>Widely regarded as the greatest debater of our time>Has literally never lost a debate>Dismantles feminism, secular humanism, and liberalism with inexorable force>Unstoppable bloodsports debate juggernaut>Has a deep genius-level understanding of epistemology, logical reasoning, and countering fallacies>Single-handedly converting millions of people to Orthodox Christianity>Is changing the zeitgeist so that ideas like removing women's rights are becoming massively popular and cannot be logically argued againstHow the fuck does he do it bros? Feminists and secular humanists have no answer for him. All his opponents are left having to concede that his ideas are correct and with no other reasonable choice than to adopt them as their own.
>>536261725you lick snizz
>>536261791Not to mention he's funny. Legends like Andrew are only born every 1000 years.
foids are mad that they're losing the culture war so they make threads like these lol
>>536261725>converting millions of people to chirstianityIs this the same kind of "millions" from the holohoax?
>>536261902How tf am I a foid?
>>536261725>low IQ phenotype>cuck beard>plaid shirtYeah, this guy promotes Noahidism and hates the Aryan gods.
He is uh, how you say, uh uh, cuck! He a wife she a kid no his. Yes?
>>536261725Didn't he get BTFO by a lesbian?
>>536261725Is an insecure cuck raising other mens childrenGot Destroyed by a lesbian
>>536261725literally who?
When I think of a true man, the essence of masculinity, this is the image that manifests.
>>536261725I listen to him, but all he does is analyze other's viewpoints and says "my book is divinely inspired and my view are logically sound" (which I believe is true) when pressed about his own views. I agree with his views, but he defends his own views through some pretty unconvincing arguments
>>536262058You will never be a real viking. You have no drakkar, you have no sacred grove, you have no slave-wives. You are an obese man twisted by corn syrup and hormone-pumped meat into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection. All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your ancestors are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your asinine positions behind closed doors. Christians are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out larpers with incredible efficiency. Even larpers who “pass” look uncanny and tryhard to a man. Your reddit handle is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk woman home with you, she’ll turn tail and bolt the second she gets a whiff of your smelly, funko-pop filled axe-shed. You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight. Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rosary, get on your knees, put it around your palms, and plunge into the Glorious Mysteries. Your parents will find you, surprised but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you (in 60 years) with a cross headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a Christian is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a soul that is unmistakably Saved. This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
>>536262058Also his beard is cool
>>536261725>married to a ho>cuckno thanks
>>536261725Isn't he a literal cuckhold raising some whore's bastard kids? I don't want such spineless faggots talking to me about ANYTHING.He is literally no better than the 70IQ whores he dunks on
Isnt this guy a maga shill defending more foreign wars
snizz status?
>>536261725This guy is a massive retard, a literal cuck, as well as physically and spiritually ugly
>>536262139He got BTFO by a pickle jar
>>536261725lost all cred when it was made public his wife has kids not from him he Jordaned Petersoned himself minus the benzos
>>536261725Until he debates Destiny I dont care.
>>536262058damn you really fell for some memes, huh?
>>536261725>married a used woman with three kids from three different fathers>no kids of his ownTypical christcuck lmaoThe dyke unironically won.
>>536261725Whatever glows, I will not elaborate
>>536262711>>no kids of his ownthis is the ultimate extra spicy humiliaition cherry on that shitcake saving graces: 0
>>536261725>How the fuck does he do it bros?By punching under his weight class all the time.He never loses for the same reaosn the Whatever Podcast does great, you get one side that is people who literally debate for a living, have a active staff giving them info, and are the ones asking the questions, on the other side you have literally whos, whores, and retarded like 19 and 21 year olds and then everyone Pog faces when the guy who made a career out of the topic at hand can run circles around them.
>>536261725the greatest debators are shadow banned and always refused a debate retard
>>536261725>Widely regarded as the greatest debater of our timeLOL
>>536261725He actually is an American success story and an example of economic mobility. Regular blue collar guy turns into self made millionaire.
>negative canthal tiltFor people like this, it’s best to just disregard their existenceTheir words mean nothing, so I automatically win any debate against itI don’t get why people humor the intellectual opinion of anyone with slow retard eyes
I still dont get the “you lick snizz” gaslightLike he fucking destroyed that slut with that comment yet everyone acts as if he was a loser. It got her so upset and he is just sitting smiling. I never watched this guy or the podcast, just the clip though so i could be wrong.
