check mate atheists
>>536274775The first tweet says it>to protect their brain while pecking
>>536274839so there is intention behind these designs?
>>536274839Wow God thought of everything
>>536274910Good job ya lil atheist basher!
>>536274775to protect its brain while listening to slayer?
>>536274910Yes. If your entire bloodline spent their entire lives headbutting trees, they'd grow thick skulls
>>536274839Question is what evolutionary pathway causes thisAnswer is none, it's designed by God
>>536274910there doesn't have to bethey peck the wood to get at insects inside the wood, after they've made the hole they still need to get them outhence the long ass tonguewhere else is it supposed to go, down their throat?also it doesn't protect the fucking brain since there's a layer of skull between brain and tongue it can still slam intoplease try to use your own brains
>>536274839How about wearing a helmet instead?
>>536274775Yeah, atheists are dumb. They can't get over the watchmaker analogy. The universe operates under increasing entropy and yet somehow such complexity spawned from lightning striking some swamp gas. Humans themselves can't create what supposedly random processes did.
>>536274775Obvious if Fake&GayOP wanted an honest answer, he would ask a scientist. Instead he's dishonestly parroting the "gods of the gaps" hoping nobody knows the answer. This is why everybody laughs at fucktarded believers
>>536274775>check mate atheistsBirds aren't real.
>>536274911>God creates animal >animal has to compete with other animals (also God's creation) for limited resources (God invented economics)>some animals one-up other animals to gain an advantage (God loves winners)
>>536274775I'm guessing the tongue originally got long for reaching bugs in trees and the head protection bit was just a byproduct that allowed them to start aggressively pecking.
>>536274775Darwin was a pedo kike
>>536274775>bird with tongue attached further back around skull is better at pecking>over successive generations tongue attachment migrates around skull>woodpeckerit pecks wood better
>If evolution real why adaptation happen? Checkmate atheists.
>>536275260So he's like Jesus then? As Jesus was a kike that was found by the Roman soldiers with a naked boy.
>>536274968sry>>536275010But would their tongue also shift out of the throat, split into two branches, extended up the back of the neck, curved over the top of the skull, and anchor near the nostrils?>>536275121It explicitly says the unique tongue design is to protect the brain though.
>>536274775theists are morons. no sense in trying to explain anything to them. they are legit dumb slaves of the Church and deserve to be fucked over.
>>536274976to protect its brain while listening to his wife
>>536275323calling people "it" isn't nice
>>536275147Genetic stock market rewards budgeting, maybe?
>>536274775Imagine the blowjobs/cunnilingus.
>>536275176>the watchmaker analogy.>Everything has a causeso you're saying a complex supernatural being must have been created by a much more complex superdupernatural being. And the watchmaker's watchmaker's watchmaker before that ad infinitum. Bonus: theists are not bright enough to be embarrassed by how utterly retarded they sound to everyone who passed seventh grade science
>>536275323If they dug through trees they headbutt for worms to eat, eventually yes.All life is hyper adapted for a specific niche.
>>536275257And I was right. Seems like most birds who rely on their tongues for eating have the same design.
>>536274910yesif you were banging your head against hard wood all day you'd want and need a skullwrapping protective tongue keeping you safe
>>536275323Yes. >anon discovers evolutionary biology
>>536274775Simple answer: there are tons of horrible mutations that sometimes pop up, some of them even get names due to how often they happen.If that mutation happen to be beneficial however, you reproduce and spread your genes until over time a new species is created.
>>536274775How does the tongue protect the brain? Isn't that the entire point of a skull?
>>536274775why didn't god just make their skull thicker or brain more resilient? is this supposed to be an intelligent design?
None of you know the answer, all of you, stop acting like you're right and the other side is wrong. What is wrong with you all. Nobody knows. Why not have a nice discussion where you can learn from each others opinions. Insulting each other like you're the only one that knows the answer is so retarded you should sod off to reddit.
>>536274775>jeets existcheckmate christcucks
>>536275441Nature and reality are way too complex and mathematically sound to be just random nonsense sprung from a vacuum.I hate bible garbage, but you can't disprove God. If there isn't a who, there's a why.
>>536275147a helmet would cause even more brain trauma
>>536275176we can though. i've got two beautiful sons. and given the electric universe theory there's order beside entropy. stars still form. matter of fact we don't know shit and you don't either.
>>536275176>The universe operates under increasing entropythe second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of the entire universe never decreases. entropy can increase in a little pocket of space without violating this rule.also, this has nothing to do with evolution of more "complex" forms
>Why not have a nice discussion where you can learn from each others opinionsThere is nothing I can learn from somebody whose only answer is "God did it" while pointing to a 2000 year old book full of inaccuracies and failed predictions
>uhhh uhhhh uhhhh just bro like....ten trillion billion centrillion years is like totally enough time for something like that to evolve!!>uh you like believe some jewish fairytale (not that there's anything wrong with the Jewish faith it had my full respect and admiration as a atheist) spaghetti monster skydaddy,eh. feel dumb yet? yeah science!!!evolution is cool but taking abiogenesis seriously is just too much of a misstep in the coherent world view department la.most EVO/atheist proponents don't even realize these two are technically separate things.
>>536275109To gain access to food that is inaccessible to others.
>>536275479Where else did you think the tongue would go.
>>536274910>intentionThat's not how evolution works. It's just randomly genetic mutations propagated through survival of the fittest.
>>536275147A helmet doesn't protect your brain from bashing against the inside of your skull
>>536274775"What evolutionary process..."That. The process. You know, step by step. Generation after generation. Slow, incremental changes that go from micro evolution to macro evolution. You know, the process. Of evolution. That's like asking "Hey, if 1 + 3 is 4 then what is 2 + 2?". You included the key word in the question. The fucking process. Evolution is one. A process. The sum of adaptations over long periods of time. This is not hard. I'm still waiting for the first gotcha question from someone who doesn't believe in evolution who has done the bare minimum and googled the definition, read the first paragraph on wikipedia or opened a textbook and read the first line. Jesus fucking christ.
>>536275548Dampens vibrations. You get concussions from your brain slamming into your skull, not from something on the outside hitting your brain
>>536275597/thread
>>536275610> It's too complex to exist without a cause, therefore the most complex being imaginable has always existed without a cause and created everything. Do you see your flaw in reasoning?
>swiggity swoogity, I'm comin for that booty
>>536275577>We must give unfalsifiable claims as much respect as hundreds of years of scientific analysis and research! Multiple people have pointed out the reason, you are choosing to ignore it. Idk what you want me to tell you.
>>536275735>random genes that wrap your tongue around your skull Yeah ok
>>536274775>God be like: yes, I will crate this one bird with the tongues wrapping around its skull
>>536274910No. There are random mutations, and the ones that serve a purpose and benefit the animal, survive and are likely to be passed down on offspring. There isn't a purpose for a mutation, but the result of it may be beneficial or a hindrance.
Reminder to Americans that only they think evolution is mutually exclusive with God existence, everyone else just easily explained it away with "God sets up the first dominoes, everything else is a result of that".
>>536275726Could be a number of things. A pouch on the throat. Could be like a chameleon's tongue that is squished down onto a pin or something.
>>536275789What do you think a God is? Something that's quantifiable in your stupid limited brain?
>>536275441>so you're saying a complex supernatural being must have been created by a much more complex superdupernatural beingStrawman fallacy. Just like a motherboard was created by humans, and not spontaneous processes, life which is much more complex was created by some unknown intelligent force. I am not trying to answer the "who" just like I can make the claim that a computer motherboard was created by an intelligent force, without having to stipulate humans specifically. The fact that you can't admit that life is incredibly complex means you're either ignorant of biology or arguing in bad faith. Also you are trying to make comparisons between the limited material universe and whatever the fuck else could exist out there that doesn't necessarily have to abide by the rules of material reality.
