Deism is the default for humans. Those who reject it will generally always have their heads filled with nonsense beliefs that they then have no guiding light to sort with. Only a small fraction of agnostics or atheists ever form their own strong guiding principles, and even then, they usually sound like a final fantasy character when they talk about them. This is what makes leftists so fucking insufferable. Their faith is in the media.I don't know why Christianity is fucking itself for white people right now. The niggers and browns tend to be better at doing it. Any white person with a shred of reason is going to see Evangelism and turn from God, because why the fuck would anyone share a religion with a legitimized chapter that goes against its own texts? But you can't take the Evanglist's idea of the wrathful father from them while offering something peaceful and communal with the same God elsewhere. This just makes people turn away.A return to polytheism might save The West, as our true forebears in the Greco-Roman Empire understood the value of separating divine concepts. Too bad that will never happen. People are in love with their magic carpenter act like cattle religion, or Funko Pops.
>>536331748>have their heads filled with nonsense beliefsthats all religions tho, they are all nonsense and a waste of time.
>>536331748Protestants aren't Christians, they're illegitimate heretical offshoots. The Catholic Church and Eastern/Oriental Orthodox Churches are the only ones with legitimate apostolic succession and despite our estrangement through schism we recognize each other as having this legitimacy between us - that we three are all "true particular Churches" with valid sacraments and valid means of sanctification. We have nothing to do with protestantism and have never recognized any of its 30,000 denominations as legitimate. Orthodox Christianity and protestantism/LDS/JW are completely uncomparable, these are entirely separate things.
>>536332314all religions and churches need to be fully dismantled, made illegal and their assets confiscated.there should be years in workcamps as punishments for wasting other peoples time with religion scams.
>>536332404Why do you feel that way?
>>536332502humanity wasted hundreds of trillions of man hours on retarded religion larps that lead to nowhere but financial scams and self mutilation.religion is the biggest cancer of humanity.
I agree OP
>>536332557The Catholic Church created and funded nearly the entire university system of Europe and produced modern science as we know it. The Catholic Church is also the largest provider of healthcare and medical research in the world by a very wide margin.
>>536332673>The Catholic Church created and funded with the money and assets stolen and confiscated from millions of people.
>>536332739Is your problem the concept of taxation in general, or is it that a religious organization is using tax money for scientific pursuit? Would you be okay with a secular entity taxing you and using your money for the exact same research?
>>536332557This is how religions go throughout history. They appear, fresh and useful. Then they rot. The Abrahamics are rotten, moldy, horrid things that have spawned the most abhorrent cultures. Cleaning the Abrahamics up would require worldwide violence never before seen. They should be obsoleted by something better.>>536332314Catholics stay winning, stay clean. Abraham can stick around if you get back to enforcing order.
>>536332945>religions steal money from the people>religions tell people lies>they fund "science" that kills and harms innocent people (big pharma, vaccinations, goyslop etc).also the church cucks sold out hundreds of years ago to the Rothschilds by taking loans from them.so basically organized religion is just an extension of the jewish central banking scheme.
I've found my spirituality through the chakras. They are rooted in vedic eschatology but regardless of any supernatural beliefs they can be experienced in a secular form. My saving grace to life and my humanity was discovering and clearing blockages in my root, sacral, heart and third eye chakras.These days people just don't understand what it means to be human. Our civilization has perverted the world we live in to the point that people go through their entire lives without looking inside of themselves for direction. They just do what they're told without questioning, and then wonder why they're so permanently miserable.
>>536331748Gods are immortal concepts.Rabbi Yeshua is just a dead jew.There's a good reason why ancient Romans viewed christians as atheists. They gave up the divine to worship a dead guy.
>>536331748Polytheism is the worship of men as gods, and you'd know this if you studied bronze age & iron age history. Horus was Egypt's first Pharoh, Caesar was Rome's first dictator, and Neptune was Tyre's first king. You cannot "return" to polytheism, because by design it is an evolution & corruption of preexisting religious establishment. You already live under a polytheistic government, it's why your movies come from Hollywood, why there's a literal temple of the Union with a massive statue of Abraham Lincoln in it, and why we have nonsense holidays like June teenth. We already live under the religious system you're advocating; idolatry promoted with union of the state for the state's benefit.
>>536332314You talk like a fag and your religions are gay
>>536332557>religion is the biggest cancer of humanity
>>536331748I think we could learn from The Mysteries revered by the ancients. Maybe we should bring back initiatic orders like in the ancient world.
>>536332953Our problems began precisely when we abandoned God, not when we were pious. Every problem we face today can be traced to two very specific events; the conspiratorial atheistic judeo-freemason French Revolution in the West, and the conspiratorial atheistic judeo-bolshevik Russian Revolution in the East. These were the two events which envenomated us with judaizing secular humanism, which murdered our legitimate nobility and aristocracy, which brainwashed us into hating and murdering our own fathers and hating aristocratic tradition. Regardless of how you feel spiritually, these two videos are the best analyses I have ever come across regarding the French Revolution and they should be mandatory viewing. Asha Logos' entire jewtube/substack/xitter is the best gold mine of true racial consciousness that I've personally ever found. These two are on the archive channel which reuploads videos lolocausted off the main channel, which is just named Asha Logos. Every one of his videos is well worth watching even individually, and even if one remains an atheist they will still really enjoy all of these. https://youtu.be/aR1Rn9mK9iohttps://youtu.be/KFZ-uWkCd5U
>>536333402it truly is one of the worst things to ever happen to humans.if they never got distracted and scammed by this obvious nonsense we would already be a type 2 civilization on the kardashev scale.but instead humans kiss the feet of niggers, kneel for some brown shitskin nailed to across, mutilate their dicks, "sacrifice" ressources etc.its pure cancer, a tumor that infests the human brain.