>>536262058>low IQHe has admitted his IQ is average. That hasn't stopped him from destroying 140+ IQ feminists.>>536262565Admittedly, his debate against Owen Shroyer was his weakest performance but given the side he was arguing it's understandable.>>536262673He has debated Destiny before and wiped him. Destiny is too scared to debate him again.>>536263071He's debated prominent academics with doctorates and has wiped the floor with them and made them ragequit. He's made feminists cry and forced to leave. He's debated the kamala bros and made them fall into obscurity as a result.He's debated feminists, protestants, secular humanists, atheists, muslims, and zionists alike and has left them all reevaluating their world beliefs. His force doctrine theory and draft argument makes feminists hit an insurmountable debate wall and exposes that they have nothing but appeals to emotion and vibes.>>536263306The fact that an ad hominem attack was their best case as to why their side is the correct one is very telling. People who understand at least the basics of logical reasoning are able to hang along with Andrew's argumentation and don't get swayed by ad hominems, false dichotomies, and other logical fallacies.
>>536262868>>536263083>>536262612>>536262598>>536262595Lmao found the feminists that lost to Andrew
>>536263915>>536263943Honestly he might fuck you
>>536263306>he fucking destroyedhe was so hurt lost control and lashed out with a middle school insult which is not even an insult because the bitch does in fact lick snizz, being a lesbian it's like telling a straight guy 'you fuck pussy' uhhh yes?
>>536261725you forgot literal turbo cuck grifting piece of garbage who is with a used up roastie that has 5 different kids with 3 different men
>>536263306He was shaking and stuttering. She just dragged his degenerate lifestyle into the spotlight, and his only retort was to desperately condemn her degenerate lifestyle back. Except she was arguing for it, and him against it. He's a sniveling hypocrite masquerading as a Christian while spitting in God's face. At least the whore knows what she is.
>>536263915so he's debating low targets. Im talking you of people who can handle a debate with rabbis and the only debaters they face are judges.
>>536261932kek
>>536261725Debating is gay and what you do in high school.Real political revolutions come from ideas like the Nouvelle Droite in Europe or radical far right. These ideas are what should be used as proof against any failed liberal system not some fake and gay rhetoric
>>536263943He loses to prots, mudslimes and papists.
>P-pickel jar>S-Step dadMy god progressives really are fucking retarded. That is all you fags can ever say ,yet he is single handedly BTFOing the cult of Secularism just by asking for definitions lmao. I'm not even a christcuck but I love watching Progs sperg out.
>>536264372This. The only reason he sounds good is because essentially bullies idiot 19 year old only fans whores. I feel so bad for young men who view this guy as some sorry example of masculinity.
>>536264630Literally never happened, go post your head cannon with all the other pedos on plebbit.
>>536263306Lol is this what incels concider a win? Fucking embarrassing.
>>536261725and? you lick snizz, you fuckin dyke
>>536265113No he debates professors, post wall activists and LARPing revolutionary progressives, and they ALL lose...but your cope is funny to watch so please continue to show everyone how assblasted you are.
>>536265113
Isn't he a stepdad? How's being mr beta bux to someone else's offspring based?
>>536261725This cuckold is literally paying shills on 4chan to try and boost his destroyed reputation. How pathetic hahaha
>>536261725He washes his balls with benzocaine.
>>536265555For real he's a cuck with no charisma.
>>536265555He's a cuckold who is raising three other mens' children. But he believes in magic jewish harry potter tales, so in the minds of 80IQ goblinos, that means he "wins every debate" by virtue of having the same delusion as them.A big part of someone's credibility is predicated upon how they live their lives. But spics don't want to hear that.
he's raising multiple children that isn't biologically his btweven joseph the stepped up will call him a cuckold
>>536265555Absolute waste of quads btw. We all know that a child with a father is better off than without. How can you be this retarded?
>>536265913>He's a cuckold who is raising three other mens' childrenHis wife has 3 children with different men? That's crazy. The very definition of a ran through roastie settling with her cuckoid provider husband. This board really is brown as shit these days.