>>536275176>>536274910>things exist therefore jews are Godsok christcuck
>>536275479>>536274775SKULLFUCKING WAS ALWAYS NEXT LEVEL BIRDIE ORAL SEXO?AHHHHHHHHHHHHBIRBMADE HORRORS BEYOND COMPREHENSION
>>536275010So you start by headbutting trees and we’ll see if your progenitors develop an immunity to it. By all means explain, if you’re dead from headbutting trees how will your offspring develop an immunity to it?
>>536275862Random genes wrap a skull around your brain in the first place
>>536274775It's current year of our Lord Jesus Christ.If atheists still claim to be monkey fish people then brush off your shoes of them and let them be monkey fish people.
>>536274911He sure did
>>536275956>If I totally misrepresent your argument then I can make it look like I won
>>536275862Why do flowers exist?Why do people randomly get cancer? Why is their no mention of cars or the internet in the bible?
>>536275897An ethereal being or a being in another realm. The being is highly complex because it can interact with every atom in our universe and create matter and energy. It also has all knowledge.
>>536274775What kind of a retard god would even make a bird that needs to drill trees in the first place?
>>536274910>10,000 birds want to eat tasty bugs under the tree bark>only 3 have the random tongue padding genetic mutation>some of the others try but they get brain damage and die>the 3 with the skull tongue get to eat all the bugs and grow big and strong>two of those 3 have tons of sex and make hundreds of babies>one of them is unfortunately retarded and autistic so he has no babies>you are the third onevery sad
>>536275956I was too weak to headbutt trees. The guy who wasn't had kids that were better at headbutting.
>>536274775Dont you understand you fool! If you put some nuts and bolts in a box and shake it for a gazzilion years some how you get a working boeing 747 from it. It all makes perfect sense!
>>536274775christcucks are so fucking cringe when they larp as scientistslet the adults do the talking, you play with your retarded goy toys
>>536275703Abiogenesis isn't much of a leap. It's not hard to imagine chemicals forming bonds and turning into RNA after millions of years.
>>536275948Craziest strawman imaginable. Biological life is too complex to have been le random. That's the extent of my claim and anything past that is you strawmanning my claim.
>>536274775All vertebrate tongue are supported by a cartilage-and-bone skeleton called the hyoid apparatus. We humans also have a hyoid. the hyoid, also in humans, is u-shaped. Birds though have an extended hyoid, stretching all the way to the tip of their tongues.In the case of the woodpecker, it's y-shaped. Both features, the y-shape and the hyoid extension to all the way to the tip of the tongue, are also observed in woodpeckers. The y-shape also leads people to (wrongfully) believe that there are "two tongues". It's just a really long, forked, single tongue.It's not hard to imagine how the location of the base may have drifted gradually over generations, similar to how blowholes gradually migrated in ocean mammals.The entire anatomy of the woodpecker's tongue are found everywhere in other bird species. In chickens the tongue grows backwards curling around in the ear region. In woodpeckers the tongue is only longer, curling around the the whole brain. It's not hard to imagine how a gradual migration of the base, upward, would provide an initial advantage, cushioning some of the brain from pecking. Then evolution does its thing. Also longer tongues are also selected for in birds because of how useful they can be for getting grubs.I would be more impressed if the tongue base clearly hadn't just drifted up. If we found it starting from a completely unexpected place like the back of the head.Anyway this is the level of discourse now on X. Posting creationist bait and tacking -cel on people who understand basic science. It's sad, but also kind of expected, when engagement farming and ragebaiting is actually being rewarded financially. Imagine some retards shock when they find out that a lot of these no-name accounts doing baiting are doing it from some slum in India, because those hundreds of dollars paid by X go a long way in shitholes like India. Where the place is covered in plastic waste and shit in the streets and it's still somehow whiteys fault.
>>536275956it may not serve a primary purpose, but attract females instead. assuming you are fit to procreate, someone other may not. if you survive and teach your offsping, voilá a headbutting species branched off.
Suddenly /pol/ cares about child cancer when it suits defending kike narratives, but will gladly brush off the Epstein child rapes without a second thought. You people are a joke.
>>536274910The woodpeckers whose tongues did not wrap around their heads either pecked themselves retarded or weren't pecky enough to not starve. Either way, they died before they could procreate or were so malnourished/retarded that they weren't considered suitable mates.
>>536276121>complains about people strawmanning>strawmans the scientific positionI knew you Christcucks were insufferable, but you've taken it to a whole new level
>>536274775I'm not an atheist and Darwin is right. If this didn't happen through evolution it wouldn't be a tongue. The tongue is used because it was a structure already there.
>why x>god
>>536275257>>536275479I'm no supporter of intelligent design, I think God just sets physics in motion, but it still boggles the mind how the long tongue would wrap around the skull to begin with. It's hard to model the evolution from a normal tongue to the wrapped tongue in any number of intermediate steps.>>536275610>I hate bible garbageYes, Christcuckery is retardation.
>>536276165>it may not serve a primary purpose, but attract females insteadthats not a thing except in some very rare species that have no natural predators and live in particularly abundant reagion.
>>536276121are shit like bacteriophages 'alive'?Those niggas move inside you
>>536275720You need a smooth trajectory where e.g. a small extension of the tongue produces a relevant fitness advantage
>>536275147The woodpecker does not concern himself with OSHA regulations.
>>536276232>why bad thing happen>no god
>>536276115Now suppose that the box preserves combinations of nuts and bolts that are more aerodynamic and destroys the others
>>536274775Why didn't Yahweh the foreskin eater just give the bird a brain that can take the impact? Seems way simpler.
It's easy, god created life in such a way that a bird headbutting a tree over time could evolve in to a woodpecker.
>>536274839When you deal with christkeks, you deal with low IQ
>>536275871>>God be like: yes, I will crate this one bird with the tongues wrapping around its skullbasedand for his next creation:>bundles of malicious genetic material wrapped in a protein coat that can infect other genetic materials
satan designed this
>>536276303I could, but where would that outside force come from? Kek, we can go down this path all day. No one is arguing that creationism is a answer, but to be a darwincuck now days is mentally retarded.
>>536276241>I'm no supporter of intelligent design...>... but I believe in intelligent design because I haven't studied the evolution of birds and it's all lost on me
>>536274775Shit happens cant blame a guy for everything.
>>536276367Brains famously can't take impact, apparently it makes them dead
>>536275147what is the evolutionaryt reason birds dont have Guns?
>>536276121>Biological life is too complex to have been le randomLaw of truly large numbers. Next question
>>536276475Except 4chan atheists are genuinely some of the dumbest motherfuckers to post on the internet
>>536276525their brains are still impacting the inside of their skull though, the tongue does literally nothing for "cushion"it would have to lie between the brain and skull to do that
>>536274775same way every single other aspect of a biological creature came to be, it aint that hard and your heaven is filled with blacks.
>>536276121Anythings possible if you have enough time.
>>536275703We literally proved that abiogenesis was possible as far back as the 50's you cuck. What should I believe, the process that actually has evidence and been studied to hell and highwater, or your explanation which is... Nothing... >>536276078This is a point I always think about as well. Why do we have organs? Why do we have a brain? Why can't god just make us simply exist without these things? Why do we have to breath? Why do we have cells? Why does quantum mechanics exist? Why does relativity exist?
>>536274775
>>536276541You'd think an animal would have at least invented the bow and arrow by now.
>>536275982they aren't really random are they?>>536276033speaking of,how does DNA (existing inside a population for argument sake) create or access *new information* to encode and do new things? it can't control what new good/neutral or detrimental mutations it gets,or control which it loses.
>>536276121>>536275789
>>536276244well, it's a valid theory along epigenetics. especially birds have driven this to the extreme. think of dancing birds, of the ones who artfully assemble a home and lay out colourful foods. the peacock springs to mind. nothing that serves a purpose other than aiding procreation. humans have no natural predators. indians have trains.
>>536276509>where would that outside force come from?Scarcity, competition from others, etc.
