Curiosity and Persistence have mogged it into irrelevance. Persistence alone explains high IQ failures.Persistence (perseverance) as defined as;>sustained effort toward completion of a goal-directed task despite challenges or difficulties >Why does one 140 IQ fail when the other succeedshttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10680493>It predicts PISA score cross culturally, self regulation, cognitive flexibility, etchttps://www.frontiersin.org/journals/education/articles/10.3389/feduc.2025.1673500/full>It predicts mathematical ability not reducible to IQhttps://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/01650254241265596>The self regulation of persistence predicts academic scores cross culturally https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886921002828>Persistence is not grinding it produces its own cognitive rewardshttps://ijicases.com/menuscript/index.php/ijicases/article/download/118/86/269>Curiosity and Persistence sustain each other https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38750310/>Curiosity removes socio-economic disadvantage https://www.michiganmedicine.org/health-lab/exploring-link-between-childhood-curiosity-and-school-achievementCuriosity and Persistence sustain and reinforce each other.Curiosity > persistence > cognitive rewards > achievement > reinforced behaviour
YawnWe already know this. You broke 0 ground.Correlation between income and iq is highly solid before 110iq and splits off above it.Because, yup, there are more variable involved in attaining success than iqBUTHaving a low iq limits you by itself. Its like how just being 7ft tall doesn't make up for a lack of skill in basketball but a player with the greatest mastery of fundamental skills can never playbprofessionally if theyre only 5ft.
>>536267200The number is 120 not 110 and the IQ pay increase which is stated to be 200-600 USD annually per 1 IQ point is not supported cross culturally. How did you get that so wrong. Enjoy your estimated 5k extra per year for 20 points kek.
>>536266746>Curve under 145Nobody cares about umper lumpers. It's the smart fraction and their consequences
We're all retards here bro. The fact that we are always right is because low-IQ retards always trust their gut.
>>536266746only women and brown people believe this shit
>>536267453The people who have been here long term likely had the curiosity > persistent circuit rewarded until they were here forever.
IQ becomes a limiting factor in any society that respects nothing but conformity.When the gatekeepers of society are selected by credentials rather than competence, and those credentials become purchasable through profit-driven institutions, the result is institutional decay. Higher education stops producing independent minds and begins manufacturing compliant functionaries.Over time, these institutions crumble under the weight of their own incompetence. This is what we now see across much of the Western world: broad-spectrum failure across government, finance, academia, media, law, and culture. The natural consequence of rewarding compliance, nepotism, and credentialed obedience is the rise of despotic systems. Language is filtered. Ideas are policed. Thought itself is narrowed until only the assumptions of the ruling regime are permitted to survive.Eventually, leadership becomes trapped inside a cage built by its own yes-men. The people closest to power are selected not for wisdom, courage, or truthfulness, but for their willingness to reinforce the illusion. Governance then becomes blind, brittle, and ineffective.At that point, even those who once upheld the system begin trying to dismantle it from within. The society turns against itself. Its institutions no longer serve the people; they consume them.This is what has happened to Western societies. What remains is managed decline: a slow looting of the ship while everyone pretends it is still sailing.The answer is not to reform a system designed to enslave people through debt, inflation, compliance, and dependency. The answer is to stop feeding it. Stop using their money where possible. Stop seeking permission from captured institutions. Build decentralised communities, parallel systems, independent economies, and forms of life that do not depend on the machinery of decline.The future belongs to those who can walk away from the collapsing order and build something freer.
>>536267301"not supported cross culturally" can be chalked up to market availability of jobs that pay in higher ranges to begin with across geographic regionsbut you would know that if you weren't retarded
>>536266746Curiosity is a form of intelligence though, and i qould argue persistence is very influenced by genetics
>>536267439Great analysis Mgebu
>>536267558IQ never worked to begin with.
>>536266746I only believe iq data that was released before the internet
>>536267539Blow it out your ass nerd.
>>536267578IQ never worked the way it was advertised as. It's not supposed to change. And the paradox of the 130-160 life failures being so apparent they had to change it to cut off its success at 120 only proves the inaccuracy.You are like a boomer clinging to a newspaper complaining about digital technology. You got old.
>>536266746Damn. Sucks being a lazy genius dunnit fellers ;(
If you think IQ makes you "intelligent" you're the mark I'm friends with 80 IQ Blacks way more successful and intelligent than all of you
>>536267851Persistence can be trained it's malleable. It can also be diminished.
>>536267785>paradox of the 130-160 life failuresNot paradox. They was downpressed if they didn't take the ticket
>>536266746It's pattern recognition. I'm 175IQ, tested 3 times in life always the same. Should change as you get smarter or loose cognitive skills. If I'm a genius, why am I the dumbest person on the block? It's bullshit.
>>536266746How much did science charge for this breakthrough discovery?
Persistence and curiosity (except about ecelebs) aren't hallmarks of the current generation. Best of luck.
>>536268150Going to the gym trains persistence.
>>536267785IQ is a human ability, not determinism, you nigger brained sasquatchIt isn't that big of a deal that someone with and IQ of 140 doesn't maximize his lifeThe problem would be if niggers started becoming doctors and rocket scientistsBut they don't. Because IQ is a valid indicator of being a nigger
>>536267489Shut up jeet
the retardmaxer doesn't think, he doeswhen you do, you get resultsif you overthink all day, nothing gets done
>>536268245Curiosity in nigger children is a predictor of success that overrides socio-economic status. I already linked it. IQ does not predict this. There are many niggers who have contributed to hard sciences in ways beyond your comprehension.Niggers are actually the example that proves IQ is useless.
