How does fascism handle succession? As in, when Germany and Italy win WWII and get everything they want, who replaces Hitler and Mussolini when they die of old age eventually?
some army nigger generalnational socialism was a military dictatorship
>>536259338Fascism and National Socialism are not the same thing.
>>536259338Me. I solemnly vow to become super Hitler 2, and my mission is to kill every brown man, woman, and child
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>>536259633>my mission is to kill every brown man, woman, and childHow many you got so far? 6 bazillion?
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>>536259338Like the CCP or the Catholic church.
>>536259338> who replaces Hitler and MussoliniThey would eventually determine their succession. Like Hitler who in the end appointed Dönitz as his successor.
>>536260039Was Hitler mentoring him? Like Eckart groomed Hitler. Only reason Echkart didn't take the position was due to his health and age. Also he was a drug addicted alcoholic.
>>536259338Fascism eventually succumbs to liberalism. Nazi Germany would have had gay parades and endless brown immigration by the 80s.
Franco lasted the longestand he also rather failed the succession problemtho his successor the King of Spain did seem to favour the right wing coup that was launched but then failed
>>536259338An SS aristocracy/oligarchy would have taken over.
>>536262405>oligarchy would haveTake over what? Their own oligarchy?
>>536260035Fucking hell. I thought trannyism was illegal back then?!
>>536259338>ItalyItaly had the Grand Council of Fascism which would presumably elect the next Duce upon Mussolini's death.>GermanyHitler's legal successor was Hermann Goering, followed by Rudolf Hess and, if both were incapacitated, the Supreme Justice of the Reichsgericht would preside over a caretaker government until such time that the Reich Senate elected a new Fuehrer. What's the Reich Senate you might ask? It was an idea of Hitler's a long time in the making with influences from a lot of places to create an official Reich Senate, an advisory body (not legislative) that would convene to discuss matters of policy (formalizing the Gauleiter conferences) at the discretion of the Fuehrer in the Brown House in Munich. It was supposed to have 60-64 members (depending on which proposal you read) and within that number, around half (the 'little senate') would be responsible for convening after the Fuehrer's death to elect the next one. Hitler likened it to the election of a new Pope because he wanted the Senators to be locked in the room basically, without any outside influences until they came to a firm majority. This change was to be accompanied by a new explicitly National Socialist Constitution to replace the nominally suspended Weimar one and a host of other wide sweeping reforms under the category 'Reichsreform'. Because of Hitler's unique position as the first leader of the movement, he was allowed to to simply designate a successor (as written above) but after him, the proceeding Fuehrers would not just be able to force a successor, they would need the consent of the Reich Senate.
Neither facism not nat soc are coherent ideologies they just go and fail and die , they literally had no coherent plan
>>536259338It doesn't. Even the most "successful" fascist state ie. backwards and oppressive but not genocidal, Francoise Spain, immediately reformed after the strongman died.
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>>536259338>How does fascism handle successionIt doesn't. Facism is just a cult of personality. That is why every facist state fell the moment their leader/fuhrer/king/ died.
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>>536259338Heh thats the thingNo oneIts LibDem time Goybie !
If I was a nazi leader and won in taking over Europe along with Russia and its resources, there would have been huge industrialization effort and tech development would have been in Europe outcompeting America easily (op. paperclip wouldn't happen, neither the bretton woods dollarhomo). I guess it would be a similar path America itself took with hardcore Americanism when it was white.
>>536261319This. People on both sides keep forgetting fascism won in Spain and lasted several decades. It wasn't some amazing utopia and it wasn't genocide after genocide. It was a normal country. Maybe Mussolini had a point and the issue with nazism was that germans are a nation of borderline personality disorder retards that have to take anything they do to unhealthy extremes.
>>536263396Governments are adaptive, they are literally social constructs.Neither fascism nor national socialism existed long enough to need a mechanism of succession so they didn't have one.Had they existed long enough for this to be relevant they would have developed a solution. Its like how america didn't have a definition of citizenship until it came up as an issue during the slavery debate.