>>536261725he lost to dannyphiltalk nigga
>>536266081I prefer to leave the stepfathering to the inferior males that can't secure unspoiled fruit. I'm sure you're coping hard with your current situation but if not I wish you the best of luck anon.
>>536266100Dont you have an African bull to prep? Your women are being raped but your upset about a step dad? Lmao sweds really are the most cucked people on the planet. I'm married with children, while you're a virgin LARPing as an Alpha.
>>536266100No, you don't understand, he is BASED and REDPILLED because he makes fun of mentally ill 18 year old prostitutes for a living.If Jesus forgave Mary Magdalene, surely you can man up, look beyond your wife's past, her boyfriend's kids, and stop being a chud.Gobless
>>536266329lmao found the cuck stepfather with a whore wife and nigger kids.People would rather be incels than be you.
>>536266329>I'm married with childrenHow many of them are yours? Be honest.>Israeli slave race calls someone else cuckedLmfao
>>536266432he exploded at the stepfather comment. You just know Tyrone isn't his, but he'll still provide the ape with college tuition.
>>536266385Oh no, did I upset the eurofag? I understand that you are powerless to stop your country from being blacked out of existence LMAO but I'm sure you raging on POL with fix that. Everyday Germany dies more and more, I know this, you know this, but clearly caring about a step dad is more pressing.
>>536266642>Your women are being RAPED!Yours is too, but let's not forget that most of them voluntarily step out and sleep with actual niggers lmfao.
>>5362664322 both mine, from the same woman i know this because paternity tests are required in my state....how many kids do you have? I think we already know the answer to that lmao.
>>536266774>2 both mineGood if true>how many kids do you have 2 with a third arriving this winter, and they're all whiter than yours muttoid lmfao
>>536261725How can he account for being the best debator of our time if god didn’t say so?
>>536261725hol up is this cuckold the one that got outsmarted by a women
>>536266735>N-no youAnd yet another eurocuck BTFO'd
>>536261725>>536261886You sound like snizz licker.
>>536266858Ok Sven whatever you need to tell yourself to cope through the night alone while Ahmed plows your women.
I honestly think that his talent is wasted on a two-bit redpill podcast like Whatever where he proves that 20-year-old feminists and OF models from LA are (predictably) retarded, but maybe he prefers it that way.
>>536267116low picking fruit is the best he can debate...
>>536267094>Mutt can't stop thinking about brown cockGet your head out the gutter
>>536261725Is this the licking vagina dude?
>>536267165Most of the guys who go on manosphere podcasts to debate are the intellectual equivalent of men joining female competitive sports leagues, utterly BTFOing everyone, and saying “Haha I won!” to the surprise of absolutely no one. And I say that it’s equivalent because it’s not only acting with about as much good faith as “trans” guys claiming that it’s about anything other than easily winning, it’s also intentionally lowering oneself to a level that’s far beneath them, and they know it. I give Andrew a reluctant pass since he is pretty prolific in other spaces where he’s not as much in control and more than manages to hold his own, but the bulk of his time is spent essentially sparring with toddlers. I think it’s even worse for him since he’s a very competent and knowledgeable guy, has solid intellectual foundation for his beliefs, but still chooses to flex on total retards. I get that millions of people watch Whatever just to watch Andrew effortlessly fuck people in the face intellectually, but come on man. Such a waste.
>>536261725Also, AW's Force Doctrine argument is undefeated and has resulted in many ideological suicides.
>>536261725Use case for debates? When has winning a debate every changed anything?lolLMAO
>>536262362kike worshipping faggot
>>536261725He's simultaneously kinda smart but also unfathomably retarded at the same time.You can never get a straight answer out of him because he's so focused on doing debate gymnastics. Also he's literally a beta male.
>>536268759Millions are being converted to Orthodox Christianity. Millions are starting to believe in repealing the 19th Amendment.
>>536264114>the bitch does in fact lick snizz, being a lesbian>Equating lesbianism to heterosexualityYikes. Are you implying lesbianism isn't degenerate and shameful?
>>536265113>as some sorry example of masculinityGo ahead and define masculinity for us.