>>536267558dangerously based.it’s the dark triad ruler class and their NPC yesmen vs the high IQ individualists. the war of our time.
>>536268077>I'm 175IQAn IQ test can only test up to 160-170 lol.
>>536267785>>536267913Because IQ measures your tolerance. You are supposed to start with a high IQ as a toddler, so you can make up a quick rough worldview, but then it's supposed to drop, so you stop living in that fantasy world and start getting real. As it drops, you are supposed to start realizing how your past views were bullshit, and create better ones. High IQ at an older age implies you're either a retard, who still has isdues to solve, or that you learned to solve tests.
>>536267578> Retards argue about who is more retarded
>>536268489Lol wrong who read the post to you?
Anyone below the age of 25 that was born in the west has been primed and prepped to be cattle. They've been stripped of their ability to distinguish fact from fiction and can easily be swayed via media. Their only remaining value is their right to vote which is what every power having entity is fighting for. Their welfare is no longer of a concern since our overlords have already decided to replace us by century end. It's literally what Thiel is saying out loud and what previously liberal tech moguls like Zuckerberg realized before turning inwards.Theres only 10 ish years left of social mobility imo. All the rich people have long since abandoned public schools and it's already too deep in to the death cycle to save it imo.
>>536268569You made this the fuck up. IQ is not measuring tolerance its a quotient. By definition the average IQ at age 5 is 100. Raw cognitive ability rises through development but IQ is not stable. You have swallowed a lot of lies without even knowing what it is.
>>536268785No. High IQ makes it easire to solve problems, because it makes you happy with poorer answers, not because of any better cognitive capacity. It's probably regulated by dopamine. The level of dopamine determines your tolerance for error, and at the same unpredictable situations increase dopamine. This regulates your cognition so that you can find some answers early on, but also use spare cognitive capacity to find better aswers once you can handle everything well. Some torture methods may work in this way, they throw you back to the infantile state by creating situations that you can't oredict or otherwise cogniyively handle.
>>536269597First you said IQ drops by design now you say it's a dopamine set tolerance for error. Both are wrong. You've inverted it dopamine doesnt even set error tolerance but governs reward, motivation and effort. If you have too much or too little you get impaired memory. There is no evidence that more dopamine means more IQ.I'm not defending IQ as a metric I just cant imagine how you came to these conclusions. IQ punishes poor answers that make you happy, that's low impulse. Everything you have posted has been wrong.
>>536268752What is your favourite painting? This isn't a test or trap. I am genuinely curious, presently studying a aesthetic neuroscience papers just now and would love to hear from any anons about their favourite art.Not to profile you but because to think about art, organises the brain in a highly beneficial way to the nervous system.
If any anon is willing to answer what their favourite painting isthat would be great.This has nothing to do with your politics - just purely your favourite aesthetic work.As, as I mentioned - it does something incredible to the brain - which is is synthesises the entire network of the brain
>>536270036Idk what it's called but this one.
>>536267439I have an IQ of 169 as determined by my middle school(in their dilemma of what to do with the kid causing trouble, figuring out whether to expel me or not), they made me take the test twice due to the unexpectedly high score. I maintain a non-interference policy with the lesser life forms, unwilling to lead to their destruction by giving them my peaceful ideas, only to have them perverted into killing machines. I’m not going to support the actions of our Government, and basically anything that would be “worthwhile” for someone of my intelligence would by its very nature help our government with its objectives. Unfortunately, if I attempt to help the governments whose actions I do support, I’d probably be labeled a radicalized terrorist or some shit. So, we’re at an impasse.
>>536266746yeah ofc iq is just a baseline that you're supposed to massively augment with domain-specific knowledge and experience
>>536270036>>536269873No one gives a shit about paintings my friend, most people probably couldn't even name one. I like the Bob Ross painting with the happy little trees myself
>>536270036Here, the name of it is on the back and I can’t be bothered to check, but it’s hanging above my bed and quite nice
>>536270036i haven't looked at many paintings but school of athens resonates with me quite bitI also like one of durers portraits
>>536270174Oh that is truly beautiful. I just love the blue haze and the feeling of the outdoors. She is collecting honey, which is a potent symbol in health and the intellect. As well as spirituality.Thank you.
>>536269873GuernicaArt literacy in the u.s. is HIGHLY dependent on education. I only learned about art/aesthetics through my university. Most people couldn't name 10 paintings
>>536270036
>>536266746>. Persistence alone explains high IQ failures.That only means that schools are obsessed with making students jump through hoops and make a bunch of silly time consuming homework. People can persist in learning a subject. But it gets hard when schools make them perform tricks, and fails them if they don't toe the line. Smarter people are more rebellious. You should work with them, not against them. Persistence isn't one size fits all.
>>536266746A retard, what else to expect from Australia.Learn that conscientiousness (a proper name of the personality trait behind persistence/perseverance) is correlated with IQ, which totally makes sense, because the smarter one is, the further one's horizon is into the future.It's just your retarded cope for having low IQ.
