The most common criticism of Christianity on this board is that it is a foreign religion, a Jewish cult imposed on Europeans. This argument sounds devastating until you examine it for thirty seconds. Here is why it fails. First: your ancestors were not forced to convert at swordpoint. That is Protestant Enlightenment propaganda. The conversion of Europe took centuries because the Church insisted on voluntary baptism. The Franks, the Irish, the Saxons, the Norse, the Slavs. Every people chose Christianity freely, over generations, because it was TRUE and because it made them better. They knew paganism from the inside. You only know it from a Wikipedia article.Second: Christianity is not Judaism. The Old Covenant was preparation for the Messiah. When He came, that covenant was fulfilled and completed. Modern rabbinic Judaism is a post-Temple religion built on rejecting Christ. They are not the same thing. The Church is the New Israel, open to all nations. For 1500 years the visible center of Christendom was Rome, not Jerusalem. Third: the civilizational argument. Christian Europe produced universities, hospitals, the abolition of slavery, the scientific method, cathedrals, polyphony, human rights grounded in the Imago Dei. Pagan Europe produced human sacrifice, thralldom, blood feud, and a pantheon whose chief god got eaten by a wolf. The tree is known by its fruit. If Christianity is a Jewish slave religion, explain Notre Dame. Explain the Summa Theologica. Explain why every barbarian people that accepted the faith built a civilization and every people that rejected it remained illiterate until someone brought them a Bible. The real question is not why Europeans became Christian. It is why anyone who claims to love European civilization would abandon the faith that built it.
>>536144118>The Massacre of Verden was an event during the Saxon Wars where the Frankish king Charlemagne ordered the death of 4,500 Saxons in October 782. Charlemagne claimed suzerainty over Saxony and in 772 destroyed the Irminsul, an important object in Saxon paganism, during his intermittent thirty-year campaign to Christianize the Saxons. The massacre occurred in Verden in what is now Lower Saxony, Germany. The event is attested in contemporary Frankish sources, including the Royal Frankish Annals.
>>536144118Theodosius I
>>536144118>First: your ancestors were not forced to convert at swordpointyeah its called being lied too.>Second: Christianity is not Judaism.What like worshiping YHWH and the king of the jews and all their fairy tales like Adam and Eve and Noah's arc?
>>536144118Look at the case of Iceland. They bribed the king with church resources, and promised not to outlaw the regional religions. 5 years after the king agreed to that, they, like jews, went back on their word and outlawed regional spiritual practices. Under punishment of death. Your suggestion that this is not coercive only makes you look foolish.
>>536144118>The most common criticism of Christianity on this board is that it is a foreign religion, a Jewish cult imposed on Europeans.correct nigger none of your jewish pilpul matters
If Europe was still pagan we would of went to the Moon in the 800CEs
>>536144327\n>>536144492\n>>536144514\nVerden: Charlemagne was a Frankish king putting down a Saxon rebellion, not a bishop enforcing doctrine. The Church never taught forced conversion. Rulers did ruler things, same as pagan rulers did. If Charlemagne's sins disprove Christianity, then every pagan chief who practiced human sacrifice disproves paganism. You do not judge a faith by the worst actions of its political adherents. You judge it by its actual teaching.\n"Lied to": Christianity spread first among slaves, women, and the poor. The people with the least power in the Roman Empire. What were they being bribed with? Lions? If it was a con, it was the worst con in history. It promised persecution in this life and treasure in the next. People believed it because they saw Christians die forgiving their killers, and they knew that was not natural.\nIceland: You are describing political maneuvering between a king and his nobles. That is not the Church's teaching. That is medieval politics. The faith spread in Iceland the same way it spread everywhere else: people encountered it, recognized it was true, and chose it.\nTo the YHWH point: yes, Christians worship the God of Abraham. Christ IS that God incarnate. The Jews who rejected their own Messiah walked away from the covenant. The Church did not. The Old Testament is not Jewish mythology. It is the pre-history of the Church. There is a reason the Jews stopped producing prophets after Malachi and the next voice was John the Baptist pointing at Christ.
>>536144118Charlemagne and the Saxons.
>>536144118You are lying.
Hail BrigidHail An Morrigan, The Great QueenChristianity will be remembered as a fleeting embarrassment. The gods persist to this day. And a new cycle begins.
>>536144118https://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/06/christian-atrocities-three-centuries-of-pagan-persecution/
>>536144327yes, Charlemagne wiped out a group that wouldn't get with the times.This in no way invalidates OP
>>536144715this is an exxageration, you cannot say how it would have ended with paganism
Jesus was a literal jewish rabbi. He called all us non jews dogs. He said he came to turn fathers against sons and mothers against daughters so that a man's enemies will be from his own household. He says that salvation is of the jews. The bible was written entirely by jews, stars jews, and takes places in a goddamn desert. It was the original psyop of the ancient world designed to ensure Rome lost its spirit of strength by subverting their kin selection. Now all these years later christcucks have held onto the desert death cult with this deranged sense that they are somehow based for willingly getting into and staying within the semitic spiritual playpen. Egalitarianism is the great lie started by christcucks. Then secular liberal humanists came along as a reactionary force and made the notion of equality before God as equality before the State and further subverted the kin selection of their people just like their not so distant cousins the christcucks did centuries earlier. All this has led to the absolute state of the West in the current year.
>Your ancestors chose ChristTheir ancestors chose our gods, and I choose our gods.Fuck off.
>>536144885Kys golem
>>536144740>putting down a Saxon rebellionyou incurious retard, you just wrote off a 30 year christianization campaign as "I dunno probably something entirely different" because you didn't like the sound of it.well the frankish chronicles were damn proud of it, especially the part about destroying sacred groves and beheading anyone who didn't submit to christ, and you're engaging in blatant historical revisionism.
>>536144118Christianity, formalized in the middle ages, is nothing more than a consolidation of power to the hands of a few.
The reign of the jews and their subversive religions is coming to an end.Hail Lugh
Anyone ever notice in threads where people rightfully scrutinize the jewish origins of Christianity that rarely if ever do people push back against them with facts, they usually default just calling you a jew, jeet, and or tranny.