>>536333126The Church has 2,000 years of history and you willfully choose to reduce this to "big pharma, vaccinations, goyslop etc." This is incredibly disingenuous and you know that. >steal money from peopleWho and how?>tell people liesWhat lies, and why do you believe they're lies? Stop being vague.
>>536333568>The Church has 2,000 years of history2000 years of preaching loser shit and telling lies to people.huge waste of time.>Who and how?anyone who has any stuff got stolen from, the church is extremely predatory when it comes to money.thats why they are billionaires and tell you to live like a poorfag.>What lies, and why do you believe they're lies?everything they say and claim is wrong and retarded.
>>536333428>Our problems began precisely when we abandoned Godthe problems began precisely when people invented god and religion. biggest scam ever to fleece people while giving them lies in return.
>>536333563No we wouldn't because the Catholic Church literally created and funded almost the entire university system of Europe as I already told you. The dark age is a complete fabrication that literally comes from judeo-freemason propaganda from the French Revolution, as does every other diabolical and slanderous lie about our medieval ancestors. Science and religion have always been helically interwoven. You atheists parasitically attach yourselves to the scientific achievements of the Church and pretend you're the ones who did it. The fruit of atheism thus far has been well over 100,000,000 dead, little girls raped and decapitated in the streets with impunity, the dead of everything noble about the Aryan peoples, the total annihilation of our aristocratic tradition, the hatred of our own fathers and culture, the rise of what can only be called anti-intellectualism, the triumph of jews and the mediocre over the scholastic and pious and strong and kingly. Here's a fun quote for you;>"The Republic needs neither scientists nor chemists; the course of justice cannot be delayed."Said by the atheist French revolutionary Jean-Baptiste Coffinhal as he demanded the execution of the then-greatest chemists in all of Europe and father of modern chemistry himself.
>>536331748Faiths come into being as history calls for them, and Gods take the forms that are required to fulfill their purpose.
>>536333691>anyone who has any stuff got stolen fromLike who?>everything they say and claim is wrong and retardedHow do you know that?
>>536333804>our problems began hundreds of thousands of years ago???
>>536331748Yeah, just like it saved India, right? Them and their 1000s of gods. Shut up, idiot.
>>536331748>Deism is the default for humans.Unsubstantiated.>Those who reject it will generally always have their heads filled with nonsense beliefs that they then have no guiding light to sort with.My guiding light is not hurting others because I don't like it when I get hurt, and I don't want others around me to experience that pain because we evolved as a gregarious species requiring cooperation for survival. That pretty much kills your argument off the bat, so I didn't read the rest.
>>536331748I dont know about your specific flavor of polytheism, but Hinduism is the most vile, amoral, anti spiritual religion out there
>>536333127The chakra form an incredible basis for understanding the self, the world, and one's place in it. It is entirely possible to experience the divine through them in a secular way, and when you do, it tends to reveal the emptiness within others. My own path was to design my own set of faith systems. Remixes for western paganism, eastern taoism, ascribing divinity to empiricism and knowing, and animism. It'd be bullshit if I didn't believe in my own religions.
>>536333563>if they never got distracted and scammed by this obvious nonsense we would already be a type 2 civilization on the kardashev scale.
>>536333402Even Dawkins started to agree that being religious gives some evolutionary advantage, otherwise, non religious humanoids would take the earth.
>>536333691>2000 years of preaching loser shit and telling lies to people.>huge waste of time.
>>536333888humans could have done all these things more efficiently if they werent held back by a jewish slave religion.nothing slows down science down as much as religion does.
>>536333938>Like who?everyone that got forced into cuckstianity against their will.>How do you know that?when you are not mentally handicapped its very easy to see.
>>536334252Hes not wrong.I could dump the info right now. But not while niggers jews and everyone else runs riot.Sort your shit out.
>>536333965yes, people should have never invented the concept of god and religion.just imagine what humans could have accomplished in 2000 years if they didnt waste their time on this fantasy world crap.
>>536334086Listen to me, you little shit. If you're going to talk like a scientist, I'm not going to let you ignore reality. Go back 60,000 years in human history and watch naked cave people bury their dead and place flowers. Examine their strange artifacts. The Egyptians and those that came before have always believed in something higher than themselves. That's how people have unified since we developed enough consciousness to understand cooperation.Do not be an insufferable bitch if you are going to be an empiricist.
>>536334486How did the Catholic Church slow down scientific achievement that it was responsible for in the first place?>when you are not mentally handicapped its very easy to see.Not an answer. How do you know they're lies?
>>536334780Still unsubstantiated, and even if true, it's an argument ad populum. Dismissed.