>>536270390That's a beauty - from the period of impressionism I think? I love the dancing scenes - what an incredible time to be alive in history. The buzzing of the Salons. Beautiful.>>536270380Love Bob Ross - and his Squirly, all the animals he rescued. He was a Drill Sergeant in his youth you know? Quite the contrast huh?>>536270436Oh I simply Love Raphael. Albrecht Durer's melancholia is a profoundly deep etching. It features a magic square of sorts doesn't it?Raphael's School of Athens has approximately three people breaking the fourth wall, of course Raphael is one of them!
>>536270036Beauty and happiness are where it's at
>>536270553Isn't it incredible how Picasso was so utterly brilliant in realism and still his aesthetic impulse was to return to a childlike form of art? I find that fascinating.
>>536270390Dance at Bougival
>>536270642What an absolute Masterpiece by Botticelli - this is the very emergence of sublimity within our realm isn't it? Stunning.>>536270861Oh the Pre-Raphaelites are some of the most beautiful works on earth - am I correct in thinking this piece is by Godward?
>>536270036Pablo.
>>536270804Here’s the back
>>536270974>GodwardJohn William Waterhouse, so correct on the first and middle names
>>536270959Correct
>>536271067>>536271112I can only assume it’s a well done copy, but the texturing is phenomenal
>>536269872There is no contradiction there. You start with high dopamine, high error tolerance. That allows you to make up a rough worldview. Once you can handle such a simplified world easily, you no longer experience overwhelming situations that would keep your dopamine high, so your tolerance for errors start dropping, and you notice some of the bullshit that you've made up (or have been taught). When you experience something novel, that you can't handle easily, your dopamine temporarily increases, so that you can deal with it. This may be how some seemingly nonsensical torture methods work. They create unpredictable overwhelming situations that make your dopamine increase again. Sensory deprivation/white room torture causes the opposite and makes your worldview collapse, by dropping your dopamine, which snaps you out of whatever brainwashing you were a victim of. But a high IQ implies that there are still things that you can't effectively deal with. You are too dumb for your environment.
>>536271094Ah Thank you, I remember now - Godward did those stunning paintings of Olympus. Many Roses present in those.Beautiful.
>>536271007Oh the Blue Period I believe they call this phase in his work - it's beautiful melancholy.
>>536271212>still things that you can't effectively deal withWont there always be new things that you can't effectively deal with, or does it just boil down to "nothing ever happens"? I've always been told that you should keep growing and adapting for as long as possible, even old age.
>>536271434My fave.
High IQ don’t impact the world anymore
My favourite painting oh it's very hard to choose - I love this one
My other favourite - because the marble is absolutely - otherworldly.The clarity of the light just blows my mind
>>536271922This one is much more realistic in its capturing of the tone of the moment, I like the positivity of the first but this one definitely resonates more.
>>536272164Just a moment ago I thought of this songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=670YMraVnykDo you know it?
>>536270180indubitable good sirrah pip pip cheeriothis is demooocracyyyy manifest.get over your ego bud
>>536272869It’s been a long time since I’ve heard Nancy Sinatra, but indeed I have, such a beautiful song.
>>536273001IDK how you could be OK with knowing that your fingerprints and dna is on the material blowing up civilians and dumbass kids who “signed up for the meat grinder” due to their limited economic opportunities or because they thought they were doing the right thing(ever faithful believers of propaganda that they are), but you do you, I guess.
>>536273093Yes it's beautiful. The 60s were such a powerful time in music. The creativity was steeped in an otherworldliness based on idyllic imaginings. People were thinking with great hope for the future them. The music was outstanding.What's your favourite 60s track?
>>536266746>Curiosity and Persistence have mogged it into irrelevance. Persistence alone explains high IQ failures.>Persistence (perseverance) as defined as;>>sustained effort toward completion of a goal-directed task despite challenges or difficulties>>Why does one 140 IQ fail when the other succeeds>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10680493>>It predicts PISA score cross culturally, self regulation, cognitive flexibility, etc>https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/education/articles/10.3389/feduc.2025.1673500/full>>It predicts mathematical ability not reducible to IQ>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/01650254241265596>>The self regulation of persistence predicts academic scores cross culturally>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886921002828>>Persistence is not grinding it produces its own cognitive rewards>https://ijicases.com/menuscript/index.php/ijicases/article/download/118/86/269>>Curiosity and Persistence sustain each other>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38750310/>>Curiosity removes socio-economic disadvantage>https://www.michiganmedicine.org/health-lab/exploring-link-between-childhood-curiosity-and-school-achievement>Curiosity and Persistence sustain and reinforce each other.>Curiosity > persistence > cognitive rewards > achievement > reinforced behaviourinterestingmay be true considering how stupid people lack curiosity
>>536273331I’m a big fan of Kitty Wells, her album Queen Of Honky Tonk Street. She’s similar in vein to Skeeter Davis. Cincinnati, OhioAll the TimePaper MansionsThere’ll never be another youIt’s such a pretty world today Nat King Cole comes to mind as well- Nature Boy, or Mona Lisa.
>>536270180What many people do not know is that practically no IQ test is able to test for extremely high results like those above 160. This is because IQ tests are essentially rank orderings fit onto a bell curve with a mean of 100 and an std of 15. To be able to differentiate between a result of, say, 169 and 168, you'd need to calibrate the test using a dataset of hundreds of thousands or even millions of people. No test has done that. So if somebody claims to have an IQ above 160, he's bullshitting almost certainly. Anything abvoe 145 is already suspicious.
