I mean real socialism—the kind fought for by workers—not this faggot socialism we have today.
>>536194166Because its not jew-proof and will stagnate and corrupt in practice.
>>536194166People like to own things.
>>536194166Because the masses are retarded and need good leaders to look after them. Socialism is just an excuse for evil people to exploit the masses. All the socialists want to do really is consolidate power.
Real socialism was always faggot socialism, read up on Stalin's favorite film.
>>536194166>What exactly is the problem with socialism?causes stagnation and starvation due to lack of ability to allow for foreign trade since the profit margins for other nations is just not there.
>>536194166That things isnt fucking human.
>>536194253With internet and digital ID, direct democracy can be easily achieved where the people really do decide what updates get installed in their larp called life. But that's not happening because globocommies want total power.
>>536194253Yeah, right, because banks, large conglomerates, and megacorporations aren’t partly controlled by a Jewish cabal, are they?
>>536194356fucking humans is so 2019 dude
>>536194404not partly.
>>536194305You can literally keep what you earn. You even get a bonus, since you won’t be robbed by the capitalist class. All the fruits of your labor will be yours
>>536194404That's called privarized commumism. Klaus Schwan named it stakeholder capitalism. Blackcock and vanguard run the show>Larry McDonald, a Democratic U.S. Congressman from Georgia and chairman of the John Birch Society, was a anti-communist who frequently accused powerful elites of orchestrating a "New World Order". He claimed the Rockefeller family and their allies were working to establish a one-world government that merged "SUPERCAPITALISM and COMMUNISM" under elite control, often citing the Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission as key instruments of this conspiracy.>McDonald was killed on September 1, 1983, when Soviet fighter jets shot down Korean Air Lines Flight 007 near Sakhalin Island after the plane strayed into Soviet airspace. He was en route to Seoul to attend a ceremony marking the 30th anniversary of a U.S.-South Korea defense pact. The incident, which killed all 269 aboard, was widely condemned, with U.S. officials calling it a barbaric act. While some """conspiracy theories""" suggest McDonald was targeted due to his anti-globalist stance>Jeffrey Epstein was a member of the Trilateral Commission, an elite policy forum founded in 1973 by David Rockefeller to foster cooperation among business, political, and academic leaders.Epstein described the Commission as “some spooky stuff” and compared it to the Illuminati, recounting that Rockefeller justified its creation by emphasizing the need for stable, long-term influence from businessmen rather than short term politicians.
>>536194166>Lust provoking image>Irrelevant time-wasting question
>>536194166It's designed to put control freak psychos into power, so that they control every aspect of your life. Just like the hoarder psychos do right now.>>536194315>need good leaders to look after themTrue leadership has never been tried. JK, leadership always attracts the worst liars and scammers.
>>536194339Who takes the initial tisk to start the business?
>>536194166You make the means of production belong to the workers. Now what? Everyone has to agree in a majority, for any business decisions. Every worker can sell their share of the business. They can all vote to cash in and sell everything away. So the government says, to avoid such scenarios, I'll be the one making the choices. And you end up with the workers being play pretend owners, who still can and will get fucked by the government. You solved nothing.
>>536194166everyone intuitively understands the problem, everyone>"my coworkers? they're all idiots!">"anyway, as I was saying, me and my coworkers should own and run the company..."
>>536194641So you limit personal wealth to comfortable retirement, zero tax before that, and ban employment and landlording. Then everyone has to run a business, with realistic sizes capped at 100 to 200 people. It's not 1780 anymore, you can publish your specs, and negotiate contracts. This would also mean that the government wants to retire you instead of enslaving you. Tax income keeping the 10M or 20M or so top cap would be so extreme even in steady state of 20% retired that it would have to be rerouted as entrepreneur funding. Bye bye usury. You can actually make it now, but you have to be responsible and accountable. People get dragged into adulthood, if they want it or not. No more HR. No more hiding behind gigacorps. And no more gigacorp slack and evil bullshit.
>>536194166Nobody knows how to achieve. We tried many times and it always came out as a wrong kind of socialism. It's like balancing a cone on its point. It would be so cool but so far nobody succeeded
>>536194999People need to actually be responsible for their business decisions, and have freedom from gigacorps or politburos.