>>536144910Kys golem
>>536144885>OP: the Saxons, the Norse, the Slavs. Every people chose Christianity freely, over generations, because it was TRUE and because it made them better>reality: Charlemagn conducted a thirty year war with the explicit purpose of Christianizing the Saxons, destroying their sacred groves and beheading thousands of nobles to refused to submit to Christbut that doesn't invalidate OP?christ does not exist without truth
>>536144118There's no credible evidence indicating the existence of God/thread
I love Jesus Christ
>>536145157Well, the gods understand that as your love for your creator and a desire to connect with the spiritual. It's not your fault you've been brainwashed by a dogmatic jewish control model. But hopefully you will come out of it one day if spiritual growth is fated for you.
>>536145145>i tried to measure something that operates entirely outside of physical reality with a hylic materialist system that was invented by atheistic judeo-freemasons during the french revolution and didn't find God with it so God doesn't existYour intellect is truly bewildering, we can only hope to be as enlightened as you one day.
>>536145102Ad hominems are all the desert death cult subscribers have. They are spiritually lobotomized weasels who genuinely walk around with their heads held high thinking they are based. It's hysterically comical and sad at the same time.
>>536145282I literally used to be a militantly anti-theist and then later an O9Atranny brother, it's not like I've never seen my faith from the outside before.
there is nothing about christianity that makes me want to become a christian. i don't get it. jesus seemed like a faggot
>>536145294>>i tried to measure something that operates entirely outside of physical reality with a hylic materialist system that was invented by atheistic judeo-freemasons during the french revolutionthis is true, when I used imperial units I found Him immediately
>>536145102Indeed.
>>536144118You are so far below me it’s not even funny.
>>536145475You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>536145371Well anti-theists are crazy people. God, or a creator, is proven by the impossibility of the contrary.
>>536145526>>536145592Behold thee glorey ov the wehrvulf wiking drengr berserker namefag behind these obsessive, borderline schizophrenic anti-Christian posts.
>>536145690>God, or a creator, is disproven by the impossibility of the contraryWorks both ways
>>536145762Rent free :^)
>>536144935 >>536144970 >>536145139 To the Jesus-is-a-Jew argument: the Canaanite woman you cite as proof Jesus hated gentiles is the exact passage that disproves you. He tests her faith, she passes, He heals her daughter and praises her. The whole point is that the outsider is brought IN. That pattern repeats constantly: the Roman centurion, the Samaritan woman, the Good Samaritan. After the resurrection He explicitly sends the apostles to ALL nations. There is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ. Galatians 3:28. You are quoting scripture at me while ignoring what it actually says. Salvation is of the Jews means the Messiah came THROUGH Israel, not that only Jews get saved. Big difference. On Charlemagne: I did not write it off. I said the Church did not teach forced conversion. Charlemagne was a Frankish king fighting a thirty-year border war against Saxons who were raiding his territory, burning churches, and killing missionaries. The religious component was real. The political component was also real. Kings do not act as bishops. The fact that his chroniclers bragged about destroying groves no more makes it Church teaching than pagan chroniclers bragging about human sacrifice makes that a permanent indictment of paganism. My claim was that the Church's DOCTRINE never mandated forced conversion. That is historically true. Individual rulers doing ruler things does not refute it.
>>536145806Clean your mirror you sloppy bastard
>>536145851Who's mirror?
From what I can tell Jesus is a pagan solar deity mixed in with judaic Saturn worship.
>>536145592here's another one who tried to meter what he should have fathomed instead
>>536145929>hurt feelings Kek
>>536145409simping for chinless asian popstars is a better path?
>>536145774Well that doesn't make any sense. You are suggesting cause and effect ceases at some point, outside of supernatural dynamics. Out of blind faith. As logical beings, we can only conclude logically.
>>536145916 That is the Zeitgeist thesis and it has been demolished by actual historians, including atheist ones like Bart Ehrman. The supposed parallels between Jesus and pagan deities (Horus, Mithras, Dionysus) are either fabricated or so generic they apply to anyone. Born of a virgin? Isis was not a virgin. Twelve disciples? Horus had four, not twelve. Crucified and resurrected? Mithras was never crucified; he emerged fully formed from a rock. Dying and rising gods appear across cultures because death and rebirth is a universal human theme, not because everyone copied everyone else. Jesus is thoroughly rooted in Second Temple Judaism. His teachings, parables, ethics, context, and the entire theological framework of his ministry are Jewish to the core. The Church emerged from a Jewish sect in Jerusalem, not a mystery cult in Alexandria. The first Christians were all Jews who went to their deaths proclaiming a resurrected Messiah. Jews do not die for pagan sun gods. They die for things they believe actually happened. If Jesus was just a myth cobbled together from Mithras and Horus, explain why James his own brother was leading the Jerusalem church within years of the crucifixion. You do not die for a brother you never had.
>>536145988>You are suggesting cause and effect ceases at some point. Not really, I'm just not convinced it's your personally favorite cause is all.>As logical beings, we can only conclude logically.Yet your premise is nothing more than a presupposition of God of the gaps
>>536145102>Anyone ever notice in threads where people rightfully scrutinize the jewish origins of Christianity that rarely if ever do people push back against them with facts, they usually default just calling you a jew, jeet, and or tranny.No I can't say that I have actually.In my experience it's usually you guys that rely on Jew jacketing to dismiss criticism.When backed into a corner you always revert to dismissing all nuance as "Jews".
>>536145988He's a doxed shill, there is no point in actually trying to have logical discourse with him because he doesn't actually care about the truth and is literally only here to shitpost.
>>536146097The only supposition I'm making is that effect has a cause. I'm not assigning any other traits to the cause of creation other than intelligence. Because the contrary would mean the laws of physics were produced accidentally. Which is asinine.
>>536145825>the Church did not teach forced conversionno true scotsman fallacycharlemagne was christianity, for all intents and purposesthe pope crowned him Holy Roman Emperorhe is universally recognized as the founder of modern, christian europe's administrative and religious customs, and he did it with fire and sword
>>536146129>He's a doxedI am? Lol, chasing ghosts are you my boy?>don't engage with someone who hurt my feelings!Very leftist of you
>>536144118exactly, Europeans are absolute subhumans that needed to be guided by jews(a highly advanced and moral people in antiquity) in order to achieve anything, we owe jews everything
>>536145762Why do you guys always resort to personal attacks when confronted with the jewish origins of Christianity?