>>536271212Prove it.
>>536273656They gave it to me in terms of “top .99999999999(how ever many nines it was), and I had to extrapolate the result from that. It was about 168-170, which I usually round off, not wanting to claim a number higher than Einstein(168?). I also had to factor in when the test was taken, fall of 2005, as the metric is always shifting.
>>536271640You should be able to handle everything easily. An adult shouldn't find any common occurence overwhelming. You are not very intelligent if you do. Also, it seems to be how grouos keep their members brainwashed - there is constant tension, teasing, or other cause of stress, and no peace that would allow people to notice the bullshit.
>>536273792I was 13 at the time and it didn’t occur to me until 21 how significant it was, and how desperately lonely it is to be unable to communicate effectively with the vast majority of humans.
>>536273650If I were appealing to a wider audience, incense and peppermints is groovy as hell.
>>536266746Yes, I'm high IQ and Curiosity but medium to low persistence. I'm only successful because my IQ carries me through my laziness just well enough.
>>536271828I see now that this woman has gained enlightenment, hence the overly positive vibes of the picture. I hadn’t realized that the glint of light passes through the opening in the wall, falling upon her head. It’s more interesting the closer I look, but still, it doesn’t have the same powerful energy as some other paintings, it doesn’t move me in the same way. >>536273331Your favorite track of the time? Or collection of tracks?
>>536266746nice, i was thinking about this just a few days agoi guess it explains why there's literally millions of people with iqs of over 140 yet so few of them do anything exceptional
>>536273985i feel u brohttps://michaelwferguson.substack.com/p/the-inappropriately-excluded
>>536268428Now it’s obvious you are trolling or a shill. Either way, kill yourself nigger.
>>536268077>If I'm a genius, why am I the dumbest person on the block?To make use of pattern recognition you have to be presented (or rather present yourself) with patterns. If you just sit in your room jacking off then you never see any so its of no use. And most things aren't a pattern or puzzle to be solved and are instead just repetition. For example no matter how smart you are you can't learn a new language or skill instantly as you can't "solve" your biological limits of how much information you can absorb at one time. Smart or dumb, only consistent effort will produce results.
>>536266746IQ is just a way to measure pattern recognition, generally it's a decent indicator of intelligence but it's not enough alone, true intellect is defined by the ability to learn to new things, understand their mechanics to core and to develop solutions as well as new concept by using previously learnt concepts.
>>536274654The thing is, if you unironically say something like “it truly is lonely at the top”, even to a group of fairly intelligent people who recognize your intelligence, you’ll just get a laugh, they don’t face the same issue as there are magnitudes more people within 130-140 range than 160-170. You’ll go the vast majority of life without ever experiencing real connection with one of your peers, as they are so far and few between. To constantly put yourself out there among the sea of piss just to hopefully stumble upon a gem, this is the reality of intelligence. I spent years trying to dull it before coming to terms with my destiny.
>>536269873Wanderer above the sea of fog
>>536273650Oh I love Nat King Cole - he's a favourite of mine.I will have to look into the other artists you mentions, I really don't know them.Nat King Cole is perfection.
>>536267301>cross culturally Never underestimate the blunt force of nepotism and toadying.
>>536274944>>536274948The test really is nothing more than basic “what comes next” or “what doesn’t belong” pattern recognition, presented in various forms. It was an exceedingly simple test, which amazed me at the time. What amazed me more was that they wanted me to retake it, having expected a much lower result, failing to recognize boredom in a “no child left behind” environment when they see it.
>>536274161Oh I love that track. I definitely remember that kind of vibe. It's lovely. Then you have tracks like Kyrie - do you know it?Popul Vuhhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbF5zWBymJI
>>536270180Thank you, archivistbot360, for the pasta.If you could append a statement regarding the veracity of the pasta you are sharing it might improve outlooks.
>>536275089This is Kitty Wells’ finest album in my opinion, she laid the groundwork for shittier musicians such as Reba McIntire or Tanya Tucker, which is unfortunate, but such is life.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TvM_KORGvU
>>536275266This is awesome, thank you. I haven’t heard this in its entirety yet, only snippets I hadn’t been able to source
>>536266746Yes we know that the educational system is designed for, encourages and rewards conscientious midwits.
>>536275327This was typed out by me, although I’ve been known to share old copypasta from time to time. But my story has probably been told here in various forms before.
>>536267785>130-160 life failuresBy who's definition? The midwit's definition?
>>536274405I really love The Doors. There is something about their music with makes you feel like it's a soundtrack to the everyday happenings in your life - I think it's fantastic music.The Beach Boys are Angelic and completely tapped into the point of infinite coherence among people - the resonance was one of happiness and belief. I know some thing in the 60s were strange but the music was just so incredible and so many artists were knocking out these pieces of music which were moving the human spirit in a very deep way - deeper than the classical music salons even I would say.
>>536275327Probably there is much resonance with the teachings of Uncle Ted? Hahaha. I’ve labeled myself as a bot due to my robotic intonation and prose, after having my computational logic-forward Asperger’s style labeled as that of a bot or AI, it’s high praise at this point.
>>536274914You have added nothing to the discussion or our own life. You are much more likely to kill yourself than me.