>>536194523That's a man (AI)
>>536194473No I can't I have a jewelry business and it includes machines and inventory that would be stolen by socialists. I do not want that to happen and in fact I would try to kill the thieves if they try to do that.
>>536194339>Stalin's favorite film.>https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030947/
>>536194166It's not a stable game theory state of existence.The most rewarding mode of existence under socialism is to do nothing and collect whatever benefit you can. Therefore in the long run this will be what most people tend to do, and what is rewarded.This ultimately will collapse society, due to lack of productivity. But as this eventuality approaches, central planners eventually lose political support and have to identify the reason why productivity is low; "free loaders", "lazy people etc", eventually we need to round up the lazy and FORCE them to pick up the slack; ie; Gulags.This is the inevitable outcome of socialism, forced labour camps, and a conveyor belt of death. It's happened every single time it's tried, and you can see an unavoidable theoretical reason why it will always end up the same way.
>>536194166Workers don't fight for socialism. The working classes are deeply reactionary; they don't have a secure enough position to take the risk of social upheval. Socialism is always fought for by the likes of young upper class students and other ideologues with time to waste on becoming radicalised.
>>536194305Every experiment with communism has proven that humans are greedy and selfish and territorial. Trying to enforce a certain political ideal doesn't change that.
>>536194166It doesn't involve making the capitalists, their descendants and their bootlickers into a slave classBut even that is too merciful for these vampires and their thralls
>>536194166Nothing, but it has to be driven and secured by a nationalist ideal or it's non-functional. The US is already 'socialist' by any measure, but the surplus is spent feeding niggers and undermining White society because the nationalist ideal has been betrayed by bourgeoise that have been bought off by kikes.
>>536194253Name a single thing that can’t be described as such
>>536194166white nazi imperialists come in and wreck the economy or they involve big daddy gibsmedat to bomb the country.
>>536194166
>>536195199No, she just needs to gain weight and she'll start looking like a female again.Something which is impossible in Communism.
>>536196034
>>536194166The problem with Socialism is that the masses predominantly consist of complete morons. Implementing a system that caters to the lowest common denominator ends up with a society where the neuroplasticity of the general populace hardens to extremity quite early in life, resulting in people who are averse to learning, do not tolerate change, and cannot adapt very well. Having every form of employment centralized around the state as the sole employer creates a dynamic of having an extremely unmotivated workforce due to essentially being stuck in that position with no further rewards for more excellent performance, and you can see the effects of this in the public sector currently. I think Socialism could work for jobs that don't require much skill or training but are grueling (such as manual labor, mining, janitorial work in very unclean sectors) to ensure job security for people who are in those positions & can't do any other type of job, but it's not a model that works very well for anything requiring greater degrees of skill.
>>536194166What's wrong with it? Probably the mirage that a new "managerial elite" won't rise and feed parasitically on the workers state. Until this is even is aknowledged, let alone addressed, no "communist" can be taken seriously.
>>536194166you cant ask a guy, who is reponsible for running the factory and their workers, to go home with the same pay, as just some worker on the conveyorOWNERS, however, are not (necessarily) the same as BOSSESa distinction, an (((owner))) would altogether too temptingly want to ignore
>>536195920That's why we shouldn't recycle old bullshit maybe?
>>536194166>the kind fought for by workersTrump is the new worker's party.
>>536196404>i didnt ask to be bornsame energy(also not entirely unlegitimate, but that's an entire other can of worms)
>>536194166>What exactly is the problem with socialism?at some point it always runs out of other people's money
>>536196481Why did you reply to me with nonsense?
>>536194166Market economies can generate prosperity for the working class and that is what working class people really want. Not commie oppression, murder, rapes by secret commie police, advancing "hIStoRy" or any of the retarded commie bullshit that isn't even reality. So the commie faggots abandoned the working class since commie scum only ever considered the workers to be a tool they could exploit.
Pure socialism = Hell.Pure capitalism = Hell.Capitalist society with some socialist policies = can be good unless your country is brown.
>>536195684>humans are greedy and selfish and territorialand if you limit people they can own they do the absolutely niggerest minimum to avoid the whip and the system bankrupts itself like clockwork
>>536196575*and if you limit what people can own ffs
>>536196567>Capitalist society with some socialist policies = can be good unless your country is brown.haha funny one.
>>536194473>all the fruits of your labor will be yours>except everything belongs to everybody equallydo you see how fundamentally, monumentally fucking retarded these traitors to the human race actually are?