>>536259338>who replaces HitlerHimmler>who replaces MussoliniMussoletti
>>536259338Granted the outcome would have been autism wars in Europe as usual.It would have been better than the nigger faggot world we have today tho.
>>536259338Hitler had already come up onto his term limits when the war started, he had to have emergency powers activated to stay in charge. Had there been peace he likely would have been replaced by Hess via parliament vote.
>>536259338>"ingrid which one is your husband? The guy in the tank? The SS officer?">*ingrid looks down* "the one in the cape and swatika larp outfit and larp sword"
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>>536259338Ironically, the same way the soviet union and china did/do. A prominent party member, likely known to insiders in advance, would simply take over as the head of the party.
>>536268495Thats also how america does it, but we pretend to vote first
>>536259338Same way IRGC elects its supreme leader and how the pope gets elected.The inner circle elects the next leader.
>>536259338look at what happened to Spain when Franco died
>>536259598Nat Soc is one type of Fascism
>>536259338It doesn't. Once the communists are all dead, fascism can simply dissolve.
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>>536259338What did they do in ancient Rome? That is the way to answer most questions
>>536259338>How does fascism handle succession?It doesn't. In fact fascism and national socialism aren't well defined coherent systems beyond just one man or a council of people running everything single-handedly and issuing decrees. If you ask more practical questions about how supply chain bottlenecks get solved in a national socialist system, how monetary coordination works, how resources are quantified and what exactly is quantifiable, how much autonomy is allowed for each and every agent in every organization, and how all of this affects the living standards of the volk as a whole, nobody will be able to answer any of those questions because they were simply never thought of. I have yet to hear anything from self proclaimed national socialists about how they'll solve the jewish banking issue or what alternative monetary system they'll replace the current one with. (protip: labor vouchers or labor backed currencies aren't accurately quantifiable and are easily forged which is a major vector for inflation and failure in a system with a single point of failure). Anyone who can't solve these genuine problems may as well be a retarded street nigger with no knowledge of operations theory or macroeconomics. Like it's one thing to tear a shitty system down, but it's another thing to find out what you're going to replace it with. >>536263396This.
>>536274135Hey anon can you explain how supply chain bottlenecks get solved in a republican capitalist system, how monetary coordination works, how resources are quantified and what exactly is quantifiable, how much autonomy is allowed for each and every agent in every organization, and how all of this affects the living standards of the citizenry as a whole?
>>536259338Same about everything else in those suicidal vibecoded facades: They don't.There's a reason they lost, slogans, distractions and blaming others do not solve genuine dysfunction.
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>>536259338>beautiful, masculine, proud>and then the simp army descended upon them
>>536274251>follows my question up with a question of his ownYup. Called it. Also:>a republican capitalist systemDefine a republican capitalist system. Right now, we have a corporatocratic system that leases government power to legislate competition out of the market. It's built on top of a debt backed currency system in which the currency is only based on the trust that the currency itself has value and nothing more. It's a recursively endless debt loop that establishes a system in which money creation is tied directly to lending notes with a promise that it will be paid back along with an additional amount currency denominated in percentages that is proportional to the amount borrowed (interest). Does it work? Yes, but it's built on an illusion. Will it continue to work? No. Do we need an alternative? Yes. Can you create a coherent alternative that concretely establishes an objective system of valuation? Doesn't look like it so far.
>>536274617>Can you create a coherent alternative that concretely establishes an objective system of valuation?Im guessing labor backed currency isnt objective in your mind? I mean, all value is subjective, but by the definition youre using, does any system meet your qualifications? And if none do, why is the reliance on the arbitration of single point leadership any better than arbitration of committees?
>>536275289Whoops I meant the opposite; why are committees better than single leaders?