>>536275524Oh, really? Ok then, archivistbot360. You should get yourself checked for narcissism.While you're at it, practice not larping as a literal retard with a big number.
>>536275620Society surely was a lot more cohesive in those times, homogeneous. The whole west essentially was watching the same 5 TV channels, same 10 or so radio programs. Much less splintered than today.
>>536266746Another thing about having a high IQ is you realize there’s no actual difference between so-called success and simply doing nothing with your intellect despite the insistence that there’s some other magical characteristic called perseverance they lack. That idea of perseverance fades into nothing against the consideration that there’s no sense in contributing the gifts of intelligence to this pitiful world which invariably fails to appreciate them. In short, fuck you, that’s why. Not because I couldn’t, but because I choose to not use an exploitative cohesive instrument called money to control other humans and derive wealth and status from them.
>>536275763Not larping, unironically have better things to do than go on the internet and tell lies.
>>536275526By the definition of the original predictive claims made by IQ which have now been thoroughly disproven. If you dont already know they had to edit IQ because so many 130+ did not succeed in life. The cut off is now 120.
>>536273656There are multiple different scales for IQ tests with different standard deviations giving different magnitudes of answers. The number without knowing the test, is dubious.
>>536275346Oh I love that. Beautiful.Do you like the Everly Brothers?
I can spend hours or days solving a problem in a game like Minecraft or for my hobbies, but the second I have to go cut grass it makes me want to blow my brains out for 30 minutes.
>>536267558New leader of the free world levels of based. Was thinking we need readily deployable plans for systems which are entirely localized and don’t need connection to anything outside of them to function and serve core human interests like materials, food, let’s see them control a city of a few thousand who are entirely independent.
>>536266746>high IQ failures.Failures how? Let me guess, money money money. Comparing IQ to wealth is retarded because only fools worship money. Of course high IQ people are less interested in chasing tokens to play somebody else's game, that's retard behaviour more fitting of a lab rat. And chase them why? For a material benefit that may give them a very brief moment of pleasure before they get bored and have to do it again?
>>536275942Ofc, as well as Statler, and Flatt/Scruggs.
>>536276046What you describe is no longer IQ. Go and read the original predictive claims made by IQ scores. The fact it does not work in the way it was originally intended and described is telling you that it's inaccurate. >Of course high IQ people are less interested in chasing tokensThis is neo-IQ.
>>536275836But you could use money to enforce your will onto the world, gaining power and then remaking it to be not shit. There is no excuse for being a willing poorfag. It’s fine to be poor that can happen due to circumstance, but remaining there without trying to change is the issue. Also intelligence agencies love guys like you, you’re post rationalizing your cowardice with contempt. Contempt is the easiest emotion for them to work with to make you a perma loser non threat to their jew rapist masters.
>>536275882>I'm not larpingBut you are. All I have to do is take note of the empty posturing and a larp becomes apparent.If anything, you're just reinforcing that despite your personal merit, you are the lesser life form.
>>536275763This is my bedroom at 16yrs old.
>>536276126>What you describe is no longer IQ. How? And what is neo-IQ?
IQ was never anything more than a prediction of life success, it then changed to be a prediction of learning ability and not it has changed again to about 10+ different thinks all of which have been stated in this thread.Why do you cling to the notion of IQ when you are all describing things which have nothing to do with IQ. The dogma of IQ has seriously damaged people. It never worked. Higher IQ does not correlate to refusing a job this is such a strange idea it's like the AI slop videos.
>>536275882That user you just spoke to was part of an adversarial network. Even if they wanted to be your friend they couldn't.They are DARPA programmed.
>>536275906>predictive claims made by IQReal question.Why would you expect someone with an IQ of 145 have the same definition of "success in life" as someone with an IQ three standard deviations lower?Let me put it another way... Why would a normal person choose the life goals of a 70 IQ retard as his own gold standard definition of success?
Never forget
>>536276319>IQ was never anything more than a prediction of life successIQ tests are pattern recognition and prediction. It was never what you claim it was. Those with better pattern recognition and prediction skills are less likely to aimlessly chase money. Everyone else just does it because they're copying each other. They bitch about it most the time. And buy shiny things to cope for a short while before they get bored of it and need another new item. It's a pattern of pointless behaviour.
>>536276497Answer this firstWhy are you still using a system thought up by shrinks over 100 years ago even after the guys who designed it explicitly said it is not to be used in the way you are using it?
>>536276473Excuse me, retarded memefag.Did you really come out of the woodwork to posit a no u on behalf of someone I am mocking for being actively antisocial?No, "antisocial" does not mean "introverted." It means actively detrimental in social interactions.Fucking moral support shills.
>>536276117I don't know those artists - I will add them to the list.I love the wholesomeness of the 50s tracks. 60s was a shift in dynamics but it was far closer to self-realisation as a collective country than I think has ever been achieved. Extraordinary art was often reserved through a system of "discernment" where taste is said to have been informed by social upbringing - this is said to bring above demarcation of classes and even tests between boundaries.I love that the 60s wasn't about that - nor was it anything resembling communism. It was a true collective state emerging from individual self-realisation. Yes there were casualties among the way but I think they wouldn't trade it.
>>536276610Lewis Madison Terman never said that IQ is pattern recognition. Where the fuck do you get that from?
