Look around you retard. Do you really want to subsidize the jeets and abbos around you? I sure as hell don't want to subsidize the malays or the jeets.

I think the point is that governments keep demanding more and more money until eventually their demands exceed supply.
I find this hard to argue with.

meanwhile in the us:
all your money gets invested, whether you like it or not, in the stock market to prop up a dozen billionaires and their corporations
it's socialism alright, socialism for the rich

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>>536131688
>run out of other people's money
checked,
Didn't matter to neoliberals because, thanks to (not just their offshoring of the west's manufacturing capacity but also) post-1970s Financialization of the global economy aka turning global investment banks into casinos, all wealth today is generated—no, not from 'work', 'profit', 'capital' or 'labor'—entirely from *speculative debt instruments* that never existed prior to the 1980s.
In other words Thatcher-Reagan era created a Fountain of Youth of *never-ending 'free money'* out of thin air, that continues today in the post-2008 infinite QE from private central banks that backstops all the transnational corporations, asset markets, HNW entities, sovereign governments worldwide. While the global debt on backs of all 160 nations' citizens gigainflates.
Whatever this is rn 2008—2026, isn't 'capitalism'

>>536131766
>stock market
AI is greed incarnated

>>536131765
>government keeps redistributing money
>people spend that money doing what they want to
>no more rich people
and this is bad why exactly?

>>536131725
that's exactly why all those clownworld multi-culti nations like america dont have socialism
they're evidently deeply racist as a society so they dont want to support minorities
if you want a single most poweful proof that america is from the top systemically a racist nation then you point at lack of socialist politics

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>>536131766
>>536131901
>AI
is by many orders of magnitude the greatest financial scam in thousands-years history of human civilization.
Global debt market has been in 'controlled' collapse since early 2023 (SVB) and the worldwide bond yields have never been this volatile or unstable in half a century. In addition, nobody wants to buy the debt.

>>536131898
>While the global debt on backs of all 160 nations' citizens gigainflates.
Turbo enslavement.
It reminds me how a jew transfers his sins to chicken.
>>536132009
How does the AI hype connect to the debt collapse?

>>536131898
so you're just saying america is exploiting all its military vassals (all countries minus Iran, russia, China and their own vassals) ? that you're offloading all possible negative effects on your allies so americans can maintain their comfy lives but somehow do it so quitely and stealthy that not one nation or its media ever point it out?

>>536131688
The problem with capitalism is that you eventually run out of workers to exploit.

>>536131688
When you don't know anything about socialism you think that quote from Fatch is quite funny but then when you learn what socialism is you realize she's retarded. She introduced neo-liberalism to the UK which has led to the brown hell we now face.

right wing retards will never understand that money ALWAYS gets redistributed, it's only a matter if it gets redistributed from the top to the bottom or from the bottom to the top

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>>536132229 <---memeflag 2 pbtid
>>536132189
One way (it connects) is, as mentioned, no one is buying the debt rn.
First off for everyone on this board: 'Stock market' is neither the economy, or economic "health" it is wholly especially since 1980s Financialization began a casino that represents nothing in the Real Economy of goods-services-commodities. Just to take one random example off the S&P: Tesla is a company that hasn't turned a profit in two decades yet its stock valuations are higher than any automobile manufacturer worldwide.
post-1970s Financialization of the global economy^^*READ*as explained upthread means that all global wealth today is generated from speculative debt instruments. It's a debt-based economic model, all currency from private central banks is debt note fiat. Nothing backs it : except debt. Everything that every HNW entity, transnational corporation, the FAANGs do is on credit. Same with all governments worldwide: No government "has the money" to do anything they spend on it's all generated from new debt issuance. The graph prior posted about FAANG capital expenditures on AI, they're shoveling leveraged bets and tons of gov-debt generated grants into that<--A totally unproven AI gamble, when Altman and others have already admitted that none of it will pan out what they predicted a couple years ago. (Also note that, the AI hype began exactly three years ago right after SVB collapsed)
Another thing about transnational corporations and the S&P: most of them are shoveling their profits—no, not into capex improvements of their own production line, output of their own brand but—into buybacks of their own stocks to artificially boost share valuations.<--This is another second-order downstream effect of post-1970s Financialization, *everything* is solely exclusively about making money off of money itself alone. Totally segregated and walled-off from the Real Economy of goods-services-commodities

>>536132312
That’s 19th century capitalism, these days the problem is that you eventually run out of taxpayers money.

>>536132312
Very true.
All capitalists do is make money off other peoples hard work.

It's insane that all investors combined make more money than all workers combined just because they dropped out of a rich pussy.

>>536132005
Go make a socialist paradise in your shithole saar
Fucking braindead stinky subhuman

Because the government sector of the economy is a money sucking black hole that doesn't produce anything worthwhile other than security and law.

If anything the government was worth spending money on, the market would have found a solution for it already.

>>536131688
It's almost like we cannot trust the government to take care of us, no matter how much money we give them. A government that thinks they can evenly distribute the labor of others and is going to do it 100% without favoring anyone and or stealing the funds to enrich themselves? It won't happen it's never going to happen.

>>536132005
God I hope this was true

>>536131688
Socialism would be great as long as there is a genetic test and IQ test to receive benefits. Evidently being brown is a solid qualifier if failure

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>>536132229
>>536132731
>debt-based global economic model
>all governments worldwide: No government "has the money" to do anything they spend on it's all generated from new debt issuance
United States will hit the Total Default brick wall four years from now. Incoming administration's supply-side strategy had been, to boost the annual GDP growth rate from its current anemic ~2 percent into the six or seven percent range, which even if achieved would only *just barely* keep ahead of the Interest Payments tsunami that has now swamped and exceeded the U.S. federal government's annual discretionary spending. Congress (not the presidency) is the Legislative branch of U.S. gov, responsible for purse strings on control of spending. U.S. Congress as a Uniparty continually approves year after year after year $2 trillion spending bills. Fully *half* of each year's federal gov budget instantly is <whoosh> vacuumed up by the more than $1 trillion INterest Payment on the credit card.
All worldwide governments, are like this. In the case of the U.S. it matters because: UST is the global default debt unit, every sovereign debt payment worldwide is made in this denomination, and the global bond market relies on the stability (^^see post above) and solvency of the UST denomination, whole world looks to the U.S. because that's the default reserve to have confidence in BECAUSE ENTIRE WORLDWIDE SYSTEM IS BACKED BY NOTHING AT ALL except that confidence in the UST denomination.

The word credit is from Latin 'credere'
>to believe
Our entire world's economy rests on that

>>536131766
>all your money gets invested, whether you like it or not, in the stock market
How much do you have invested? Are you in mutual funds or do you buy individual stocks? What sort of returns have you got this year so far?
>>536132312
>you eventually run out of workers to exploit.
What do you do for work and who is exploiting you?
>>536132812
>make money off other peoples hard work.
What do you do for work?
>all investors combined make more money than all workers combined
So what's stopping you from investing? If what you say is true it's basically an infinite free money glitch.

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>>536132977
>Two more weeks!
What precisely are you doing to prepare for this collapse of civilization? Collecting screencaps and shitposting on 4chan?

>>536132977
>>536132731
so you're saying you shouldnt invest money in s&p or other american corporations and if you had to pull out or you will lose all your money in a few years?

