Plato essentially invented Christianity and most people are completely unaware of itI don’t understand how you can be a Christian when you can literally read how part of your religion was constructed here:How profound was Plato’s influence on Christianity?To say Plato’s influence on Christianity was "profound" is almost an understatement. Nietzsche’s quip—that "Christianity is Platonism for the people"—was his way of saying that the Church took the high-brow, abstract "otherworldliness" of Plato and translated it into a narrative that the masses could follow.Without Plato, Christianity would likely have remained a small, earthy Jewish sect focused on physical resurrection and the restoration of Israel. Instead, it became a global philosophical powerhouse centered on the "soul" and "heaven."________________________________________1. The "True World" vs. The "Shadow World"Plato’s Theory of Forms was the perfect blueprint for the Christian concept of Heaven.• Plato: Argued that the physical world is a "shadow" of a perfect, unchanging realm of Ideas.• Christianity: Adapted this by teaching that this life is a temporary "vale of tears" and that our real home is the spiritual, eternal Kingdom of God.• The Result: This shifted the focus of religion from "how to live well on earth" to "how to prepare the soul for the next world."2. The Invention of the "Immaterial Soul"The early Hebrew view of the afterlife was much more "embodied" (think: dry bones coming back to life). Plato’s idea that the soul is a divine, immortal prisoner in a "meat suit" changed everything.• Dualism: Plato taught that the body is a tomb (soma sema). Christianity "baptized" this idea, leading to the medieval focus on asceticism—the belief that to get closer to God, you have to punish or ignore the physical body.• The "Asclepius" Connection: This brings us back to Nietzsche’s hate for Socrates. Nietzsche saw this "body-hating" move as the moment the West turned its back on life.
part 2### 3. The "Logos": The Philosophical BridgeOne of the most famous lines in the Bible—_"In the beginning was the Word (Logos)"_—is pure Greek philosophy.- **Philo of Alexandria:** A Jewish philosopher who used Plato’s ideas to explain the Hebrew God to Greeks. He took the **Logos** (Plato’s idea of "universal reason") and made it the bridge between a transcendent God and the material world.- **The Gospel of John:** The author of John likely drew on this tradition, identifying **Jesus as the Logos**. This allowed Christianity to claim that their Messiah wasn't just a man, but the very "Logic" of the universe that Plato had been looking for.### 4. St. Augustine: The "Christian Platonist"If Plato was the architect, **St. Augustine** was the builder who turned it into a cathedral. Before his conversion, Augustine was a Platonist. He famously said that the Platonists were the only ones who correctly understood that God is **immaterial and eternal.**- He took Plato’s "The Good" and renamed it "God."- He took Plato’s "Forms" and placed them inside the mind of God.---### Why Nietzsche Hated ItThis is exactly why Nietzsche was so "hostile-yet-respectful" toward Socrates and Plato. He believed they had created a **"slave morality"** by convincing people that:1. Suffering in this life is good (it purifies the soul).2. The body is bad (it’s just a "shadow").3. Truth is found through logic/reasoning, not through instinct/strength.To Nietzsche, Christianity was just the "popular" version of this Socratic "disease." It offered the common man the same "cure" Socrates wanted: an escape from the messiness of being alive.**The Verdict:** Without Plato, we might not have a "Heaven" that looks like a disembodied, spiritual paradise. We might just have a "New Earth."Do you think Christianity would have survived the Roman Empire if it hadn't "upgraded" its message with Plato's high-level philosophy?
>>536236325she needs a proper load to those chest boulders if you know what I mean...
>>536236325>no Makeup onWhy are her eyelids black?!? Is it necrosis???
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>>536236325It's actually the mystery cults. The mystery cults were for the very elite and they just spilled the secret. Youre confusing things
>>536236325AI slop post. It's not news that the christcucks appropriated Pagan themes and grafted them onto a jewish base to form an unholy bastard
>>536236431No makeup to a foid means very little to light makup.You better start learning how women lie simp.
>>536236472Predictable respnses, I was just too lazy to write it out myself refute it then, or will you keep comping?>>536236552it is to many most people here are completely unaware of this but i bet you understand the exact history behind it
>>536236563Women lie?!?!? Then why are we putting men in prison based solely off a woman's allegation????