>>536276638remember to stretch the thing we have they don't properly
>>536276595Tongue has to go somewhere, body shorter than tongue, head proportionally large
>>536276183>suddenly one day, a woodpecker was born with his tongue wrapped around his head>and this woodpecker survived while the others didn'tthis is extremely intelligent thinking, the entire theory of evolution doesn't appeal to pseudointellectuals at all
>>536276627You do realize that these videos are from a bunch of SEA monkeys that drugged the animals to film this shit, right? Why do you think there's a camera right there in the first place?
>>536276638Humans are animals. An animal is a multicellular organism with an internal digestive tract.
>>536276627>nature is all peaceful and every animal loves eachother n IS THE LE EVIL YUMANS THAT DESTROY THIS PLANET RAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!
>>536275441Anyone educated on this subject could tell you that the cause of everything within time and space would necessarily be without time and space itself. Only somebody who can't think abstractly would ask "but what caused the first cause?", because even asking that question assumes that the first cause would exist within the time it created, which is a nonsense proposition. If something exists prior to time, that means there was never a point in time at which it did not already exist. This is basic stuff, already thoroughly explained by Plato and Aristotle before whatever religion you hate the most and would like to complain about came around.
so... random evolution one day decided to give a bird a tongue that loops around it skull and the design stuck and created new species? ok got it
Holy shit the amount of retards ITTKill yourselves, you waste of air
>>536275285This.It wasnt designed specifically to peck through wood to get bugs.Mutations allowed it take on a new trait.Its like birds in general.God didnt think "hey I want this lizard to fly so ill reduce the weight with hollow bones".Instead hollow bones developed first which enabled gliding which lead to flight.Its one random.mutation thay was beneficial compared to thousands of others that were not beneficial and became genetic dead ends.Religious zealots are such fucking retards that can only think in a linear fashion.
>>536276749ok, another animal
>>536276119The problem is you need RNA to form the enzymes to create the RNA in the first place. Not to mention DNA quickly degrades without DNA repair and proofreading mechanisms to correct DNA damage. Arguing for millions of years is counterintuitive when the best explanation for complex life is that the various mechanisms arose very quickly all together because the mechanisms have to have each other immediately for life to fucking work.>>536276205What is the opposite of intelligent design?>>536276554>>536276611In other words>Appeal to statistical impossibilitiesKek. How many gazillions of years does it take for something equivalently complex (like a computer motherboard for example) to spontaneously arrange itself?>>536276668All I'm arguing is about the complexity of life. Why can't any of you fuckers admit in good faith that yes, biological life is extremely complex. If I start arguing that life is actually very simple really, I can create it in my backyard and therefore life was not intelligently designed, would you find that a more agreeable stance?
>>536276749>internal digestive tractThank God.
>>536274775I mean, that seems doable, given enough time.
>>536276625My favorite is to ask the intelligent designers why we breathe and eat through the same hole with just a tiny flap of flesh changing the direction of the flow of either air or foodTens of thousands of people die each year to choking because of that "design" and it is a simple fix for a designer.
>>536276638"You'd think humans would have invented cobra spit by now"
>>536276509Being a darwinist is only kek because we know evolution, or whatever we choose to call it, happens in bursts. There is not usually a gradual trajectory generation by generation. It appears as if occasionally a massively mutated individual appears, by special providence or something. Whatever, the hopeful monster hypothesis is probably correct.
>>536276697That's what i've been wondering about, I could easily defeat a bird in a fight
>>536276749Tbf humans digestive track includes an external digestive track called cooking.
>>536276661>DNALol fuck off using our evidence. You're like a flat earther taking a flight across the country and then driving to their moron conference with google maps completely oblivious to the fact that they are reliant on systems based on the heliocentric model. Why do we have DNA in the first place? Surely god could have created us without DNA.>they aren't really random are they?They WERE random. Guess how modern dog breads exist you retard?
>>536274910Bird bones are hollow. If the woodpecker had a dense skull it wouldn't be able to fly so good. God is a genius.
>>536274775This whole "durrrr convoluted therefore God" shit is so dumb if you think about it for a minute. If a magic God man is making all biology, why make us out of hyper complex delicate structures?Why not just make all living things out of homogenous magic fluff?
>>536275247God makes life interesting. You complain when bored.
>>536276121Just because you are a low IQ retard doesn't mean the world is stupid as well.
Imagine being a godfag and using this example to try and help your case when it does the exact opposite.You just need to have the minimum of curiosity and look it up in 5 minutes you can learn about the hyoid bones and the tongue growing larger to increase your reach for eating insects etc.Now you have an explanation that makes sense and addresses something weird but instead you go with "uhm.. das rite god made dey tongues wrap around an shiet" like a dumb negroe
>>536276826there is epigenetics. apparently not all mutations are as random as darwinism assumes. some are adaptation to environment. triggered by whatever, these are not random. snowbunnies get born in colours according to the surroundings. snow? they're white. no snow? they're grey.
>>536276298>why bad thing happen>no good godFTFY
>>536276119no anon.you aren't hand waving away the thing your entire world view depends on.how the hell does random,spontaneous "chemical bonds":1: even form coherently with functional information being made2: replicate itselfjust a non stater right off the bat."just grant us this material miracle"just grant us a infinite being.>>536276625>some lab coats did a thing with their will & intentions>in a highly highly controlled environment under extremely specific circumstances>KEK!!! WE PROVE-no you didn't.they proved that lab coats can do a thing in a lab if they try hard enough. that doesn't mean abiogenesis can happen.hey, computer engineers can build a highly complex computer. how many times do you think the material universe has,by complete chance and enough time,created a home computer form the late 2010s.it doesn't happen.try again
>>536275121>also it doesn't protect the fucking brain since there's a layer of skull between brain and tongue it can still slam into You're a fucking retard lmao
>>536276790No, the tongue may slowly move around the whole head, assuming there is some advantage to the tounge moving a small amount in the first place. Which given it says, "to protect the brain", you'd assume there is. It's not like a giraffe suddenly got a long neck. It's incremental
>>536276877Do you see the flaw in your reasoning?
>>536276739>You do realize that these videos are from a bunch of SEA monkeys that drugged the animals to film this shit, right? Why do you think there's a camera right there in the first place?Stupidest cope ever.
>>536276661>they aren't really random are they?Yes they are, no matter what you think there is no humanoid immortal being that designed all that shit and evolution over millions of years makes total sense of it
>>536276985This is your argument:>If God exists, biological systems should look radically different from natural systemsYou're a fucking moron who created some fantasy expectation of what God should do to support your nothing argument
>>536274775>da lawd jewsus did it n shiettopkek
>>536276909It looks like somehow you have a third hole in your mouth which is connected to the end of your intestines because you are talking shit nigger.I studied evolution theory and it made my beleif in God stronger. I just cannot BELIEVE this all happened just by random mutations and natural selection.
>>536274910really, random bullshit species like this demonstrates there is no designer. there’s just endless diversity
>>536277142>Why are animals such assholes? Shouldn't they be getting along? :( This is something a child would cry about
>>536274775>i'm too stupid to fathom something therefore godk
>>536276739wtf
>>536277120you know absolutely nothing about concussions
>>536277153No, the argument is that a perfectly good and loving good wouldn't create creatures who can randomly die to cancer at 3years old only for retards then to claim this is "perfect design"One can easily imagine an ambivalent or semi-evil god doing that, but certainly not the god you believe in
>>536276720>Retarded jew misrepresents what he doesn't likeOf course. Get back in the oven.
>>536277297This math problem is too hard to solve. It must be god
>>536275897>>536276739smartest godtard
>>536275323>It explicitly says the unique tongue design is to protect the brain though.They use their body efficiently to maximize thr food obtained/energy spent.It is not designed to be efficient, it is designed to sex the whores.Survival force efficiency it the pretty abberations.See: humans height.
>>536276985thanks for the incoherent 80 IQ response lol.>>536277151another euphoric argument ,well though out and articulated.