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>>536132005
>>536132229
>>536132977
The word credit is from Latin 'credere'
>to believe
Our entire world's economy rests on that
so does every single nation's government

It's a global debt-based economic model.
Central banks control the Earth, all 160 nations (yes their govs included) through ever-expanding gigaballooning Debt.

Global debt topped $255 trillion in 2019 and $350 trillion in 2025, almost four times the amount of all economic output. Total debt levels and deficit spending of the past 30 years has eclipsed that of the past few centuries of western civilization, and absurdly low and negative interest rate borrowing costs have incentivized national governments to no longer borrow on the expectation that they will repay, but on the expectation that they will refinance.

>>536131997
I thought professional bad take posters knew that humans aren't machines. Why do you stop posting when I suggest the power to issue currency be equally shared. You know you get fired for talking about that one. You don't want equal sharing of authority to issue currency. I tell everyone about it. Watch as he runs away, anons. Mr. Share Fairly has limits to his belief in equality.

>>536131688
>>536131997
you are not supposed to question the capitalist propaganda.
Billionaires are necessary for the creation of jobs. Period.

>>536132996
>What do you do for work?
I have my own software company.

>So what's stopping you from investing?
Nothing: I am also an investor.
I make €60K so far this year, which is more than I made from my software business.
And I have to pay €4K in taxes over that, no matter how much more end up making this year.

Meanwhile I have to pay 49% income tax on the salary I pay myself from my business.

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>>536133180
>the creation of jobs.
What do you do for work?

>>536132977
but isnt federal reserve bart of the government or under the control of congress/deep-state? they're the same entity which makes it all nonsensical
if they're not the same entity then fed doesn't have their own army so why would congress care about some interests if federavl reserve can't collect it? or why wouldnt congress force the federal reserve to cancel debts with its army?

>>536131688
the problem with capitalism is that the rich never run out of other people's money

She needed to curb inflation so wouldn't that be a good thing?

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>>536133119
read post below (You)
Debt aka bond market is what to watch, not stocks (<---irrelevant and meaningless). Nobody is buying the debt.
Example: three years ago (again, around same time as SVB collapse: worldwide, all national and regional banks in every nation are massively interleveraged) Bank of England had to take bonds back onto its balance sheet aka buy them back to prevent total collapse of U.K. pensions.

Every single unit of fiat currency issued, is also accompanied by a note of debt aka a Bond. Those bonds 1-for-1 issued for each fiat unit, have to be bought. The bonds can't just be issued, and no one buys them. When no one buys bonds, yield rates spike. THe whole worldwide global economy is founded on debt. Guess why? Because fiat currency is backed by Nothing, except worldwide confidence in the bonds that are issued. As already explained, UST is the world's default reserve currency and debt unit.
Re-read what I posted ^^^^^^^ upthread.

The global economy depends on solvency of the U.S. treasury and its denomination. This isn't solely or simply a question of the United States of America<--country alone, collapsing or going bye-bye. When the global debt market implodes so goes everything and every one.

>>536133292
>What do you do for work?
carpenter

>>536131766
It's a shame communists never properly refuted capitalism then because right now would be a smorgasbord

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>>536133325
>federal reserve
>part of the government
*No.*
(You) need to learn about central banks.
The United States Federal Reserve Board, is the quasi-governmental entity that, with its FOMC, regulates monetary policy which is implemented by the *private* Federal Reserve Bank working in tandem with U.S. Treasury (issuing bonds for each unit of fiat currency as debt). Fiscal policy, is the U.S. Congress (legislative branch) that controls spending: As noted above, none of the money that Congress spends, even 'exists'—it's generated out of thin air *as debt* by the private Federal Reserve bank and U.S. Treasury (issuing bonds).
It's all debt. Every country on Earth with a private central bank runs this way

Century of Enslavement: The History of the Federal Reserve
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/451293951
full documentaries, references ^ here

>>536132731
Do you think they hope to kick the bucket down the line long enough for AI to become sensient and essentially erase the debt spiral?

>>536131688
ironic coming from an politicans

>>536131688
Today there's literally two economies and it shows. The consumers are in recession and the rich are still stealing the poor's money. Capitalism has fucking failed everyone who doesn't rape and eat children.
Fuck off. I'm not a communist but you have to be a fucking retard to support this psychopath's paradise.

>>536131725
How is that any different from subsidising banks, debt and pension funds?

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>>536133474
Post pics of your tool belt and work boots with timestamp, Sukhdeep.

>>536131688
Dont think you understood the quote because it's a different fallacy

>>536133702
>the rich are still stealing the poor's money.
How much money was stolen from you last week and by whom?

>>536133724
Post yours

>>536133724
What do you do for work?

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>>536133325
>>536133651
>monetary policy which is implemented by the *private* Federal Reserve Bank working in tandem with U.S. Treasury (issuing bonds for each unit of fiat currency as debt). Fiscal policy, is the U.S. Congress (legislative branch) that controls spending: As noted above, none of the money that Congress spends, even 'exists'—it's generated out of thin air *as debt* by the private Federal Reserve bank and U.S. Treasury (issuing bonds).
>It's all debt.

Learn first, *what money is* and how it is created.

(You) and every anon itt needs to watch, study these two films—

The Money Deluge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6m49vNjEGs

97% Owned — How is money created
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcGh1Dex4Yo


As we covered ^^^^^above about post-1970s Financialization of the global economy, *all wealth today* >>536131898 comes solely from *speculative debt instruments*:
>"The real money to be made in the world today is not by producing anything at all. It's simply by forms of speculating — basically making money from money. That's the most profitable, and by far and away the biggest form of economic activity that exists in the world today."
— Nick Dearden, quoted in the film '97% Owned'

>>536133444
>Bank of England had to take bonds back onto its balance sheet aka buy them back to prevent total collapse of U.K. pensions.
I dont understand. How did buying american bonds give them money for pensions?

>>536132005
>Saar! Your country is racist and oppressive!
>Please let me in, Saar!

>>536133724
I take it they didn't heed the tower of babel story

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>>536133660
Good question. Read carefully here >>536132977
Everything hinges on what is occurring, right now, with the U.S. gov strategy to boost annual GDP growth. N.B. the preliminary Q1 2026 report is coming in at—wait for it—2 percent. In other words, the plan 18 months ago for increasing GDP growth to 6-7 percent (that would *even if achieved* just barely keep U.S. ahead of Interest Payments), isn't happening. Even with all the AI gigahype (which btw is just a bunch of capital investment into datacenters, most of that is total speculation and multileveraged), the GDP numbers are mostly faked and not relevant anyway due to all the sheer debt incurred.
The overall system (irrespective of "miracle" AI which will never pan out in physicial or economic-financial reality) is totally debt based. It's all Debt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-to-GDP_ratio

>>536131688
>this fallacy
not destroyed
misallocated
similar to the law of entropy
energy is never destroyed but it can devolve into unrecoverable states and effectively becomes useless
the same reason the broken window theory is a fallacy

>>536133923 memeflag
>american bonds
U.K. treasury bonds, aka gilts. Bank of England is Britain's central bank.

Watch the two films immediately above (You)r post, you're clueless. Learn something instead of constantly shitposting. Read what I've posted itt

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>>536133822
Work boots and some woodworking tools. This is just for a project I'm getting ready to get into this summer though, I don't bang nails for a living.
>>536133906
>What do you do for work?
Why do you care? I'm not the one crying about the oppressed workers.