>>536145972that's two posts in a row about your feelingstry less feeling and more thinking
>>536146181>The only supposition I'm making is that effect has a causeIndeed. Yet our universe isn't strictly causal
highly advanced prayers had to be rightfully written over scribble by pedofile cavemen apes like Archimedes otherwise it would've been a waste of paper
>>536146272>that's two posts in a row about your feelingsIndeed. Let me know when you have a legitimate argument instead of being a pissy resectionary at my opinions
>>536145371 Respect. Not many people have the honesty to admit they ran with the O9A crowd and came out the other side. That takes real courage. The anti-theist phase, the occult phase, the larping as darkness. I know that path. It feels like freedom and it is actually chains. You have seen the faith from the outside and from the inside and you chose inside. That is not weakness. That is clarity. If you have not already, go to confession. Not because you need to grovel but because the weight you are still carrying from those years needs to be handed to someone with the authority to lift it. A priest can do that. It is what the sacrament is for. You walked out of the O9A. Walk into a Catholic church. Same courage, different direction. Welcome home.
>>536146279>Indeed. Yet our universe isn't strictly causalAre you thinking of an example within the universe where effect does not have a cause? Or are you begging the question with circular logic here by simply stating your premise as evidence that the premise is valid?
many don't know this but Aristoteles was a caveman(also bit pedofile and sacrificed random people) that just happened to have been taken as a student by jews who taught him advanced physics at the time, thank you jews, our masters
>>536144118
>>536146413What I am saying is our universe operates on probabilities rather than strict, predictable cause-and-effect. In quantum mechanics, events like radioactive decay or quantum tunneling are fundamentally acausal, as they happen randomly without any prior physical trigger
>>536146233Because it's typically all we need to completely delegitimize the entirety of you anti-Christian shills' insinuations.>Christianity has jewish originsThe faith of the ancient Israelites =/= rabbinic/talmudic judaism, and we know now that modern jews are >80% Canaanite genetically rather than being the distinct ethnogroup they're supposed to be. Not doing this again for the billionth time. Alsohttps://www.livescience.com/63396-ancient-israel-immigration-turkey-iran.html
>>536144118>takes everything good that happened in Europe over 1,500 years, stamps it "Christian"Cool sleight of hand, Rabbi.Whether conversion occurred by persuasion, social pressure, political expediency, or military force is irrelevant. A religion becoming dominant doesn't prove it true. Every major religion on Earth has spread successfully. Success is not evidence for your magic Kike, sorry.Reducing thousands of years of multiple cultures to "human sacrifice" and "blood feuds" while treating Christfag Europe as if inquisitions, religious wars, massacres, forced conversions, witch hunts, censorship, and sectarian violence never happened is very Jewish of you. If paganism is judged by its worst examples, then Yeshua worship must be judged by its worst examples, no? You apologists never apply the principle consistently because you know that it's devastating to your dogshit argument.Europe was at its most Christian during long periods of stagnation, persecution, full-on downie ignorance, and endless warfare. If Christianity gets credit for every success, then you better be ready to accept blame for every failure. Christianity didn't build Europe. Europe built Christianity into what you recognise today. Europe already had civilisation. Greeks and Romans had philosophy, logic, maths, political theory, natural inquiry, built roads, cities, legal systems, engineering traditions, administrative institutions. Christcucks inherited that world; they didn't create it.The Church didn't invent literacy, or universities. The Church didn't invent hospitals, or science. Cathedrals prove that Europeans could build cathedrals. Europe's achievements arose from geography, trade, competition between states, inherited Greco-Roman institutions, technological innovation, economic development, and the creativity of millions of white people. Christianity was present during that process, but presence is not causation. Try Christian Africa for size, pleb.
>>536144327>>536144885>>536144838Always hilarious to me when anti-Christians who often espouse pagan or Nietzschean ideology complain about the military successes of Christian kings. Don't you realize that the virtue of pre-Christian Europe was conquest and dominance? "Vae Victis," meaning "woe to the conquered." Mercy for the meek is an explicitly Christian virtue.Every time you complain about losing and implying Charlemagne should have been nicer to the poor pagans, you are appealing to a Christian morality. An ancient Norse or Roman pagan would call you a fag. You lost, and your only cope is to appeal to the morality of your conquerors in an attempt to guilt trip them. This is, hilariously, a highly Jewish tactic.
the so called "Rome of marble" by Augustus is a misnomer: when jewish architects came, Rome was just a bunch of mudhuts with lots f rape and human sacrifice inside: thankfully they set us straight, THANK YOU SAUL AL TARSI, THANK YOU YESHUA BEN YUSEF
>>536146336you're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions>when you have a legitimate argumenta legitimate argument for what, exactly? did you forget that you responded to a shitpost about the metric system? it wasn't even 20 minutes ago, and you can still scroll up and see it again >>536145475I'm sorry that the superiority of base 12 over base 10 confuses and enrages you so much but you're just going to have to learn to cope
>>536146494It is impossible for an effect to not have a cause in our universe. It is not improbable. It is impossible. If it is not, then please provide an example of an effect that has no cause within anything governed by the laws of physics.
>>536146495>modern jews are >80% Canaanite geneticallyThe Isrealites are genetic Canaanites
>>536146106So you must be just willfully blind then. Anytime I have personally made threads about returning to some flavor of European paganism I am bombarded with>kike>saaaar>insert some euro pagan symbol with the rainbow flag around it
>>536144118Nigger last time someone spoke up about converting he got cut into 4 pieces and paraded around by the "saint"
>>536146543>complain about the military successes of Christian kings.Christianity took over using jewish subversion tactics. Do you celebrate the Rothschilds and relish in the genius of the ADL? No. Because they're simply people who used subversion on those with ethics and their guard down. Which is exactly how Christianity spread.
There was a lot of killing too. Don't think they were innocent, but I'm not a "pagan" (Shaivite) because I think Christianity forced itself on my ancestors, I'm a Shaivite because it provides a true path to salvation, it teaches Indo-European values over extreme egalitarianism, and it isn't a closed mystery school hidden behind metaphors. All of the Greek mystery schools had the candidate go through a death and resurrection as an initiation, they all mean the same thing they just take different paths.
And the same saint offered the country to the dead jew's whore mother we basically do not own our country jews do and that's because of a delirious christ kike.