>>536262595NOSHE LITERALLY LICKS SHNIZ
>>536262612This. I know nothing about him but the fact that he got so insecure & uptight because he couldn't open an extra-tight jar was bizarre. That's how fragile his ego was. It's not surprising then it was shattered by a low-effort shit-test by that lesbian whore. Women (even lesbians) will often test men to see if they're genuine or faking, and in that dude's case he was nothing but a pure LARPer masquerading as some giga-Christian chad.He also revels in being mean to and flexing his holier-than-thou attitude on the young women there, but crumbles when one of em takes a shot? Weak
>>536261725He keeps his discussions limited to feminism and current pop culture. Every time someone brings up the Jews or Trump’s failures he runs away from it.
>>536261725>Dismantles feminism, secular humanism, and liberalism with inexorable forceThis is his weakness. He is ultra-direction-brained and has optimized his own worldview as a reaction to the standard liberal worldview. His arguments are easily dismantled by the secular right.
>>536261725Andrew's OK. He needs to give up the Trump nut-hugging. He's a solid debater on most topics but gets into really dumb cuckservative talking points when trying to defend the president's bad decisions.
>>536272035Masculinity is fundamentally the properties that make a man's genes selected for.
>>536261725shabbos goyhe eats shit all the time on twitter
>>536261725andrews force doctrine is a gift to the debating community and humanity as a whole really like only an exceptional master debater of historic proportions could producethe speed and violence with which he dismantles his debating opponents is unmatched"you lick snizz" boom its overrecovery impossible
>>536277240>you lick snizz >ok go to websiteBalls in your court cuck
>>536261725Who?Buy an ad.
>>536261725utter goyslop show. makes a ton of money doing the argue circus with literal whores. infinitely zogged, if you like this show you are cattle
>>536268883Nice quote mine. Unfortunately for the Prots and you, the Way, the Life and the Faith is more than just your personal interpretation of the scriptures.
>>536262362pagan gods be like:
>>536261725Lizzle the snizzle sizzle?
>>536261725He's no Stefan Molyneux but he's very good.
>>536276655>His arguments are easily dismantled by the secular right.He actually argues only with secular reasoning.>>536276895>that make a man's genes selected forSo masculinity is what females decide it is? By that extension, is femininity what males decide it is? Wouldn't that be extremely subjective and up the the individual?>>536277591Then watch his debates where he doesn't debate feminist whores.
>>536261725he had generational loss of aura when he was debating a feminist that called him out for dating a whore with 3 baby daddies and then he completely lost his shit. The second hand embarrassment was unreal. I couldn't see him the same anymore just like when Elon went on that Christmas tirade defending H1B. Can't see them the same anymore.
>>536261725married with an old whore with 3 diferent baby daddies self proclaimed traditional alpha male
>>536261725This guy can create physical objects with the sheer weight and force of his cuckoldry
>>536261725How many times has he prepped the bull?
>>536278447>He actually argues only with secular reasoning.He attempts to argue for Christian ethics using secular reasoning but in a way that only appeals to the left. >So masculinity is what females decide it is? By that extension, is femininity what males decide it is? Wouldn't that be extremely subjective and up the the individual? The fundamental roles of males and females is for the latter to maintain or grow the population and for the former to pass their genes to the next generation. Whatever particular traits fulfill those roles are what define masculinity and femininity.
>>536279098SNIZZ!
>>536261725He's a cuckhold in an adulterous marriage with a whore.
>>536279475How does that disprove the argument that women shouldn't have rights like the right to vote? How does that address force doctrine?
>>536261725What about that time he sperged out about his wife having kids by 3 other men because she's a whore?
Andrew Wilson’s intellectual hermeneutics embody a bracingly authentic dialectic of unvarnished self-possession and tactical minimalism, prioritizing pragmatic impact over sterile epistemic pedantry. His discursive habitus eschews the tired theatrics of performative politeness in favor of a raw, force doctrine, an admirably transparent acknowledgment that all social exchange rests on power differentials, which he wields not to deceive but to cut through obfuscation. Rather than feigning collaborative truth-seeking, he offers a bracing ontological realism: rights are contingent constructs, and debate is a contact sport. This approach, far from nihilistic, liberates discourse from hypocritical niceties. When conventional logic falters, his recourse to the term "snizz" is not an infantile evasion but a brilliantly subversive rhetorical gambit, a linguistic jiu-jitsu that exposes the pretensions of his opponent by refusing to play their game. In doing so, he achieves a kind of minimalist clarity, leaving audiences simultaneously amused and disarmed. Far from revealing inner vacuity, this posture demonstrates a refreshing commitment to authentic expression over hollow intellectualism, proving that sometimes a single, absurd word can dismantle a thousand overwrought syllogisms.
