurologist who is a midwit in comparison.
>>536136883This (lol) thank you!
>>536129527>attributing human social qualities to natural behaviorYeah, and since we domesticated canines and felines, all animals could be domesticated cuz "muh human creations". Go domesticate a fuckin bear, jew.
>>536136252I figure you want me to say Yahweh came from the jews but Hebrews are not kikes and kikes are not Hebrews. Kikes are Pharisee Canaanites and converts to Babylonian Talmudic Judaism. The descendants of ancient Israelites are Europeans not kikes. That’s why kikes aren’t allowed to use genetic testing kits in Israel because it proves they have no sovereignty over the holy land or any genetic tie to the region.
>>536136883>it would take 93 billion years to get to the edge of what we can currently seeSo how do we see things from that far away then? Really think about what you just said.
>>536136968if god were to come back as fully god and fully humans as promised can he be killed again?
>>536129527>I don't understand it, therefore can't be made by natureThis explains why you are religious
>>536136215You’re a disingenuous kike with no intention of looking anything up even if by chance to save your own soul. That’s probably why you were born a kike.
>>536129527Well AKTUALLY that’s not how it happened you see there were many more failures along the way. For example bug that looks like a stick. All the bugs that evolved near it that didn’t look like a stick so they died and only the stick bug survived its just an accident. And if you ask for fossil proof you can’t even find dead bugs from a few years ago let along millions of years. Checkmate, goys
>>536129527>Irreducible complexity means thet divine intervention is reaponsible for all complexityI believe in God but even I know that life has, through trial and error, increased in complexity and population as response to environmental conditions.
>>536130291Okay so go ahead and create life from them in a lab. as a proud tradcath christbro i affirm my true feminine soul every single day by keeping my worthless little clitty locked tight in that cold steel cage while tyrone wrecks my boypussy with his massive veiny black cock first then switches to brutal double fisting me so deep his forearms disappear up my ruined shithole and my prolapsed rosebud hangs out like a pink sock covered in thick lube and ass mucus. my prostate gets battered raw until endless sticky ropes of sissy precum pour out nonstop gluing the sensitive top of my penis head completely to the inside of the metal cage bars so the skin stretches and tears every time it tries to twitch. the dried precum and skin fuse together into one painful mess making the cage bite deeper into my shriveled balls and the raw head of my clitty until any movement feels like someone is slicing the frenulum with a razor. i cannot pull the cage free without ripping chunks of my own penis skin off in bloody strips so instead i swallow fistfuls of estrogen pills to soften everything up make my tits swell bigger and my balls shrink even tinier while i beg tyrone to ram both fists in harder twisting them around inside my guts until my belly bulges outward and my gaping asshole farts out wet sloppy bubbles of cum lube and prostate milk that splatter across the bed. the burning agony from the glued skin on the top of my penis mixed with the mind melting pleasure of getting my insides rearranged turns me into a drooling brainrotted mess moaning bible verses about submission because this is the real tradcath christpilled way. true tradition means weak christbros like me fully surrender our male bodies to superior alpha bulls and let them remake us into leaking cumdump holes for gods natural order. every extra dose of estrogen makes the glue between my clitty head and the cage tighter and more painful so the metal grinds against the raw exposed skin while tyrone laughs
>>536137129>what if I ask you about another allegory and just do this endlessly though?Look, it's YOU that seems to know all about it and think about it NON STOP.Do you not realize this? You are entirely owned and controlled in thought process.
>well calibrated reliable and accurate>placed with minute detailtell me you fall squarely in the midwit trap without telling me
>>536137302so it's just a man made tale to you?do you even consider yourself christian?
>>536137195Explain it to them, goy. Explain the whole thing. Use Claude to distill a short version for a 5 year old. If you can’t even bother to do that they’ll just use your type of response and further proof. Everything is all a series of accidents from building block molecules obviously. Over a long period of time is like a blank check you can say all sorts of crazy shit and it’s all plausible. And if you build an academic consensus around it with kosher approval you can bully the goyim around if they try to criticize it.
>>536129788consensus is irrelevant in science
>>536136871Something can not come from nothing. Athiesm is a religion as well. It's just ego that motivates both sides.
>>536137378In the beginning was THE WORD.The Greek for "word" in the shit translation they give us is "LOGOS."I'd suggest some Lucis Trust reading like Alice Bailey if you actually care.A "christian" is one who is initiated and Christ like. Faux initiation is everywhere.I don't consider 95%+ of people calling themselves Christians actually christian because they have no understanding of what is being taught and they literally believe the allegories as something that happened and not an eternal truth.You are basically doing the Jews bidding by attempting to make it a pre requisite of being a "christian" that you believe obvious allegories as real events, thusly making you a retard.But you insist. Jew?