>>536277243Great job deflecting - you would make a great flat eartherWould you like to defend the "design" that allows tens of thousands of people to die every year through choking?Or do you concede defeat?
>>536276121Were rocks created?
I fucking love these threads. Atheists are my favorite zealots.
>>536274839>>536274910The millenialwoes tweet applies equally well to creationists.
>>536277253>Why are animals such assholes? Shouldn't they be getting alongNever said such things.
>>536274839That my brain is not wrapped around my pecker is proof that evolution is a better explanation than a magic pixie made me.
>>536277416>b-but le trees are heckin wholesome
>>536277311And THAT is the SEA monkey video I was talking about. Look it up if you don't believe me. >>536277320>randomlyApplying arbitrary standards when the very basis of an infinite God already supercedes whatever you think is fair. Why? Because what is infinity applied to everything in motion? You don't know and you'll never know, but you'll still want to feign outrage (you don't actually give a shit, this is all in service to your biases) when the premise of God already refutes your whining.
>>536275862>complex systems could never, EVER evolve from more simple systems that adapt incrementally over time>they HAVE to be created in an instant, fully functional, and flawless by an omnipotent and intelligent designer, GODlollmao
>>536277065Not an argument. Unless you are trying to imply life is trivial to understand. You've never studied biology, have you? If you did then you would learn to appreciate how complicated all this shit is.>>536277135Your whole position rests on a strawman I never claimed. You don't need to bring up the prime mover principle to infer that a computer motherboard must have more likely than not been intelligently designed instead of created outside of any sort of intelligent design.>>536277399Our understanding of rocks is that they were created over millions of years due to natural processes such as erosion and weathering. But I'm not talking about inanimate matter but complex systems. We can create diamonds in the lab. Meanwhile we can't even create the simplest of life in a laboratory.
>>536277550>b-but le trees are heckin wholesomeYou talk like a redditor.
>>536277555>ackchually your child dying of cancer was part of gods plan Most sane godtard
>>536275479Their females consider it sexy. That's why. It's always a selective pressure inficted on males that benefit the entire species once passed through the survival filters.
>>536277153My argument >we have a perfectly reasonable, logical explanation backed up with literally hundreds of years of research and studies behind itvs your argument >Trust me bro, it was aktually god...Notwithstanding that fact, my earlier points argue that if god exist, THEN WHY DO THESE BIOLOGICAL SYSTEMS EVEN EXIST YOU FUCKING MORON!?
>>536274775> It's too complex to exist without a cause, therefore the most complex being imaginable has always existed without a cause and created everything.
>>536277481>zealotsso do i and i couldn't care less about whether there is god or not. unlikely to me. let's agree that it is education that makes you a believer. miss that education and there is no god and no care about god either. why anyone would subscribe to the idea of a god that punishes the ones who don't worship it, is beyond me. a moral compass can be had without gods.
>>536277320>No, the argument is that a perfectly good and loving good wouldn't create creaturesaccording to who? you? and your definition of "loving"? what does that mean and what did biblical scripture mean by it?and so you know, we believe we live in a fallen world now. all those bad things you mentioned,illness sickness cancers parasites,all product of a fallen corrupted world,in our world view.>who can randomly die to cancer at 3years old only for retards then to claim this is "perfect design"we weren't designed to live forever and we aren't "perfect" in body or soul. (start defining words before using them retardedly), we were also made to suffer and overcome,yes bad shit is gonna happen.>One can easily imagine an ambivalent or semi-evil god doing that, but certainly not the god you believe inall you van do is imagine,about God and evolution loleverything is taken on faith anyways
>>536277246No, it's like a certain type of engineer would solve this problem
>>536274910>>536274775Life adapts and tries to survive as much as possible. To the point where long ago, a bird with a bigger peak and better turn would borrow into the tough bark for grub, instead of relying on just worms in the ground.Whatever tougher bird got through this... feed themselves and their young, so whatever young they produced were taught to fly and secure food in this way, the ones who didn't have a strong wrapped around tongue didn't make it... and the others did.... and feed their young. Over and over.Surviving.Adapting.Reproducing. It's not designed, so much as figured out as it goes.
>>536274775>bird with longer tongue has advantage because it can better locate insects within bark>it succeeds and breeds>mutant offspring of long tongue bird has variation in nostril position in skull>aberration in nostril position results in portion of tongue reaching around skull cavity>aberration has no negative impact on offspring>gene is passed on>mutant offspring of long tongue, nostril aberration bird has further skull aberration resulting in entirety of tongue wrapping around skull>results in increase impact absorption, resulting in increased success at digging through tree bark in search of insects>it is very successful>gene becomes dominant>new species has evolvedNot even difficult, theists are retards.
>>536277678Humans can't even comprehend one year, let alone one million.
>>536277377No argument.
>>536277730This is the best reasoned argument for understanding why a god doesn't exist.
>>536277678>it's soooo complex bro it must be godsmartest pothead
>>536274775>And how exactly we have grass hmmmmm?I yield.
>>536274775>creation and evolution are mutually exclusive because reasonsChristians and atheists are both endlessly disappointing.
casual reminder that elohim let nature create animals and they saw it was good, he then name themyhwh's creation differs from elohim's but that's just a case of misinterpretation. yhwh's only created eden and started experimenting with man. eden is a glorified lab. that's why cain was afraid of other peoplei don't know where this shit about intelligent design comes from. must be evangelical shit
>>536277384Obviously there is limited space in a human so certain things share different functions. Just like a penis/vagina is for urinating and sexual intercourse. Your argument is something like a. a intelligent designer should design everything till perfectionb. a human is not perfectc. so it is not designed.But your premise is wrong so your conclusion is wrong as well.
>>536274910there is no "intention", semitophile
>>536274775> evolutionary pathwayThere is no such thing and it's not necessary. Evolution is absolutely blind and can't see any way.
>>536275109>Question is what evolutionary pathway causes this>Answer is none, it's designed by GodWhy would god design something as ridiculous as the platypus, ever the humble platypus is the easiest counterargument to god existing in any way at all.
>>536275759soooooooo..... antisemitism.
>>536277771>your definition of "loving"?No, YOUR definition of loving.>we weren't designed to live foreverThat's a quite a difference to "we weren't designed to survive brutal cancer at 3yrs old" lmao >we were also made to suffer and overcomeAh yes bro the 3yr old child was made to suffer and overcome (by dying)So beautiful, brings a tear to my eye, thank you god
>>536277698ever heard of job?this nongerman doesn't even know what the actual biblical God is lol
>>536277698>No rebuttal>Can't even grasp the concept of an infinite beingMost good faith arguing Atheist>>536277728>THEN WHY DO THESE BIOLOGICAL SYSTEMS EVEN EXIST YOU FUCKING MORON!?Then prove that God wouldn't use natural processes? Once again, this is your fantasy headcanon of what God would do (which you don't even know, you're just flailing like a moron) to refute that it wasn't God's design. Just say "I personally would have designed life differently", because that's what your arguments pretty much are. I'm done. I'm vindicated in saying 4chan Atheists are some of the dumbest motherfuckers on the internet. Enjoy squabbling among yourselves.
>>536277913you are aware of the plural nature of the term elohim? like a schizo god if you will.
>>536277929everything has cause, effect, and a natural purpose.3D spacetime isn't just there willy nilly, I highly doubt it.
>>536277993god dammit franklin
>>536276684>the peacock springs to mindYes, because its one of the very few species that actually have it. Coincidentally found in tropical areas with an abundance of nutrients. No natural predators of peacocks are known. >humans have no natural predatorsPlease tell me this is some kind of joke.
>>536277836That isn't a reasoned argument at all. Reason dictates that every effect, no matter how complex or simple, must have a cause in order to exist. This axiomatic principle is known as "ex nihilo nihil fit", and it serves as the foundation for theism.