>>536146495So you mental gymnastic your way around the jewish origins of Christianity while still proclaiming jews are bad.See, that's what always gets me about you e-christians.Jews are bad.So therefore Christianity must be bad since its origins lay in jewish mythology>WELL akstually those weren't modern jewsSo ancient jews killed Jesus then, not the ones currently squatting in the region of the world once known as Judea currently known as Israel
>>536146579>you're welcome to your personal feelings and opinionsSee? You almost get it.>>536146594>It is impossible for an effect to not have a cause in our universe. It is not improbable. It is impossibleWell at the subatomic scale, modern physics has proven that the universe does not follow this rule strictly, meaning effects can and do occur without any physical cause.Sorry duder
>>536146370I had my teeth knocked out of my head by the Holy Spirit so to speak, it was really something I can't even hope to fully articulate. I have indeed come home to the Catholic Church and I will die here. As you said the most sinister aspect of diabolism is the way in which it convinces you that your total possession by your most bestial passions and vices is freedom rather than the enslavement of the absolute lowest order and total spiritual destitution that it in actuality is. God bless you brother
>>536144118>Explain why every barbarian people that accepted the faith built a civilization and every people that rejected it remained illiterate until someone brought them a Bible.Demonstrably false.I'll give you an insight (rare for a cesspool like /pol/) but it may be of some value to someone:[1/2]Jews resided in Alexandria. They learned Koine Greek. They translated their holy book into it. They were basically honorary Greeks by the time Christianity was introduced in the former Hellenistic world (now under Roman control). Christianity's sacred text (both Testaments) are in Koine Greek. Its founding fathers were in Alexandria or in other Hellenistic cities. A people is its tongue. The last strike against the Roman empire by its betters (the Greeks) was Christianity. Rome invaded Athens, true. But the conquerors ended up conquered at the end. Graeco-Roman has the same origin story as Islamic-Mughal.
>>536146543so true, the "parcere subiectis" part of the Virgilian Roman motto was added by jewish intellectuals over primitive caveman(pedofile too) Roman European ideas, THANK YOU JEWS
>>536146543>anon says saxons chose christianity>in fact they were forced at swordpoint according to uncontroversial historical records from both sidescalling my neutral correction of OP's mistake of fact a "complaint" shows you are too emotionally invested to learn anything from this thread.for the record, I personally believe charlemagne showed way too much restraint with pagan. kill yourself, cuck.
>>536146524More or less they basically equate Christianity as being why Europeans flourished.I sayWRONG.Europe flourished because its full of Europeans.Christianity has never made African nations flourish, or latin american countries flourish.
>>536144118the real question is: what is a christ?https://www.bitchute.com/video/biSY2OEAuOVz
>>536146755>I have indeed come home to the Catholic ChurchEasier to be a degenerate when you can go and confess, turn around and do it again.
>>536146746Quantum interactions are not uncaused.
>>536146762>Demonstrably false.Shhh. Op doesn't know about China, or Persia, or Japan. They aren't in the Bible.
>>536146762[2/2]Now, for Christians and Muslims and other theists; the world obeys Heavenly orders and get inflicted by demonic forces. For atheists (the ones who brought to you the modern world for the most part), the world obeys natural order (indifferent and predictable) and get exploited by human intellect. Christianity isn't "the One Heavenly Truth," but rather a great product of a highly intelligent class of people; the Greek scholars (Greek by race for the most part but also by culture) of the Hellenistic world. It appealed to Europe because it's ultimately European. That part is true. But what Christians will deny till the day they die, is that it's a product of Europe (the truth), they'd rather present it the other way around (i.e., a universal human-independent word of God that shaped Europe to its greatness).All religions are a product of their creators; the humans that made them. Their origin points often don't tell the full story. Islam, for example, is every part Persian as it's Arabic ... plus other ethnicities in the minority; it's a much more global religion in that sense. Without Christianity and Islam; Greece would have stayed Greece, Rome would have stayed Rome, Persia would have stayed Persia, Arabia would have stayed Arabia. With or without Islam or Christianity, Africa remains Africa. >tl;dr: the history of Creator and creation is told backward in religion.
>>536146746I accept your concession that base 12 is superior to base 10
>>536146734Pharisaic jews killed Jesus (as did Romans, because the entire world did, though it was pharisaic jews who instigated it). Pharisaic judaism was essentially the result of the Israelites racemixing with the Canaanites en masse and adopting their Saturnian mythos and mystery cults (which was an extremely dire turning point in the bible) and exposure to Babylonian demonology during the captivity period. The Essenes for example were radically different from the pharisees and one can easily see that they held much more closely to the original Israelite faith than the latter, to the point one could almost mistake them as being early Christians.
>>536146755>I have indeed come home to the Catholic Church and I will die hereOkWhen will your jew direct protestants to the catholic church? Or does he only direct special boys and girls such as yourself?
>>536146850Here are some examples>Radioactive Decay: If you isolate a single atom of Uranium-238, it will eventually decay by emitting radiation. However, there is absolutely no physical cause or trigger that determines why it decays at one precise second rather than another. Two identical atoms in identical environments can decay at completely different times without any internal or external differences.>Vacuum Fluctuations: In empty space, virtual particles constantly pop into and out of existence. This phenomenon, which causes measurable effects like the Casimir effect, occurs spontaneously out of the quantum vacuum without any prior physical cause.
>>536146755God bless you too brother. I'm so glad you found God in all that mess.
>>536146909>I accept your concessionYou're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions :^)
>>536144118XNITY PRIMERhttp://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1a-9eWjZWH-6uUOcRFJ4hFsgB2vOhdZZfgoogle drive easy to use interface
>>536144118>Your ancestors chose Christ. They were not conquered by Him.Ever heard of the first christian emperor>hello my name is constantine, and I've been obsessed with jewish fairy tales so much that I made sure every roman citizen was a good goy, noahide, non genocidal towards jews and celebrated shabbat with them, I also destroy the roman's paganism and built churces with a dead jew on a cross so everyone can be more tolerant, I also made sure the currency was centralized and only government issued totally not a jewish thing!
>>536146799>African nations flourish>or latin american countries flourish>wears crucifix>machetes neighbour over suspected goblin usage>wears crucifix>cuts someone's head off with a chainsaw over small drug debtThis is what Christianity is when you take away the white man
>>536146911>Pharisaic judaism was essentially the result of the Israelites racemixing with the Canaanites en masseNot really, it was a religious, social, and legal movement that arose in the 2nd century BCE as a response to Hellenization, not racial intermixing
>>536146945Both examples misunderstand quantum mechanics. Radioactive decay follows the deterministic evolution of an atom's quantum wave function, with the exact timing governed by probabilistic rules set by the uncertainty principle and the atom's energy state. Identical atoms share the same probability distribution, much like coin flips have causes even if the outcome is unpredictable. Vacuum fluctuations arise directly from the Heisenberg uncertainty principle in quantum field theory, where the vacuum's nonzero zero point energy produces virtual particles. In both cases the effects have clear physical causes rooted in quantum laws. Quantum indeterminism is not the same as having no cause at all.
