Companies don't want customers, employees, or to provide services anymore, so what do they want?>If they wanted customers, they would provide a product or service competitively or of high quality, but enshittification proves this model is not what they are doing. >If they wanted employees, they would hire more and stop doing layoffs.>Again, they seemingly dont want to offer goods or services.So I have to wonder what the point of the majority of companies today is? There is no point to them existing except for them either offering financialization or secretly being data collection firms. But, why aren't we pressuring businesses who dont benefit anyone?
>Companies don't want customersWhy is everything on this board so fucking retarded? Why is literally everything you people unforgivably dumb and wrong on a level which couldnt possibly be unintentional?
>>536361252Let me ask you what businesses are doing to attract customers? I haven't seen it.
>>536361314Shut up, you fucking retard. Just go die somewhere. Like a dog. Wander off by yourself, and lay down somewhere private and just fucking die. You are utterly worthless, especially for the fact that you're unironically sitting there trying to double down on "le companies dont want customers". Just go fuck off. Just go fucking die along with every other dumb mother fucking internet prick like you.
>>536361064It's likely they don't even know what they're doing anymore. They just know the line must go up but other than that they're likely fully disconnected from reality
>>536361252>>536361314Behavior from businesses is actually showing they want less customer interaction with stricter loitering laws, shorter business hours at banks, harder to navigate services.
>>536361415Im not the only one who has observed this.
>>536361064My question really, is, what benefit do businesses provide in this time period, and if they do more damage than benefit, why are we so lenient towards them?
So many businesses have no one at the counter, no one to greet you, no one to help you, no acknowledgement that you are a customer standing there wanting service
>>536361252If companies are charging 15 bucks for a meal that's worth 7 bucks then they're not going to get business from 90% of people
>>536361809This supports my theory that they consider customers a liability now. They are making money outside of their business operations, and are doing the bare minimum to keep physical locations open. Knowing that they see us this way, why aren't we doing more?
>>536361874>>536361543>>536361441Why are you disgusting, inhuman, fascist, satanic fucks even posting replies to me, trying to tell me "companies dont want customers". You have no fucking way to forgive yourself. Its just the most blatant level of inexcusable bullshit. No way you really even believe your posts. You must be paid to push some bullshit agenda with this talking point. And no matter how dumb it obviously is, you will just relentlessly double down.
>>536362122>UMMMMMMMM SWEATIE IT'S VERY ANTISEMITIC TO SAY THAT 5GUYS CHARGES TOO MUCH FOR BURGERS YOU FUCKING SATANISTS WHO WANT FOOD THAT IS EITHER PROPERLY COSTED OR YOU'LL JUST STAY HOME YOU ARE LITERALLY LETTING THE TRANNIES WIN YOU KNOW
And I understand the chess behind the point you are pushing. I understand precisely the way you are trying to mind fuck people in order to protect this system. But its far too complicated to explain to normalgroids.
>>536361809it's just fatiguewhen you walk into a Taco Bell or whatever the people working there hate their lives and do not want to interact with you, their deepest wish is for zero customers to show up so they can just get paid to do nothing and then go homethe last 20 customers the interacted with were rude, didn't care that the business is short-staffed or whatever, asked for ridiculous special-attention or service while there's 20 other people who have been waiting angrily for their orders too the whole timenow which one of the zoomers getting paid $10 an hour do you think is going to choose to go up to the counter and smile and say "hi, how can I help you today sir?"not a goddamn one of themThis isn't your fault as a customer, but it is why it's happening.
>>536361064Look if I saw that in one of the backrooms I'd be relieved.
>>536362122Can I ask, why are all companies from big corporations like pepsico and mcdonalds, down to small businesses like bricks and minfigs all making bad business decisions recently? Is it because all of them lost all ability to make decisions, or is there an incentive behind it? I think its controlled.
>>536361064Killing people
>>536361064Customers aren't their real customers. Their real customer is some big tech system that then goes and finds customers through the app or SEO or shilling campaigns etc. The next phase for everything is that prices go way up, but you get a discount when you use the app, and you can get more discounts if you remain involved in the social media horizontal marketing campaigns, and when the algorithm detects you might not have enough money to maintain your purchasing habit or subscription you'll 'randomly' get some kind of extra discount.
>>536362311>>536362228How many people do you professional idiots believe you are really going to manage to fool into believing a polarly untrue statement as "companies dont want customers"? How many? 12?