>>536133651
ok so they oficially "private" but this still doesn't explain how they can collect the debt?
when i hear about those terms i imagine a guy who maxxed out a credit card or took a loan from mafia and then they're persecuted by a debt-collector
in the case of central banks how can they persecute governments with armies? they dont have their own army so why even pay them back any interest if they have no real power to collect it?

>>536131688
Funny how 99% of the time criticisms of socialism is always these retarded "gotcha" quotes that have nothing to do with reality, but people really want them to be true.
>the problem with capitalism is that you eventually run out of money to spend
Same vain.

>>536131688
>fallacy
Money is destroyed because the people doing the redistribution take much of it for themselves.
Also, if you had any idea how much money government employees and gibs recipients blow on recreational drugs, yeah the money is most definitely destroyed.

>>536131766
>it's socialism alright, socialism for the rich
This on the other hand is actually a good gotcha quote. I will have to remember, thanks.

>>536131688
judeo-capitalism worked until it ran out of other peoples money, why cant socialism?

>>536134131
So your bet is on the entire world economy crashing before the singularity happens? I mean, that's a rather positive outlook anon, literally. White pilled

>>536131688
>what drives this fallacy?
nigga every government is in massive debt and the size of government spending (and government employees) is starting to become the majority of the whole economy in every fucking country.

>>536131997
People against the government redistributing money just think that labour should also be shared equally and where that is impossible, with elderly and children, extended family should take up the slack.

>>536134265
>Why do you care? I'm not the one crying about the oppressed workers.
Looks like a stick framer

>>536134328
If its socialism that only works for the rich, its actually called judeo-socialism. Real socialism would never just make everyone poor like that for no reason. That doesnt happen. When it does, theres always a jew involved.

>>536134279
Stop posting, start reading - watching - comprehending and understanding (the references already provided), memeflag.

Central banks control every single government on Earth.

>interest
Watch the two films in # 536133920 ^^^
before making another post on the internet.
All money is created as Debt. It's a global debt-based economic model >>536133123, controlled and run by central banks

>>536132009
What could make it come down though.
Seems governments are content with trying to allow inflation to run wild and get their debts to shrink that way.

>>536131688
If everything is given to you for free, why would you do anything to get it?
The more you tax people to pay for the freebies, the fewer people will work to generate the taxes, which means the rates have to go up.
The gouvernment then fishes for money in rich people, and they're rich because they run businesses.
Those people stop running businesses when it stops being worth their while and/or when they feel too badly about doing business (see Heart Attack Grill for the latter, he doesn't wanna charge the prices required to stay open).
That makes the state lose a huge source of tax revenue, while putting more people in the freebie bin.
Eventually the only people left to tax are the people who aren't generating money, and the only money they have is the money given to them through subsidy.

That's what makes communism an ouroboros, and socialism as well once the well-meaning people get replaced by the corrupt.
You can prevent that by limiting your socialism to the people of your nation, who clearly are the ethnic people of your ethnic nation.
Whosoever wants to subsidise foreigners can easily be ousted. In fact you can write your constitution to ensure this outcome.
But to think along these lines of socialism by nation, limited to the own kin, to your own folk...
That'd be awfully national socialist, after a fashion.

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>>536134362
>bet is on the entire world economy crashing
I don't have a 'bet' on it, but that's my prediction rn. A year, six months ago I was holding away from such thoughts. But we're in the middle of a grift and propaganda-fakery barrage rn that, frankly, exceeds 2020-2021 covid
We're going to see some crazy shit go down in the global bond market over the next few months.

>singularity
Bullshit. AI, as stated above is an actual fr joke. Total hoax and nothing but a financial scam—biggest most vast in human civilization history—and the last big cash grab prior to imminent total worldwide implosion. Nobody is buying the debt.

>>536132375
She was voted in in response to shit socialist policies that were already destroying Britain in the sixties.
Windrush also preceded her.
The problem was she was a monetarist who insisted on keeping the pound artificially high (hardly capitalism at all) which destroyed local industry.
She also promoted global warming to wreck the coal industry.

>>536134491
Read the posts upthread, study them. Watch the two films in # 536133920 ^^^, they are absolute must-see and study for all anons itt. It'll be the best time (You) spend all year

>>536134208
so they issued their own bonds that people bought with fiat money and thats how they got fiat money for pensions?

>>536134638
>She also promoted global warming to wreck the coal industry.
The coal industry was already fucked way before Thatcher you clueless fuckwit.

>>536134499
>If everything is given to you for free, why would you do anything to get it?

this logic is only extended to the working class and not the asset owning class who live off rent and interest

>>536132731
>buybacks signal a vote of confidence from companies
What sort of bullshit is this???

>>536131688
Value is destroyed with fiat currencies

>>536132812
This is all supported by public sector employee pension funds.

>>536134618
I genuinely believe singularity is possible but i don't want it. But i fear that people's greed will manifest it anyway. I hope to God you're right anon

>>536131688
I'm giving benefit of the doubt but what they mean is that those income streams dwindle

>>536134707
Stop posting, memeflag. Read carefully, study the thread
(already ^^upthread is this explanation: Each unit of debt note fiat currency issued by the central banks, means the sovereign nation's treasury issues a bond. That must be bought, on the worldwide bond market. U.K. : pensions worldwide are mostly supplied and founded on a country's issued bonds THAT MUST BE BOUGHT, nobody bought those, Bank of England had to 'buy them up'/put them back on their balance sheet)
Watch the two films in # 536133920

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>>536134785
it's (one mere aspect of) post-1970s Financialization of the global economy, anon.
Read the thread. Watch the two films in # 536133920 ^^^

>>536134778
And when the state inevitably comes for them, they take their assets and leave, and then there's no money left to take.

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>>536134849
Idk anon. The """""tech""""" broligarchs are financial bullshitters, see upthread^^^ and their companies largely subsist on government-issued contracts and grant. """"Tech"""" itself is a hoax industry overall, with or without AI. Nobody needs more centralization of network servers/telecom and data storage (so that the global surveillance panopticon can grow larger and more powerful), the Real Economy of goods-services-commodities needs to be bolstered, not """"tech"""". We live in by far the fakest and most distorted beyond belief, human existence that has ever transpired. Read the thread

All I know for certain, is that no one is buying the debt and liquidity is drying up. Just like it was in mid-2019 prior to throwing the switch on covid (yes that's the reason it happened, the global control and genetic experiment was just a side benefit. Global economy would have totally collapsed in fall 2019 because of the overnight repo crisis, and then 3 months later, due to never-before-in-human-history shutdown of all worldwide activity, got another $12 trillion in liquidity to keep the global investment bank black box gigacasino rolling along. Just like they're trying to do rn with AI)

>>536134131
>No one buys the debt
That's why real assets like gold, real estate, etc are so inflated?

>>536131688
That tax dollars only ever are spent on criminal niggers while public services are defunded, public land is sold off to developers and infrastructure continues to decay are what is driving that sentiment OP.

>>536134778
>the working class
What do you do for work, comrade?
How come none of you oppressed workers can post pics of your work boots with timestamp?

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>>536134371
This anon gets it.