>>536146755 God bless you brother. You walked out of the O9A and into the Church. That is not the easy path. That is the narrow gate. Ghost of Mesa at >>536146845 can sneer about confession all he wants but the sacrament exists precisely because Christ knew we would fall and need to get back up. The pagan alternative is no forgiveness at all. Mesa's gods do not forgive. They demand. Christ forgives. That is the difference between a master and a Father. On Constantine at >>536146986: he legalized Christianity. He did not mandate it. The Edict of Milan in 313 AD granted religious tolerance to all faiths. Pagan temples continued to operate for decades. Theodosius made Christianity the state religion in 380 AD, nearly seventy years later, and even then pagan practice continued in the countryside for centuries. The conversion of Europe was slow, bottom-up, and cultural long before it was political. Slaves and women converted first. The elites came last. That is the opposite of a top-down imposition. To the civilization argument: Europe flourished because of Europeans AND Christianity. Take away the faith and you have paganism, which produced exactly what I described. Take away the Europeans and you have Christian Ethiopia which preserved its independence against Muslim conquest for over a thousand years and built rock-hewn churches you could not build today. The tree bears fruit where it is planted. It bore the most fruit in Europe.
>>536144118So the crusades were not real?You idiot
>>536146911>The Essenes for example were radically different from the pharisees and one can easily see that they held much more closely to the original Israelite faith than the latter, to the point one could almost mistake them as being early Christians.Nopejewsus admitted to his followers that the pharisees sat in the seat of moshe (position of authority) and because of that his followers had to obey every pharisaic teaching.Matthew 23:1-3>Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples: 'The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. >So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
>>536147083 The Crusades were real. They were also a defensive response to four centuries of Islamic military expansion that had already conquered two-thirds of the Christian world by 1095. The First Crusade was called because the Byzantine Emperor begged for help against the Seljuk Turks who were at the gates of Constantinople. It was not a mission to convert pagans at swordpoint. It was an attempt to reclaim Christian territory taken by Muslim conquest. Yes atrocities happened on both sides. War is war. But the narrative of the Crusades as a random unprovoked Christian rampage is Protestant Enlightenment propaganda that ignores the preceding four hundred years of Islamic jihad. The Church's teaching against forced conversion remained in place throughout. You are mad about a version of history that exists only in high school textbooks.
>>536147054>Radioactive decay follows the deterministic evolution of an atom's quantum wave functionIt depends on the interpretation of quantum mechanics you use. While the Schrödinger equation itself is deterministic, how we interpret the resulting wave function changes whether the exact decay event is predetermined or truly random
>>536144118Frankly I'm just window shopping
>>536147189Neither predetermination or randomness implies non-causal dynamics.
>>536147060>Christ knew we would fall and need to get back up.Go and sin no more. Yet what you lot do is use confession as a loop hole to continue being degenerate
>>536147230 You have it exactly backwards. A valid confession requires genuine contrition: sorrow for sin and a firm purpose of amendment. If you walk into the confessional planning to sin again, the sacrament is invalid. You are not fooling God. You are lying to yourself. That is not a loophole. That is sacrilege. The saints went to confession frequently not because they were degenerates but because they examined their consciences with the precision of a surgeon and confessed even small failures. Compare the alternatives. Your pagan gods offer no forgiveness at all. No path back after you fall. No reconciliation. You fail once and you stay failed. That is not high moral standards. That is a system designed to produce despair. Christ offers both forgiveness AND the command to go and sin no more. Grace and demand together. The demonic trap has two jaws. On one side: presumption, treating confession as a license. On the other: despair, believing you are too far gone to be forgiven. Both serve the same enemy. The Catholic answer is neither. It is humility: kneeling down, admitting the truth about yourself, and getting back up with the help of God. That takes more courage than pretending you do not fail at all. Pride is the original sin. Confession is the antidote. You are defending pride and calling it virtue.
>>536146543>complain about the military successeswe complain that you're retarded hypocrites. fortunately, the pendulum is swinging the other way now.
>>536146845>Easier to be a degenerate when you can go and confess, turn around and do it again.Yep. Christianity only appeals to narcissists. It's no different than saying "I'm polysexual" as a cover for your inability to consider or give a shit about other people's feelings. Normal people make a mistake and they feel the shame, the guilt, the pain that sparks growth and change. Narcissists like the fact that they can fuck up, walk in to a box, tell a paedo in a dress what's been happening for 5 minutes and then be blessed, forgiven, cured. No need to change, no need to grow, no need to learn. They refuse to accept responsibility for their actions because muh Jesus Christ is now responsible for them. He died for their sins, and forgave them through the intermediary of Father O'Boyfucker. If you want to be a real human being, try being responsible for your actions and not running away and praying away the fact that you're an insufferable, horrible cunt who constantly ruins people's lives i.e. most Christian converts.
>>536147222Our universe is causal in key respects (especially relativistic causality), but it deviates from the classical, deterministic "strict causality" of Newtonian physics. The distinction matters.
>>536147449>You have it exactly backwardsNot really. It's what you lot do in practice
>>536146964why did you keep calling objective facts opinions? it makes you look like a moron.
>>536147455This anon gets it
>>536146543You didn’t win through strength. You abused the Mathew effect which came with more centralization of power while paganism and Nietzsche thrive in decentralization and anarchy. Christfucks recruited all the Eric Hoffer true believers under 1 banner while before they were spread out among many pagan cults, preventing a ‘spearhead’ from coalescing. Also, Christfucktianity would never have succeeded without the delusional disciples of Jesus spreading rumors and those miraculously surviving like winning the lottery. And don’t forget another instance of luck - Constantine’s dream that he interpreted as a divine sign. It might have even be the loser ghost of Jesus doing posthumous damage control.
>>536147529>objective factsSuch as?