>>536334885The Catholic Church fostered much early scientific progress, it slowed specific advancements when findings clashed with literal scriptural interpretations. It primarily achieved this by policing theological boundaries, banning texts, and enforcing its authority over the interpretation of the natural world
>>536334599We don't have to imagine because we have many real world examples now: the judeo-freemason French Revolution and all the horrors that came out of revolutionary (conspiratorially genocidal) France, the judeo-bolshevik Russian Revolution and subsequent Soviet Union, communist China and da gleat reap fohwad, the Khmer Rouge, and so on.Atheism has proven time and again that it results in the absolute polar opposite of what you're insinuating it does.
>>536331748>Deism is the default for humansNah, we're all born athiest
>>536335036I just believe in mother earth.Dont need to be an atheist. She's sustained me so far, and she will until my death. Such a weird mindset you have.Either believe in something you cannot perceive or dont believe in anything.Why not believe in the thing that sustains life? Its verifiably there.
>>536334904Academic enlightenment is no place for those without pattern recognition. Those without the minds for science and objectivism need stories. It is stories that got us to science and objectivism in the first place as a species. You are failing at your own principles if you do not understand the anthropological basis for religions.Fucking atheists, dude.
>>536334996Which advancements?>inb4 heliocentrismThe Church never took an official stance against the heliocentric model. Galileo was placed on house arrest because for years he was a complete asshole to the pope WHO WAS HIS PATRON AND FUNDING ALL OF HIS WORK, which Pope Urban let slide. Only once he wrote Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems in which he really shit all over Pope Urban to the point of writing a stand-in character for him literally named "Simplicio", for objectively no real reason, was he placed on house arrest. He was still allowed to continue his work during this.>inb4 Giordano BrunoJudaizing heretic who deserved what happened to him.
>>536335163"Mother Earth" is abject indifference. "Mother Earth" is the parasitoid wasp paralyzing a spider and dragging it back to its nest to lay eggs on it so its hatchlings can slowly eat the spider alive from the inside out. "Mother Earth" is a wolf ripping a baby deer out of its mother's womb and eating it before it even had a chance at life. Your existence is entirely unnatural and the direct result of man rising above this indifference of nature and obtaining dominion over it.
>>536334210>>536333127Are you Indian?
>>536335036>the judeo-freemason French Revolutionfreemasonry is a religion, thanks for proving my point.same with communism, also invented by masonic jews.
>>536335319Natures a bitch, but you're here because of it. If you're incapable of sustaining the fight, what need does she have of you?You fight the most basic laws because of fear.
>>536335355No, just a white faggot really into philosophy and anthropology.
>>536335371No it isn't. The vast majority of the French Revolution-era masons were militant atheists.
>>536331748Anon...you did not clearly state a particular failure point of Monotheism. That it can't save the West? Is that the highest criterion for judging the true religion?
>>536335404You do not derive your moral system from "nature", because nature is intrinsically anti-moral. You hypocritically ascribe a system which exists directly out of the revolt against natural indifference to nature itself. You are yourself also a theist one step removed, you just replace "God" with a faggy new age concept of "nature".
>>536334258If you pay attention to details, movements and individual "thinkers" that could pass as modern day atheists were anticlerical, not anti- religion.The only glaring exception is European atheism in XVIII century, which was a 100% political initiative against the monarchy. Idiots who took it way too seriously during the French revolution become marginalized, just like all the militant atheists in the USSR.Redditard atheists are like that Chink soldier who got stranded on empty island for years and didn't realize the war has ended long time ago. A superficial understanding of the world and a delusion of grandeur without any real effort.
>>536335532>nature is intrinsically anti-moralNature is.It doesnt care for your morallity. It just is.Thats what scares you most.So, you fear the end, Not the necessity of it.
>>536335637I was an O9Atranny, I was anti-moral myself for quite a long time and have looked far deeper into that void than you. It ended with me having my teeth knocked out of my head by the Holy Spirit and God making an example out of me for others.
>>536335460>were militant atheists.to be a freemason cuck you have to believe in a God, so no you are wrong and apparently cant differentiate between a masonic larp and whats really going on.
>>536335724Well, hopefully the data you've gathered is useful for the future. But at this stage you've becoming a rock in the stream.So while this conversation is entertaining, it leads nowhere. Ill leave you to your god.
>>536332314Get vaxxxed, golem
>>536335728You are more than free to go down the list of the leading figures of the French Revolution one by one and see who was a freemason and atheist. You're arguing against what is objective, known historical fact.
>>536332953Stay winning, xisters
>>536335532Ego death, followed by a flash of white light, and perhaps some religious dreams afterward?Been there.
>>536335815Everyone who got vaxxed will die in 2 more weeks trust the plan
>>536335821yes all of them were Freemason cucks and thus religious.sorry that your loser argument doesnt hold up, yes religion is cancer masonic or christian or jewish or hindu or muslim or whatever, all of these are retarded scams led by the same scammers.