>>536135187
>And when the state inevitably comes for them, they take their assets and leave, and then there's no money left to take.
those assets in my country are land so they literally cannot take them

>>536131688
Jews who keep spending on themselves.

>>536131688
Money is a proxy form of production (goods/services...Primarily goods)
Money spent and circulated without production, devalues itself. If this happens for too long, money becomes functionally worthless.
>Hey what the fuck? I have ten trillion dollars but I can't buy a loaf of bread???
>Well no shit, nobody's making bread and those ten trillion dollars were made out of thin air lmao
Money is not 'destroyed', but it's devalued when it moves around without an accompanying level of production.
The nazis figured that shit out in the 30's and for their crime they had to be taken out.

Thatcher did nothing wrong.
She did the only thing she could and it was the unions who fucked things up, by ignoring the developments outside the UK, thinking they could force the locals to keep on buying far more expensive product.
When talking about energy which is the fundamental source for everything in our societies, it's idiotic to think that any nation would pay £40 for a ton of coal that can be bought for from £20 abroad.
Only solution for the British industry would have been forever subsidies, which would have been a horrible decision.

The real problem arose after industries were killed, as UK couldn't come up with any new stuff to replace the old jobs with.
They were on the right track with local semiconductor sector and such, but kinda just gave up on it and shipped rest of their industry abroad for a quick gain and shifted to financial sector.

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>>536131688
>what drives this fallacy?
Rich People with money hidden from taxation.

>>536135490
>Money is not 'destroyed', but it's devalued when it moves around without an accompanying level of production.
agree, money should be for the working class only

>>536131688
money is destroyed when the national debt is paid. that's why it can never be repaid

>>536135455
They'll take fertility estimates and tax you on unrealised agricultural gains.
Make no mistakes now. They want your money, and they will invent any bullshit excuse to take it.

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>>536135490
>Money is not 'destroyed', but it's devalued when it moves around without an accompanying level of production.
If more of the profits of production were distributed widely to the people DOING the actual production, they buy things with it which drives MORE production for other people to work at, in an endless virtuous cycle of Making and Developing Things to Sell. The only Noble form of Capitalism.
When it largely ends up in the tax-havens of Billionaires and millionaire shareholders, so that they can make relatively small loans off their hoard to pay their day-to-day expenses, and never pay any tax on the principle, it just all ends up in a hole and never makes anything better for anyone.

It's basically taking Wealth out of the system and putting it up on a shelf for a "Who's the Richest" pissing contest.

>>536131688
It's not that the taxman immediately destroys money when he steals it, its that the government and its cronies inevitably waste money on stupid bullshit and enriching their own pockets, thus destroying wealth and resources on bullshit, (the taxman still does fill his pockets and waste money too)

Deport all socialists.

>>536135238
As stated already, everything is debt based. You mentioned selected asset markets, let's take them one by one.

>gold
Yes it's a 'real' asset aka Sound Money. PMs are real money. As to the gold markets, I'm not a specialist in them but many experts say that both gold and silver are undervalued (the latter by a vast magnitude), also the trading markets for gold/silver are *manipulated by paper*, see what JP Morgan has done in this. So they are trying to rig the market this way, keep the price artificially low. Again, do your research on it

>real estate
This market is the *intersection between* the Real Economy of goods-services-commodities, and the post-1970s Financialized global system. Over the past four decades more gains have been poured into real estate than any other market, in the U.S. over the past decade returns on residential real estate have kept ahead of the S&P. It's extremely lucrative and as we've all seen the huge rent and home price increases especially since covid, vastly exceeding anyone's incomes or personal earnings. Watch the first film 'The Money Deluge' (that was made almost ten years ago) in post # 536133920 ^^^^^ for some discussion of this in regard to U.K. real estate valuations. Real estate is by far the biggest and most artifically boosted, overvalued asset market worldwide, today.

>>536131688
Get a job you houso cunt.
Every time one of you faggots carry on with this shit, I can just sense somebody who pays no tax but is a lifelong drain on society.

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>>536135710
>It's not that the taxman immediately destroys money when he steals it, its that the government and its cronies inevitably waste money on stupid bullshit and enriching their own pockets
And you don't feel that the Billionaires do this EXACT SAME THING?
And the Government isn't an Infinite Waste Machine, it's just inefficient and corrupt. Which is an argument for reform, not an argument for making the Oligarchs impervious to paying their share. The latter doesn't solve anything. You are still obligated to throw YOUR money into the wasteful machine, the people with the power to FIX the machine (if they wanted) are immune to it, and thus have no motivation to see it set right. In fact they benefit from it's shittiness.

>>536132812
>All capitalists do is make money off other peoples hard work.
And what do governments do? Oh yeah the same thing except they don't have to give you anything in return, and even when they do, it's less than they stole, and the product is shit, and they force you to buy it with violence, and most of the time they dont even give you anything.

I would trade the government for voluntarily paying the Mcdonalds security service TM any day of the week.

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The point being that if the Wealth Class were paying their 40% into "The System", and the system was just squandering it, then the Wealth Class might get off their asses and see to it that it stops. Because they have the personal phone # of the people pulling the levers.

>>536131688
Rich high society's exploitative national socialist hero Margaret Thatcher.

>>536131688
>what drives this fallacy?
Lolbertarian propaganda campaigns from the billionaire think tanks. The mouth breathers don't understand what the public sector is. When the money leaves their bank account, it's gone. That's all they know.

>>536131688
Margaret Thatcher is the type of person who would hate a person for being poor even if that person was significantly more valuable to society from how much they produced.

From her point of view that person is a slave and everything that person created is her inheritance.

She is an example of pure evil and her accomplishments are some of the worst and most destructive to higher intelligence the world has ever seen.

It is a shame that she lived to the age of 87.

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Elon doesn't give a genuine fuck about "Government Waste", because he's taxed at a rate of about 0.8%. (An IRS contractor is in prison for revealing that fact).
Thus he only fucked around with it for attention, and basically just made it worse, because it was a lark to him.
He's a Government Efficiency Expert the same way he is an Elite Gamer.

>>536135858

Completely different game comparing billionaires and the government.
The system is a permanently growing debt generator that pushes that money into circulation, where as billionaires wealth is either tied up in the market or real life assets, rarely circulating anywhere in the actual economy.
Richfags also generate jobs by creating more business, where as the government generated jobs are 100% money printer backed, as it's all just more fiscal spending as the state has to pay for those jobs.
If someone from the government lines their own pockets, it's again entirely money printer generated wealth and thus inflationary.
Rich people using money in stupid ways is not fundamentally the same as the system doing it.

>>536131688
Fallacy?

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>>536136112
Whereas if Elon were paying 40% like most people, he'd be at the Governor's mansion pounding on a desk insisting that Texas fix it's laughable energy grid and get the roads and water sorted out, and build some fucking disaster prevention systems.
"I'M THE RICHEST FUCK IN THIS STATE, I DEMAND THINGS BE BETTER!".
But as it stands he has no real dog in the race. He's just skulking in Texas to avoid taxes and corporate regulation.

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>>536131688
> money is destroyed
That's a nice straw man you fabricated there. She didn't say this.

>>536136112

QUIT SPAMMING THIS JEW

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>>536131997
>>536133180
You run out of money and tank your economy. Like we did in Germany.