>>536362326Explain.
>>536361064Shareholder value and approval, that's what they want. Is this not obvious to people?
How long will these ghost companies float around, simply existing for their shares? Can it be indefinitely?
>>536362446No because it basically means (for most people) that their job is pointless and they’re doing nothing more than helping to prop up the status quo. People that spend 20 years doing something with their ego heavily invested in the idea that they’re being responsible don’t want to hear that at all.
>>536361252>>536361415>>536362122You occasionally get a poster like this who just starts swinging at everybody. Whatever he's here for, it's not discussion.
>>536362418The "enshittification" has been going on for a while, likely since around the end of the Gold Standard for you Americans(therefore you peaked around 1970). The new problem is no more hiring, not even most immigrants. Clearly automation is competing with the Kalergi Plan for creating a Negroid-Asiatic slave race of the future. All those immigrants and protected groups will be left for themselves, similar to how whites were treated by the system until now(read: antagonised and ignored). Anybody who is not rich can be seen as under threat of extinction, the elites see the world as overpopulated. Only if a counterbalance is presented will the standard be maintained, especially for those who present the counterbalance, anyone else has no leverage at the individual level. You can ignore all these presented factors I just gave you and conclude that democracy as it is right now is unsustainable, voting rights will do this system in. One needs unequal voting at the very least.
mcD is a bad example. i still see cars lined up in the drive-thru, and people inside, when i check out what's going on at my local mcD. they know ppl will still buy at their current level of quality. it's more about convenience, and addiction to slop, laziness.same goes for movies. if they lost a ton of customers they could also commit fraud by lying about their stats.chipotle declined in value and quality, with their stock also declining after hitting ATH. so less customers does have an effect. but the top owners already cashed out. so what you have are the most indifferent, sadistic basterds runnin the show still. hard to find good quality these days, and if you do there's a huge line like portos bakery in CA, or innout during peak hours. both are private co. by the way and family owned.
>>536361064McDonald's is too big to fail and must be bailed out alongside Wall Street.
>>536361441>ID:McL0I(te)R
>>536361064Why do zoomies pretend like companies only just discovered they can cut corners and cut costs in their product in like 2016?
>>536363847Problem is the companies have cut so many corners they've turned the square into a circle. And like it just doesn't make sense anymore.
yet another retard that doesn't understand how corporations work at all
>>536361064It feels like that on the surface. But look around and you'll see all the feminized single women and immigrants dont think and just buy the shit anyway. The lines are still rotating day after day. It's just that the more aware refined crowd has stepped back.
>>536361064don't worry. if AI actually improves and becomes what we want it to be, the entire theory of capitalism (and thus companies) will be called into question because people will no longer need to sell their labor for money.
Part of it is that minmaxing algorithms have gotten better in the era of modern computers. Companies of the past left money 'on the table' by providing more service and higher-quality products than was necessary to actually get the customer's money.Those inefficiencies are gradually being removed from the economy. Also via mergers (larger corporations tend to prioritize efficiency more than smaller operations which might not know how to minmax properly, or which rely more on inefficient personal customer relationships) and the rise of private equity (PE firms impose efficiency tests way more aggressively than companies of the past).Basically, customers were living in an artificial and unsustainable business environment, but that environment is being reshaped through technology.
>>536363981No you were just younger and happier in 2016
>>536363847It's an ongoing process. Every generation since the beginning of civilization learns it and usually they're able to organize to ensure that competition or regulation keeps them somewhat honest. Zoomers inherited a situation where the previous generation wasn't able to organize to get this, and zoomers are even less likely to be able to organize. Previously some markets would have this organization and some would fail to organize, and over time the ones that did organize would outcompete the ones where the wealthy elites always got their way. We've had a true global market for a couple of generations, so there is no comparison or competition that can allow this kind of process, the wealthy elite will just keep winning until the whole system becomes completely sclerotic and demented.