>>536274910no the evolution occurs over time as actions, the environment etc make animals evolve. So at a basic level you could say what is the reason for a woodpecker to peck at wood? Well it does it to nest instead of making nests like other birds. Why did that happen instead of just doing what other birds do? Well circumstances dictated it, no grand design, everything is connected, environmental changes, actions of other animals, pure change occurrences change the actions, species die out giving others an advantage.
>>536277917>Obviously there is limited space in a human so certain things share different functionsI don't grant that, and it's absurd you would even make that claim.God can do anything, can't he?Yet he can't design a different tube for eating and for breathing?You're looking really, really desperate here, buddy
>>536275363whilst ringing the bell, woody is racist he hates blackbirds
>>536277987I mean, why would god want us to suffer, for what...
1 generation = 1 year gives a lot of room for mutations. Plus fluctuating climate will select for sturdier skulls eventually.
>>536278068You forgot your special pleading exception. Your idea of a god terminates that infinite regress.
>>536277992>what the actual biblical God is lolQuite different from the christcuck and Muslim god, thanks for pointing it out. The biblical god isn't even omnipotent, he's that pathetic.
>>536274775What a stupid post. The IDniggers would tell you a cosmic jew wrapped the tongue around the skull for funsies because their jewgod was fucking retarded.
>>536278065>some kind of jokeno, the way we developed we can avoid the animals that would kill us. mostly anyway. now, if we're looking at the current state of the world, it seems someone with money can procreate more easily than some havenot. isn't that an inversion of biological rules?
>>536277797>If we allow enough time...Bro, RNA degradation is measured in hours. That shit ain't lasting. You're not going to have a successful DNA sequence with the blueprints for all the enzymes needed for survival and propagation magically spawn in instantly as well as the enzymes somehow already pre-created to read that sequence and translate it into RNA so it can be transcribed into proteins needed to help replicate DNA. Time works against life because of the concept of entropy.>>536277906>Strawman argument
>>536274775>this animal has an organ, therefore Zeus/Ganesha/Hitler made it!holy SHIT, at least show us an animal that can use telekinesis or telepathy if you want this to be a tiny bit less retarded(it still would be plenty fucking retarded)
>>536278275That turtle shell would hurt like a motherfucker coming out the other end
>>536277987kek so childish>bad thing happen!? god no real/big meanie head=)>suffer and overcomeyes, the child is dead and her suffering over. but her father,mother, family remain and must suffer and overcome. everyone suffers and overcomes in life. that's a huge biblical theme. but, you come off as a tween loser in his angsty "I hate you dad/God!" phase so I won't waste time with you,byee
>>536274775Haschem really knows everythingpraise rabbi yeshua
>>536274775>Bird with short tongue pecks wood, gets brain damage, not able to compete well enough.>Bird with long tongue pecks wood, is fine, has more chances to procreateI swear to fucking God, Christians are deliberately fucking retarded.
>>536277917Lol, no it isn't, the real argument is:a. Evolution explains with facts and evidence why humans breath and eat/drink from the same hole
>>536278207No, I didn't. I said that every effect must have a cause. The first cause is not an effect, it's solely a cause and is thus itself uncaused. That's not "special pleading", that's basic irrefutable logic that nobody in their right mind would deny, because the alternative is an infinite regression, as you said, and infinite regressions cannot subsist on themselves.
>>536277792The birds already evolved less dense bones because it reduces the energy costs for flight. But such an adaption then presents a problem when they want to use the same skull to bash into tree trunks. The fact that the solution to this problem is to re-use the tongue as a shock absorber that wraps around the head is a sign that it did in fact evolve. If any engineer was designing this bird from scratch they might have decide on a different solution, like more fluid to protect the brain (like we humans have) or just denser bone around the skull. Something like this, not deciding let's shift the base of the tongue and wrap it around.The wrapped tongue also reminds me of the recurrent laryngeal nerve like in pic related. No engineer would just wrap it around like this. But this is apparently an intelligent and very deliberate design to loop it this way.
>>536274775do they get crumbs of food stuck in their skull?
>>536276084Lol rekt
>>536274839Evolution is a fantasy, not a scientific theory. It simply cannot withstand mathematical scrutiny.https://xcancel.com/DivinelyDesined/status/2061785745652920734https://xenosarc.substack.com/p/from-a-mathematical-and-logical-standpoint
>>536278337>bad thing happen!? god no real/big meanie headCorrect. This argument is so strong godtards have spent the last two millennia coping and seething about it, and still haven't come up with a proper solution.
>>536278261>Bro, RNA degradation is measured in hours. That shit ain't lasting. You're not going to have a successful DNA sequence with the blueprints for all the enzymes needed for survival and propagation magically spawn in instantly as well as the enzymes somehow already pre-created to read that sequence and translate it into RNA so it can be transcribed into proteins needed to help replicate DNA. Time works against life because of the concept of entropy.atheist bros you better respond to this coherently and not sperg the fuck out about skydaddyABIOGENESISIES PLEASE RESPOND!!!!
>>536278433Forgot picture.
>>536275610but they are not, it's over billions of years, all the collosions of atoms, all the mathematical changes tha toccur. Only morons think some bearded man (in their own image) was looking over everything and decided everything was to his design. I mean it would be more plausable if this was all a computer program and a simulation or that the universe was simply an atom and part of a human and that human was also part of an atom of a larger human etc etc. At the end of the day all they can do is prove what they can. Which is far better than some religious fag saying everything was created by god and the earth is the centre of the universe and it all was created 6k years ago and kikes are the foundation of their faith.
>>536278342based cocks
>>536275109>it's designed by godSo god also designed niggers?Why?Why did you god create niggers? What the actual fuck?
>>536278424> Every cause has an effect, except this cause has no effect. That is the definition of special pleading.
Banging your head against hard wood won’t make you or your offspring grow thicker skulls or pointy noses. It’s the ones who can do so with the proper genetic makeup designed by God who go on to do such things.
>>536277119>your entire world view depends onI don't even think about how life started. It's irrelevant to me because it happened so long ago all we can to is collect clues and guess.
>>536275010That would be Lamarckism, not Darwinian evolution.
>>536274775Did they develop the tongue to assist their pecking, or do they peck because their tongue enables it?
>>536278005>Then prove that God wouldn't use natural processes?>JUST PROVE AN UNFALSIFIABLE CLAIM!Prove you're not a fucking faggot.
>>536277771>according to who? you?Question. This should be easy. Is a nigger evil if it deliberately kills someone's 3 year old child?
>>536278469>the problem of evilhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIL7OFbTC0s
>>536278496
>>536278469Not only is that argument not strong, but it isn't even coherent. Evil is a privation, not an essence, meaning the first cause is not the cause of evil any more than the sun is the cause of shadows. Plato and Aristotle are the ones who were never refuted.
>>536277119Also you're retarded. There's a reason the people who actually study this stuff believe in it. The only people who don't are people with an agenda. People whose entire lives would fall apart if it were true.
>>536276084>NEET birds eventually may evolve to be NEETs on 4chinsthe circle is complete
>>536278459ok but why post a jeet?
>>536275453Which makes no sense because hyper specifiality reduces survivability in environments not suited to the specifiality.Evolution is an opputunity cost and gaining specialized function makes nosense instead of being generalized.Especially considiering you cant establish a timeline for speciality to occur and maintain survivability in the environment and that the species has trait to specify in the first place.Because in most cases survivabilty needs the specification.Evolution is complete bullshit with no basis and is a chicken and the egg conundrum.Because you cant have a subset of birds knocking on wood and surviving without this speciality in the first place.
>>536278627>>JUST PROVE AN UNFALSIFIABLE CLAIM!you'll deny God though?
>>536278524bro of the universe was just a smidge colder or warmer, our entire laws of physics would fundametally change.I don't think there's a Sky Santa, but something greater than us surely must be.>lmoa dude it's just random soace dust n shietwhere did it come from?>muh theoretical hawking radiations muh white holes muh quantum superpositionswhy?>uh.....