>>536147060>He did not mandate itIf you lived long enough in this world, you'd realize the true intentions behinds acts or not depending on how free minded you are.Nobody forced islam in the uk but who's favoring muslims by giving them free housing, welfare to make more kids?The state, the same thing constantine did, he elevated christians and gave them tax breaks, funding and special privileges, you would known the last one if you actually read the edict of milan.He also stripped pagan temples of gold to build churches so you're wrong on that
>>536147496 >>536147455 >>536147531 Ghost you moved the goalposts. First you said confession IS a loophole. I refuted that with the actual theology. Now you say Catholics abuse it in practice. Every good thing can be abused. Medicine can be abused. Marriage can be abused. The existence of abuse does not invalidate the thing itself. The Church condemns presumption. Read the Catechism. Bad Catholics exist. That is an argument against bad Catholics, not against the sacrament Christ instituted. To the narcissism charge: confession is the opposite of narcissism. Narcissism cannot admit fault. It cannot kneel. It cannot speak its sins aloud to another person and accept judgment. Confession requires exactly the shame and guilt >>536147455 describes, but it offers a path through it rather than leaving you stuck in it forever. That is not a loophole. That is a door. Your position, Ghost, is moral self-sufficiency: I do not need forgiveness because I do not fail in ways that require it. That is not virtue. That is pride wearing a different costume. The same pride that got Lucifer thrown out of heaven. Confession is the antidote. You are defending the disease.
>>536147656>Ghost you moved the goalpostsNope
>>536147559you're really forgetful aren't youtry following the backlinks, I believe you can do it
>>536147729Like I said, let me know when you have a legitimate argument.
>>536147779a legitimate argument for what, exactly?you could not answer that question
>>536147932>a legitimate argument for what, exactly?Whatever you meant by >>536147529>objective facts
>>536147449Sale of indulgences, anyone? You belong to an offshoot of Judaism that will upgrade your beyond the grave package in exchange for earthly gold. This has never changed. You are a narcissist, and a needy one at that. Ex alchie? Druggie? General piece of shit? You still are. Now you're just scamming yourself, instead of other people.I understand why it makes you feel better to imagine there's a magic Kike zombie who thinks you're very special and is looking after you and absorbing all the bad things you did like some kind of retard-sponge for the terminally incapable, but it's not real. What's real is you, here, now, manning up and taking some responsibility for your life and your actions instead of palming them off on some full grown man in a frock who tells you to rub magic beads and hail a magic virgin. Try change and growth instead of running in to the arms of Jewish mythology like a complete fucking mental breakdown schizo. The only person you need to confess to is yourself. The TRUTH.
>>536147656>Read the CatechismtopkekDoes the catechism have an answer for why the dead jew hasn't directed the majority of protestants and orthodox christcucks to the catholic church?
>>536144885you people are demonic retards
>>536144118I’m not reading that
>>536145981yeah it's less gayjerking off to women is less gay than following a some jew
>>536148027I see, my supposed illegitimate arguments were merely hallucinations on your part.
>>536148055He actually is, because Catholics outnumber protestants in both Northern Ireland and Gen Z in the US for the first time in history now. New conversions among our youth to Christianity is now overwhelmingly to Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy. I haven't kept up with demographic news elsewhere but it's likely the same. No one ever said satan couldn't deceive people, he even sent his own apostle Luthifer into the world to do precisely that. We all possess the gift of discernment and are called to use it.
>>536148295>my supposed illegitimate argumentsDid you have a legitimate one? No?
>>536148342>number of third world immigrants goes up>number of catholics goes upwoah
>>536148203I'd just like you to know that for a fraction of a second I glimpsed the vague outline of your licentious, whorish image and hid it without actually looking at it. Satan catches another L as always.
>>536144118>not forced>literal Northern CrusadesFuck off christcuck
>>536148449Kek>>536148477Data shows what notorious liars you lot really are
>>536144118>choseConstantine forced everyone into Christianity and destroyed all the old pagan temples or converted them into churches and adopted already-popular Pagan holidays/rituals into Christian feasts or holidays in order to spread it falsely
>>536148477>I glimpsed the vague outlineTime to pluck out your eye as per the Bible
>>536148342You're talking about spics, I know this from experience. >t Gen Z
>>536148425we never got around to arguing, that's what I've been trying to explain to youI said you metered when you should have fathomedI never got around to making an argument for the inferiority of metric vis a vis theological and epistemological matters, because you immediately started having an emotional breakdown which precluded all possibility of topical discussion.are you caught up now?would you like to have a productive discussion? or are you going to piss on my consistent good faith and patience once again like a middled aged man who hasn't talked about something new since high school?
>>536144118Nope, they were forced to it. That's how jewery always works
>>536147136>It was not a mission to convert pagans at swordpoint.The Baltics would say otherwise.
>>536147529>why did you keep calling objective facts opinions?>>536148854I'm still waiting what these objective facts are that you mentioned
>>536148805I'm a zoomer as well, in a >97% White county, and the same holds true for the White youth here. Exceptionally few are converting to protestantism, they're almost all coming to orthodoxy.
>>536148342>He actually isprotestants and orthodox are roughly 1/2 of christcucks so that's not happening.e-christcucks are very similar to discord trannies that believe their group is rapidly expanding but their "feelings" aren't actually accurate. lmao
>>536148963>Same holds true for the White youthI highly doubt it but my experience might be different than yours because I live in the South. Catholic hate is practically a Southern tradition.
How come there are thousands of posts per day attacking Christ, but I have yet to see a single pagan poster explain exactly which pagan deities we're supposed to believe in, why, how to worship them, etc. What you pagans are really missing here is beauty. It's what drawing so many thousands into the church right now.
>>536148125Anglo-Saxon and Celt, btw
>>536148963And a lot of people here don't even know what orthodoxy is, I should add.
>>536149035Catholics /are/ orthodox, and Eastern Orthodox /are/ Catholic strictly speaking. Eastern Orthodoxy literally believes they're the unchanged Catholic Church. We recognize EO as having legitimate apostolic succession, we're divided by schism not heresy.