>>536364337Zoomers cry that Netflix costs $18 and has 5 minutes of ads to watch whatever they want whenever they want.They are too young to have experienced what anything was like before them, and they don't care to learn. They just cry and act like they have it so bad they don't know any different.They're not a serious people
>>536361314>>536361064>>536364045>>536364320Sam Hyde actually explained this really well in one of his videos. The purpose of the corporation is not to sell product but to alter the mind of the public. That’s why McDonald’s is the grossest cheeseburger and formed chicken slime product you could buy, they do not exist for you to buy but to effect the psyche of America, to basically turn you into a retard and keep you being retarded. The fact that a McDonald’s exist just a block from your house or apartment is meant to damage your mind and soul, and your body if you so choose to walk in and make an order
>>536361064they want your moneyif they could steal it, they wouldfailing that, they'll do the minimum necessary to get your money
>>536361064Companies want MONEYBestWithout any products and minimal employees Sole goal why you create Company is Money!!!There is no other goal!!!
>>536364491With Netflix and many other digital services they're paying for an awful lot of stuff that could easily be free, or so close to free as to make no difference, and they are smart enough to sense that. Any kind of competition or regulation made by an organization that represented the general public, the average customer, would bring prices down to a level that reflected the cost of the product, rather than keep bringing it up to a level that only reflects how tightly monopolized the market has become. And by 'free' I also mean 'they do not need to sell your data to provide it'. That part is entirely optional and only exists because there is no real market in and no real oversight of big tech.
>>536361252>>536361415lol what a pissy little reddit faggot. i can tell you are a total turbo incel LOL
>>536361415Companies don't want consumers. They want money.If they can get it without having consumers and employing people (which at certain level, in certain circumstances they can) then they're obviously gonna do that.You too wouldn't work if you could make as much money as you do now but without working.
>>536362662As long as you'll keep electing people that enable this.
good thread OPbump
>>536364491I used to watch Crunchyroll and Youtube when it was only a couple minutes of ads per half hour of content FOR FREE.>>536364610I have more respect for niggers selling plates on facebook made from ingredients they bought with SNAP.
Companies are committing psychological warfare on the general public and no one gives a fuck. I actually am worried their main demographic now is recent immigrants with huge amounts of credit who don't know how to vet quality.
>>536361064They want the stock to go up the most with the least input they can get away with. MBAs are min/maxing faggots
>>536361064They are all LOADED with cash. They don't have to give a shit.
>>536361655Because you vote for capitalists (their representants).Capitalism is a system that favors capitalists - capital owners - it's in the name.Not hard work, not entrepreneurship, not innovation.It favors owning capital - i.e. if you're already rich, the system does everything in its power to make you even richer at the cost of everything else.You voted (and keep voting) for this.
>>536365414What's going to happen?
>>536365414>MBAs are min/maxing faggotsThey're legally obligated to do this.
>>536365571The quality of life gets worse until the line stops going up, then our lives get much, much worse.Support private companies that still care about their product and reputation like >>536363215 said
They want your data because with your data they can predict when you want it. What you want and when you want and what price to sell it to you at that point. It's eliminating marketing/beancounting for maximum profits if they take this data and use it to sell products. Even worse they look for patronage because patrons are easier to abuse and take the hit when.Not only does this allow you to control the quantity of your product but also the quality. Why give non patrons the same product when you can give them a lesser one? They'll never like it anyway, at least according to AI.
>>536365761Then I see the only option from the side of the public is to poison the datasets.
>>536361428it's unironically 100% this. idiocracy is playing out on a large scale and teh effects of putting dumbasses in high positions is starting to show.
>>536361415Take a mydol
>>536363215the new in n out that opened frankly makes me no longer crave in n out. and I've been eating them my whole life. they fucked this location up somehow. now i know why people say they aren't that great, this new location sucks. thanks for the tip on portos I'll check them out next time I'm in the area
>>536364320>or which rely more on inefficient personal customer relationships)Probably nothing more damning to modern business than that this would be considered an accurate and good statement, when in the past, having a good relationship with your customers was the whole point of business.
>this one schizo calling people satanists for thinking fastfood prices are too high relative to what they're servingLmao
>>536365990Pepsico literally put the price of doritos so high that they dropped sales by 90% since Covid. Everyone in their distribution chain told them they needed to lower prices, but they just...didn't. It was weird as fuck.