>>536129527Why do you people act like God can't both exist, and at the same time be a universe where the natural laws result in the emergence of complex life through trial and error? What are you suggesting? That all these things were magically created by hand like a literal watchmaker?
>>536137309Man can’t explain the origin of life. We can’t create life. We can procreate and we can clone but both require existing life. We can’t explain where life came from but the best explanation is Genesis. Intelligent design may sound crazy but getting to the point we are in our evolution strictly by chance sounds crazier. Bodies like ours could not have evolved from pond scum, quit being retarded.
>>536137738If design isn't intelligent, what makes it stupid?
>>536137564>Lucis TrustReally?
>>536137564I don’t consider anybody a Christian who believes in any of those jewish fairytales and lies in the “old testament”. “jews are the problem… but not moses and the hebrews, they were the good jews”. Spoiler alert but they never existed. They’re just foundation myths, every culture had them and the jew one isn’t even original they burrowed stories from all the hosts they parasitically lived amongst. Genesis is a bullshit story, the creation myth is not unique, noah and his ark never existed, and there was no hebrew slaves in Egypt or a kingdom of israel. We know from Egyptian records that it’s historically impossible. The so-called “hebrews” historically were Phoenician-adjacent desert nomads. The jews don’t show up in this historical record until around the 7th century BC. If you call yourself a Christian and value these mythological bullshit stories, tours not a Christian you’re a jew. It’s fitting that so many evangelical retards are circumcised
>>536129527>Intelligent design>Infant born with terminal cancer>Intelligent design
>>536137813You and whatever kind of bullshit question you posted. Are you having a stroke?
>>536137564so who do you consider a real christian preacher?>You are basically doing the Jews bidding by attempting to make it a pre requisite of being a "Christian" that you believe obvious allegories as real events, thusly making you a retard.But you insist. Jew?also why whoever questions your religion you call him a Jew? wasn't Christ and his disciples Jews themselves? or you mean a Jew as in a religious Jew?
>>536137858>infant born with terminal cancer Now you believe in God when you need someone to blame for your fuckups, because we all know that humans don’t make mistakes it’s always God’s intention to give children cancer. You sound like a bleeding cunt bitch that never takes responsibility. I guarantee you stay single.
>>536129727Aren't u the same??
>>536129527>watchthe human body is not a watch and it wasnt "designed". it developed naturally.>over a billion year actually it doesnt even take that long to make complex life, more in the range of 100k years to a million years max.
>>536137933I was agreeing with you since the big bang is a Jesuit theory.I was asking>If design isn't intelligent, what makes it stupid?To reveal a closed epistemic closed loop logic of atheism - that the design of the universe is not intelligentIf the design of the universe isn't intelligent - then what makes it stupid?
>>536138186>infant born with terminal cancer >your fuckupsWhat?
>>536129788RNAworld and the primordial soup is kind of the consensus in academia. On a pre-biotic earth, very large and complex molecules including amino acids could exist which would be instantly devoured today. It’s likely there were little proto-ribosomes worked. which became more complex over time. Some people believe viruses evolved during such a time, before cellular life
>>536130742no it’s not, my college now considers intro to logic a PHIL rather than MATH credit
>>536137933The hypothesis is thatThe Universe Is Not Produced by Intelligent DesignThe question is:Why not?Without using emotional anecdotes.Is the actual mechanistics of the universe, Intelligent or Not?
>>536129527>there must be a creator of everything >okay, where is he?>he lives in a magical otherworld you can only go to when you die
>>536136577I’m not, so I don’t understand why that was brought up.>>536136883I used to think this was a good argument when I was an atheist. I encourage you to read more about how finely tuned everything in this universe is, then you’ll understand why the answer is either “intelligence” or “multiverse.” As mentioned prior, given any random universe with intelligence, that intelligence is fundamental and creates complexity is more likely than complexity developing spontaneously. Both are possible given enough opportunity (time, universes), but one is more likely than the other.The universe, as you mentioned, is vast, but nothing compared to the vastness required to achieve these finely tuned parameters. Most of the universe even still can’t support life, meaning supporting life is incredibly demanding.
>>536138232What was the original form of men , if we evolved from non complex life form? How did that life form come into existence? I'm genuinly curious>>536138417How did any building material of any life form start to reproduce or use energy from environment to do so?
>>536134079DNA likely arose as a result of viruses and cellular life participating in an arms race. DNA could still be read by ribosomes as it still uses mostly the same nucleotides, but was not degraded by RNAses in the cell, which protected against RNA viruses. This was long before LUCA, and the benefits of DNA were so great that it became just as conserved as things like tRNA synthetases
>>536137829Yes. There is a reason it's fudded.From Bethlehem to Calvary is a good one.