>>536335803I don't necessarily agree with the anon you've been exchanging with, but I think you must consider your nature worship position better.Everything we empirically detect in the universe did not always exist. Everything we can sense has a cause. If Nature, or the Universe, itself always existed by itself, how can all of its parts that we detect have a beginning in time?Necessarily, there must be an existent outside of Nature, and outside of the Universe, that made nature the way it is.Nature may not be moral in and of itself, but that is because nature is not just for humans. Morality is different when it comes to intellectually accountable creatures and those that are not. What we do see in nature, though, are patterns, intricate design, and balance, which is compelling evidence of an intelligent Creator.Therefore, the Creator deserves your worship and focus, not the creation.What is your objection to this idea?
>>536335885Yes because a jew is no different from any other group in this regard. If a person dies having never converted to Christianity through no fault of their own - which is to say because they were never evangelized or were inadequately evangelized - there is still hope that they can be saved, provided they lived righteously according to the Law. To say otherwise is to insinuate that everyone including people like some random chinese rice farmer peasant toddler goes to hell out of sheer virtue of having never heard the name "Jesus Christ", which is comically monstrous. The Vatican overtly states that how jews who do not believe in Jesus (like anyone else) can attain salvation when salvation is through Christ alone is an "unfathomable divine mystery". It still upholds that there is no salvation outside of the Church and jews are not part of the Church, their souls are left entirely at the mercy and perfect judgement of God.
>>5363335682000 years of jew worship
>>536335939>all of them were militantly atheist and genocided religious people and tried to destroy the Church but they had some faggy gay anal sex rituals which means they're religiousI can hear the sparks shooting out of your brain from here.
>>536331748>proceeds to worship beings that jerk off into salads to own their enemies
>>536335821At first there was the Cult of Reason as the new state religion but the leaders were executed and it was replaced by the Cult of the Supreme Being which was Deist and sounds masonic as hell.
>>536336221>all of them were militantly atheist and genocided religious people and tried to destroy the Churchthats just simply interreligious jew wars, they do things like this all the time.its called divide and conquer.
>>536332314>apostolic successionimmediately disqualifiedcounterfeit church
>>536334252If you worship a circumcised Jewish god, are you really that different?
>>536332314>Catholic ChurchGlobal south, no thanks. Protestantism is for Germanics, the rest of you can have that Catholic or Orthodox stuff.
>>536336276Yeah why would "athiests" do weird things like sprinkling the king's blood on the crowd? It sounds very jewwy to me.
>>536335319Yeah and?
>>536336326kek, imagine humans did something thats actually productive instead of mutilating dicks and storing foreskins.
>>536336064I cant respond because now is not the time for the response. Humanity isn't ready yet.You'll understand in due time. :)
>>536336276You really are something brother. You're not even having a conversation at this point, you're just shouting random fanatical nonsense that is demonstrably untrue because you can't cope with the fact that atheism in practice bears no resemblance to what you insinuate it does. The French Revolution was judeo-atheist. The bolsheviks were judeo-atheists. The CCP is atheist. The Khmer Rouge were atheists. So on. Look around you today right now. You live in a secular atheistic society. The reason the West is dying is because in abandoning God we have lost our divine mandate.
>>536336367you sound like the kinda moron that believes everything he reads. would explain why you fell for the religion scam, low IQ people are not equipped with a brain that can figure things out.
>>536336166Mental gymnastics of christgolems never ceases to amaze
>>536331748ri-zoll>11
>>536336477but you even admit it yourself you low IQ moron>The French Revolution was judeo-atheist.translation: staged and faked by jews.also dont forget according to the Talmud jews are allowed to lie so larping as an atheist to fool goyim cattle is totally fine.
>>536335456Do you place any value (or meaning) in your biological instantiation as a white person?We can learn a lot from other peoples' practices (especially when those domains of thought and study have been repressed in your own), but my concern is that they necessarily embed the genetics of the peoples who develop them. Plucking the bathwater along with the baby, as it were.
>>536336341Saint Ignatius of Antioch's (disciple of the Apostle John) Espitle to the Smyrnaeans ca. 107 AD>They abstain from theEucharistand fromprayer, because they confess not theEucharistto be the flesh of our SaviourJesus Christ, which suffered for oursins, and which theFather, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift ofGod, incur death in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for them to treat it with respect, that they also might rise again. It is fitting, therefore, that you should keep aloof from suchpersons, and not to speak of them either in private or in public, but to give heed to theprophets, and above all, to theGospel, in which the passion [of Christ] has been revealed to us, and the resurrection has been fullyproved. But avoid all divisions, as the beginning ofevils.>See that you all follow thebishop, even asJesus Christdoes theFather, and thepresbyteryas you would theapostles; and reverence thedeacons, as being the institution ofGod. Let no man do anything connected with theChurchwithout thebishop. Let that be deemed a properEucharist, which is [administered] either by thebishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever thebishopshall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, whereverJesus Christis, there is theCatholicChurch. It is not lawful without thebishopeither tobaptizeor to celebrate alove-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing toGod, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.>Moreover, it is in accordance with reason that we should return to soberness [of conduct], and, while yet we have opportunity, exercise repentance towards God. It is well to reverence both God and thebishop. He who honours thebishophas been honoured byGod; he who does anything without theknowledgeof thebishop, does [in reality] serve thedevil.