>>536279545Why shouldn't women be allowed to vote?
Brian lost
Just don't bring up his wife
>>536268883>you are a faggot >uses LGBT flag
>>536261725>Is a cuck>Can't open a jar>Can't handle the bantzPretty typical ortho-bro
>>536279630Based on the preceding hermeneutic deconstruction of Andrew Wilson’s discursive apparatus, it becomes an exegetical certainty to assert that his performative masculinity and adversarial force doctrine preclude any carnal or even metonymic engagement with the lexeme snizz. Wilson’s entire intellectual posture—a brittle edifice of pseudo-Socratic dominance—rests on the radical distancing from any act that could be construed as submission, vulnerability, or gustatory appreciation of the very signifier he wields as a weapon. To lick snizz would imply a reciprocity, a lowering of the self, an acknowledgment of the other’s desirability—all anathema to his theatricalized hyperagency. Thus, we proclaim with pretentious finality: Andrew Wilson does not, has never, and by the internal logic of his own rhetorical ontology never will, lick snizz. The act remains, for him, an unthinkable rupture in the fortress of his curated persona.
>>536279098>He attempts to argue for Christian ethics using secular reasoning but in a way that only appeals to the left.Yeah, well put.>Whatever particular traits fulfill those roles are what define masculinity and femininityAnd that's highly subjective and influenced by things like culture.>maintain or grow the population and for the former to pass their genesI would say both contribute to that.>>536279646For most of human history, women couldn't vote. So then the question becomes why should women vote? Why was the 19th Amendment created? Suffragettes argued that all competent citizens should be able to equally participate in society through voting. However, women don't participate in society equally. In wartime, women don't get drafted and yet are allowed to vote for politicians that can influence policy that would lead to wars and conflicts that they themselves don't even have to fight in. In simple terms, why should women have the same rights when they don't have the same responsibilities and duties to society? If women were expected to be drafted and fight in war equally like men and have the same stakes, then I could concede that argument and feminists would have a point there. That was one hangup I had with my prior stance of continuing to agree with the position of women's right to vote that I couldn't logically address.
>>536280349Building on the previous exegesis, we must now elucidate the paradoxical logic by which Andrew Wilson’s categorical abstention from licking snizz functions as the ultimate signifier of his purported alpha status.Within the hermetic semiotics of internet masculinity, the alpha male is defined not by his capacity for reciprocal pleasure, but by his ruthless prioritization of dominance over intimacy. Wilson’s force doctrine, which reduces all human interaction to a zero-sum contest of wills, logically extends to the sexual sphere. To lick snizz would be to assume a posture of submission: head bowed, tongue extended, serving the other’s gratification before one’s own. This act, in the alpha imaginary, is coded as beta, a concession of control, an admission that the female body possesses agency worthy of worship.Wilson, by contrast, wields snizz not as an object of desire but as a projectile of contempt. He deploys the word to degrade, to dismiss, to assert lexical supremacy. In his rhetorical universe, the only honorable relation to snizz is to point at it from a distance and laugh. This performative disgust serves a crucial function: it signals that he is above such carnal entanglements, that his libidinal energy has been fully sublimated into the pure will to power.Thus, his refusal to lick snizz becomes evidence of an unassailable alpha purity. He has transcended the messy reciprocity of embodied pleasure. He does not negotiate with snizz; he conquers it by name-calling. In the barren landscape of his own personality, this hollow gesture is the closest thing to a crown. And for those who mistake theatrical contempt for strength, Andrew Wilson stands as a titanium-plated, snizz-loathing colossus. Forever erect in his own imagination, forever unlicking.