>>536278527chaddest
>>536276739African wild dogs/Painted dogs are vicious. They don't kill their prey before eating it. They eat it alive as fast as they can.
>>536278726>evil is just le absence of good One of the more retarded arguments. Please show me what maximally evil is. Should be easy to do if it's just the absence of something. And when you do, tell me why I can't just add another more evil thing on top.
>>536278726>Not only is that argument not strong, but it isn't even coherent. Evil is a privation, not an essence, meaning the first cause is not the cause of evil any more than the sun is the cause of shadows. Plato and Aristotle are the ones who were never refuted.Oh goody semantics instead of facing the question! So god doesn't exist then.
>>536278563>except this cause has no effectDo you not know what causes and effects are? Why did you swap the two around? And no, you're wrong. That isn't an example of special pleading in any sense.
>>536278806chicken nuggets
>>536278660>uhhh, ACHSHUALLY evil is a good thing because it makes people struggle against evil, because JesusThat is how retarded Christcuck apologists are
>>536278228Some recent developements form a bare few hudnred years ago don't matter in mate selection. According to your theory, servile wagecucks who live to obey and present a house would be the most attractive. Nothing could be further from the truth.
>>536274775retard, it's not like there was a woodpecker as we know it that evolved a tongue like that to compensate. there was a bird that kind of pecked and evolved to have this skull protection. over time THAT bird BECAME what is modern day woodpecker. give critical thinking a shot sometime, fag
>>536275109Who designed god? How could such a complex being have come from nothing?
>>536278806Horse just wanted some peeps.
>>536278469>the problem of evil...define evil.>>536278735what type of response is this?no anon. greater atheist minds than anyone itt have wrestled with the abiogenesis question and come out making apologetics for what they "don't know".
>>536278905amen
>>536278790I'm not denying anything. You are claiming there is a god.
>>536275176You have no idea what entry is.
>>536278904There were haves and havenots since prehistory. Money is man's tail feathers.
>>536278838I have the weirdest boner right now
>>536278581not true. think of martial arts fighters who strengthen their bones by repeatedly hitting something. with their shinbone for example. this may not result in a change of bone density over following generations. not right away anyway. but if you were to repeat this culturally, eventually epigenetics would pick up on the behaviour and add the blueprint for thicker bone.
>>536278895HEAR HEAR PEOPLE!! a "man" who has never struggled for a honest second in his life has given his opinion:
>>536274839Kek. This. Christcucks btfo.
>>536278823Maximum evil is non-existence itself. Which means it does not exist. You can't take existence away from complete non-existence for the same reason you can't add to infinity. I'm not sure why you're getting heated, but you're simply wrong about this from a purely philosophical perspective.>>536278828You don't know what the word semantics means, do you? You're claiming that the sun is responsible for cold and shadows, and you're being corrected by somebody who understands that the sun only creates light and warmth, and that cold and shadows are actually the result of the sun's absence. That isn't semantics in any way, you're just being corrected on something you said that was factually wrong.
>>536278095That'll teach him not to mess with the big boys
>>536278735Appeal to authority isn't an argument. Our doctors cut off 90% of babies' penis skin because they're taught it's a good thing™, and because they're taught that it's a good thing they go on to teach the next generation of doctors that it's a good thing, all while blissfully ignoring the fact which any remotely sane person of any intelligence level can instantly and intuitively recognize, that mutilating baby penis is an abomination that destroys sexual and general physical function of the organ. Intelligence and wisdom/"common sense" are to completely separate things.
The median length of proteins is 350 amino acids.This means there are 20^350 possibilities to combine 350 amino acids to a protein and only one combination will work (maybe it can tolerate a handful of mutation until it starts breaking down). But there are only 10^80 particles in the universe (basedence estimate). Even at just a length of 150 amino acids, the estimate is that there is only one biologically usable combination per 10^77 thinkable combinations. Homologs can gradual lengthening cannot explain the existence of *orphan genes*. For orphan genes, the *entire* search space has to be searched. Or you have to conclude that there is an intelligent designer who built us molecule for molecule until an unimaginable complex blueprint for human biology existed. Then he sent us into this world. Tick and parasites, however, are likely ancient bioweapons.
>>536274775Atheists are the most miserable people I know. Any type of spirituality or religion is superior.
>>536279047>Maximum evil is non-existence itselfHow can something that does not exist be considered either good or evil?By definition it does not existIs this really the best argument you have?
>>536279047>You don't know what the word semantics means, do you? You're claiming that the sun is responsible for cold and shadows, and you're being corrected by somebody who understands that the sun only creates light and warmth, and that cold and shadows are actually the result of the sun's absence. That isn't semantics in any way, you're just being corrected on something you said that was factually wrong.Not even the same anon, answer epicurus's question without trying to bullshit your way through it. You're deflecting because you cannot.
>>536278924>have wrestled with the abiogenesis questionThen they haven't actually studied it. Scientists are pretty closed to figuring it out. The problem they had for decades was that there were too many options and they're in the process of narrowing it down. They already figured out that self-replicating RNA came first.
>>536278084it does it to get access to bugs that live inside the wood.there is also a green woodpecker that doesn't peck woods but picks food from the ground
Some proteins require molecular machines (which consist of other proteins) to fold correctly. Evolution cannot explain this without reducing science to absurdity. Without repair mechanisms, DNA would degrade too quickly, making life impossible. DNA repair mechanisms consist of molecular machines, which in turn consist of proteins, with some of these proteins requiring other molecular machines (which also consist of proteins) to fold correctly. It is an irreducibly complex system in which the existence of the entire system depends on every single component, and each individual component cannot exist without the others. According to evolutionary theory, complex systems can only develop gradually (one component at a time), not spontaneously. But an irreducibly complex system in which every component depends on the existence of all other components cannot be explained by gradual evolution. And even if that were the case, evolution would still be unable to account for statistically improbable configurations.Without DNA repair, there would be no DNA-based life. Without DNA repair, DNA would not be nearly durable enough for DNA repair mechanisms to have evolved. The same applies to RNA (which is even more unstable).
>>536279081QRD.
>>536274775>>536275479Must be such a weird sensation.
>>536279032>>536279049>>536279063this happened to me in the morning i thought my hair went into my ears and woke the fuck up and it was a spider trying to crawl in my ear pussyyou have to be absolutely dead asleep or drugged to not feel this nigger trying to crawl in
lamarckianchads we won again
>>536279219salty milk and coins
>>536279032KHAAAAANNNN
>>536279077>Appeal to authority isn't an argument>entire worldview revolves around a book of ancient jewish fables
>>536278962it's prima facie
>>536279047>non existence is worse than a hyper rapist mass murderer This is what christcucks unironically believe
>>536274775Just because you don't understand the process environmental pressures have shaping these things doesn't mean God exists. Do I personally believe he played a part? Absolutely. Does this equal evidence of his hand? Not to those who aren't looking for it. Please get better arguments for God. They exist and are easy. This shit is basically a strawman that helps atheis- oh. Of fuck. You're jewish.
>>536274910Those are the birds that survived
>>536274775I think the universe is one big sequence of dominos falling over that God set up. Does God really need to guide evolution if that's the case?
>>536279268Wrath of Kahn is the Star Trek og goat movie, Ricardo montalban is a great villain.
>>536278904i was talking about jews, not wagecucks. all the subtle cultural injections aka 'tall, dark, and handsome', 'curly hair is beautiful', 'white ppu have no melanin', 'blondes are dumb'. all jewish propaganda. and yes, whores go for money. which is biologically smart these days.
>>536274839How many woodpeckers pecked themselves retarded before they mutated to grow their tongues around their brains?
I knew evolution was total bullshit the first time I ever heard of it when they said we came from monkeys.Guys I have news: there are STILL fucking monkeys! It makes no sense that mankind became a super smart hairless ape while the other monkeys just stayed in the forest as low IQ tree dwellers.