>>536331748I had a dream about Egyptian cat beings that hunted down humans with weird spears. It ended with me being chased to a giant wall I couldn't climb with the cat being encircling me, I hid in a shed, and could hear them talking in a deep almost robotic yet very biological voice, the only thing I understood was nedjem. I woke up completely naked and sweating so much I had to run a cold shower, when I got out i was still shaken by the vivid nightmare and I went out for a cig, and some cat meowed not far away from my house, and the gut fear and instinct in me instantly made me run inside and lock everything.
>>536336540Jews participating in the French Revolution, which was led and orchestrated by militantly atheistic French freemasons, does not mean it was a religious war. This is like talking to a mental patient at this point.
>>536336575I'm not reading that ill-formated blather. Make your argument in less than 3 bullet points, thanks.
>>536335637This is why the Old Testament Genesis states openly: the world sucks and it's the price to be paid for whatever the apple symbolized. You can work hard to make it a bit better, but it will never be as nice as the place you came from.
>>536336691Take off your memeflag and I will.
>>536336651>Jews participating in the French Revolution, they financed it and held all important positions.so a religiously motivated psyop.>atheistic French freemasonsno such thing, to be a freemason you must believe in a god, thats like one of the main things about them.its a religious cult and a belief in a god is the basis of it.this is also common knowledge which you apparently did knew, which is typical and just confirms my point, religion makes people retarded.
>>536336726Not worth it. There's no common ground anyway.
>>536336725The knowledge of good and evil was not literal knowledge, it was man's ability to define his own concept of morality away from God. A very good parallel would be to think of all of the moral horrors listed off in Judges, and how it ends with the final line of>There was no king in Israel in those days. Every man did what was right in his own eyes.
>>536336811Whatever you say kike/jeet. You people literally can't help but out yourselves at every possible opportunity.
>>536335171>You are failing at your own principles if you do not understand the anthropological basis for religions.Oh, I understand it well. Doesn't at all make any form of religion or god claim true in a factual sense. Fucking theists, dude.Anything else?
>>536336893Have you ever tried praying, or are you too hubristic for that? Stop trying to measure something that operates outside of physical reality with a hylic materialist system and measure it with your own experiential reality. Literally all you have to do is approach God and pray for Him to help you open your heart to Him, and it will happen. You just have to be the one to take the first step, and pleading ignorance is no longer possible for you now.
>>536336592You should subject this to Jungian dream analysis. I was a skeptic until I tried it. It's somewhat self-referential, but that's the point, actually.
>>536337064>Have you ever tried prayinghuge waste of time.why not do something productive instead?>Stop trying to measure something that operates outside of physical reality there is no such thing as a God or Gods, its a made fantasy concept.it aint real.>Literally all you have to do is become a mentally ill low IQ moron like you?why would anyone want this?
>>536336064>Necessarily, there must be an existent outside of Nature, and outside of the Universe, that made nature the way it is.Why? And if it does exist, why would it take the form of something similar to our concept of a god? Even if it did, how could we be sure that's the actual right answer and not just wishful thinking?When we're talking about things that go past the beginning of our universe that we can know anything about, past what the evidence can show us, all possibilities are equally insane and implausible. The idea that the universe has a beginning before which there was nothing at all is just as scary as the idea that the universe goes back forever in multiple forms and you never find a beginning. The infinite and finite eventually intertwine in an area well beyond what a mind adapted to eating berries in a cave can really contemplate.While these questions may be interesting, the idea that we can say we must know what the answer is and that also our assertion of what the answer is also implies a moral system that happens to unfold to our liking is self-serving and vapid to the max. That's not knowledge or wisdom, it is a thin veil for the assertion of imperial power. The basis of Christianity as an institution isn't the Gospels, it's Romans 13. Like many fascist/right leaning thinkers of the late 19th and early 20th century, I've found the Eastern idea of finding "the way," a way to live, much more engaging than Western systems of assertions and rules. Rather than making speculation the basis of our morals, we can base our morals in what we actually see. To loop back around to OP, this is also a strength of heathen religion. The PIE gods in their various forms are much less about what should be and much more about depicting things as they are. Their gods are not paragons of virtue because the real things they represent are not cleanly Good or Bad either. The religions are much less "do this or else" and much more "consider the following."
>>536337163Have you ever tried praying?
>>536337220no I dont waste my time with useless bullshit like this.
>>536335205>The Index Librorum Prohibitorum (Index of Prohibited Books): Throughout the Scientific Revolution, the Church utilized the Index to suppress controversial publications. For example, the philosophical works of René Descartes were placed on the Index because his promotion of deductive reasoning challenged traditional Aristotelian and Thomistic frameworks used by theologians.>Restrictions on Anatomy: In the Middle Ages and early modern period, the Church generally discouraged or banned human dissection and autopsies. This delayed empirical advancements in medicine, as natural philosophers like William Harvey had to challenge ecclesiastical bans to study the human circulatory system directly>Controlling the Universities: In the medieval period, the Church controlled the university systems, the very places where natural philosophy was studied. While this provided foundational support for science, it also meant that scientific hypotheses could not stray into theological territory, keeping natural philosophy deeply subservient to theologyAnd of course >The Galileo Affair (1616–1633): The most famous clash involved Galileo Galilei, who championed heliocentrism (the Earth revolving around the sun). The Church viewed this as contradicting literal scriptural interpretations, such as in the Book of Joshua where the sun stands still. The Inquisition banned Nicolaus Copernicus’s book in 1616 and tried Galileo for heresy, ultimately forcing him to recant and sentencing him to house arrest.
