What is the link between not believing in the supernatural and promoting degeneracy and abortion? It's easy to say these things are not related in any way but observable reality clearly shows otherwise. We can all agree you'd be quite hard pressed to find a supernatural advocate in the degenerate abortionist camp.
I'm pro abortion. Every baby has at least a small chance of being the antichrist, so we should try to maximize abortions to be safe
>>536326911All pro-life arguments rely on some form of mysticism, be it a god cope, soul cope, divine spark cope etc. A rational thinker understands that a fetus is nothing special, just a bundle of nerves and meat
>>536326913if there's no free will you are also a bundle of nerves and meat
>>536326911I am an occultist and am pro-abortion because I also think we need eugenics. Abortion is literally just bloodless non-violent eugenics with retards taking themselves out of the gene pool. I don't think most people have souls and are spiritually on the same level as cattle desu
>>536326914Free will doesn't require God + scientists debate whether we even have free will. As for the bundle of nerves and meat, yes, there's nothing separating a human from ant other animal besides a higher developed brain that allows us to schizo out and make up things like philosophy.
>>536326916that's right, you are an organic bot no more valuable than a fetus
>>536326914>>536326916>>536326917No member of the species homo sapiens is truly human until they are sapient
>>536326918without free will nobody is truly sapient, it's all automatic processes
>>536326914Free will is a christian myth. It's insane to me that modern humans have to come up with all this made up shit like soul and free will just to be okay with existing.
>>536326911>What is the link between not believing in the supernatural and promoting degeneracy and abortion?A spiritual void causing a regression to an animal-like motive structure. It really is that simple and atheists will readily admit to it if you ask them in the right context using the right words.
>>536326921Contra abortion is the most animal-like pro nature stance you can have. Nature doesn't want you to abort.
>>536326922Nature doesn't "want" anything. Becky wants to ride the cock carousel but she doesn't want responsibility. Since she doesn't believe in anything greater than herself (with the possible exception of the niggercattle collective) everything is about what she wants. There's nothing more to it.
>>536326911The link is that religion roots morality in the millenia it was made up so any new sophisticated moral standards seem like degeneracy to someone bound by his fantasy book (until they accept it because 99% of the pop accepts it and in turn they pretend the book was allegorical)
>>536326924>new sophisticated moral standardsQRD?
>>536326925gay anal sex and children raised by the State. it's sophisticated. you wouldn't get it.
>>536326918>until they are sapientGoing to a prenatal appointment today. I'll be sure to ask the doctor when they administer the sapience test. I'm sure they won't look at me like a retard.
>>536326918>No member of the species homo sapiens is truly human until they are sapientI agree with this, which is why I don't consider you to be truly human. Is it ok to kill you?
>>536326928That's the thing anon, the subtext of pro-abort arguments is always that it's okay to kill them. They are so disconnected from the value of life itself that they genuinely want to die, but are ashamed to admit it. Their antinatalist arguments betray this. They universally wish they had never been born, so they project that onto babies.
>>536326925People can have sex with whoever they want, women don't have to be bound 9 months to a sick person just because "she'd be a meanie otherwise", the abolition of slavery, the end of monarchies, laws on animal experimentation, moratorium on whaling, the abolition of racist laws, worker rights and benefits, government sponsored programs for the homeless instead of the very inneficatious "charity", some more evolved countries have free healthcare, voting rights, freedom of the press, free artistic expression...All the things you call degeneracy, for the reasons I explained in my other post. (And add some nietzchean ressentiment for why you metacognitively use religion as a way to appear virtuous and to encroach on women's freedom to have sex with anyone but you)I have very little regards for npcs like you that for millenias have kept the same unoriginal schtick >But that's muh degeneracyYou will not grow out of it because you are a flawed machine of regress
>>536326930>i can do X>i don't have to do Y>i like how the government does ZOk, but can you specify the "sophisticated moral standard" you mentioned?
>>536326931It's a combination of consent, harm reduction, and utilitarianism.
>>536326931Yes, I'm more materialist than you I figured as much since I don't believe in god or in words that have been misused into implying absolute like morality.
>>536326933do you not find any concern in the fact that people like you are the eternal victims of history to people who DO believe in something (even if it's completely fake)? surely you've invented SOME metaphysics for yourself to stave off insanity?
>>536326930how does killing babies fit into any of this?