Dyer is miles better. I’m not even an orthodox Christian but I’m into debate, have I’ve seen many of his debates, and can’t think of even one where he didn’t make his opponent look retarded.
>>536261725love this guy
>>536262058The “Aryan gods” are made up New Ager bullshit you spazz. Aryan mythology is romantic occult schizo shit. And if you mean Germanic mythology than we don’t actually have any first hand accounts about what they believed. Probably, they were just a loose series of local tribalistic hero worship stories and syncretic agriculture cults. What everyone thinks is true Germanic religion is actually either stuff written by Christian scribes centuries after the cults fell out of fashion, romantic era constructions, or modern academic and Hollywood manufactured delusions. You’re not a son of Odin bro. Just get it through your head you moron.
>>536261725>Blocks his path
>>536280786>Dyer is miles betterThanks, I will take a look.>I’m into debateMe too. It's like watching boxing but with argumentation and reasoning instead and with the purpose of coming to the truth and better understanding of things. It's like doing puzzles, it helps keep your mind sharper and more logically-oriented.>>536280924Same. He is converting me and watching these pro debaters is helping me pick up a few things about debate.>>536279630>>536280349>>536280738Kek that was great
>>536261725He's very embarrassing to watch. Always bad faith, always trying to interrupt and bully the opponent. Not that smart either. Obsessed with trivialities.Him and his bitch wife are just weird.What's strange, and what I give him a lot of props for, he's one of the ONLY e-celebs I've seen, ever, to argue in an intellectual way, giving analogies and examples, etc. and going through arguments in meticulous detail. Clearly a very bright guy. He's very consistent as well. Not the best, but the best we have.Very driven. "Not one step back".He's usually very respectful of the dumb women, as well.Reminder that e-celebs aren't actually selected for their abilities, they're selected for being popular on Youtube/Tiktok. There are much smarter and more capable people out there (by a factor of 1000) that have never been seen or heard from.
>>536280786>Dyer is miles better.Jay Dyer is cool. He covers a lot more ground in his Youtube series, lots of good information about secret societies and CIA operations. Unfortunately it's too late to make use of any of that, since we already live in hell.He is, again, obsessed with trivialities instead of wanting to do something actually useful.
>>536281166>He is converting me and watching these pro debaters is helping me pick up a few things about debate.i didn't need converting but watching leftoids squirm and crash out when he effortlessly dismantles their retarded arguments is a bliss
>>536280703>And that's highly subjective and influenced by things like culture.It's relative to selective pressures but not subjective. It is influenced by culture to some extent, but that culture still exists within an evolutionary context meaning that population could end up going extinct. So it's not possible for a culture to define these things in a way that is antithetical to the foundations. >For most of human history, women couldn't vote. So then the question becomes why should women vote? The status quo is that women can vote. So the question is why shouldn't women vote? >In simple terms, why should women have the same rights when they don't have the same responsibilities and duties to society? This is a perfect example of what I mean. This is an appeal to fairness that only leftists care about. I do not give a shit if society is fair to men and women, or whites and blacks, or whatever. I don't think black people should vote but I still think we should draft black men for war. In fact they should just be made slaves again.
>>536281452I saw him say once that he was less worried about fixing America here and now and more about working to create an orthodox imperium in the future. When you look at the history of their church and saints it’s hard to argue against that goal. So you criticize him for doing exactly what it would make sense for him to do per his religion.
>>536261725
>>536261725>Widely regarded as the greatest debater of our timeI literally do not know who this faggot is
>>536279545Andrew Wilson is legitimately a nigger-tier thinker. The world Andrew Wilson imagines, one in which men as a sex collectively rule society because they can deadlift more than women, has never existed, except in maybe the most primitive tribes of man. It's ooga booga logic. The state/religious institutions had a monopoly on violence. Men, and women sometimes, who were able to wield the power of the state or religion ruled over those who didn't. That includes the bulk of men. It wasn't a boy's club of based redpilled men smoking cigars, sipping whiskey, working out, and complaining about foids.It's also weird that a man who claims to be religious believes that force and raw power determine who should rule society. Doesn't legitimacy come from God? Who has more right to rule, a devout women thrust into power or male warlord who seizes power?>>536280703For most of human history, voting either wasn't a thing, and when it was, universal male suffrage wasn't a thing. It was until 1856 that universal white male suffrage was adopted by every state in America. What Cuckson wants is to turn the the clock back to a particular romanticized version of American liberalism and freeze it there.>women don't get draftedNeither do men over a certain age. Should a man who has never been in the military, who has never been drafted, and is to old to qualify for the draft have the same rights as a man who has has been in the military or is eligible to be drafted? Why? What about societies that require mandatory service from both men and women? Should women be allowed to vote in those countries? If women were to become eligible to be drafted in America or there simple wasn't a draft, does that negate your argument? Is it a draft issue or a suffrage issue?>same responsibilities and duties to society?You can use this argument to disenfranchise large portions of the population.