>>536277342yet you can't explain what actually happened
>>536279214thats what is inside a jeet's head
>>536279119That's what a privation is. That's literally what the word means. Why are you getting confused and upset? That's like asking "how can anything be considered cold if cold is just the absence of heat?". We know it's cold by the degree to which it lacks heat. That's the only way to measure it, because "cold" is not a thing that exists as its own substance.>>536279167I did answer it. Evil is a privation, exactly the same as cold and darkness are. Meaning a creator could never be responsible for creating it, since it by definition does not have substance. Accusing a creator of making evil is the same as accusing the sun for making shadows. It's incoherent, illogical and it defies every philosophical definition in the book.
>>536274775It's a shit design. Isn't the whole Christian alternative to evolution supposed to be "intelligent design"? This is the opposite.
>>536278833Yep, swap it around and it makes sense. I mixed them up.
>>536275147What happened to mommy's neck, bros?
>>536278496They can't because they would have to take the stance that life is trivially simple and appear like Dunning-Kruger tards like >>536277065
>>536279398So by your logic, you'd rather spend eternity in hell getting tortured 24/7 than just die and stop existing?
Ha yse teh gae odl nqiestuo, midn oevr mterta
>>536278726Atheists also try to force their secular framework around a religious concept that is irreconcilable with it, it is an argument in bad faith from the beginning. Christianity asserts that the entire divine promise which is written, bound, and sealed in the blood of the Christ is that death is abolished eternally, that the suffering we endure on earth is meaningless in the best way possible because our lives here are not even a fraction of a fraction of a blink of an eye in contrast to the kingdom that awaits us. We also believe that suffering is not always necessarily an evil unto itself because this suffering can at times possess profound salvific character. They don't actually listen to any of this, they don't genuinely entertain the Christian concept of this, because they are incapable of doing so and insist on just saying "well God isn't real so that just isn't true".
>>536279396kek, but what are those things though?
>>536279385Humans use to have tails and spiked feline penises.We use to rape females with spikey dicks and make them bleed as we scraped out the cum of other males.
>>536279287That doesn't follow from what I said, but you're clearly not intelligent enough to form coherent thoughts or arguments. The fact that you're getting heated and having a weird little meltdown when I'm trying to explain pre-Christian philosophy to you says it all. You're getting angry at Socrates here, not Christians.
>>536279500IT support tickets
>>536277320You consider suffering and death evil? They are temporary
>>536274910No. That is a different statement that requires a whole different set of proofs
>>536279518>used tospeak for yourself
>>536279398>I did answer it. Evil is a privation, exactly the same as cold and darkness are. Meaning a creator could never be responsible for creating it, since it by definition does not have substance. Accusing a creator of making evil is the same as accusing the sun for making shadows. It's incoherent, illogical and it defies every philosophical definition in the book.No it isn't. Evil exists why, you are deflecting by attempting to obfuscate only. Answer the question why would the all loving creator god create evil. Attempting to talk around the point of the question still brings you back to the point of it. If god created evil he is evil because he did it on purpose, then god cannot be all loving has he created a means to make us suffer that in itself is evil. Trying to redefine what evil is does not in any way change the facts.
>>536279270The fact you have to infantilize the most complex piece of literature ever assembled in this way only demonstrates you don't actually care about what is and is not true. You're just a fanatic who has to have everything reduced to infantile buzzwords and catchphrases by other people to lessen your obligation to actually study any of these things and come to your own conclusion outside of the social influence of others.
>>536279077No it doesn't, you're just coping
So many arguments from ignorance ITT. When you keep repeating: "I have a failure of imagination, therefore God" you just reveal yourself to be a retard that needs to invoke God for things that you don't understand. You not only come across as superstitious and stupid but you also give people who believe in God, but who aren't fucking retarded a bad name by simple association.>I can't imagine how a single or double stranded RNA would form>uh, God, help! help! do a miracle or some shit!It's utterly fucking pathetic. And you will keep doing this shit until the thread dies too.
>>536279535>That doesn't follow from what I said,It literally does you disingenuous fuck. You said nonexistence is maximally evil, therefore it is worse than a hyper rapist mass murderer or eternity in hell.
>>536279105i don't think about you at all. not trying to shame you for believing, not trying to alter your behaviour. and here you are, telling me (anecdotally) that i am miserable. i'm not. kek.
>>536279638doing gods work, anon, keep it up
>>536279370did you peck yourself retarded or were you born that way?
>>536279478No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that evil is a privation, and not an essence. For example, traits such as compassion, wisdom and intelligence are all essences. They have substance, they point to something that exists. Their contraries, such as lacking compassion, foolishness and stupidity, are not essences, they're denoted merely by the lack of a positive quality. When a person is evil, that person is being described as someone who lacks good qualities. It's not a question of "would I rather be tortured or not exist", that has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
>>536278342Ok, this one was based
>>536277534>if God real why brutal/mean thing happen??I'm not a Christian but he's right that you have a retarded infantile conception of things
>>536278735>There's a reason the people who actually study this stuff believe in itThat's got to sting.
Seriously how is evolution not considered retarded regressive determinism fundamentally saying a creature had a specialization to begin with?Because they couldnt evolve something without the potential of it in the first place.How is that not just creationism but just without 'God'?
>>536279860it doesn't prove god doesn't exist, all it proves is god is not "benevolent"
>>536279605giga cope and not an argument
>>536279561kek. thanks for the laugh.
>>536279440don't look her up now, it's depressing
>>536279678No, it doesn't. You should really read at least a little bit of philosophy before getting this angry over a subject you know nothing about. Non-existence itself cannot be judged morally the same way you would judge a man, because non-existence itself has no choice. A man chooses whether his behavior will align with principles, or lack principles. Lacking principles is what makes his behavior morally reprehensible, in light of the fact that he could have chosen to obey and possess principles. "Lack" itself divorced from man is simply nothingness, it's not something we judge morally.Again, what you're doing makes no sense because I'm simply stating the equivalent of "cold is nothingness, it's not a substance", and you're saying "OH SO YOU'D RATHER BE LAUNCHED INTO THE SUN?".
>>536279965>I define what's good and evil
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>>536279764i atleast drunk myself alcohol retarted
>>536276541Birds survived while all dinosaurs died. I don't think they need guns.
>>536280171so, a baby getting eaten alive after getting ripped out of a womb is not "evil", per se?
>>536280171Yes we literally do. I'm going to go ahead and define your ass cancer as a good thing
>>536280240no, it's transformation of energy. the whole concept of good and evil only works in relation to survival of man. but a croc that eats me isn't evil. i'd be stupid to go near it. knowing which is good for me.
>>536279803Lions are nature's gigachads
>>536280129>so you're saying evil is the absence of goodyes>but you're also saying we still can judge what is more or less evil>yes>and you're saying the most evil thing is absence of anything>yes>so you're saying that's more evil than eternity of suffering >no that's not what I'm sayingSmartest godtard
>>536280240who's to say? >>536280324>literallyit's nothing
>>536279183"they figured out"aka>they granted themselves this based on speculation taken from observed phenomena within a laboratory environment.no they didn't.the science is, literally, not settled.and it never will be.
>>536279922Because you don't understand what evolution is. Evolution doesn't require specialization. You keep repeating this like a gotcha. Evolution is, very simply: What works, survives. Specialization happens precisely because of how the search happens, it's a second order effect. For example, birds didn't "save up" for wings or hand some intermediary between scales and feathers because the end "goal" was to specialize in feathers for flight.At every generation, there has to be an advantage. In the case of birds, people hypothesize that they may have been better insulators and an adaption because of the changing climate.The fact we have tongues being re-used to cushion a skull in a bird that bangs its head off tree trunks is because the birds had already evolved to have less bone because it cost less energy to fly. If it was intelligently designed from the start it wouldn't have had to re-use a tongue for such a purpose.In mathematics, we call these type of things local minima. And evolution tends to get caught in them often and it can lead to extinction events. And this is because of how the search is working, constant improvement for fitness across generations.