>>536275289>Im guessing labor backed currency isnt objective in your mind?Value of a product or service is subjective. Currency's value can be subjective as well, but that doesn't mean it's a stable currency. How can you even quantify labor as a form of currency and what hours can be objectively defined as worthy of valuation? Do you differentiate between skilled and unskilled labor?
>>536275358Distribution of power allows for failures to be tolerated to a certain extent without complete systemic failure. If you read anything about operations research and how distributed systems of people coordinate to achieve desirable outcomes, you'll quickly realize that hyper-centralization often fails quickly the moment that single point of failure gives way.
>>536259338This is why you need a monarch as a figurehead, supported by a quasi-fascist government with limited voting rights for a select group of men who will represent the people of the nation
>>536263280Cheers anon, succession issues was something I kept wondering about. Advisory body sounds reasonable enough.
>>5362755641 hour of labor is 1 hour of labor, skill and education is priced in as that itself takes labor hours to produce. What system do you have in mind that has an objective valuation system? Clearly neither of us is happy with the current system. So whats your alternative >>536275767Yeah and living in a committee based society has just been so grand, yes? Thats why our kids get raped by jews and millions of migrants pour in while our standard of living drops like a rock and manufacturing is offshored. So efficient! So based! Committees are incapable of reform because theyre incapable of accepting responsibility, only a human can do that. When our system fucks up they can hide. When a fascist system fucks up you know exactly who did it.
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>>536259338Hitler wasn't a Fascist, stop grouping them together.
>>536276147Colored by hand by a Dutch anon a bunch of years ago; some of his set came out better than others but I like them all nonetheless
>>536259338How did Spain handle it after Franco died?
>>536276496A labor of love, what's not to like?
>>536276079>1 hour of labor is 1 hour of labor, skill and education is priced in as that itself takes labor hours to produce.Very difficult to pinpoint exactly if those hours were genuinely productive or not. My point is that this currency can be easily inflated even just by the simple laziness or forgetfulness of a single person. If i'm working under this system and i forget to punch out for my lunch break, i inflate the currency by 1 hour per day. Now scale that to millions of people per day, and suddenly you have millions of dollars floding your market. Not ideal>What system do you have in mind that has an objective valuation system? Clearly neither of us is happy with the current system. So whats your alternativeI believe that a currency system that uses an industry specific commodity basket of industrial inputs or agricultural produce that is buffered by demand for commodities and demand for the currency itself is ideal. Although, production would have to occur in serialized batches and there'd need to be a universal algorithmic production oracle for validation and auditing upstream and downstream. It's highly practical but super complicated and requires compliance by all actors in a supply chain and discrepancy tracking. Any false reportings or discrepancies could result in decreased minting rights by one business network, so essentially, more of their produce would be counted out of the commodity pool.
>>536261758It's crazy to think Franco was born in the late 19th century when the old great european empires were still around and he lived to see the degeneracy and decay of the western world in the second half of the 20th century
>>536276079>Yeah and living in a committee based society has just been so grand, yes?Nope. Outsourcing our responsibilities to a group of people is what caused this mess. I'm not going to pretend as though outsourcing our responsibilities to a single person ruling everything could ever change much in terms of how much civilizational autonomy we have. In fact, you'd be facing worse odds under your preferred system because you won't run anything at all. You won't even get the privilege of having the illusion that you're in control of your own nation.
>>536276782You dont have to track literally every single hour dude, you just need to pair the growth of your currency with its physical output. Your system is similar and would also require significant leadership overhead to both stem corruption and coordinate between institutions. Its still an authoritarian hybrid economy model. So at that point why not have an ethnostate?
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>>536277146At present our nation is openly run by foreigners and our votes are meaningless. A single leader can take responsibility, a committee cannot. If a single leader is replaced the culture of the organization changes. If a committee replaces members nothing changes, only the faces. America is painted into a corner because we cannot reform the system we've created due to its own internal resistance for change. Therefore it must be destroyed and rebuilt, and if were going to rebuild, we want to avoid the mistakes of our predecessors; namely, a committee based governmental system.