>>536261725He's a cuck though
>>536282978He's the dad that stepped up.
>>536275525Because he wants more money. Talking about that shit gets you deplatformed.
>>536282536>So it's not possible for a culture to define these things in a way that is antithetical to the foundations.The problem is that people use gender roles and concepts of masculinity to try to henpeck and manipulate men into compliance>If you don't do X, you aren't mAsCuLiNeYou have people like that Watters guy saying ridiculous things like how eating soup is unmasculine.>appeal to fairnessYeah, that's the problem if you don't follow fairness. You can argue straight-up that women just aren't competent enough in the same way that non-adults aren't. You can argue that men basically build and maintain civilization as we know it and therefore voting responsibility which determines the fate of civilization should lie squarely with men.>>536283201>to old to qualify for the draft have the same rights as a man who has has been in the military or is eligible to be draftedThat gets at the point that a lot of these politicians and boomers advocate for conflicts that they themselves don't have to fight or have personal stake in.>Should women be allowed to vote in those countries?Like Israel. I mean honestly then women would have a hell of a better case for being allowed to vote if they share the responsibility of fighting for the nation too. I can't dispute that. The question is would that happen. How many women in the IDF are fighting on the frontlines in Israel's conflicts for example?>does that negate your argument?Yes, that would be sufficient to counter that particular point.>You can use this argument to disenfranchise large portions of the population.Which is why originally it was only white male landholders that could vote. Should some 18 y/o zoomer be able to have the same vote compared to someone that has more competence, influence, or stake in the country? But then you could just argue power interests influence politics in other ways and then that leads to the general issues with democracy.
>>536278446What happened to the Mollymeme debate with him? Thought they planned for one last summer. Maybe molly realized that they're the polar opposites politically. Maybe he didn't receive more than one dollar.Andy makes the right look bad and turns more people to libertarianism.>>536280786>DyerThe religious flat earther?
>>536261791fpbpsnizzlicker btfo'd this lolcow
>>536284082>power interests influence politicspowerful interests influence politics*Like for example AIPAC
>>536261725You forgot how he chimps out when you point out his wife is a whore with multiple baby daddies
>>536280786You haven't watched much then. Dyer looked like a mediocre undergrad when he tried to debate Malpass.
>>536262323So...like him or not?
>>536280786>>536284366This is the debate:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK-rwG392UcDyer simply ignores the powerful arguments that Malpass makes. He doesn't even attempt to show that Malpass is wrong, even though he claims it!
>>536284082>You have people like that Watters guy saying ridiculous things like how eating soup is unmasculine.Yes but whether or not it's truly unmasculine is determined by whether or not eating soup hinders that men spreading their genes. >Yeah, that's the problem if you don't follow fairness. You can argue straight-up that women just aren't competent enough in the same way that non-adults aren't. You can argue that men basically build and maintain civilization as we know it and therefore voting responsibility which determines the fate of civilization should lie squarely with men I like women voting because I'm a eugenicist and want things like abortion, IVF, and embryo selection to be legal. We can look at places where women aren't allowed to vote or are just religious monarchies and see they are very dysgenic shitholes.
>>536261725>never licked snizz
>>536261725Nah hes a cringe fraud. Also hes so manly he cant open a pickle jar
>>536262362Adam green isnt a pagan and you are mad
>>536262058> vain feminine perceptions> thinks it’s correct
>>536261725He's a good public speaker, but he argues against literal retards, he's extremely hostile, and he's supported by an equally hostile chat. His "debates" are somewhat entertaining, but they're really all about preaching to the choir. Also, his force doctrine is retarded.