>>536276841Have you done an IQ test before? What did it involve?
I want to remind everyone in this thread that the guys who made IQ and the test for it never called it pattern recognition. Stop repeating this nonsense.
>>536276746The other Anon doesn't need my help. I just replied because there was an injustice a foot.
>>536274987i'm aproximately an sd below you but i understand your plight because the average here is about an sd lower than where you residei used to be pretty miserable but now i've come to accept loneliness. it's just how things are
>>536276892Why did the creators disagree with you?
>>536267301As if IQ benefit is only a number on the Jew buck. Midwit.
>>536277025Observation of self imposed social dysfunction is not "injustice," troon.
>>536277127Why are you answering a question with a question?
Bruh I just realised that many of you honestly do not know that the IQ test changed. And the pattern recognition one is completely modern and it is an equilivant.
>>536276497See that all the time on /sci/ where an anon comes in, raging that some high IQ person "hasn't accomplished anything", where the anon's definition of accomplishments are things that entertain and excite the anon.Marilyn vos Savant was once asked why she isn't spending her life solving hunger or creating world peace. Her response was "I don't care about those things". She's married to the inventor of the artificial heart and spent much of her life writing books, magazine articles, and raising their children. That's what made her happy. But for the average "I FUCKIN' love science" normie, if you're not producing headlines that remind them of their current year Netflix media product, you've failed. Luckily those of higher levels of intelligence know better than to evaluate their lives based on the criteria set by normies. It's also worth noting that back in the early 90s, when she was asked what she thought was the largest problem facing the US in the coming decades, she answered "hyphenated Americans", meaning people who are making their own subcultures inside of the US and pushing those into taking over the central control of society. Indian-American, Chinese-American, African-American, if there's hyphen, they're creating instability for the nation. Her answer was in Parade Magazine, which almost every large newspaper in the country included with their Sunday edition. Saying such a thing now would guarantee cancellation. Back then it was common sense. People were far more upset over her answer to the Monty Hall Problem.
>>536277265Post an original IQ test then, one without the pattern recognition. It would prove you point better than all these replies.
>>536277205Because of this >>536277265I got jarred by the fact you didnt know this. You did an equilivant not the original. Like I said before, it has changed multiple times in over 100 years.
>>536277319Post it then, if you're here to teach then teach.
>>536277317Wechsler Adult Intelligence ScaleMore?
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>>536277355Cattell Culture Fair Intelligence TestAll comprehensive IQ testing is not pattern recognition with symbols. You did a modern child's test and you think its standard.
>>536267439Common idiot opinion but it’s the floor of the masses that sets the capabilities for a society, as we’re all learning in real time
>>536277424Just doing it right now and the 3rd question is pattern recognition? Also the other questions are like a special needs application for special school.
>>536277500The pattern testing was the original. The progressives inserted nonsense so women would do better.
>>536277569>3rd question Yes a comprehensive IQ tests involves a minority of pattern recognition. This proves you are wrong and IQ is not just pattern recognition.
>>536277424Take your ass to wikipedia and tell me what the fucking picture is.>>536277500Then take your head out of your ass and discuss the subject genuinely.
>>536277640Oh, so your entire argument against me wasn't that I was wrong it was that I didn't list every single aspect in my original post, quoting the man ones of pattern recognition and prediction. Either your communication skills are dreadful or you're back tracking.
>>536277569post link
>>536277635The original IQ test was entirely focused on practical, real-world abilities, language. That is why they had to change it to pattern recognition for the people outside the culture. You have it backwards.The pure pattern recognition IQ tests are the DEI tests you morons.
>>536277753I'm warning you, you will cringe at the stupidity of the questions.https://iqtest-free.org/wechsler-adult-intelligence-scale
>>536277743Or he’s doing both like all internet fags
>>536277762>the DEI testsIf you’re as smart as you seem to think you are, you need to kick the habits of using shibboleths for retards so other smart people don’t laugh you off.
>>536277743No you are wrong. You said IQ is pattern recognition but the original IQ test did not involve pattern recognition. It was added later for people like you. >>536277762Let me put it like this; The psychologists who invented the IQ test over 100 years ago explicitly disagree with you, and so do the psychologists of today. Nothing you say is rooted in fact.
>>536274987>spent years trying to dull it before coming to terms with my destiny.I took datura and it worked tho, killed my internal monolog which was my intention
>>536267558You cant get more based than that.
>>536270180>>536273985It's called early maturity. When I was 5 years old, my pediatrician told my parents that according to height growth curves, I could grow "up to" 205cm tall, but I'm "only" 190cm tall. I essentially regressed 2 whole standard deviations towards the mean.>>536273656Pretty much this. Most people don't understand how IQ works.
>>536277863Now this guy thinks he can read my mind. Neo-IQ.
>>536266746>Why does one 140 IQ fail when the other succeedsBecause IQ isn't everything? Nevertheless, IQ is real because people under ~130 IQ simply cannot solve very simple problems and cannot hold a lot of information in their heads. They just can't do it.But out of the ~2% of people that are >130, maybe 1 in 1000 are creative, original thinkers, interested in stuff like politics, etc. so smart people are FAR more rare than IQ suggestsCombination of rare traits, venn diagram. Good traits might be quite a bit more common in high IQ but they're still rare
>>536277884I asked you to post the original test and you linked me to something that included pattern recognition.>>536278052I also asked you to explain what neo-IQ is but you never did either?