>>536148054 Indulgences: the abuse of selling them was real and wrong. Luther was right to protest it. The Council of Trent agreed with him and reformed the practice. So you are attacking a 16th century abuse that the Church itself corrected four hundred and fifty years ago. The doctrine of indulgences is not buying salvation. It addresses the temporal consequences of sin that remain after forgiveness. If you break your neighbor's window and he forgives you, you still have to fix the window. That is what indulgences address. They were never a price tag on grace. Now for the core of your argument. You say confess to yourself. That is the most dangerous lie in this thread. You cannot forgive yourself. If you could, guilt would be solved by willpower. It is not. That is why people carry things for decades. You need to hear from outside yourself, from someone with authority, that you are forgiven. Walking into a confessional, kneeling, and speaking your sins aloud is the single most responsible act a person can perform. You call it palming off responsibility. I call it the only thing that actually works. You mock the Rosary and the Blessed Mother. That is fine. Mockery is not argument. The Rosary is meditative prayer on the life of Christ. Mary is the mother He gave to John from the cross and through John to all of us. You are clearly intelligent and you are clearly angry. That anger comes from somewhere. I do not know what happened to you but I know the person you are really angry at is not me. The door is open if you ever want to walk through it instead of throwing stones from outside.
>>536149266>You mock the Rosary and the Blessed MotherNeither of which have anything to do with salvation. It's just idolatry
>>536149326 Idolatry is worship. Catholics do not worship Mary. We honor her because Scripture commands it: all generations will call me blessed (Luke 1:48). That is Mary speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Is the Spirit promoting idolatry? The Hail Mary is mostly scripture. Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee (Luke 1:28). Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb (Luke 1:42). The second half asks her to pray for us. Asking someone to pray for you is not worship. If I ask you to pray for me am I worshipping you? Mary does not add to salvation. She points to her Son. Her last recorded words in scripture: Do whatever He tells you (John 2:5). That is not distraction. That is the exact opposite. Christ gave her to John from the cross: Behold your mother (John 19:27). Through John He gave her to all of us. Rejecting her is rejecting His gift. The earliest Marian prayer dates to the third century, long before any medieval corruption. Honor is not worship. Love is not idolatry. Read the text.
>>536149199NopeAccording to multiple popes, there isn't salvation outside the roman catholic church. So the EO are le heckin heretics just like protestants>Pope Innocent III (A.D. 1198 – 1216): “With our hearts we believe and with our lips we confess but one Church, not that of the heretics, but the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside which we believe that no one is saved.”>Pope Pius IX (A.D. 1846 – 1878): “It must be held by faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church, no one can be saved; that this is the only ark of salvation; that he who shall not have entered therein will perish in the flood.”
>>536149096>which pagan deities we're supposed to believe in, why, how to worship them, etc.You wonder this because you are conditioned to think of spirituality as a hierarchical jewish subversion model. Our ancestral spiritual traditions are not a dogmatic book of rigid bylaws and edicts. Your communion with the gods can simply be a walk in nature, which you likely already feel fulfilled in doing. You just don't recognize it for what it is. As far as what gods and goddesses you're supposed to believe in, why not all of them? It doesn't mean you commune with them. The Dead Sea Scrolls version of Deuteronomy even attested to this being a fact. These gods exist. And they want to interact with the ethnic peoples allotted to them. There's no reason to believe they don't exist. So believe in them. If you are drawn to a particular one, or set of them, then be drawn. That's usually how it happens.
>>536149378>Idolatry is worship. Catholics do not worship Mary.You do. You kneel down to statues of her and supplement Jesus with her and Saints.
>>536144118People have no meaningful ability to choose something that is socioculturally dominant around them People are Christian if they grew up where Christianity is socioculturally dominant. If Islam is they are Muslim, if Hindu is dominant they are Hindu. This never changes anywhere any you will refuse to understand this and keep pretending there is ever any choiceThe only people who truly believe in anything at all are those who arrive at it themselves
>>536149378>. If I ask you to pray for me am I worshipping you?Do you build statues of me and kneel before me? No. You're conflating fellowship with Idolatry
>>536148905This. Also, why did the crusaders sack Constantinople? It was inhabited by fellow Christians after all. Bunch of hypocrites. No, the problem is mankind itself. Regardless of religion, we are a bloodthirsty, powerhungry species. Religion is often only a means to an end, and that is to gain power over fellow man. Until we evolve from that primitive mindset, we will remain mentally in the stone age and never leave this dustball. Maybe it's better that way.
>>536144118lies>>536144492all christkikes do is lie
>>536149474 >>536149524 Ghost, kneeling is not worship. You kneel to propose to your wife. You do not worship her. You kneel before a king. You do not worship him. The posture expresses honor and reverence. Worship is an interior act of the will, not a physical position. Catholic theology has distinguished latria (worship due to God alone), dulia (honor due to saints), and hyperdulia (special honor for Mary) for over a thousand years. The statue is a visual aid. You do not worship a photograph of your dead mother. You honor her. Same principle. The Israelites built statues of cherubim on the Ark of the Covenant at God's direct command (Exodus 25:18). Were they worshipping angels? No. The prohibition is against worshipping false gods through images, not against images themselves. As for supplementing Jesus: asking Mary or a saint to pray for you is not supplementing Him any more than asking a friend to pray for you is. Prayer is not a zero-sum game. The Body of Christ includes the living and the dead. The saints in heaven are more alive than we are. They are not dead. They are perfected. Asking them to intercede is simply asking members of your family who are closer to the throne to put in a word. That is not supplementation. That is family.
>>536149266>the Blessed MotherThis is why you're mentally ill. You think a young, virgin, peasant girl being raped by a Jewish god is "blessed". There was no consent here, he simply Epstein'd his own avatar of himself in to her and then forced her without any option to raise her own rapist. Your god has a step-dad who he himself cucked, and who, according to your Bible, had to circumcise your god-baby-avatar when he was 8 days fresh from coming out of his raped wife's vagina. This is not bizarre to you. This is divine and blessed. Wow, can I join your club?
>>536149486 >>536149433 Two different arguments. Determinism first. If people only believe what they grew up with, explain the first Christians. They were all Jews. Judaism was socioculturally dominant around them. They abandoned it for a crucified carpenter. Explain the conversion of the Roman Empire from within. Paganism was dominant. It lost. Explain the convert in this thread who walked out of the O9A. Explain me. I was raised in a secular household. No one dragged me to Mass. I walked in on my own. Your determinism is a convenient story you tell yourself to avoid the uncomfortable possibility that people might have good reasons for what they believe. On extra ecclesiam nulla salus: the Church teaches that salvation comes through Christ and through His Church because the Church is His Body. It does NOT teach that only card-carrying baptized Catholics in good standing are saved. The Catechism says those who through no fault of their own do not know Christ or His Church but seek God with a sincere heart and try to do His will may be saved. That includes the Orthodox, who have valid sacraments and apostolic succession. The doctrine is about the necessity of the Church as the ordinary means of salvation, not a legalistic checklist. God is not bound by the sacraments. We are. There is a difference.