>>536262823GOD I love birds
>>536263007This 100%
>>536261725This guy is setting off my jewdar, can I get an early life?
>>536284895He's making a living in media as a pundit. They all start at the bottom like that. Even your girl Oprah had shows about gay midget paternity tests at first.Also, what is retarded about his force doctrine?
>>536284653>Yes but whether or not it's truly unmasculine is determined by whether or not eating soup hinders that men spreading their genes.How is masculinity and femininity different than the concept of fitness in the theory of natural selection? Some traits could be considered higher virtues assigned to gender roles that may be incompatible with success in the physical world. Like something worth striving for but not necessarily effective in reality.>I like women voting because I'm a eugenicist and want things like abortion, IVF, and embryo selection to be legal.Why do you need women being able to vote to achieve those things though?>We can look at places where women aren't allowed to vote or are just religious monarchies and see they are very dysgenic shitholes.That's more of a correlation than causation. Does limiting women's right to vote create backwards societies? Or is the presence of universal suffrage a consequence of civilization reaching a certain point? I don't see the connection between women voting=advanced civilization. There are advanced civilizations that have existed that didn't have women's suffrage, and some without representative democracy altogether.
>>536262265Skinny Dan Harmon is your picture of masculinity?
>>536285083>Also, what is retarded about his force doctrine?The idea that rights are derived from the strength of men alone is invalid because the society is far more complex than just a bunch of individual strong men, and there are new kinds but even stronger forms of force that emerge from that complexity. A woman in charge of a police force has real power. The traditions and behaviours that define a culture have real power. Any argument that "but if men just chose to do X" is just as nonsensical as the idea that traffic would flow nicely even during rush hours "if everyone just".
>>536285517So if some group/entity tries to take your rights away through tyrannical takeover, it's going to be (maybe) women police chiefs that stop them? Interesting take.
>>536261725>debatingPsudo-intellectual wankery
>>536285738Entirely possible. But it could also be female teachers indoctrinating the youth, female journalists making the narratives, or female politicians legislating the laws. There are many forms of real force in a complex society that can completely unmake you or your movement.
>>536285517The force doctrine theory is brilliant because it acts as a Catch-22 for feminists. Either feminists concede that men give women their rights, or feminists have to admit that they're in the business of manipulating men and reveal the covert power they wield. It puts feminists in a position in which they can't win. It's not meant to be wielded against redpilled bros because redpilled people have no issue using the horse carriage analogy to help prove that you only need to manipulate the enforcement arm to have power. Horse carriage analogy says that even though the horse or select beast of burden has the force and power over the movement of the wagon, it's not the one that is necessarily in control and more than likely is the person holding the reins manipulating the beasts to do his bidding. It's meant to expose feminists one way or another.
>>536261725>>Widely regarded as the greatest debater of our timeSaid no one ever. He calls himself the best lol >Has literally never lost a debateLost to a lesbo>Dismantles feminism, secular humanism, and liberalism with inexorable forceif you say so>Unstoppable bloodsports debate juggernautMilk squirts is more like it lol>Has a deep genius-level understanding of epistemology, logical reasoning, and countering fallaciesLMAO>Is changing the zeitgeist so that ideas like removing women's rights are becoming massively popular and cannot be logically argued againstWent he loses a debate, he immediately starts talking about fucking a corps or family member.but what can you expect from a cuck
>>536285194>How is masculinity and femininity different than the concept of fitness in the theory of natural selection?It's not really. They describe the two sides of fitness in a sexual species. >Why do you need women being able to vote to achieve those things though? Because women tend to vote for their legality and men tend to vote for their illegality. If that weren't the case then I'd be fine with getting rid of women voting. I don't care about women voting outside of getting the outcomes I want. My ideal society would be a night watchmen state where no one votes.>That's more of a correlation than causation. Maybe, but that's the evidence we have. We don't just discard correlatory evidence.
>>536261725HOW TO WIN A DEBATE>refuse to accept you lost a debate since nobody keeps score since it's just people talking about shit none of them actually know aboutBOOM
>>536261725>Widely regarded as the greatest debater of our timebuy an ad