>>536131688
Says that, then proceeds to rape the country with her jewish cabal. Pure projection.
Remember power, water, steel, telecoms infrastructure, rail, etc all belonged to the British people, and education was free.

>>536135858
The point is, in a voluntary transaction, voluntary trade, where im not forced with violence to buy a product, or i at least have the choice of who i buy the product from, the producers competing for my money, I DONT FUCKING CARE IF HE WASTES MY MONEY ON BURGERS OR FERRARIS OR FUCKING WHATEVER, GOOD, WASTE IT, ENRICH YOURSELF, BUT, if you fucking force me to give you money with violence, and then you enrich yourself, you waste it all, you provide nothing, you simply steal and destroy wealth, then you can go fuck yourself and you should be excommunicated from all of civilization.

It's so so so simple, if you want to make money, beg for it, earn it, work for it, trade for it, produce something for it, i dont fucking care, the moment you threaten to kill me for it you have become a parasite who should be seen as nothing more than a parasite.

The government IS an infinite violence theft and waste machine, because they dont have to provide you with anything, they CAN destroy wealth and humans without consequence, that is the definition of what they are.

Shove your andrew jackson portrait up your ass statist, taxation is parasitism.

>>536135701
I don't disagree that rich assholes take more than their fair share.

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>>536136205
>Richfags also generate jobs by creating more business
God I have heard this bullshit my entire fucking life. "Think of the Jerb Creators".
Ignore the massive cuts to jerbs because of the new illegals/automation/jeets/AI.
There's nothing more resented by a fortune 500 company than compensation paid to the proles. I've worked for one for 20 years.

>>536132005
>america is from the top systemically a racist nation
It's not tho, but it should be

>>536135604
>the working class
Post pics of your workboots with timestamp, comrade.
>>536135701
>the profits of production were distributed widely to the people DOING the actual production
What do you produce and how much of the profits are being distributed to you? How much of what you produce gets hoarded by shareholders and why would you let that happen?
>>536135858
>paying their share.
How much did you pay in taxes last year? Are you paying your fair share?
>>536135960
>paying their 40% into "The System"
Did you pay your 40% to "the system" last year?
>>536136081
What do you produce? How would you estimate your value to society?

>>536136321
>Remember power, water, steel, telecoms infrastructure, rail, etc all belonged to the British people, and education was free.
And it didn't work.

>>536131688
Is the mindset of division/allocation vs creation. Do you create a good harvest by growing more crops or having less people to feed?

>>536136372
>Ignore the massive cuts to jerbs because of the new illegals/automation/jeets/AI.
That's socialism.

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>>536131688
Socialism requires nationalism

Margaret Thatcher is a corporate exploitative business' wet dream. More immigration and lower wages. The worst kind of evil Margaret Thatcher.

Remnants of her disgusting own-native child destroying legacy still exists everywhere. She would sacrifice her children to moloch and she intends to sacrifice her basterd children all the same.

>>536136112
>he's taxed at a rate of about 0.8%
Source: Trust me, bro, someone said it on Twitter one time.
>>536136258
>paying 40% like most people,
Post pics of your W2 next to your work boots.

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>>536136329
>BUT, if you fucking force me to give you money with violence, and then you enrich yourself, you waste it all
But see, that's my entire point. If the top .01% were forced into the same shitty system you and I are, they actually have the resources to sort that System out. They've more or less created a system dependent on infusions of rich people's campaign cash.
Right now their every incentive is to keep propping up the unfair/unbalanced system we have now, because they benefit from it.

Every shitty thing in America runs the shitty way it does because Rich People Will it So.
They aren't your Heroes.

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>>536131688
>I called it a fallacy so it ceases to exist

Hearing her screams from hell is something that satisfies me deeply. Why must your group perpetuate her?

>>536136499
All those russian memes.

Britain post WW2 went wrong because they preferred hurting Germany to survival. That's literally it.

>>536136281
Perfect equality is a strawman

There should just be a cap on earnings and a degree of shared ownership of a countries resources

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>>536136438
>That's socialism.
NO IT FUCKING IS NOT.
It's the natural endgame of Unfettered Capitalism, "Cut overhead costs no matter what to improve Profitability".
There is no slice of the Costs pie that Capitalists HATE more than "worker compensation". God, do they hate it.

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>>536136205
>>536136372
See the stock buybacks chart in >>536132731
Also: remember what happened (in the U.S.) covid trillions $$$$$ doled out

post-1970s Financialization of the global economy doesn't have anything to do with, and is totally walled-off and segregated from, the Real Economy of goods-services-commodities. HNW entities, 'richfags', transnational corporations dgaf about any sovereign nation's populace or 'job creation' at all in the post-1980s globalized economic zone era. It's only solely about *making money off of money itself alone*, for any broligarch / coporation / HNW entitiy today.

*Watch* the first short documentary film in post # 536133920 itt, 'The Money Deluge' it's a must.

As is the second one, '97% Owned'. (You) must learn *what money is* and how it is created in the post-1970s Financialized era and how the globalist corporatists totally exploit that. (<--*Related: look up an older, pre-existing phenomenon known as Cantillon Effect.)

>"The real money to be made in the world today is not by producing anything at all. It's simply by forms of speculating — basically making money from money. That's the most profitable, and by far and away the biggest form of economic activity that exists in the world today."
— Nick Dearden, quoted in the film '97% Owned'

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>>536136603
>There should just be a cap on earnings
How much do you earn and what should the maximum allowable be? How do you suppose your life will improve by prohibiting anybody else from earning more than you?

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>>536136506
>Source: Trust me, bro, someone said it on Twitter one time.
https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/former-irs-contractor-sentenced-disclosing-tax-return-information-news-organizations

Here you go, you dumb nigger.

>>536136409
It did work. You have not even begun to see the effects of the last 40 years yet. When you do, the time before thatcher will seem like utopia.

It is so so so so simple, if you're still a statist or a socialist in 2026, I have zero sympathy for you now.

You need to learn your lesson quickly, immediately.

It was obvious a long time ago that statism is death and destruction, and freedom and free markets are productive and peaceful.

If you want money, provide something voluntarily that your fellow human wants, if you steal it with violence you are nothing more than the lowest parasite.

Statism is theft and murder, all statists should be deported at this point.

>>536136620
How much do you earn?

>>536136620
It's still shocking sometimes to see how few people realise that capitalism is only about taking a big pile of money (the capital) and making it bigger for its own sake.

>>536136438
AI in the hands of the independent self-sustaining worker is based and good.
AI in the hands of the capital-obsessed religion of corporatism is evil.
The sooner that people realise it'll liberate the worker from the capitalist, the better they'll be off.

>>536136681
>Former IRS contractor Charles Littlejohn was sentenced to five years in federal prison for illegally leaking the confidential tax records of thousands of wealthy Americans and Donald Trump to news organizations. His leaks exposed that some billionaires paid little to no federal income tax in certain years.The
>Leaked Tax FindingsThe stolen data—published by outlets like ProPublica and The New York Times—revealed the following details regarding ultra-high net worth tax rates:
>True Tax Rates: The 25 richest Americans legally paid a "true tax rate" (calculating the growth in wealth compared to taxes paid) of just 3.4% during certain periods.Zero Tax Years: High-profile figures, including Donald Trump, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, and Warren Buffett, legally paid zero federal income tax in several years by utilizing colossal losses and tax-avoidance strategies.