>>536326929Pronatalism is worse though. Pronatalists want to force rape victims to give birth to a child that will go unloved by its mother. Pronatalists promote dysgenics and the degradation of humanity. Pronatalists think its virtuous to bring children into a world not worth living in. Pronatalists think its virtuous to bring children into a life of poverty.Pronatalism is inherently cruel and anti-human. Pronatalism would rather have an overpopulated world full of misery and poverty rather than allow one abortion. They are the ones who degrade human life.
>>536326936>Pronatalists think its virtuous to bring children into a world not worth living in.you mean that world after 200 years of progress?
>>536326934No>>536326935The gosh darned children! Someone just think of mah pooor little babies
>>536326930>ressentimentThe French commie anon who was getting bodied in the other thread about communism also overused this word like he had just read about it and was perseverating. That you, Frankofag?
>>536326936>If we just murder everyone, there will be no suffering! I am a good person!Start with yourself, faggot.
>>536326939Yeah, I was getting so bodied people devolved into little children insults and saying they would testify in heaven against me out of frustration lmaoo
>>536326938>The gosh darned children! Someone just think of mah pooor little babiesnot an argument. you are mocking murder victims, your morality seems like an empty show
>>536326942he's already acknowledged that he does not care if he is killed and his ideology dies out. so he is not worthy of debate in the first place.
>>536326936>Pronatalists want to force rape victims to give birth to a child that will go unloved by its mother.Most rape victims love their children. You pretend that it is a given that the mother will hold the child accountable for its father's crimes because you are a retard with no morals.
>>536326942>>536326943Such snowflakes
>>536326941When you can be so readily identified on an anonymous forum just by your retarded pattern of speech and pseudointellectualism, you might consider that you don't have a very wide breadth of knowledge or behavior. Stunted might be the word.
>>536326946I call that "style" and "elegance" but that's all right
>>536326946Kek. That would require self-awareness. Show me any lefty actually capable of that, I'll pay you $10,000.
>>536326941>they would testify in heaven against meThay was me, actually. It still holds true, but it's not too late fore you to humble yourself, repent, and accept that you're not (and indeed cannot be from your limited perspective) the ultimate authority on morality. Turn to Christ and live, anon.
>>536326944It doesn't matter. Such a child is statistically more prone to be a rapist than other males. And yes, there are studies about this. Sexual offending runs in families and it's strongly correlated with genes. Sexual violence emerged because losers had to rape females to produce offspring. They obviously don't deserve to pass their inferior rapist genes, so killing such a child in early embryonic stage should be mandatory.
>>536326940Do you also want to delay euthanasia to those who are dying a slow painful death from an incurable illness? You pronatalists are way worse than the strawman you make of me. In the modern era pronatalist ideology is in practice nothing more than acting as breeding cattle to produce more slaves for elites. Or you are an elite yourself and are just trying to psyop your slaves to produce more slaves. Antinatalism is not a disease, it is a symptom of a bad society.
>>536326950>Such a child is statistically more prone to be a rapist than other males. And yes, there are studies about this. Sexual offending runs in families and it's strongly correlated with genes.Are you being racist right now, anon? It sounds like this is what a racist would say.
>>536326951>Do you also want to delay euthanasia to those who are dying a slow painful death from an incurable illness?Yes, because it's not our place to kill people. I'd say when the third leading cause of death in the developed world is the medical system itself, we can't rely on doctors to know what disease is and isn't a guaranteed death sentence in the first place. Get doctors to get it right all the time and we'll revisit this.
>>536326950I'm not sure how "offending" or "violence" is a problem when nothing matters.
>>536326951Are the elites in the room with you right now, you schizophrenic faggot?
>>536326950>Such a child is statistically more prone to be a rapist than other males. And yes, there are studies about this. Sexual offending runs in families and it's strongly correlated with genes.You are highly aligned with Nazis, you just want to get to the final solution at an earlier stage of human development than they do. Lmao, what a fucking joke you are.
>>536326952Well, I'm a pretty racist person, but this is not racism.
>>536326955Every society has a ruling class AKA elites. There are always people with positions of cultural, political, religious and economic power.
>>536326934>surely you also made up some elaborate cope about your own percieved importance?!embarrassing
>>536326956They had some good ideas, yes, but final solution was about Jews. Embryos don't think and don't feel much, if they applied Aktion T4 only to embryos then I would be perfectly fine with it. Down syndrome nearly disappeared from Iceland thanks to abortion and that's a good thing.