>>536361064> If they want customers...No, what matters is consistency. The world is big enough for a variety of tastes, but what made McDonalds king of the castle was their intentional decision to guarantee that the Big Mac you order on the other side of the world tastes exactly the same as the one you get at home. Consistency = dependability = knowing what you're paying for> eshitification What restaurant companies want is consistent recurring sales and profit. Like a family budget, you can plan for the future when you know how much income you can expect for a given period> would hire moreBut the increase in labor costs is what's causing the layoff. In the burger business for example, you get a certain about of dollars for labor, based on your expected net sales. Those fixed dollars can be spread out among more employees at a lower rate, or fewer employees at a higher rate. But forcing wage increases (via minimum wage increases), doesn't magically create the dollars to afford it, so it always results in fewer hours.
>>536365911You cannot poison data you don't even provide. things like face scans/phone tracking/habits/ you can poison some of it but an AI would be able to distinguish that with habits recorded over years.
why can't they convert mega churches or abandoned malls and amusement parks for data centers
>>536364491Boomer post. Which is hilarious since boomers knew less hardship than anyone they point these posts at.>Well my TV wasn't as good in the house that I bought on a blue collar wage with a stay at home wife in the 80% White country I lived in
>>536361064>So I have to wonder what the point of the majority of companies today is?What it has always been, in fact, what the leaders are legally mandated to do via their fiduciary duty: Maximize profits to the shareholders. As another anon stated, If they can do this with no employees or customers, they will. Blame Dodge v Ford(look it up)_
>>536361441They can't officially ban niggers, so they use stupid Jewish workarounds that make things worse for everyone. >Make dining rooms unwelcoming so niggers won't hang around >Shorter lobby hours means less opportunity for niggers to come try to rob>Labyrinthine ordering processes that require an 80+ IQ to navigate will gatekeep niggersWe could be back in a high trust society TOMORROW, but we'd have to forsake our American gods. So we just sacrifice ever more of the quality of life and services, lest we incur their wrath.
>>536361064Financial speculation.This is your economy on judaism.
>>536365761They think they know things they don't actually know. >I got away with acting like more of an asshole today, that means I can do it forever with perfect stability, and be even more of an asshole tomorrow
>>536361252kek look at this seething migger
>>536361252stop persecuting an entire board for one hilarious take you rerarded bitch
>>536361415they literally dont want customersthey make everything as uncomfortable as possible
>>536365761All comments are related to the topic, but only as far as the RESTAURANT INDUSTRY is concerned>>536365761Not really The burger shop isn't trying to predict what and when you buy the product. There won't be someone at the store saying "the computer says anon will want a burger, better throw one on the grill". Instead, the 'data' (memberships/reward programs) is about creating customers who will shop more often. Yes, their usage patterns will be used to determine which products are selling, but that will be a chain-wide thing, not an individual-customer thing.>>536366550I disagree. The highest grossing sales always come out of the majority-minority locations. But it requires planning ahead of time. A good example would be the old Rally's chain, which had a building designed like a bank vault, with security baked in
>>536361064nameless faceless negotiable instruments agents and principals could give a flying fuck what you think or doyou're just mindless slavecow drone ripe for tortureenjoy the prison planet fucking ham
>>536361064They want investors, free money for providing nothing but lies and with a bit of luck sell it off to the next idiot.
>>536362412lot of schizo bable on every post and no point is made but rage are you a fucking bot?
>>536366925Perhaps I didn't phrase it right. Companies still want niggers' money, they want everyone's money. And of course dumber people are easier to hypnotize into giving you money. But nobody wants to spend a millisecond more than necessary with niggers hanging about, not the staff, not the other paying customers, not even the niggers themselves. Rally's designed themselves for surviving darkest Africa, and you'll notice it's nowhere near the household name McDonald's is. Really, they're both the same inedible trash, but when you think of Rally's you think of a ghetto, and when you think of McDicks you think of a pasty clown. One is charming and kid friendly, and that's where Dad is driving us for lunch.
>>536366925well in terms of "chains" yeah, they would take multiple peoples data and spending habits and adjust it as average. Also if the "individualized price" dystopia becomes a thing it definitely will be tailored on an individual basis. I have no doubt amazon already does this, it would be simple for any company that doesn't have a retail store.
>>536367236The funny thing is, banks will trip over themselves willing to offer loans to them, but not to help anyone secure funding for real projects.
Juicing equity value All of the cash liquidity in our economy is credit. The only thing that determines how good or bad you live is your equity value.
>>536364265thats absurd you think they will magically distribute resourcesto all people
>>536362230>normalgroidsjuden
>>536364265that destroys communism and socialism because LLM's will create a far right singularity
>>536367444They are shareholders and will help push the lie if they get a return on investment.They don't want real projects they want short sharp scams.