>>536275906They haven’t been disproven. What occurred is jewry and their feds spread misinformation in a dialectical fashion. On one hand you have the jewish leftist types tell you it’s all social conditioning, and rhe other you have shills like jordan peterson who work for israel telling you it’s impossible to increase iq. Both are weaponized on different subset of white society. One is for the retard midwit whites who willingly commit racial suicide for jews, and the other is for those who are aware something is off but they’re told by what are considered aurhority with flimsy evidence and methodology it is impossible to raise Iq and therefoe collectively challenge and destroy jewry and their intel agencies. The truth is iq is foundationally fixed by genes, but you can do certain things which changes the physiology of your brain, thereby increasing IQ permanently. The caveat is that in order to obtain the info and act on it with sufficient discipline to raise IQ you need an already somewhat high IQ.
>>536267200>Having a low iq limits you by itself. Which proves that IQ is pseudo-scientific garbage since we can tell that a person is retarded through all kinds of manners, for example, by just talking to them for 5 minutes. So nothing special about IQ when it is accurate, and nothing accurate about it when it it goes above the level of what any normal person can judge about someone else's intelligence.
>>536278256Oh no no no.You CANNOT tell intelligence by speaking to someone.Do you know what it would be like to speak to Dirac?You are mistaken on this point.Plato encapsulated this in his Gorgias dialogue - the orator is by no means a superior intelligence.
>>536278256How long does it take one to acknowledge the presence of a pile as a dump truck unloads?
>>536278196I'm not your mother if you are so technologically illiterate as to require my assistance in finding such things there is no point continuing.>>536278204This is somewhat accurate to what the quacks who invented it believed, but from what I can tell they were pro-jew. In fact I think one of them was a jew.
>>536278391>confusing oration for conversationExcuse you, memefag.
>>536278429You posted something to prove your point and it didn't prove your point, in fact it did the opposite. I brought it up thinking maybe you had sent me to the wrong test but judging by that reply it seems not. You seem very egotistical, I think you're mistaking it for intelligence. Have a nice day.
>>536278429He asked for the original text, do you have it or not stop obfuscating.You could have defeated him in argument, I do not know. Which text is he asking after you?
Yes I'm right. Jews invented IQ. William Stern (The Inventor of "IQ") was Jewish.David Wechsler (Creator of the Modern Standard) was Jewish.So over 100 years ago Jews made IQ and whites still argue about it to this day.
>>536278391>You CANNOT tell intelligence by speaking to someone.reread my post, do it carefully, do it twice.
>>536276497Because a higher level of intelligence doesn’t preclude one from base impulses like desires for wealth, sex and acceptance. High iq people who spurn such things usually do so as a cope because achieving something worthwhile is hard no matter how smart you are and they’re lazy niggers and cowards like most people. This is why high IQ whites are typically ivy league faggots sucking jewish cock instead of what it used to be prior to ww2 loss which is renaissance men, inventors, captains of industry. All the top ppl in world jewry’s slave states are blackmailed midwits. Musk is a perfect example.
>>536278615Alfred Binet (Co-creator of the First Practical Test) was Jewish.Fucking kek.
>>536278480Well forgive me I concede on this point, however my original articulation remains.You cannot enter into dialogue with an individual where the brain is ill-fitted towards that style of communication and declare them unintelligent - that would be a profound civilisation travesty.
>>536278573He's saying the original IQ test has nothing to do with pattern recognition or prediction, so I asked him to link me to it, and he linked to a test that is pattern recognition and prediction (shapes, which of these animals is the odd one out). Now he's talking about my mother. That's the long and short of it.
>>536266746Just a theory, but I think high IQ individuals are more likely to do something the hard way because it not a inconvenience to them whereas a simple person is forced to create and use new methods and tools to achieve that same goal. Example: I know a person who doesn’t save numbers in the phone because they just memorize they and dial if they need to,Me on the other hand, I barely remember my own number, so I use phone book/speed dial. He’s smarter, I’m faster with less effort
>>536278725>you cannotDo not speak for me. There is more to conversation than words. Your incompetence is not reflective of my capabilities.Additionally, it is "one cannot."
>>536278641My point remains >>536278725It would be a profound Civilisational Travesty Language isn't demonstrative of Gamma synthesis within the brain associated with higher intelligence - it's largely rote.
>>536278740It cannot be linked because it was done in the presence of a psychologist. There was no standard IQ test it was added later to include different people and cultures. I already said this. You just continue to straw man.
>>536278892So none of the questions are written down anywhere? And you're arguing with me about the questions? What are you doing? Find the questions or shut the fuck up you retard.
>>536278429Nobody pre ww2 was pro jew. Jewry weeded its way into power using pedophilia propaganda. Everyone normal hates jews, it’s a natural response to encountering a sentient parasite larping as a person. It’s like when you see a nig you instinctually even the shitlibbiest lib treat them like they could chimpout at any point. Because they can. We evolved sophisticated predator identification over time, and the natural antipathy to jewry is that. So called ‘intellectuals’ who see the parasite in a positive fashion often lie for position, or they’re feds, and in rare cases genuine philosemites are severely mentally ill. They’re the pro jew version of the weeaboo.