>>536196542>nonsensethats in the eye of the beholder>why did you do X>the world was created, i was born>i was forced to do itis basically putin's reasoning, as well as every teenager's first encounter with despair and the meaning of life
>>536196726That's how Scandinavia worked before fecaloid parasites were brought in. Björk is just being nostalgic
>>536196157Unfathomably based.
>>536195874>pretending hitler didnt bow to capitalism right awaymy man..
>>536196034Stop posting zoomed in shots of my cock holster
>>536194253Nothing is parasite-proof, you need to keep adjusting>>536194166Workers didn't fight for socialism
>>536194166they were putting people in camps to take their farmsclosing down banks and confiscating everything inside the buildingliterally
fuck you and your experimentsgo to some nigger infested african country and experiment there, away from civilization.
>>536196315very good, reminds me of a travel show I watched where the traveler wants to buy something from a small roadside shop in Vietnam. Vietnamese boy asks the girl to sell him something she responds "I'm a communist bitch, I don't feel like it" as she plays on her phone.
>>536195791I for one welcome this change. Maybe they’ll get their act together when they realise we are serious.
>>536200000Wishful thinking though… checkem.
>>536194384direct democracy is retarded, because the average retard is easily influenced through media. giving those retards real say in politics would make the state a puppet of those who control the media
>>536200167sic semper tyrannis
>>536199249>>536199333>>536199376obsessed.
>>536199376>picyou could make a capitalist version, simply by altering the flags and replacing antifa with neo-nazis
>imagine going for anything marxism in 2026kek, if you can't create your own style anti-kike gov./state system, you should just stfu.Yeah, I'm talking about you OP. Every commie revolution was finance by kikes.They get slaves without needing to pay anything on the long-run? Kek.OP just doesn't understand the vile nature of le parasites.fuck retard newfag mutts, these are basically 1 degree of separation from jeets.
>>536200167>those who control the mediaEasy to directly vote out with simple transparency counterpropaganda
>>536194166> muh workersHave you ever done manual labor? "Workers" tend to be fucking idiots when it comes to running a business, which more often then not result in people who work for collectives to collectively fuck themselves over.I see no correlation between knowing how to operate a milling machine and being able to negotiate a contract, or balance a budget larger than sustaining a small business.
>>536200929Oh I promise that I think we’ll be alright.
>>536194166Does she have a puffy vulva, or is that padding for crosdressers
>>536194166puffy
>>536194166Actual socialism is just worker-tier capitalism, policy made to ensure a man is paid his due for his labors and not overly taxed in the process. Socialism in modern society means something utterly different because it's coverage stretches clear into the imaginary.
>>536199376>I would be literally holocausted>I will defend billionaires because I am a potentially one>muh gulaglmao boomers will retell the same propaganda digestible 0 iq niblets every single time they are being fucked
>>536196034>>536197025Post more
>>536194473>the capitalist classWill you still be robbed by government employees?
>>536196157>fat
>>536194166>I mean real socialism—not this faggot socialism we have today.That is real socialism. That's all there is to it. It is this faggot socielism we have today.Fighting for workers is the lie they tell you.
>>536201648so unions for example are... LE GAY?
This picture is OLD, I wonder what she looks like now?
>>536200929Qualified workers are the ones who run the businesses. Shareholders scratch their balls
>>536200929>workers are people who can't read or write and do manual labornigga, please
>>536201550>t.
>>536201880Without shareholders you wouldn't be able to afford the factory that you so desperatly want to own. Without shareholders, you wouldn't be able to afford the dump trucks you get paid to drive.Without shareholders, you would be an independentent contractor at worst or a small business owner at best, and that is no way to run a developed nation.In the end, you owe the job creaters more than they owe you.
>>536202948That's beyond stupid. The resources, the expertise, and the workforce are there. The shareholders are middlemen who add nothing but detract a lot. A bunch of FIAT, that's what shareholders really have, marks them as spiritually jews who benefit from central-bank-caused inflation.