>>536138295Whenever children get cancer it can’t possibly be environmental poisoning or some man made thing that causes cancer. It’s God all of a sudden. God didn’t create anything it was a bang, oh but childhood cancer yeah that’s God’s work. See how retarded you sound? The fact that jews have so many genetic diseases makes me think that there is a loving God. TKD
>>536138110I don't go to church. My body is the Temple. I am at "church" now.Don't listen to "preachers."
>>536138589it is thought that hydrothermal vents created a local reversal of entropy. the highly reactive chemical species present there would have allowed things like sulfurous molecules such as methionine to arise
>>536134894So this is the power of the American education system
>>536138417Well if we look at pre-biotics in the microbiome - rather than at the cosmological scaleWhat does a pre-biotic look like geometrically?
>>536138514No you can commune with God right now if you want to
>>536138767>intelligent design
>>536129527Our genetics are pretty messy and obviously not the result of intelligent design. Our eyes are actually upside down and our brain corrects for that. We are prone to getting cysts on our tailbones. The recurrent laryngeal nerve takes a wacky route under our heart to reach our larynx.To me it seems more believable that we are the result of billions of years of slight modifications with a bunch of errors that got grandfathered in because they technically weren't lethal, then to believe that a Jewish wizard made us in his perfect image.
>>536138791Your theory is based on too many assumptions that cannot be observed or proven in any capacity. There was never an observation of any bacteria or any other life form becoming more complex except minor adaptations to new environments which happen in already existing life forms.
>>536138877I’m talking about a pre-biotic EARTH, not dietary prebiotics lol. By that I meant earth in the time before life evolved. Also in really small molecules “shape” doesn’t really exist lol
>>536138589>How did that life form come into existence?Its quite simple if you stop looking at life as a biological anomaly and start seeing it as a thermodynamic necessity. according to non equilibrium thermodynamics the universe is essentially a massive engine driving toward entropy by creating dissipative structures.these structures emerge wherever there is a potent energy gradient, they absorb energy from their environment and organize themselves into complex patterns specifically to accelerate the dissipation of that energy.also this isnt just limited to biology, it follows the same fractal logic seen in plasma cosmology.just as plasma filaments self organize into galactic structures via electromagnetic forces matter organizes itself into increasingly complex tiers to process energy gradients.So basically Life is simply the ultimate dissipative structure.it starts with high energy chemical precursors, like amino acids formed within localized electrochemical gradients. the progression from primordial fermentation to aerobic respiration is just the system upgrading its hardware to exploit new higher potential energy sources (like oxygen).also adaptation can be much more rapid as it is driven by massive fluctuations in the Earth's magnetosphere.
>>536129527>Atheists>have an explanation for how a cell evolved>Christians>the world is 6,000 years old
>>536138837Not at all. If you'd been to school here you know they don't teach anything at all.
>>536139129Many academics believe LUCA may not even have been a cell, and I never said life began as a membrane bound cell, I said the current consensus was that it began as a system of molecules interacting with early ribosomes. Besides, you don’t know the difference between a theory and a hypothesis. I doubt you have ANY scientific background, yet alone one in biology
>>536139170Now the key portion that matters...Why?
>>536139257I often hear the claim by some christians that 00s atheists were strawmaning christianity by only debating with young earth creationism but online here on 4chan and elswhere on many other sites a large portion of christians seem to be creationists who deny evolution and even attack christians who believe in it. Some of the so called "serious thinkers" they mention like Jay Dyerr or Trent Horn are basically young earth creationists just not evangelical ones.For me it seems that the yec "strawman" actually describes a large portion of e-christians.
>>536138962The long term exposure is to the parents obviously not an infant. You’re assuming both parents are free of toxins or environmental damage. Damage and toxins would definitely create a higher chance for a mistake whether or not your bullshit AI agrees with me or not.
>>536137265This is an extremely disgusting and cool text. Christianity literally makes pussies out of man, even worse nigger pussies lol. Interesting. Good point lolol
>>536139474It's more like "science folk" only want to argue with these creationist, very short timeline, Christians because that's the easy debate to "win" in their heads.Notice how all my responders seethe and cope when I'm not one. It's kinda sad really.