>>536277460Nope, its from the "Day of German Art" in Munich in 1937https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gro%C3%9Fe_Deutsche_Kunstausstellung
>>536277313My monetary system doesn't require any leadership or monetary legislation. It only requires algorithmic coherence and human compliance. Compliance is obtained through human incentives. People need a reason to stay in business, they need a reason to expand, and they also need a reason to keep their own money supply from being de-valuated. So what do they do? They follow the rules. As for everyday people, it's much cheaper to provide them with basic infrastructure and the ability to pool their own resources to build whatever they need for their communities on top of it. That allows them to be autonomous. They can also partner with private companies to acquire more advanced utilities and services by contractual agreements. That's the only public/private initiative that should really exist. >>536277485>At present our nation is openly run by foreigners and our votes are meaningless. A single leader can take responsibility, a committee cannot.You're forgetting one major thing though: This whole thing started with you. Not you specifically but in general, people like you have given the reigns of power to people who do not care about them. Politicians and dictators are literal psychopaths. If you want strength, you have to look for it within yourself and eliminate this compulsion to look for it in other people. I promise you that you'll feel a thousand times more powerful if you learn a productive skill.
>>536277817Dude Im an engineer in my 30s, I dont need to learn more skills to know I dont want my government run by pedos. >people will follow the rules if you ask nicely enough >a highly complicated automated system doesnt need human inputs or structured maintenance>overreliance on technology and AI is preferable to human control ...are you fucking with me? This is so naive I dont even know how to approach it
>>536259633I'll be your Giga-DirlechadHeil
>>536259338the führer lives on, as an immortalfrom the day of his death (pbuh), there can be only marshalls, who could only ever dream to have the vision of the führerthey would need to be elected, although by whom, would be a legitimate question, and a wondrous debatei hope your desire to know more intensifies>first sky marshall dönitzin some parallel dimension, maybe...
>>536278035>Dude Im an engineer in my 30sReally? What kind of engineer? Don't take it the wrong way, but you sound like you're 16. >I dont want my government run by pedos.Neither do i. In fact, I want no government at all. Only organizational governance with voluntary participation.
>>536278190i'm also an engineer
>>536269353Those are just figureheads. Our actual leadership operates on dynastic feudalism. It's sort of like the Anglo-Saxon heptarchy where there is no one absolute head and instead it's more of a shifting soft supremacy between multiple powerful clans.
>>536278190Im a systems engineer in aerospace, which is one of many sources of aversion to committee based leadership. Ive seen how it doesnt work in micro and macro>In fact, I want no government at allFunny. I grew out of the libertarian phase when I was 16.
>>536278355Ayyy checked >>536278385Indeed, I was being derisive
>>536259338Hitler had chosen Göring, but Göring tried to take over before Hitler died, prompting Hitler to rage fire Göring. In his final will, Hitler split the leadership, naming Dönitz and Goebbels as chancellor. Goebbels committed suicide a day later, leaving Dönitz to officially surrender the regime while rogue actors like Himmler secretly tried to save themselves.Nazis were just all around very incompetent and emotional retards kek just like they are today
>>536259338You cant name a successor in those systems, it would have caused problems. You have to keep the underlings competing so they fight each other and not the guy at the top.
>>536278686Yeah if only thet were fat alcoholics like Churchill or paranoid pedos like Stalin. Good thing Europe and America are being run by level headed competent leaders! Thank goodness we beat those dastardly Germans!Anyways, another shipment of jeets is on its way to your country. Make sure youre nice to them or you'll be fired from your job, which they will soon be replacing you in.
>>536278165kameraden, i would like to remind you, that the 'rassentheorie' of third reich is a pre-DNA "science"the 'kerngedanke' is to filter by competency, where efficiency is paramountethnical aspects, pertaining to preservation of a race, should be decoupledit was also abused as a shoehorned method for>germans only>no jewswhich may have been some lesser evil way of doing things, in a pre-digitalization era>starship troopers (1997)provides a model society by accident, much like>look whos back (2015)accidentally made him appear too good, they had him kill a dogkameraden, and gentlemen, this is not about conquershipthis is about survival, preservation and consolidationi bid you fair tidings
>>536279082Fair tidings to you as well, anon!