There is no distinction stop trying to D&C socialism you can't do it
>>536201976I never said they can't run a business. But be honest with yourself, "Diego & Son's Autobody Shop" will never be able to afford to pay a pension or retirement, or have the resources necessary to pay for one of their employees pregnancy, or to pay to put their small workforce through trade-school. It aint fucking hapening.Compare that to a billion dollar corporation, withh tens of thousands of employs with international trade contracts and a the requirement of keeping a small army of lawyers in retainment.These are two different worlds, and it's stupid to hear the "Muh Praxis... muh theory" crowd LARP as if there is any sort of parity.
>>536202948>Without shareholders you wouldn't be able to afford the factory that you so desperatly (sic) want to ownWrong.See:Mondragon CorporationAlso, major infrastructure like the U.S. Hoover Dam or the rapid industrial buildup of post-WWII Japan and South Korea was financed through state-directed banks and public funds, proving public shareholder markets are not a prerequisite for heavy industry
>>536196157
What did they remove? I've had this game on my backlog forever but I don't want to play it if it's censored now.
>>536194166if communists looked like that, there would be way more communists.
Power corrupts. Does not matter if left or right. The problem with all ideologies, religions or other ”forced upon the masses” are people.
>>536194166The racist nazis were socialist. That's all i need to know that it's a flawed political concept
>>536194166She cute
>>536194166give some examples of when and where it has worked and resulted in a healthier and more prosperous and free and happier country. go on. I'm waiting.oh, by the way, what do you do for work, anon? you DO work, right? I mean, you ARE one of the working class, right, not just some over educated burgeoise faggot, right?
>>536200929i havent seen a CEO or C suite manager with working knowledge of what is ACTUALLY going on in their own company in 20 fucking years. they waste so much time in fucking meetings pacifying shareholders that they have no fucking clue what is going on in their own company.
>>536203761Finland, Romania, Sweden, Norway, United Kingdom (NHS), Canada
>>536203276> The resources, the expertise, and the workforce are there. It's straight up not though. Say you are in residential construction. What "resources" do you have liquid access to?Do you own a lumber mill? How are you going to afford the wood to build a dozen houses without asking for a loan, and who is going to loan you that money if you can't prove you have the capital to pay it back if things go south?
>>536194384>>536200167We don't need internet for direct democracy; just let the market figure it out. What people pay for gets to exist.
>>536203814all of those countries are cucked shitholes.
>>536194473>All the fruits of your labor will be yoursexcept that, by definition, socialism is precisely the opposite of this. the fruit of your labor is given to the state and redistributed. so you're a liar or else you're incredibly stupid or dangerously naive enough to parrot the lies that someone else gave you. Which is it?
>>536203925
>>536199155Nice tuck job
>>536203802The entire point of a C.E.O./C-Suite boardmember is to ensure profitability of the corporation. Are you saying that all these big corporations are not making profits?Plus> pacifying the shareholders is le badI would say pacifying shareholders is pretty damn important, consider it's their fucking money that is keeping the whole organization afloat. Nobody want to invest in a business at a loss.
>>536203975both systems would be overrun and unusable due to the hundred other social problems we have.
>>536194166You're describing National Socialism, and there's nothing wrong with it. It's just hard to explain to people that "muh Hitler" is not a reason not to care for your own people.
>>536204225literally retardedthe shortcomings of the NHI model are literally because they are not socialistic enoughthe answer to the problems which literally has data to back it up is to just be more gommunisticgommunism is good it literally works
>>536204225the most "innovative" thing corporations have done in 50 years is figure out how to bring back slavery in all but name. thats it.
If socialism is so good, how come every time it is tried by a government, they get violently overthrown by the USA? Checkmate commies.
>>536204707it's over. Close the thread MODS.
>>536194166"For workers" means nothing. Marx was jewish and created fake division within a racial community to subvert and destroy it. Ideologies are for weak people without minds of their own. Watered down religions for sheep and cattle.
>>536203462you're assuming the latter sort of corporation works, when it doesn't. right now you'll read from RAND to academia reports that these sorts of very complex networks create hidden problems that these very large corporations push on every other entity, and that the solution is to move these more towards public sector, but that is neither here nor there. Small and medium enterprises are the hardest to run, you'd find, if you actually read the literature.
>>536194166cute boy
>>536194166Polina Belka btw
>>536194166Governments seem to be really incompetent in general and I'm not comfortable with them running major businesses.
>>536194166>workersThe problem is that bureaucrats and bullshit jobs (adult daycare) will consider themselves "workers".
>>536205744>Polina Belka belka means squirrel so that's a porn name right?
