Thoughts on UBI?
>>536334692Money and markets are a made up clown show nowadays and have nothing to do with reality anymore. Only sadist billionaires and retard boomers are against UBI cuz "muh work ethic".
>>536334692Theres only bullshit arguments against it. One's predicated on the presumption that nothing has changed since the industrial revolution. Effectively there's enough gov subsidies to provide basic care of its citizens, if we stopped mass importing JEETS and AFRICANS and verious other BROWNS. White europeans (including russians) as well as Japanese, should be allowed to lawfully gain citizenship in the USA. If China gets along, maybe we'd include some too.
>>536334692there wont be ubi, only bi at best, be good goy or else
>>536334692>>536334815>>536335076I was pro-UBI until I saw the aftermath of the COVID lockdowns. Having a massive unemployed segment of the population is a bad idea. People need something to do with their lives or they will go insane and start burning shit down. What we actually need is a universal jobs program. Pay people $20/hr to dig holes in the ground or something.
>>536334692look at him go!
>>536335444Checked.Back during/after the depression the government created the WPA to directly create jobs for people.>The Works Progress Administration (WPA) was the largest and most prominent 1930s government jobs program, employing 8.5 million people between 1935 and 1943 to build public infrastructure and fund arts projectsWe need something like that.
>>536335444Thats ridiculous. There ARE things to be learned from lockdowns, in relation to UBI, but the BLM mob and no one working is ridiculous. BLM is and was a psyop. We know this. Not tinfoil hat. Theres also massive differences between sudden changes to a population vs gradual. We know this too from literally every natural science study on groups or populations. Another big difference, is people being FORCED to not work vs being allowed to choose to not work and still have their basic health, home, food/water taken care of. This too is demonstrable in literally any family with means enough to provide for family members who cant work. Even with enough family resources, ones capable of working will still choose to work somewhere, because natural tendencies are to want to have more or to be better or just have meaning. What happens when people HAVE to work to meet a basic living standard, is they do slave labor, they get desperate, they steal, they commit crimes, etc. No im not excusing criminality for "socio-economics" just saying when you squeeze a tube the first ready to come out, comes out.
Average people won't pay taxes because they won't have jobs, but income tax and payroll tax are far and away the largest current sources of government incomeCorporations don't pay taxes and that won't changeBillionaires don't pay taxes and that won't changeSocial welfare is the first thing cut in government budgets during shortfallsThere is no scenario in which UBI can be implemented from a fiscal perspective.
>>536334692It's just like communism, it can't work because it's just not in human nature.
>>536334692isnt that what ebt basically already is?
nothing is made up about its bullshit thowe already have ubi and it is called welfareanyone can apply but too many get denied you can see in real time who exactly utilizes welfare and you cant lie about the undesirables on it, who refuse to get off and do something anything ubi will be a control tool for billionaires and their pet governments
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>>536335444I tend to agree. And having a federal jobs guarantee program is something MMT advocates have been at the forefront for a very long time with.Basically the worry is that if you pay people to not do anything, you run the risk of things that still need people involved not actually getting done. So if there isn't any stuff, it doesn't matter if everyone has money. Money is only a tool to organize actual stuff.
>>536336676FJG is closer to communism than UBI btw
>>536336646A bunch of dead people and a retard who rents spyware-infested cars to other retards believed in it?Really?
>>536334692based and the only way to stop the riots if ai takes everyone's job.
>>536336790I don't necessarily disagree. And you can see some of that drift when some of the MMT scholars talk about maybe having people in the jobs program help with building housing and could theoretically receive in-kind payments (such as an apartment or house they helped build) as part of their compensation package to keep the amount of created money lower.
>>536335444>>536336391This.It's not "Muh work ethic." It's about keeping idle hands busy. And getting an ROI on the money spent on people in the form of public works.
>>536334692>>536334815You are going into supermarket and get wrong impression, people wake up early and do the dirty work to produce the food, transport it, stock the shelves.... There is still "A TON" of human work necessary. UBI might be doable when you have millions of autonomous robots that can do the tiresome work instead which is still open question, you need way way more electric energy for the robots, is this feasible ? Is there enough ressources to build&maintain hundreds of millions of robots? The current electric grid is on the limit already...you need to invest billions into infrastructure and it probably decades. I would say you have to wait another 50-70 years...
>>536334692It would cost less to pay people a living wage
>>536334692One of the stupidest concepts ever proposed. Best option would just be no tax on income before you warn 40k a year, then 18% fixed tax rate after on all purchases, all other taxes abolished.