>>536131898
>real capitalism wasn't tried

>>536136681
>https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/former-irs-contractor-sentenced-disclosing-tax-return-information-news-organizations
So some retard stole and published PII held by the IRS. Now prove your claim about what Elon paid in taxes.
How much did (You) pay in taxes last year?

>>536136785
70k a year. In a low cost area of NE Missouri.
Enough to drive a 50k sedan and own a 3 bedroom on a (shared) 7 acre lake.
I do alright.

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>>536136797
>AI in the hands of the worker
AI exists to depopulate trash like you.

>>536136856
>net worth tax rates:
What is the current net work tax rate in the USA? How much net worth tax did you pay last year?

>>536136536
>But see, that's my entire point. If the top .01% were forced into the same shitty system you and I are, they actually have the resources to sort that System out.

Are you fucking stupid? Bro, think for one second what the fuck you are talking about.

The "0.1%" IS in the system we are in! It is the nature of the SYSTEM, the type of system, which means that they have all of the government induced advantages, lobbying, central banking, favorable regulations, destroying their competition, etc.

You CANNOT fix the system. There is only ONE way, ONE way to fix the system, get this through your statist head! The ONLY way to fix the system, is to REDUCE it, THATS IT, anything else is fantasy or manipulation.

Abolish the fed, and gold will return within a week.

>>536136895
Read the thread, brainlet. Capitalism permanently died and went to heaven in 2008. After that, all HNW entities, sovereign governments, asset markets, transnational corporations, hedge funds are totally reliant on endless infinite supplies of debt note fiat currency from private central banks (that is shoveled onto backs of 160 nations' citizens as trillions $$$$$$$$$ Debt) to prevent instantaneous worldwide implosion.
Whatever tf this is rn 2009—2026 is not 'capitalism'.

>>536136967
>70k a year. In a low cost area of NE Missouri.
>Enough to drive a 50k sedan and own a 3 bedroom on a (shared) 7 acre lake.
>I do alright.
So who do you imagine is stealing all your surplus value and oppressing you? Do you ever save and invest anything?

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>>536136952
The documents were reported on by the Press. Elon paid between 3.5% and 0% over a period of years.
>Muh Fake Noos
You don't think the 25 richest people in America wouldn't have sued a newspaper if it were lies?
They just made sure the guy got prison time who squealed on them.
You can look up the Times story yourself like a Big Boy.

>>536131688
>political slogans from kikeslaves
Nothing else to it

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>>536137072
>Do you ever save and invest anything?
I have about 350k in a 401k that hopefully Elon and co.'s AI bubble shenanigans isn't about to blow up.
The way you suck billionaire cock, you must be a multi-millionaire with aspirations.

>>536136972
It's making corporate products even less popular than they already are.
Market research shows that laptop sales for example haven't gone up because of AI-features, rather they've gone down.
At a recent series of graduation ceremonies, tech CEOs were invited to speech and as soon as they mentioned AI the whole room booed them.
That shit didn't happen a year ago, and it'll only escalate from here.

All the more reason to get acquainted with "AI tools".
The majority of them are not AI. It's just branding.
But while they're here, might as well apply them.
Go generate a musician who can play the software plugin for you.
People will bitch, but you don't have the $3000 that a session worker costs to do it for real and that's just 1 instrument getting played.
That's the sort of worker I'm talking about. People who don't have capital to pump into a business like a kike.

>>536134909
thread will be dead then so at least i want to resolve this one confusion
I thought bonds were a fairly new and optional/additional thing for governments to siphon fiat money from other countries and they used a different system for marking debt between their own central bank and treasury
Was it always like this?

>>536131688
Now Margaret, I know you might think Satan is some big lollapalooza, but he's doing the best job he can. He's doing the best job he can. He doesn't work for a wage, he's doing it for free, but he's doing the BEST job he can. He's going to tell you everyday that all this could be yours.

>>536137062
use your brain dimwit
what you get is end effect of capitalism

>>536131688
>what is velocity of money

Let me explain it very, very very simply for all the statists in this thread, so you can understand it so easily.

Imagine this, imagine the greediest, most terrible, most evil corporation you've ever heard of, it does everything you hate, all of the things you hate about capitalism, it does that, the corporation you hate the most.

Now, imagine that this corporation has the power to steal from you with violence, in fact to do anything violent it wants, and it does this regularly, in fact it has a monopoly on violence, it can force you to buy products with violence, or it can just take your money with violence and give you nothing at all

Congratulations, now you know what the state is, this is the state, that is what the state is, that is what the state must be, if it didn't do this, it would not exist, let me repeat this, the state is just a corporation that uses violence, usually it has the monopoly on violence in a certain area, and it will create all kinds of myths and manipulations to get you to believe in your own enslavement, and your 'right' to enslave others.

Libertarianism means, we think markets with as little initiation of violence as possible are the best, so we want to reduce or abolish systems which feed themselves with the initiation of violence.

If you are not a libertarian, you must be either a lunatic or a psychopath. Either way a parasite and a destroyer of all good.

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>>536137307
The current system of world economics, began in 1944 at Bretton Woods. This postwar system was centered around USD, which at time still had backing by PMs in other words, it wasn't total fiat currency. In 1971 decision was made to remove the USD linking with gold and during that decade a new link was made with trading most of the world's oil in USD, hence the 'petrodollar' era of the following few decades when the dollar was now a fiat (debt note) currency, in comparison to past decades when, even in the immediate 20 years after World War II, still backed by the U.S.'s gold and silver<---that had been part of what made the dollar so predominant and desired during the mid-20th century worldwide.

Bonds have always existed. Bond market is a stable and safe place to park assets, with a (virtually, as long as the market remains stable) guaranteed small percent return at the end of maturity. As mentioned above, USD became (over several decades, it didn't start out that way but here we all are) the *world's default reserve*currency unit and, as explained, after the 1970s was also an actual fiat currency that is backed by Nothing except *FAITH IN THE U.S. TREASURY BONDS THAT ARE ISSUED FOR EACH UNIT OF USD """printed""" into existence. Bonds have to be bought, because all the 160 nations' fiat currencies are backed by nothing but steady, assured sales of the bonds issued for each fiat note """printed"""". That's why bonds, and global debt market, are *THE FOUNDATION* of all worldwide economic action and activity. And includes *speculative debt instruments* that generate all today's wealth worldwide, and these never existed prior to the 1980s.
Faith and confidence in the global debt market, is what keeps you and me alive

Read the thread. Watch closely and study the two films in >>536133920, they'll be the most valuable education and time spent for (You).
It's a global debt-based economic model. Everything you see and touch in our 2026 world, is Debt.

>>536137645
inequality gets to the point where being on the lowest strata of society is indistinguishable from violence/slavery so 'little initiation of violence' is meaningless in reality

but expecting a libertarian to come to grips with reality is silly given they share the same beliefs as rich people do yet have none of their power or capital

>>536137241
>I have about 350k in a 401k
So what percentage of that did you pay in taxes last year?
>you must be a multi-millionaire with aspirations.
Something like that, but please explain how the state stealing more from people more successful than you is likely to improve your lot in life?