Here's the sauce for all you coomershttps://vk.com/polinabilka
>>536205969Nah, cosplay, see >>536206007
>>536194166Thats a dude
>>536194166problem is that it works only with local business and no Israeli ownership.
>>536206007Face/nose looks totally different
>>536194166>This image is older than the average 4chanfag now
>>536198864>Hitler bowed to capitalismwtf are you kvetching about? were you educated (denazified) in germany by the judeo-american military that still rules there?https://odysee.com/@RebelliousGoy:0/Here-Is-Germany-7-of-7:1
>>536194166why doesnt the far left go against illegal immigrant workers?
>>536194166That's a woman.
>>536196157>How it feels to chew 5 gum.
>>536194166Economic calculation problemLack of efficiencyLack of actual freedom>>536204707>>536204804Lmao there are countless examples of socialist countries nor bring fucked with and still failing miserably.The MUH US INTERVENTION is the biggest and most retarded commie cope
>>536194166There's nothing wrong with (national) socialism
>>536204337>Hitler Derangement Syndromeironically it was the media's totally over-the-top treatment of 2016 DJT that caused me to reconsider what I've been taught about Hitler and ww2, finally revealing to me the hidden hand of the jew
>>536204707>violently overthrown by the USA
>>536194166I don't respect anybody that relies on a group for their identity.
>>536201214Your could liquidate the billionaires and it would fund the us government for 6 months ONCE.Nobody cares about your billionaires boogeyman.You bootlickers literally support totalitarian statist slavery.Go move to north Korea.
>>536207406>i stand aloneyou'll die alone, Texhttps://odysee.com/@RebelliousGoy:0/The-Third-Position---Essential-5-minutes-Keith-Woods:2
>>536207410>Leave Bezos and his collaborators alone!!!!reminder, traitors get the first bullets
>>536207672Socialism isn't a shield against anything, it's the spear in that image, not the shield.
>>536194166The problem is the myth that 2 workers deserve the same pay for the same job, or that the government has any business deciding how much money a person should be allowed to have.The worst thing though is the implicit assumption that poor people are morally good and rich people are morally bad.I have not seen any lefty be able to describe anything that Brian Thompson did that made him deserve death beyond simply being richer than them.Its just base greed given the veneer of philosophical consistency.
>>536208352Don't waste your time.
>>536194253Every philosophy and ism has simply been adopted by the goyim in theory. They are simply recycling the tools the Jews used to infiltrate goy society in the first place. Marxism, feminism, communism, capitalism, LGBT, immigration, zionism, islam, all tools of the Jew.
>>536208289>Socialism isn't a shield against anythingThe shields in the meme represent collectivism. I chose that meme because your comment was a statement of radical individualism. Would you prefer instead to discuss social-ism, perhaps to compare it with capital-ism?
>>536194166Damn I wish she doing OF during this time... Wonder what she is up to these days
>>536196034Puffy.
The new fags ITT are making me sick, yelling its AI or a dude... This image is probably older than most of the posters in here...
>>536203276share holders are the feedback loop that keeps the company profitable. If the shareholders are happy then the company is doing its job of making more money than it uses.
>>536209712I'd rather bot discuss anything, I don't see the point.
>>536194253When the fippy is the bippy
>>536194166wear shit like that get beat to fuck.....
>>536194166Well there's the link between it and the faggot socialism obviously, but even if we ignore that then there are some practical problems with it too, though not nearly as big or fundamental ones as what is wrong with the fag socialism.Generally speaking though it's better to just identify the good ideas from any given system and apply them eclectically afterwards. The zeal associated with any of these -isms is often one of their biggest drawbacks.
>>536194166I remember seeing this image in 2014. To answer your question OP. Retards and the western powers have subverted socialist movements either externally or from within. Stalin with his autistic one country socialism, led to a super bureaucratic totalitarian state that decayed real quick the moment innovation was stifled (and yes, there can be innovation in a socialist system). In Latin America, operation Condor wiped each and every socialist experiment except for Cuba, and to top it off, those who were elected ended up corrupting themselves. The problem with real socialism is that it immediately threatens the current system so badly, you will get contained or wiped out within decades if not years, but that is soon bound to change as the west keeps declining.
>>536194166It goes against human nature. Only retards will keep trying something, failing and blame everything else other than the shitty ideology.