>>536139149I know.Their shape does exist though.The Dodecahedron is Aether because it most closely approximates the Sphere._____I am trying to use a very overt intuition model - dietary probiotics - to examine - what makes them probitiobic - before the body processes them and serves to through the Vagus Nerve.What you think is a silly question - is an attempt to consider whether the source within the body - the prebiotic - has a geometric influence on gram-level geometrics and others - which transcend upwards towards a function in neural architecture.I understand this seems silly on the surface but let's consider it anyway - What is a pre-biotic
>>536139460because "why" is a teleological trap.in a universe governed by non equilibrium thermodynamics there is no purpose only entropy production. life exists because complex, dissipative structures are mathematically more efficient at processing energy gradients than simple ones.it doesnt happen because it "wants" to, it happens because the laws of physics dictate that energy will always find the most complex path to dissipate itself.complexity is an inevitability of the gradient.
>>536138962>>536139488Degradation. It's DEvolution quite clearly.Just like a computer clogs up and gets worse no matter what is done. It has a shelf life of compute and stablity.Errors multiply and compound. Eventually it's an unusable mess with no redemption.>inb4 seething at thoughts and pontification
We just use it to shotpost kek
>>536139593>a trapActually no. It's the only thing that matters.There is a reason every child ever goes through a "why?" stage. They will ask "why?" forty straight times as you explain deeper and deeper into what they orginally asked about.It's the undergird to everything that is human.WHY. YaHWeh.
>>536136168Don't give yourself an aneurysm kek
>>536139568pre-biotics*whoops haha
>>536137217Convincing stuff!
>>536130345Imagine trying to explain to people 2000 years ago, who didn’t have any scientific equipment, this utterly useless fact. No one gives a fuck about muh science because it’s gay and for nerds
>>536129788The current consensus in history is that th holocaust happened. Any novice can look at the facts and conclude that it obviously didn't. But good luck keeping your job if you disagree with consensus.Lord knows how many unspeakable truths there are in academic fields that we CAN'T easily debunk.
>>536139828Well if we start with the assumptionNature conserves energy through intelligent design.It doesn't really matter what position the public were in before exposure to data points.2000 years ago - people simply existed and intuited through the geometry which man would come to utilise for technology -This is why Kant said Beauty has a Moral Quality - He is describing a set blueprint of beautiful architectureand deviation as a deformation of beauty
>>536139870Can you prove yesterday happened?
>>536130162>Christcucks be like Every civilization that ever existed accepted the concept of God or gods. You can’t explain why we’re here, you have your own retarded magical story that relies on at least one miracle. Stop engaging in sodomy.
>>536139170You said it yourself, it is dissipation of energy. Not starting of using it to reproduce and continue their existence as a form of life, previusly been non living matter. Organizing structures does not mean growth and reproduction, which are qualities of life. So you claim plasma fillaments become alive by electromagnetic forces? Are plasma fillaments a life form? Yor claim of such a jump from fermentation to respiration is huuuge deal that you make like meh humans decide to breath pure helium at 1000 degree f. Have you thought how many jumps through impossible scenarios, and theories that exist only on paper you just connected together?
>>536140100Well how would you approach this musicallyIs music alive?
>>536139593>dissipative structures are mathematically more efficient at processing energy gradients than simple ones.Never happened. Fire itself disproves this claim. A forest fire dissipates the chemical gradient in trees much faster than the living forest does.
Argumentum ad ignorantiam
>>536129527>How can you have a crotch without a crotchmaker?Did you know that your retarded superstition is just as stupid as all the other retarded superstitions? Many stupid superstitious idiots think that their retarded superstitions are in some way less retarded than other people's stupid superstitions but they are wrong, because they are retarded. Their stupid superstition is indeed just as stupid as all the other retarded superstitious idiots' stupid superstitions.
>>536138502Not! It's rendom because it appears in an endless space and time. If two atoms have all time and all space there is they will eventually hit each other! :) There you go, that's your God!
>>536140073Your (flawed) argument is called "the god of the gaps". Your (made-up) omnipotent supreme being lives in constantly shrinking gaps of scientific knowledge.
>>536140812Are you defining the Parallel Postulate here?How does that act in the assumption time is an emergent quality of 4d folding rather than Einstein's layer 0 substrate?
>>536140861No. "God" lives behind the veil of "knowledge" in a realm of wisdom and creation.>THE VEIL OF ISIS
>>536131140>doesnt give God back control over his life>why things not simple :(your life sucks because you want to be god over your life, simple as.
>>536129527>Athiest be likebut only the athiest. we others who are merely athy to some degree get a free pass.in other words: learn to spell, retard.
How come atheists can only argue against the linguistic narrative concept of God? The fact is they can’t prove anything else. They just want religion to go away. All you have to do to fuck them is say no
>>536134474>t I can test and verify for the creator of this cell I am absolutely ready to considergo apply to a biology or medical focused STEM class at an university of your choosing. learning about the mechanics of the DNA makes God being the creator undenyiable.