>>536336571My belief is that while there are fundamental biological differences between the races, study has shown time and again that they do not vary enough to require a vertical hierarchy but a lateral one. The smartest black person will be in the top percentiles along with the other races. The strongest white person will again be among the top. It is only the very top of achievement that racial differences become visible. All humans have the same bottom, and a lot of US whites are there between sedentary lifestyles and anti-intellectualism.The only divine meaning I ascribe to being white is that I favor Hellenistic ideas of virtue in my moral compass. Like the best-fitting glove.
>>536337064>Have you ever tried praying, or are you too hubristic for that?Yes. I grew up religious.> Stop trying to measure something that operates outside of physical reality How can you even pretend to know that ANYTHING exists outside of physical reality? How would you prove or measure something that exists outside of nature?
>>536337567>How can you even pretend to know that ANYTHING exists outside of physical reality?They don't know >How would you prove or measure something that exists outside of nature?They can't. It's all personal feelings and opinions. Hence why they have to have faith
>>536336725I came from earth. Its fucken beautiful here when we look after it. I inhabit the universe, its fucken beautiful when we look at it.You say we left the garden, i say we're still enjoying its fruits. Different perspective is all.
>>536337567At some point you decided harming others was bad. So your logical empathy happened because someone harmed you. Logical empathy exists, right?Okay. Now, stay with me here. That's the voice of god for other people, you ignorant jackass. The stuff in your brain exists. Other people don't experience the same flow of information as you.
>>536338301>That's the voice of god for other people, you ignorant jackass.Thays nice. They are welcome to their personal feelings and opinions.
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>>536338477You normally keep pics of men who hurt your feelings?
>>536337281How do you know what the result of it is if you haven't even tried it? Worst case you "lose" not even five minutes of your life (which is oh so horrible as opposed to spending countless hours shitposting on 4chongz apparently?), best case you receive God into your heart. What do you have to lose?
>>536336064>What we do see in nature, though, are patterns, intricate design, and balance, which is compelling evidence of an intelligent Creator.And we also see numerous flaws, which is compelling evidence against an intelligent Creator. Why can women die in childbirth? Why can my appendix randomly decide to kill me? Why do some people develop more teeth than can comfortably fit in their head? Why is back pain a thing? Why is disease in general a thing? And similar such.
>>536338524>gunted tattooed leddit mod trying to educate anyone on matters of morality or faith
>>536338559>How do you know what the result of it is if you haven't even tried it?By observing dipshits like you lol>>536338636>acts like an offended troonAhahaha
>>536338301>At some point you decided harming others was bad. So your logical empathy happened because someone harmed you. Logical empathy exists, right?Yes.>That's the voice of god for other people, you ignorant jackassGood for those other people. I believe they're wrong, though.
>>536338559I'm not mentally ill or deluded like you and dont believe into made up entities.
>>536338631Those aren't flaws against God, they are the direct result of all death entering the world through the fall of man and this is explained in the first book of the bible. The Garden of Eden was our natural and intended state. Death was abolished eternally by Jesus and earthly suffering is meaningless to us in the best way possible because of this. We endure because this world now acts essentially as a necessary crucible of the soul which prepares us for our entry into heaven and reunification with God, and at the hour of our death when our name is called we return to this eternal peace and stillness in the direct presence of God. This life is not even a fraction of a fraction of a blink of an eye in contrast to the eternity that awaits us. This in and of itself negates the weight of suffering here. We also do not universally reject suffering as never being able to possess any form of salvific character whatsoever. Christ is the only God to ever enter into this world to actively participate in this suffering with us (and to a far greater degree than any of us have ever experienced), to see and feel all of our pain and torment as His own, to have known us eternally prior to our own births.
>>536338451Yep. They will continue to do so because nobody wants to live in a world of objectivism. I'm an objectivist too and I would want to hang myself if I was surrounded by people like you. You see the Philosophy of Science and completely ignore the first word of it. It is the hubris of stemlords that makes anti-intellectualism such an easy stance to take.
>>536338811You didn't answer me. What do you actually have to lose by trying? It's a couple minutes of your time. You will either walk away from it further convinced of your convictions and able to use the lack of response to your prayer as further aummunition, or the Holy Spirit will enter into your heart. In either case you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It almost seems to me like you're afraid that I might be right.
>>536336725Gay
>>536338923>they are the direct result of all death entering the worldWhich God knew and allowed. >The Garden of Eden was our natural and intended stateYet God let Satan in knowing what he'd do and what would happen. >>536338930>Yep. They will continue to do soCool. I see no reason to capitulate to a delusion. Same thing I tell trannies too
>>536339064Yes, and what is the problem? The body of all believers on earth is literally called the Church Militant for a reason, we are engaged in active and total war against evil. Let me reframe this for you; what does it actually mean to be human to you? Heroism in the face of evil? Loyalty? Love in spite of flaws? I'm going somewhere with this and it's very important to establish this.