>>536278256>by just talking to them for 5 minutes.Sounds reliable. Who's going to be doing the judging btw, ~103 IQ normies like (you)?>So nothing special about IQ when it is accurateDespite being based on a pseudoscience, it's maybe the most "accurate" measure we have. The normal distribution is fascinating and insane. Take the digit span test, the results form a perfect bellcurve, even though it's just a range of numbers (456789). That's not some contrived test, it's just remembering numbers.
>>536278973I'm sure they are but I'm not digging through 100 year old jewish books to find it for you.>>536278974Three jews invented IQ.
>>536266746IQ makes it harder to find meaning in life, and if you don't think anything is worth doing why would you "succeed"
This is a question from the original 1905 IQ test;>"What is the difference between esteem and affection?""What is the difference between weariness and sadness?"It must be answered in the presence of a trained psychologist.
>>536279008Extremely smart people usually talk quite dumb anyway, because they've learnt in life they have to dumb things down for others if they actually want to effectively communicate. Midwits try to use the biggest words because their goal isn't to communicate with others it's just to promote an appearance of intelligence to others.>>536279042Stop arguing about it then. Honestly. You need to reflect on your own ego it's out of control to the point I don't even think you know what you're doing beyond trying to "win". Find the original IQ test or stop arguing with others about the contents of the original IQ test. OK?
>>536270180You should ensure Iran obtains a nuclear weapon, which everyone agrees would be a good thing
>>536266746Migger cope
>>536279263I don't need to find the original IQ test when the guys who invented it disagree with you. You are the one who has to disprove them. I cannot prove a negative. So go ahead and disprove creators so and show me how it was a measure of pattern recognition.
The sentiment of the thread is a volatile mix of **intellectual nihilism**, **cynicism toward institutional authority**, and **tribal defensiveness**, punctuated by moments of genuine aesthetic appreciation.**Key Sentiment Themes:*** **Cynicism and Cope:** A dominant undercurrent is the belief that the current societal structure is "managed decline" or a "death cycle." Many users express that high IQ individuals are either "life failures" because they refuse to play a rigged game, or they are "lonely" outcasts who cannot connect with the "lesser life forms." There is a pervasive sense of disillusionment with education, government, and media.* **Hostility and Ad Hominem Attacks:** The discussion is frequently derailed by aggressive insults, racism, and antisemitic tropes (particularly regarding the origins of IQ tests). Users often resort to attacking the intelligence or character of opposing posters ("retard," "midwit," "shill") rather than engaging with arguments, creating a toxic atmosphere.* **Intellectual Superiority vs. Imposter Syndrome:** There is a complex dynamic where users claim high IQs (often 160+) to assert dominance, yet simultaneously express deep loneliness and a sense of being misunderstood. This creates a sentiment of "arrogant misery," where intelligence is viewed as a curse that isolates the individual from society.* **Nostalgia and Idealization:** In stark contrast to the harsh debate, a significant portion of the thread shifts to a warm, reverent tone when discussing 1960s music, impressionist art, and specific paintings. Users express genuine awe and emotional connection to these cultural artifacts, providing a brief respite from the political and psychological infighting.
>>536279423Just stop already, Jesus Christ.
>>536279503Take your own advice. For a guy who claims to have superior pattern recognition you dont seem to be able to recognise how this was going to go.
>>536273985Any more of this dataset?
>>536270036Keith Thompson, most of his works
>>536279447>Intellectual Superiority vs. Imposter Syndrome>refuses to note prevalence of actual impostersStupid fucking large language model.
>>536279586I know exactly how it's going to go, you have an ego problem, I could probably make some great guesses about your family and home life too. And how you ended up arguing over the contents of IQ tests you are unable to find, and in all probability have never laid eyes upon, with others on the internet, determined to win an argument about something that could have won in 2 seconds if you just posted evidence to backup your point. Instead it's just egotistical nonsense.
>>536279658That's an incredible piece. Visually stunning.
>>536279832Your own ego is displayed by your failure to provide any data supporting your position while repeatedly dismissing the founders. You entered this discussion believing that every single IQ test was shapes and patterns likely because you took an online IQ test and were thoroughly disproven, not just by myself but by the fact the creators explicitly disagree with you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4oZdUV-G-Y
>>536280029The IQ tests you linked to are also patterns and predictions. I don't need to post anything, you already did it for me and I posted a screenshot to show my findings. Then you pivoted and apparently the tests you posted earlier are now irrelevant and there is a super secret test that you can't find that proves you right. OK?
>>536273656the fact that you can't determine the exact score doesn't mean you can't tell they're an outlier from the result
>>536280200What's your favourite piece of art ever made?
>>536280029I would like to weigh in, but I worry you will not enjoy the participation.Anyways.Yes, pattern recognition and pattern recognition are synonymous, as they are in fact identical. If you are unable to recognize pattern recognition as pattern recognition, you have a fundamental error that calls into question everything you say.Enjoy being unable to prove that a = a.
>>536280305There's a guy near me that makes the most impressive sculptures using a chainsaw, you'd be amazed by them, the detail he can achieve would make you think he was using the finest of chisels. I like his stuff. It's honestly amazing to watch him make them. Sorry if I was expected to be pretentious and name a cliche painting instead?
>>536280200A minority of the questions were pattern recognition which is a modern invention and most likely lead to the Flynn effect.