>>536278395>Im a systems engineer in aerospace, which is one of many sources of aversion to committee based leadership. Ive seen how it doesnt work in micro and macroIf what you're saying is true, then you're working with people who got in via nepotism. As the saying goes in this shithole country: "it's not about what you know, it's about who you know". Literally as case of misaligned incentives.
>>536278686>Nazis were just all around very incompetent and emotional retards kek just like they are todayIt's funny how the parallels work. It's just like marxists. Marxists have parents that are rich fucks that provide them with a shelter over their heads while these jobless losers are mooching off their friends and family. Fascists on the other hand are the same dysfunctional emotional retards that think strength comes from authority.
>>536279194thank youi really recommend st3everyones seen st1st2 is okay, but its also standalone, you can skip itst3 continues on the story of st1, although the production value is direct-to-video, not triple-abut one should not let that dilute the films vision
>>536279355Anon Ive worked for Boeing, NASA, Lockheed, and a number of commercial space companies. At a certain point you have to understand its not the individuals. Its not even institutional. Its cultural. This is particularly poignant as a systems engineer because much of the job is process definition and change management. Individuals are reduced to replaceable parts only able to operate within the scope of the system that was agreed upon by stakeholders. And yet we STILL cant get shit done. Committees have a time and a place and national leadership is not one of them. Theres a reason space missions have a single designated commander. Theres a reason flight software is not a democracy. NASA worked when it was run by Nazis. NASA stopped working when it stopped being run by Nazis.
>>536279865I love the ST franchise and yet I haven't seen the third one. Ill check it out, only because you recommended it <3
>>536279902> Individuals are reduced to replaceable parts only able to operate within the scope of the system that was agreed upon by stakeholders.Yes, of course and at the very top of that system exists people who reward each other dimply for being friends. However, I'm not going to pretend that a single person can manage the entire thing by himself. There needs to be a shared mentality of project scope and technical specifications that adhere to a genuine engineering need rather than stakeholder speculation.
>>536280446Of course, and stakeholders sitting down to come to an agreement between multiple institutions is where a committee is warranted. But in the actual oversight and execution, a single leader is essential. The Chief Engineer has final say. Things get fucked when, as you mentioned, the folks at the top engage in quid-pro-quo corruption. They arent beholden to a leader, theyre beholden to investors, who act as a sort of committee. Investors dont take the heat when their ideas fuck everything up. Their puppets do. Thus in corporations as in government, responsibility is never laid upon the feet of the actual responsible party and things never get reformed, because there's no driving need. If there's anything Ive heard the most of in the past 10-15 years Ive been doing this is that the space industry lacks strong top-down leadership. Everyone from NASA administrators to astronauts to junior engineers knows this. And naturally the space industry isnt the only one having this problem, its a national issue, but the tight margins of aerospace and difficult development environment make it the canary in the coal mine. Again witnessing all this is one of the strongest redpills ive ever gotten.
>>536259338>>536262405Man. I am not much of a Nazi desu but the idea of some kind of SS Order-State is cool. The SS even wanted to build an extended complex around the Wewelsburg castle. Imagine the SS Reich having Germania and also a megacity around Wewelsburg... Ugh so much wasted potential for cool history.Also the fact that the Nazis liked building retarded superweapons is kinda based. Imagine them holding a military parade with stuff like the Maus, P.100 Ratte and the Schweher Gustav.Also the Nazis were autistic about eugenics, so imagine them creating literal SS space marines...Maybe the Reich was autistic in a lot of ways but still.Man...
>>536259338>How does fascism handle succession?There's zero difference between fascism and monarchy. It will inevitably turn into hereditary monarchy, possibly after a grace period with chieftain votes by the faithful