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>>536137645
>Congratulations, now you know what the state is, this is the state
The State is this way because the richest Libertarians desire for it to work this way. It's designed to put the boot on YOUR neck, not theirs.
Wait til your favorite Libertarian NEEDS an 88 decibel AI center right next to/on your property.
You'll find out real fast who holds the gobermint leash.
(It's your favorite Libertarian heroes).
They do, in fact own that boot.

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>>536131688
>socialism uses other people's money
>sells the totally of state owned business for peanuts

fuck this bitch

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>>536137917
>being on the lowest strata of society is indistinguishable from violence/slavery
Yeah, doomscrolling social media with a full belly in your childhood bedroom is exactly like living in some shanty town in Haiti or in a mud hut in Zambia.
Post pics of your goon-cave with timestamp.

>>536137919
You've provided "something like that", I am not further discussing my finances with you, sorry.
Fuck off, lickspittle.

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>>536137949
This, by the way, is why you will never see a "True Libertarian Paradise". Then they would have to pay for their own security/goon squad.
This way, YOU pay for it, and they control it, it's much better for the Libertarians to have a taxpayer funded bureaucracy/police State they don't have to chip in on.

>>536137949
>Wait til your favorite Libertarian NEEDS an 88 decibel AI center right next to/on your property.
How many more weeks until that happens? Even a smaller data center moving into town would quarter my property tax and leave our town enough revenue to get some great public works projects done and properly fund the fire department.

>>536137917
>inequality gets to the point where being on the lowest strata of society is indistinguishable from violence/slavery so 'little initiation of violence' is meaningless in reality

Inequality is inevitable in any system, especially a system which makes theft and violence systemic, you will end up not only with the most greedy in charge, you will end up with the most bloodthirsty, violent, greedy, sadist fools you can imagine, like in all socialists systems, you never reduced inequality, you made it systemic and enforced by violence, Stalin drank champagne while the peasants starved to death, extreme inequality, but at least all the peasants starved to death 'equally' right?

How is living peacefully violence? War is peace in your view right? Freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.

>>536137379
>2 pbtid Dumb Fuck "muh end"
Read up on Financialization of the global economy post-1970s, idiot. None of it has anything at all whatsoever to with 'capital', 'labor', 'work' but everything to do with private central banks controlling the issuance of currency, and speculative debt instruments putting never-in-history-of-humanity-or-capitalism debt slavery burdens on citizens with zero access and open outright prohibition of use of said system. Nothing about the post-1970s (and particulary -80s) world of economics / finance has ANYTHING AT ALL to do with what occurred or came prior, it's a completely different world.
And read the Fucking God Damned thread (that has myriad external proof and references), **DUMB FUCK**.

>>536131688

Providing a good service would be detrimental to any government subsidised entity, look at the NHS, it can demand more money each year when it offers a shit service, it would get less if it offered a good one because there is no competition. This even touches on the basics like bin collection and disposal.

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>>536138180
They are trying to squeeze one in behind my local Shartmart in the middle of town, where property owners have a shit ton of duplexes and some middle class housing. The city here is surrounded by corn and based bean fields, but they need to be smack in the middle of the grid to more effectively jack up utility prices and so everyone can enjoy the BRRRRRRRRRRR

>>536137949
>Libertarianism is when you support state violence and taxation
Good doublethink, stop smoking meth statist parasite.

>>536131997

The economic value comes from the transaction, just taking money from one person and giving it to another does not cause the person being took from to work harder nor does it cause the person receiving to work harder either.

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>>536138348
have some tablets, they are free

>>536138214
You're way too wrapped up in narratives and emotions to make a point

My point is simple. Workers laboring under the sun deserve as much money as workers inside offices, and the workers inside offices deserve more money than the people who live off rent, interest and the ownership of finite resources

A little bit of inequality is okay as long as the CEO isn't making 100x more than their employees for work that is only marginally more difficult

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>>536138422
You think it's Libertarianism For Us All. When it's "Libertarianism for Me, Wageslavery and Bureaucracy For Thee"
You adorable, idealistic Sweet Summer Child.

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>>536138422
>unironically lolberting
sad

>>536138177
Buddy, if i could press a button that would make it so i dont pay taxes anymore and instead i can either defend myself or choose a private security company to pay for my protection, I would press that button so fast my fucking finger would snap in half.

By the way, those AI data centres forcing you to sell your land are literally doing it via government enforcement, eminent domain or whatever they call it, you are a fucking parasitic moron.

>>536132312

Unless you have an open border policy.... the 90's was pretty sweet for the workers in the UK as there was a labor shortage which meant to attract workers the job had to be attractive. Now that we have flooded the west with low skilled migrants the workers have zero power, prior to the 90's the left were protectionist, uk liberals distrusted the EU based on how it hurts the working classes.

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>>536131688
Communism can't be made attractive, so the jews makes attractive socialism the road that leads there.

>>536138035
So you didn't pay your net worth tax last year? I'd tell you my financial situation if you feel it will help you describe yours or support your claim.

>>536138642
>Jews breathe air so I hold my breath

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>>536138622
>By the way, those AI data centres forcing you to sell your land are literally doing it via government enforcement
YES, THAT WAS MY VERY POINT, YOU COLOSSAL DIMWIT. THE RICH NOT-TAX PAYING "LIBERTARIANS" USE THE GOBERMINT AS AN ENFORCEMENT ARM.

>>536138681
Anon, that Contractor squealed on their Income Taxes, not their "Net Worth Taxes". What they paid on their incomes.

>>536138568
>Workers laboring under the sun
Post pics of your work boots with timestamp, comrade.
>>536138622
>AI data centres forcing you to sell your land
How many times has that happened to you or someone you know IRL?

>>536138599
Congratulations, you finally realized that the government doesnt obey its own dictates and that it hoards as much money as it wants, as is always the case. They only steal money from you.

Somehow you try to spin this as meaning statism is good, lmao.

Your IQ is falling through the floor.

>>536138610
Not an argument state parasite.

>>536132812

There is a point at which the capitalist hurts their own business, but they did build it first. My current employer is shedding staff and we have gone back to the drawing board for the majority of our machines just so that we do not collapse in the next 2 years, he readily admits that this is due to his lack of investment and just hiring upper management to do his work so he can draw money from the company and do nothing. Sadly for him his choices were terrible and our competition do not have all of our companies staff and overhead luggage. We'll see if he manages it, its looking likely as he is now listening to his engineering department again and not the finance department

>>536134909
>>536137307
So how do you call non-fiat credits that treasury issues to other nations in exchange for money with the promise to pay it back with bonus but without any printing of money by your own central bank? Is this even a thing?
Can you issue a bond without issuing fiat currency? Or if you issue one you have to issure the other too?
And what happens when a nation buys your bonds under the system you described? Central Bank prints money -> Treasury issues bonds -> someone buys your bonds on the international market -> that nation gets bonds -> Treasury obtains that nation's money ->...
? What happens to newly printed Bank's money?

So now we're all in agreement what's next? You will own nothing and be happy?

>>536138755
Oh, so the state is a mechanism for corporations to use violence to take money and land, this means that... reducing the state is LE BAD and libertarianism is LE BAD.

Brother you can't be helped. Only when the corporatist statist boot comes crashing down into your bottom will you understand.