>>536279599God didn't create evil, because evil is a privation by definition. I'm not redefining anything, you're the one attempting to do so. Evil being a privatory is THE definition for over 4,000 years of theology and philosophy. You might just need to ask a chatbot to explain it to you or something at this point, because you're clearly dead set on being wrong on purpose.
I can only lick my tonsils
>>536280468nigger tactics
>>536280393>the whole concept of good and evil only works in relation to *what humans do to each other, it doesn't apply to the creator of such systems of brutality as the core of reality>>536280436>who's to say?shalom>>536280503>God didn't create evil, because evil is a privation by definition.did he create everything, or no
Is this the cope and seethe against God thread? You worshippers of science can't stop faggots from fucking you in the ass, literal evolutionary dead end action. What about the science of faggots molesting children to reproduce? What about the science of niggers being more monkey than man? Ignore what is not convient and adhere to what ever gives you the moral superiority. The truth? You and your gay little lab coats don't know shit. You just want power and authority without any responsibility. You would rather poison the world than be told the truth. Fix my economy. Fix my social structure. Stop poisoning us with manmade horrors.Cut your dick off and do the science dance, remember to boost!
>>536280405I hope you're just pretending to be an illiterate moron who can't think straight, but it's truly hard to tell these days.
>>536280492You cant just develop wings and wings itself are a specialization from prior lifeformsEvery change is potential and oppurtunity costIts regressive determinism that fools think is a smart explanation for reality
>>536276012>creates Earth>creates all flora and fauna required to maintain the various ecosystems >doesn't create a perfect system because struggle is inherent to personal, societal, and spiritual growth >creates heaven for those who prove themselve worthy during life on earth Meanwhile, helicopter parents spoil and "protect" their children to the nth degree and are shocked when their progeny become entitled, arrogant, narcissists and wholly devoid of any meaningful traits
>>536280636They don't seem to reply to arguments debunking evolutionBut I haven't read the whole thread
>>536280601jews are heavily invested in the concept of defining good and evil, while simultaneously uniquely unfit for the task.
>>536280636Are you okay
>>536280705payback is a bitch
>>536280601God is the cause of everything that exists. Evil does not exist, because evil is non-existence. When a man's behavior is called evil, what we're referencing is the qualities in him that do not exist. We're referencing his lack of compassion, his lack of sympathy, his lack of mercy, his lack of truth, his lack of wisdom.Again, trying to claim that God is the author of evil is the same as trying to claim that the sun is the author of shadows and ice. When we see a shadow, what we're seeing is a place where the sun did not reach. When we see an evil man, what we're seeing is a mind devoid of the eternal good. This is basic, basic, absolutely fundamentally basic philosophy 101 stuff. It's shocking to me that you guys don't already know this.
>>536280794>jews are heavily invested in the concept of defining good and evilthere is no "evil" to jews, they don't even believe in satan; everything people assign to satan is just more of god's willcan't really say they look "wrong"
>>536280601you seem to suggest that humans should be beyond being the animals that we are. cause we developed into tool making and thinking ahead. we are not different. we do have developed a morale that helps us to survive. some are considered evil because they endanger others. their survival. is it evil of me to wish for less africans? maybe. it'd be good for me though and my clan.
alright it's getting too reddit in here
>>536279922>Seriously how is evolution not considered retarded regressive determinism it is by anyone with two braincells to rub together.atheists and diehard EVO proponents can't understand the concept of internal critiques. any flaw in their world view? uhhh uhhh but God is fake and gay tho!
>>536274775Honest question... Why can't God just have done evolution? The ability to adapt is pretty overpowered and a loving God would give it's creations that kinda ability.
>>536280864ya can't say I disagree. superfluous terms, really. see ya around
Thread being taken up by one atheist faggot spamming his animal gore fetish because it totally owns his mom for making him go to Sunday school sometimes. No one could have predicted this!
>>536280991Because it would mean that death existed before the fall of man. Macroevolution after the fall sure, but evolution prior to it no.
>>536280991>epigenetics>different allele versions of the same genes>mechanisms for protein-coding genes to arise from non-coding regionsOur biology is already really flexible
>>536279183>Then they haven't actually studied it. Scientists are pretty closed to figuring it out.If you keep citing the failed Miller-Urey experiment, you should know that it generated cyanide and the electricity also destroyed the amino acids it generated (which is why the experimenter had to trap the substances generated so they wouldn't immediately get destroyed). It also generated an equal number of left-handed and right-handed amino acids. Furthermore, the "Early Earth Atmosphere" that Stanley Miller and Harold Urey believed in, in 1950s science, is not believed to have existed in today's science: They believed that it was a 'reducing' atmosphere, but it is now believed to have been an 'oxidating' atmosphere:Parker, E.T. et al., Primordial synthesis of amines and amino acids in a 1958 Miller H2S-rich spark discharge experiment, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 108(14):5526–5531, 5 April 2011 | doi:10.1073/pnas.1019191108.This is one reason that a group of 300 scientists of the Royal Society met together on 7-9 November 2016 and concluded that the Neo-Darwinian Synthesis needed to be replaced.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5566820/Denis Noble, who developed the first mathematical model of cardiac cells in 1960, organized that 2016 conference.>In 2023 the book Evolution "On Purpose": Teleonomy in Living Systems co-edited by Noble along with Addy Pross, Peter Corning, Stuart Kauffman, James A. Shapiro and Richard I. Vane-Wright stated in the introduction that "Teleonomy in living systems is not, after all, only "apparent". It is a fundamental fact of life."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrJ6jDZRESQ
>>536280849So, there's no cause to evil?
>>536279398"Good is a privation of evil, exactly the same as heat and light. Meaning an evil creator could never be responsible for creating goodness, since it by definition does not have substance. Accusing a creator of making good is the same as blah blah blah"Do you get it? This is your retarded verbal shell game.People can make shadowless rooms. People eradicated smallpox and all kinds of plagues. The fact that "god" didn't do the same with evil and cancer for toddlers shows he does not share our morality. More people going to the doctor for help these days than church. Good for them, using the philosophical definition.You need to take the L and become social doctors. There's an untapped market there for you and you can take a page out of the scientist's book. Time to grow up
>>536280753>struggle is inherent to personal, societal, and spiritual growthIs it? Why don't we all get gigarape struggle and just some people do? Is there a way I can spread mine out so I don't get it all in a lump sum?
>>536281247Right, something that doesn't exist cannot have a cause. Just like how there's no cause for darkness and no cause for cold. They're just void, or "pure lack". The only reason it's even possible to identify them is because you know of heat and warmth and goodness, which do exist and have a cause, and the difference between heat and cold, or good and evil, is a matter of continuous degrees. A man's behavior is evil when his actions lack the qualities that we know are good, such as wisdom, justice and honesty.
>>536280991Because that is the Darwinian god, not the jesus sandnigger god.
>>536281811Off to hell you go buddy It's better than not existing (according to you) so don't complain to much
>>536281557>muh going to doctor over churchThe Catholic Church literally created modern science. It created and funded nearly the entire university system of Europe. How many atheist hospitals are there? Now tell me how many Catholic hospitals there are.
>>536282095Wow, a lot of them DO have "saint" in the name! I was wrongI also didn't know that doctors all ACTUALLY went to bible school to learn about the catholic church 500 years ago. And that's why doctors are more christiany than sciency :) DURRRRR
>>536277679Perfection frozen in time is nothingness. Interlocked systems that continue working perpetually need to exist. God already offered resurrection.>>536282041bad argument
>>536281811is leaving a lost wallet on the ground the same as stealing it?
>>536274775This is a simulation. And it could be heavenly if the jews were utterly destroyed to the last.
>>536282041not yet existing can't be better than not existing anymore. unless one considers existence a burden. there is good and evil among humans, only because we defined it along our group preference survival strategy, that made us what we are. the apex predator.