>>536339064I don't believe you for a second when you say you have no delusional beliefs in that head of yours :)
>>536339009>What do you actually have to lose by trying?If it's not that big of a deal to try then it really isn't a big deal not to try
>>536339047Nietzsche wasn't anti- religious and his critique of "Christianity" was directed at German Protestantism. It's basically XIX century shitting on what you would call today "christcucks".
>>536339157>Yes, and what is the problem?God is the source of all the flaws. Simple as
>>536339184>I don't believe you for a secondSounds like a personal problem
>>536339293Now answer the second part. What does it actually mean to be human to you?
>>536338923Great, so God chose to punish all living things, across all of time, including innocent animals and billions of humans who had nothing to do with one (1) woman putting her whore lips on an apple. What a nice way to express His love for us.
>>536339379>give me something to strawman Kek.
>>536337895>I came from earth. Its fucken beautiful here when we look after it.Humans are no longer animals. That's it. We are unable to live in the natural state without tools and artificially created environment. You may behold the beauty of nature but you are no longer the part of it. You can reconnect with it only when your corpse lands in a grave and the coffin decomposes.
>>536331748oh look, another anti-christian threadthe pagans call their own gods demons- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimonseveral of which are trannies- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphroditusand claim they rape them- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mythological_rape_victims
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>>536339685>>536339722Oh look it's the tranny Tsani
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>>536332557christian whites have always been superior to anti-christian whites
>>536339452It's not a strawman, it's a very basic question. What does it mean to be human to you personally?>>536339429Original sin isn't punishment, it was our self-inflicted loss of original grace. Again, you believe this suffering is much more profound than it actually is because you criticize God while completely ignoring just how fleeting and transient this suffering is compared to eternity. If you were given the option of suffering on a military campaign against evil for a maximum of like 90ish years, and in exchange you will receive eternal youth for yourself and all of your loved ones, and eternal peace, and essentially anything you could possibly ever want with suffering gone forever, would you not take this offer?I'd also like to ask you the same question:>What does it mean to be human to you?
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>>536332953christianity is not "abrahamic">"Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then [the jews] took up stones to [kill] Him [...]"- John 8:58-59nor is islam, by the waythe claim that "arabs come from ishmael" is not only non-biblicalit would not even be relevant, as arabs do not see themselves as a chosen race "from the seed of abraham" as the kikes do >"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ."- Galatians 3:16you have a kike's reading of the bible
>>536339272Yeah because orthodogs and catholics aren't about the sense denial
>>536333127jeet
>>536339429I have debilitating back pain for the record. My body was destroyed in an accident through no fault of my own, by someone else's negligence. Even medicated, I'm in an amount of pain and fatigue 24/7/365 that would floor you if you experienced it for two seconds. It did make me resent God for a time yes, to a great degree, but I understand it now. My suffering has drawn me closer to God and peace, not further away.
>>536333232>was jesus a jew see >>536338672
>>536339429If I had to come up with my own interpretation of the myth, I would say it's simply the price of having a biological body in the material world.
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The Christian God is the one and only God who created all things. Though He manifests in 3 forms, His will remains exactly aligned.Polytheism is errant, if your false gods can’t even get along with each other, have competing interests and wills, feud with each other like it’s a soap opera, then they certainly didn’t create the universe, life, and all things. Not to mention all the pagan myths exclusive to their own cultures of origin all contradict each other.
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>>536335885there have always been bad popes, they are sinners like everyone else there's been plenty of shitty popes over the last 2,000+ years - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw6ckKvKE0k- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_DvxOmt8wc- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJrU2elm_n4the catholic church isn't The Mystical Body of The Popebut The Mystical Body of Christfrom papal letters to crusaders:>"the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God">"that such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith">"destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends">"Oh, race of Franks, race from across the mountains, race chosen and beloved"- https://www2.cbn.com/article/church/pope-urban-iis-speech-calling-first-crusade
>>536336207we do not worship jews
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>>536339764bearing false witness>kikes see >>536339397
>>536339918it's good when people struggle against and repenting of their sins
>>536339843>If you were given the optionBut I wasn't given an option. Nobody consented to being born. I was thrust into this pain-for-reward system because someone thousands of years ago made one decision, and God decided to make that my problem, too. I don't consider torture morally fine just because I can sufficiently compensate my victim later. >What does it mean to be human to you?Uhh, that's not something I had to think about before. Being human doesn't mean anything inherently to me. What I make of my life is simply my own project. Why?
>>536337210If something whose parts are all contingent, meaning they were all caused by something, the necessarily the sum of those parts must also be contingent. If the sun of those parts are contingent, then there must be something else that caused it. To break the chain of infinite regress, and to fasten that chain onto something solid so it does not fall, there must be a Necessary Existent that must always have existed and always will exist to ground contingent reality. If you accept this, we can go on to your other questions, if you're still monitoring the thread that is
>>536340122>Demiurgein bulgaria, the gnostics were known as bogomilsthey were expelled, because they mocked the god of the physical world, by having gay sexin france they were known as the cathars, and were crusaded againstin england, they were the origin of the term buggery / sodomy, in reference to their bulgarian roots trinity in the Old Testament - https://youtu.be/odNoExd8a5U- https://youtu.be/rp92-3aBL-A- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CBh8lmgecs
>>536339570That hawk using fire to scare out animals?Not nature anymore.That monkey using a stick?Not nature.Do you actually think about what you say before saying it?