>>536138806
>What they paid on their incomes.
So if you have evidence that they didn't pay income tax they owed why not report it to the IRS? You can get 15-30% reward for reporting tax fraud.

>>536131688
OP, are you claiming that Thatcher's quote is the fallacy or that taxes destroying money is the fallacy?

Because the MMT view is 100% correct and operationally proven. The government must spend first before anyone else has money. That doesn't mean no one else has any real resources, but *money* comes from the government at origin (private banks who create deposits as loans get their ability to do so from a government charter).

It's so self-evident and it is actually baffling that people try to argue against it.

>>536131688
judaism

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>>536138817
>what happens when privatization money runs out?!
lolberts are just a meme, nigger

>>536138808
The government definitely forces people to sell land either to the government or its corporate cronies, i dont know how common it is but i know they do it.

>>536138880
you will own everything communally. too bad you imported shitskins to prop up your aristocracy, now youre just mutts

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>>536138817
I understand that you have an Economic and Political theory that has about as much relevance to the Real World and how it's functioned forever as My Little Pony.

You are trying to peacefully alter a system that is working EXACTLY the way your heroes want it to work, and dismantling it would be 100% to their detriment, but they will do that because it's "Fair" to you, John Q Poorfag and his crypto pittance.

>>536138953
>>what happens when privatization money runs out?!
What on earth are you talking about? I don't even think you know what you meant by that word salad, it has zero relation to reality, like all commie ideobabble.

Provide an argument or fuck off parasite.

>>536136311
>why don't you tank your economy with socialism??
>LIKE WE DO IN GERMANY

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>>536139043
>What on earth are you talking about?
>lolbert
>ignorant
yeah why do I even bother, have fun

>>536138568
Inequality is inevitable, trying to incorporate a system of violence to reduce it only increases it and in the direction of violence, as history has shown.

>My point is simple. Workers laboring under the sun deserve as much money as workers inside offices, and the workers inside offices deserve more money than the people who live off rent, interest and the ownership of finite resources
Deserve, deserve, deserve, WHY do they deserve? You have not given reason, you have just assumed, emotionally. What do you mean by deserve?

No, you don't 'deserve' anything.

In fact the only thing you 'deserve' is to not have violence initiated against you, everything else is fraud used by socialists to enact violence.

If you initiate violence with your socialism, you deserve to be defended against with force.

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>>536138829
Already answered in previous posts (and you don't understand what you're posting because you haven't studied/learned or read, watched^^^^ what was already provided as education).
Other nations buy, hold other nations' bonds all the time have done for centuries. Under the post-1944 system (and particularly the post-1970s total fiat Financialized present conditions) the new rules apply, same as already explained.
Stop posting. Start reading, studying, watching, learning. The archive.4plebs^^^^ (Federal Reserve) thread has many additional references.

More to follow in subsequent posts here.

brief starter—
Professor Werner brilliantly explains how the banking system and financial sector really work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC0G7pY4wRE

>>536139157
>Talks incoherent nonsense with no meaning
>HA! You didn't get my nonsense, no i will not explain it, I will now run away.
Common commie tactic, L

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>>536139364
>Professor Werner brilliantly explains how the banking system and financial sector really work

Here's the July 2025 full 170 minute interview with Richard Werner, he explains slowly and normie-friendly how the worldwide banking system and central banks function in our everyday life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTKHskg5Tg

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/511622826


*First, watch the two documentaries 'The Money Deluge' and '97% Owned' in post # 536133920 <--*
Once you've digested those, then get into this epic Richard Werner interview. (More references at the archive ^thread)

>>536139004
>I understand that you have an Economic and Political theory that has about as much relevance to the Real World and how it's functioned forever as My Little Pony.
It is the correct theory, i'm not trying to trick you, if it was incorrect i would abandon the theory to the trash immediately.

The first principle is, the intitiation of violence is wrong, it is both morally wrong and destructive. The state is the organized initiation of violence.

Thus, in theory, on average, the more state there is, the more evil, violent, poor and destructive a society must be. The less state there is, the more peaceful, prosperous, wealthier the society must be.

When we look at history for evidence, we see the theory proven over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, no matter how many times people repeat their evil errors.

>>536139298
>In fact the only thing you 'deserve' is to not have violence initiated against you
This says more about you than anything
I believe I deserve just as much as anybody else, and people who think they deserve substantially less or more than others are deluded through propaganda

>>536139584
Werner is actually a proponent of MMT and a rather aggressive interventionist. Princes of the Yen was all about how the government needs to involve itself in making sure state-created money goes to the right places to keep production of goods, services, and improved infrastructure high and inflation low.

Capitalists when an airline hasn't been bailed out in 5 minutes

>>536138922
>The government creates money because the government creates money
This is circular logic. If private banks created money, the government would not have to spend money for people to have money.

>>536131688
the entire reason why central baking exists is to do exactly this. privatize the profits and socialize the losses.

>>536139779
>proponent of MMT
May we see where?

>Princes of the Yen
No it was not about "needs to involve itself" RW advocates for small community banks as where the majority of central bank 'new money' needs to be circulated through/allocated. Werner merely says that we need to de-centralize all banking and especially from governments being subordinate to private central banks, he is voluminous about it in his research and output.
Per usual (You) have *zero* concept or notion what you're posting about

Fuck off MMT *clueless* brainlet shill.

>>536139842
No, the logic is not circular. Money comes from the government at ORIGIN. It's stamp is what makes it money.

Private banks exist because the government has made a determination, whether we agree or disagree with it, that certain functions will be left to the private sector. And so you need a lower order institution to service those needs.

>>536139712
What? You think you deserve to be able to steal others shit with violence, simply because you exist? And then you clowns will call us selfish greedy propagandists. You are greedy and violent parasites, we are extremely peaceful producers and builders of civilization.

Go to North Korea immediately so you can get everything you think you deserve, i'll pay for your one way plane ticket.

>>536139842
Anon, that's an MMT flerf shill. Ignore it / do not engage

>>536139995
If the government has the monopoly on money, yes, which has shown to be a disaster. Are you saying that private banks can't create money? Because that is false it has been done many times.

>>536139947
His main contention was that MITI's influence and role was sidelined and minimized and that the central bank -- on behalf of private, non-government actors -- was inflating asset prices of existing things instead of keeping production high.

It's a textbook MMT argument. Follow it to its logical conclusion. This is why MMT argues for a job guarantee, it's why MMT argues for ZIRP, etc.

>>536131688
What drives is rich people paying other people to regurgitate it until enough people fall for it.
It’s cheaper to gaslight enough people into believing giving poor whites money to survive is the devil, than it is to pay people properly.

>>536140094
Private banks create what, in our system? They create deposits as loans, denominated in what currency? US dollars. So their ability to do so comes from a government-granted charter.

We actually use to have it in the US, back in the day, where you had various regional banks would issue their own notes or whatever and it was a predictable disaster with all the expected problems of needing a bank that would recognize it.

>>536140095
Shut the fuck up, brainlet none of that is true (or RW's contention). My post replied to covers his thrust wrt how central banks ought function in service of a sovereign nation's money supply and banking, it's exceedingly simple : Decentralize, the smaller community banks are to be the core of a nation's monetary interactions and money creation.
Begone, flerfer.

>>536131688
Money is fake and printed out of thin air by the Judeo-calvinist banks.