You should fuck passionately and enjoy your partner's pleasure, if you combine this with being jacked and being nice to animals Gaia gives you force powers or something
>>536236325Ok but I agree with Plato so what’s the issue? Maybe the masses SHOULD have platonism Nietzsche’s radical anarchism is stupid and never works.
>>536236760Because prisons keep cops and judges and lawyers and jailers and syco that sends them gross food in business.It all helps to pay taxes so negros can eat and breed more.This is just how shit works.Don't get me started on public schools and why females are molest your kids.
>>536236325Here's your AI reputation of your AI slop:1. The Hebrew View vs. The "Meat Suit"The Claim: Early Hebrew views were strictly "embodied," and the immortal soul was purely a Platonic import.The Refutation: While early Old Testament texts emphasize bodily resurrection, Second Temple Judaism (the era just before and during Jesus's life) had already begun adopting concepts of an afterlife and a disembodied soul [1]. The idea of rewards and punishments in a spiritual realm existed in Jewish apocalyptic literature independent of Greek influence.2. The Logos and Philo of AlexandriaThe Claim: The concept of the Logos in the Gospel of John is merely Philo adapting Plato.The Refutation: While Philo of Alexandria indeed merged Jewish theology with Platonism, the Biblical Logos has deeper roots in the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible. In Genesis, God creates through speech ("And God said..."). In Jewish Wisdom literature, personified Wisdom exists with God at the beginning of creation. Early Christians adopted the word Logos not just to appeal to Greeks, but to fulfill Hebrew scriptures in a new way.
>>5362371923. Augustine: The "Christian Platonist"The Claim: Augustine merely renamed Plato's "The Good" to "God."The Refutation: While Augustine used Platonic philosophy to help explain Christian theology (famously stating Platonists led him to understand God is immaterial), he heavily criticized core Platonic tenets. Platonism viewed the material world as an eternal, necessary evil and suggested humans could achieve salvation through pure intellectual reason. Augustine staunchly argued that the material world is good (because God created it) and that salvation comes through grace, not human intellect.4. The Invention of "Slave Morality" (Nietzsche)The Claim: Christianity is simply a "popular" version of Socratic slave morality that hates the body and despises this life.The Refutation: This fundamentally misreads the Christian doctrine of the Incarnation. If Christianity viewed the physical body as an evil "meat suit" (as strict Platonism did), God becoming flesh (the Incarnation) would make no sense. Christianity places immense value on the physical world through concepts like the bodily resurrection and the sacraments.Could Christianity have survived without Plato?Christianity survived the Roman Empire largely because of its practical appeal and unique promises:The Resurrection: The promise of literal, bodily resurrection offered hope in a brutal Roman society.Radical Inclusion: Early Christianity offered dignity to the marginalized—women, slaves, and the poor—by emphasizing that all were made in the image of God.Community: The early church's emphasis on charity, mutual aid, and martyrdom gave it a resilient social fabric that Roman civic religion lacked.While thinkers like Augustine or Justin Martyr used Platonism to articulate their faith to the educated Roman elite [2], the core of Christianity thrived because of its lived practices and the historical claims of Jesus's life and resurrection, not simply because it was an "upgrade" to Platonic philosophy.
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Arguments don't matter. There is a hole that some people fill with religion and going back to confronting it is a horrible prospect. You should take comfort in knowing that money and self interest are much truer gods when it comes to how people are informed to behave. Everybody is a godless selfish retard or a conniving moralist (someone who uses morals to compete with their peers socially).
While the influence of Platonism is undeniable, it's a post-hoc rationalised construction.Chronicles from that time reported that the initial sect started by Jeshua was a sort of deviation from Judaism mixed with Essenian influences.The Essenes were like a communist spiritualist cult who stressed the importance of tending to the soul and giving up on the physical life. The ascetic connection of Christianism most likely comes from the Essenes not from Plato.And I've read somewhere once that the Essenes themselves may have been influenced by mystics that migrated from India. This separation between the fallen material world and a spiritual journey already existed in India.So this Plato-Christianism parallel may only look valid as a sort of hermeneutical optical illusion. But back then, the sectarian landscape in Judea was much more complex and included more influences than Hellenistic.Really, Nietzsche was projecting a lot and it wouldn't be the first time when he would be wrong about historical facts, simply because we discovered more sources since then like the Dead Sea scrolls.