Global reach brothers >be el shithouse burrito brothers>grow fat with profits from supplying your market delicious shit burritos >move to new markets >cant provide same quality of shit but profits still going up cause of larger reach>go global >now reach is so large that quality doesnt even matter >people buying low quality shit filled shit by the millions >the lowest tier of customer keeps the line going up no matter what happens The only solution is to stop buying the shit burritos anon and buy some ingredients
>>536361064Enshitification occurs when they try to cater to larger and larger audiences. Take gaming - the only reason 2012 is thought of as peak gaming (in general this seems to be a popular year) is because it is when the needle was pushed far enough that games were not total shit (they were, but not as bad as now) and looking back NPCs think that this point in time was great. In relaity we had at least a decade of watering down to appeal to larger audiences. The people who claim 2012 was peak are literally the main part of the bell curve of retard consumers. Games now no longer cater to them but cater to the larger group of retards (however we have surely passed the point where this is profitable).Games went shit long before they started trying to shoehorn trannies into them, via gameplay, in order to get more retards playing them.Quake -> CSWC3 -> MOBAsand so on. These are worse games but more understandable for retards.
>>536364547>fast food is… le poison!Wow he’s a big brain.
>>536361064its because ownersnot bosses, not workersownersthey need to justify themselveswhich is why its extremely (((bad))) for public utiliteseverything must be privatized, so it can be owned by ownersnot the publicnot you
>>536362122lol faggot
>>536361252>Why is everything on this board so fucking retarded? Why is literally everything you people unforgivably dumb and wrong on a level which couldnt possibly be unintentional?
>>536362662You just wanted to share pictures of a liminal space McDonalds didn't you?
Turns out rage baiting customers is cheaper and lasts longer
>>536368416>Enshitification occurs when they try to cater to larger and larger audiences.Enshittification occurs when your company goes global and you're selling as much product as you're ever going to. Take McDonald's: if they convince every person on Earth to eat big macs every day, for every meal, that's like 25,000,000,000 hamburgers a day. That's it, that's the most you're ever going to sell (realistically a lot less, but whatever). Well you've achieved massive profits, good for you, but the line still has to go up next year. You can't sell more, so there's only two ways of making more money: >Increase price of productYou can get away with a minor increase every once in a while, but people are actually pretty sensitive to shit costing more. They'll get their hamburger elsewhere, or just make one themselves.>Decrease cost of productionHerein lies enshittification. You make your product out of inferior materials, or to inferior specifications, and you reduce your workforce while forcing the remainder to work harder without adequate compensation.And you gotta keep doubling down on enshittification, because God forbid your net profits go down, or even stay the same, because investors gotta keep up with inflation. They don't want their $250 stock to stay $250 year after year, they wanna see growth, or they'll sell their shares and take their money to the next company.
>>536361252>Why is everything on this board so fucking retarded?jeets and spics replaced the white millennial nerds
>>536366137I call it the nintendo death grip: have 5 dollar micro product, mark it as 60 dollars, rerelease it every decade for the same price, never release a bundle, never release a port, never expand any features or multiplayer or anything, never enterprise. just keep selling the same overpriced stuff that has bled all over public domain because it's "family friendly" then cry a dead IP is in the public domain.you could have sold a bazillion more copies, if you'd cut the gacha crap and bring the price down. such is the result of your sub 15 dollar stock chart.
>>536362412It is ok, we are all on the spectrum here fren>Businesses don't want customersIt's true really, they want consumers.U c... Customers are annoying with their budgets, strategic plans, and bosses who aren't the seller.Managers with C titles indoctrinated in MBA cult of the spreadsheet "work" to "optimize" the business profitability. I jest, but for some of these midwits to varying degress it holds: they want the profit but without the building, employees, equipment, products, or customers.
>>536361064>So I have to wonder what the point of the majority of companies today is?It's to satisfy the desires of the federal reserve and their immediate sucklings
>>536361252It's called mutt brain
>>536361064Fr this is just like the backrooms i can't believe boomers actually saw shit like this
>>536361415Bro chill. It's not that serious.
>>5363690742020 was the first year I bought a desktop that cost more than the previous and was a lesser computer.Shredded the drive and returned that bitch.