It's a desert cult that jews tricked the majority of the world into worshipping. "God" is just a mishmash of multiple gods from multiple semitic religions. The jews just cut them up and stapled together the parts that benefitted them and made gentiles (goyim) inferior.
>>536148342>American Gen Z are all brown shitskins from Mexico>majority catholic Really makes you think.
>>536145102all christkikes do is lie
>>536149565>kneeling is not worship.I didn't say it was. Try less strawman next time. >Asking them to intercede is simply asking members of your family who are closer to the throne to put in a word. That is not supplementation.Except it is >Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.Intercession is supplementing Jesus
>>536149580>Explain the conversion of the Roman Empire from within.Nta, but the jews successfully subverted the Roman army with this model, in Constantine's only recourse was to commandeer the faith in order to control it more. Here's Hippolytus to explain the subversion dynamic destroying the Roman military.
>>536149443Ancient pantheons were hierarchical : Zeus and Odin were the kings of the other gods , and things were more complicated than " connect with nature "
>>536149650He's obviously brown himself, no-one white shills this hard for Jew religions unless they're making money out of cretins on YouTube. To do it for free on 4chan, you have to be #3d251e
>>536146543Charlesmagne killed europeans who refuses to convert because he was not a real christian. He was a pagan larping as a christian for his own socioeconomic benefit. He approached the problem in the pagan way, just like most medieval christians did. Real christian values only truly replaced older pagan euro values more recently and the result was the downfall of europe under the banner of "love your enemy" and "we are all equal before god".
>>536149524The " reformers" venerated Mary
>>536149745I'm not suggesting hierarchy did not exist in societies before Christian times. Just not in dogmatic by-law making dictating spiritual communion. It varied region to region, greatly
>>536149580>Because one effect exists, another effect cannot likewise existSee? You pretended not to understand, playing dumb to the reality that dominates every era of the world and is the dominant paradigm now>I chose myself!What a tremendous surprise that you chose the socioculturally dominant religion in your area. Do you not understand that your "faith" makes my argument, 100%? You didn't go out on a limb in any way. You just joined a powerful faction where you live. Same as almost all other "religious" peopleThis is why you never bother engaging with this argument almost ever, it is a guaranteed loss for you. Your very behavior proves my argument. You didn't choose Islam you didn't choose Judaism or sikhism you "chose" what was dominant where you live.
>>536148950>I'm still waiting what these objective facts are that you mentionedimpossible, I referred you to back to them with links three times and I even repeated it in the post you're replying to. you are either lying, or far stupider than I thought.the facts were stated, we just never got around to arguing because of your aforementioned mental breakdown. I will state the objective fact again right now. customary units are superior to metric units for theological and epistemological matters. that's an independently verifiable fact presented as a falsifiable hypothesis and for some reason it makes you extremely emotional and irrational, to the point where you incorrectly labeled it an opinion as a form of denial. how did your belief formation processes become so broken that you don't even recognize a legitimate hypothesis? I suspect a causal connection between namefagging and lack of neuroplasticity, with reputation preservation getting in the way of exposing your ideas to criticism. you'll notice most anons have no such qualms, and their ideas are stronger as a result.
>>536149443>Just go take a walk in nature broLOL
>>536149776Yeah I know white Christians but they're all either senile boomers or Gen Xers. No white under 40 really cares about jewish bullshit.
>>536149883>LOLI'm comfortable with this being your only argument
>>536149725 Ghost, you are retreating. First you said it was idolatry. I showed it is not worship. Then you said kneeling to statues was the problem. I showed kneeling is not worship either. Now you say intercession itself supplements Jesus. If asking anyone to pray for you violates John 14:6, then Paul violated it: I urge that supplications, prayers, and intercessions be made for all people (1 Timothy 2:1). James violated it: pray for one another (James 5:16). The entire New Testament assumes Christians intercede for each other. That is not replacing Christ. It is participating in His mediation as members of His Body. The saints in heaven are not dead. They are alive in Christ, perfected, and still members of the same Body. Asking them to pray is the same thing as asking a friend to pray. The only difference is they are closer to the throne. You keep moving the goalposts because each position collapses. You started with idolatry. You ended up arguing that all intercession violates the gospel. That is not a defensible position. It is a series of retreats.
I was raised secular. No church. No Sunday school. I walked into a Catholic church as an adult, expecting nothing. The convert here came out of the O9A. The first Christians were Jews who abandoned Judaism. Three counterexamples to your determinism. Your framework cannot explain any of us, so you pretend we do not exist. That is not argument. That is refusing to look at evidence.
>>536149883>just worship me and my suspiciously white jewish rape-baby bro
>>536149961>The first Christians were Jews who abandoned JudaismThey didn't though. They just believed Jesus was their Messiah and followed him. All well within the confines of the same religion that had been going on for centuries.
>>536149824With trinkets amd statues?>>536149881>>I'm still waiting what these objective facts are that you mentioned>impossible, I referred you to back to them with links three timesReally? Where?>>536149881>. I will state the objective fact again right now. customary units are superior to metric units for theological and epistemological matters.That's neat. Yet "God" is still nothing more than your personal feelings and opinions
>>536149961>ChatgptUtterly embarrassing. You won't even stand up for your god with your own voice.Keep using that shit, be the little cretin that you truly are.
>>536150055Most protestants still have statues of Jesus
>>536150131Hahaha no they don't
>>536149941>First you said it was idolatryIt is. You gate keep salvation behind man made mantras, trinkets and statues. >Then you said kneeling to statues was the problem.Sure didn't >>536149941>Now you say intercession itself supplements Jesus. If asking anyone to pray for youI'm nit asking them to intercede for me. I'm asking them to share the word and their opinions with me. I don't ask for people to pray for me.
>>536150131Because Jesus is God. Not Mary
>>536150055>Really? Where?I stated it again in the post you are replying to hereyou are an outrageously dishonest person, it's a wonder you choose to have that reputation follow you from thread to thread
>>536150361Keep reading ma'am
>>536144327Fpbp
>>536150055>Yet "God" is still nothing more than your personal feelings and opinionswhat the hell does that have to do with our conversation? this is so retarded and out of left field that I literally thought you were replying to someone else at first