>>536326960A sleeping person isn't thinking or feeling. If I shoot you in the head while you're sleeping, is that fine?
>>536326922"Naturally" women are supposed to have at least a couple of miscarriages and some infant death before they bear a son strong enough to survive. Before industrial revolution infant mortality was close to 50%. Nature wants most babies to die as a form of eugenic improvement
>>536326960>"Duuuhhh yeah, but I'm bot talking about killing jews, I'm talking about killing every baby who doesn't fit my arbitrary standards, so it's okay."
>>536326937if these degenerates had a time machine they'd go back to the 17th century and hand out contraceptives to their ancestors
>>536326911>link between not believing in the supernatural and promoting degeneracy well for one thing, degeneracy is not allowed in christianity
>>536326911for another, anything is allowed in atheisim
>>536326911No, tons of liberals bitches who scream about "muh women's rights" are also into "spiritualism" and manifesting and astrology and all sorts of supernatural shit, they just reject Christianity specifically and a God that has any sort of standards or expectations for behaving like a good person.>>536326913No you just shouldn't kill innocent people.
my pussy my choice
>>536327096>only religion can prevent me from fucking animalsnormalfags are not human
>>536326914Your religion doesn't believe in free will Ephesians 1:4-5
>>536326930>People can have sex with whoever they wantEven 5 year olds?
>>536326930>women don't have to be bound 9 months to a sick person just because "she'd be a meanie otherwise"Well yeah, literally no one is arguing they should.
>>536326911Humans are naturally stupid, immoral degenerates. The smarter, more conscientious people in society came up with religion as a way to get them to behave.
>>536327528Some comedian said it well (paraphrasing):>there's two kinds of idiots when it comes to religion. The ones who take fairy tales as literal facts, and the ones who see no value in religion. You want to be somewhere in the middle.There are retards who cannot come up with functional value system without a threat of some ultimate authority punishing them. Religion is a perfect tool for uplifting them into something that can function within a civilization.
>>536327528>>536328070More or less.The final redpill is that some blue pills are necessary. There are a significant portion of people who literally cannot be good without the idea that they are always being watched and there will be some punishment if they're not. A lot of this is IQ based, but even "smart" people will often just be immoral if not monitored or given direct incentive not to.
>>53632691195% of the "people" you meet are just soulless NPCs. Religion, and in particular, organized religion is promoted for them because they fear death and demand simple explanations. What does the authority or book say about this? Those become "their" thoughts and they parrot them back to you.Someone that is genuinely highly intelligent and not religious can accept it. They don't need to fall into hedonism to try to escape from the reality of life. Or nihilism. Such things like mass promotion of religion won't affect them either, you promote religion for that 95% of people that can't think for themselves and would have a mental breakdown if they realized that they just get one life and there won't be any divine reward or justice in the next life.All religious impulses are driven by ego and selfishness. It's all about you. God created you, you are special. You matter. Who doesn't want to hear these things? The person who was beginning to realize that they won't even be a blip in history, that whether they go to stack that shelf in their dead end retail job today or not is actually largely irrelevant. That someone else will quickly be found to do it instead. The ego feels wounded when it touches realities like this, so fantasies, about a best friend who was willing to give his life to save you (even though he just revived himself) is what touches on the heartstrings and gets people to engage in comforting fantasies.The sad fact of life is that the vast majority of "people" are content to live in ignorance. Don't know about this particular bit of how life originated or evolved? God did it. Why do bad things happen to good people? God. Why do bad people get away with horrific crimes? God. Why do even strange and unexpected good things happen? God. And so it is trying to be everything at the same time, when it's really saying nothing. Those who repeatedly make arguments from ignorance, they see that ignorance as strength.
>>536326911Pro-abortion advocates are not religious, but are definitely superstitious.The main difference is that their belief in the supernatural and paranormal isn't codified in a religious text, or formal religious sects.The COVID hysteria was a prime example of magical beliefs mass-influencing populations which are predominately pro-statist liberal (neoliberal), the types of people who are overwhelmingly pro-abortion (child murder).
>>536326913> A rational thinker understands that a fetus is nothing specialThis is wrong. A fetus has rights. Not any bundle of nerves and meat can become a person, only a fetus can. That's why it is granted the special rights of a "nasciturus" from the moment it is created.
>>536327096You can do whatever you want as a religious person, it's just that you first pick and choose what parts of scripture are 'obviously metaphorical' so you don't have to actually abide by them.