>>536340385You worship a three-person jewish god and love your enemies (jews)
>>536339843>It's not a strawmanNot yet. >What does it mean to be human to you personally?It's personal ;^)
>>536340426Kill yourself Tsani
>>536340046Nope, evolution selected for tribalism
>>536340588>bearing false witness
>>536340754See skoptsy in Russia.Gnosticism is always a slippery slope towards self- mutilation and fucked up death cults.
>>536340659This nigga just confirmed that he's the bulgarian troon lol
>>536340684I don't mean what you "do" with your life, I mean what you /are/ as a human. What defines the human spirit? Not biologically, spiritually and morally. Again, is it heroism against evil, love, loyalty, what is it?
>>536340876Even your 20 IQ abbos had to use caveman tech to survive
>>536341097So no you dont think. Everyone fucking did you numbskull. Your ancestors in the frozen tundra? Tools.Our entire continent has been shaped by fire, we literally have animals utilizing it as a tool outside of humans.You say its not natural, I say it is. You cant handle the different perspective, thats fine. I dont worship death cults.
>>536341511Hey, whatever floats your boat.
>>536341044>What defines the human spirit?Sapience, I suppose? We're aware of our existence enough to ask these types of questions, which is something no other living being can do. On a moral level, I mostly work off a utilitarianist perspective as that the most moral thing a person can do is strive to minimize suffering and to maximize happiness.
>>536341745Your life is your own. But it doesnt stop the flow of time.Remember - your boat is floating.
>>536340659You sure do struggle too
>>536342127Maybe, maybe that was "gods" plan.Who knows? :)
>>536341651So you recognize that to be human means things like heroism against evil, loving others in spite of their flaws, remaining unyieldingly loyal to our loved ones, caring for others, conquering our animalistic passions and vices, striving to be the best versions of ourselves, striving toward /something/?
>>536342885Why did you even ask me what being human means to me if you're just going to inject your own answer anyway? Just state your point directly, don't play these dumb rhetoric games.
>>536341924He just basically confirmed his troon phase lol
>>536342885>remaining unyieldingly loyal to our loved onesHow do you reconcile that with Jesus telling you to abandon your family for him?
>>536340588>Bearing false witness
>>536343453Lol, indeed
>>536343423I'm making a presumption based on what you describe. You're being vague and saying "it's about maximizing happiness and minimizing suffering" without actually saying what that entails. Is what I said correct, or no? And if not, then what is it? It's a basic question and I'm asking for a very particular reason, because it's a necessary framework in order for me to make a point for you.
Exoteric christians aren’t monotheistic, they split their ineffable god into three.
>>536343726>in order for me to make a point for you.You don't have one or you would've made it already
Gaia and Sol are my gods. They provide me and my people with all that we need.
>>536344074My point is that the vast majority of what defines the human spirit, what makes us /us/, would be either completely impossible or have its actual substantial meaning and profundity radically reduced if the fall of man hadn't happened and we were not able to choose to be good or evil.
>>536343726>Is what I said correct, or no?In a vacuum, sure, everything you described sounds great. But it's never that clean or simple in reality. What happens when caring for someone is actually detrimental to them, for example spoiling your children? Yes, utilitarianism is a pretty vague goal to strive toward, but that's because morality is case-by-case, and happiness is a direction to base your decisions on. No one action is correct every single time.
>>536344447It's not about particulars, just about the general human spirit broadly. What would loyalty be worth if you couldn't choose to be disloyal? What would love be worth if you were forced to love? What would caring for others be worth if they didn't need care? What would self-sacrifice be worth if it wasn't even possible? What would truth matter if you couldn't choose to lie?
>>536344351>would be either completely impossible or have its actual substantial meaningI don't accept that dichotomy. Because it's obviously possible as by our existence and meaning comes from within. >>536344351>if the fall of man hadn't happenedNo such thing. Man has always been dualistic, capable of both good and evil
>>536344639What???? Obviously a world where nobody needs care would be better than one where they do. People shouldn't have to suffer just so they can be saved.
>>536341044>What defines the human spirit?Why are you presupposing that something like a "human spirit" exists in the first place?
>>536345067You're arguing about two completely different things. I'm telling you the Christian point of view that nothing that next to nothing that makes us what we are would have been possible without the fall of man. If I zombified you and made you worship me it wouldn't be love. If it were impossible to hurt you, someone fighting to protect you would be impossible and meaningless. The suffering that exists in this world is evil, but it is also a crucible of the soul which develops us, and allows us to grow in righteousness and nearness to God, and at times possesses profound salvific character.
>>536345295>I'm telling you the Christian point of view that nothing that next to nothing that makes us what we are would have been possible without the fall of man.Nah, change over time is simple enough to do such a thing.
>>536345490>change over timeOr even more simply, just time.
>>536345295>If I zombified you and made you worship me it wouldn't be love.If God defines what love means, then he could simply define zombie worship as love, and it would be true because He said so.
