Hello everyone. I have personally come to the conclusion that the EU should centralize it into a superstate. I know that it will have it's flaws but overall it is the only way for Europe to have a future. Here are some parts of my reasonins:Europe at the moment is a bunch of petty "national" states, which in reality are a set of pawns for either the US or Russia much like in the Cold War. There is nothing unnatural about this: small nations are always dependent and subservient to major powers to one degree or another. Some kind of EU superstate would have more of an incentive because its "core" would be nearer than Moscow or Washington.I think one legit criticism of the EU is the tendency towards authoritarianism. But as European citizens we could have a direct way to influence things, much more so than as citizens of petty minor realms. I also think we would get EU authoritarianism regardless of a superstate or not.There is also the fact that Europe cannot defend itself seriously without a superstate. So far Europe has been under the US security guarantees which has prevented any major wars happening inside the EU. But that was never going to be permanent for the simple reason that the US is separated from Europe by an ocean and because Europe is not critical to the US.What do you think? I am interested in hearing other perspectives and opinions.
>>536382661I dont care. Fine, as long as I get better life and pay less tax.
>>536382661superstate requires incredibly competent leaders to hold together and not fall apart, ur current cucks can't live a day wihout shitting themselves in public
>>536382661The main problem is that the pro-European right is basically non-existent.
>>536382750Like Putin or Trump? Lol, we can find people of those caliber easy. We just make OP the emperor. Fixed. Now everyone is busy learning Finish.
>>536382809I dont know why though. It would seem kinda complimentary, those 2 things. Being right and strong europe.
4th Reich?You can try,I would like to see how quickly Europe would come to the realization that it would be more beneficial for them to end the war in Ukraine as quickly as possible, eliminate all useless social and political institutions of gender equality, and cooperate with Russia to ensure the economic stability and national security of Eurasia.But it won't happen. Because of Jews.American,Russian and Israeli.
>>536382661The EU is based on the values of the Talmud
>>536382809>>536382872I think some right-wing parties have become less eurosceptic? Le Pen wanted France to leave the EU but I don't think she does anymore. And Meloni in Italy is not proposing that Italy should leave the EU.
You cannot have democracy without a demos.Besides, Europe is demographically done for.
>>536382750I agree that our current crop of leaders are deeply flawed but I also think that a kind of "circulation" of elites would be inevitable. A new generation of European superstate leaders would have to be taught to be Europeans governing a superstate rather than as bureaucrats.>>536382809You are completely right. But I think that European unification would eventually force a pro-European right into existence because of the reality on the ground. But yes the naive and misguided ideas about leaving the EU and being "independent" are too prominent in my opinion.
You’re not wrong but all the European countries have ever done is fight each other don’t think you’re all capable of getting along. Also your continent barely believes in individual rights and a superstate would most likely go further towards autocracy (you’re very spot on about that tendency OP). Further you have too many cucks. If the EU was capable of making bold plays like taking advantage of the chaos in Iran to solve the Russian problem maybe you’d have the balls to survive as a superstate.I think there would have to be a massive cultural shift towards individual rights before it could work. It would solve the infighting a bit by making it more about your personal freedom rather than some small country grudges. I also think it would be necessary to prevent it from being an authoritarian state.
>>536383059The demos of Europe is Europeans
>>536383004Most of them profit from not solving immigration at EU-level so they can cry about it at nation-level and say that nothing ever gets solved.Also, AfD is still going full Russia.
>>536382661No, fuck offThe EU Was founded to create a fucking ethno-state based on 'Europe' and destroy every fucking culture possible
The EU is, by design, full of mentally ill women, sodomite pedophiles, 60-80IQ non-Europeans. It's ruled by jews and their best goyim who gloat openly about annihilating ethnic Europeans in the mass media funded by heavy taxes. The small nations still praising the EU think they can avoid it all, they will die like the rest. The EU is the destroyer of nations, families, individuals. It's peak GloboHomo anarcho-tyranny.
>>536383125>AfD is still going full RussiaDisappointing.>>536383180I don't think European cooperation means that every European culture should be destroyed. In fact the EU seems to make big efforts to respect local languages across Europe, for example.
>>536382661There is no way back towards true European nations, were too diversified now. If we can't have good nations at least we should have a strong Europe so we can fuck with America/Israel.
>>536383398It really doesn't respect anything other than 'we are liberal and fuck you if you don't agree'
>>536383434we are 2 weeks away from solving that diversity problemmoney still flows, people are too fat and happy for now
>>536383506The EU parliament is elected and they in turn elect the president of the EU commission. So you can vote for less liberal politicians to run the EU if you want.
>>536383069I agree with you for the most part. I think that any large and powerful country is naturally going to have some form of autocratic leaning as we are seeing with Russia, China and even the US with Trump to some extend. But having a clear hierarchy would make it easier to navigate the power structure and would make it harder for leaders to avoid responsibility. Your point about a massive cultural shift towards individual rights is on point. Ideally we would have something like the our own version of the US Constitution that would act as an ideological anchor.
>>536382661I use to be be an uncritical supporter of Europeean integration, but reading today's American thought about the US made be reconsider. Today US democrats seethe endkessly about electoral college and sone even anout the senate. If you do not know what these two institutions are: College is the body which elects the president. Each each is represented by the number of Congressmen (which is proportional to the population of the state)+the number of senators (which is 2 for all states. Thus the number of electors each state sends is due the the 2 not exactly proportional to the population. Them thinking this is unfair, makes me suspect that if USE would be established, small countries having more reoresentation than it would follow purely from their populations wpuld be under threat, and European Council, degressive proportionality of European Parliament, wpuld be eliminated. Leaving populous states to rule over smaller ones. I fear that US leftists today complain about in the US about their political system, is analogous to what USE leftIsts would complain about.
>>536383603right to self defenseright to self expression right to motor travel without license - since motors are normal thingright to computeright to communicateright of body autonomy (no force "medical" procedures)and much moreall of above is unacceptable to zog
>>536382661Hello, goodbye.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Jewish_Parliament
>>536382661>EU flagfuck off fingolian
>>536383570You mean vote for the organization who've literally fucking banned people from runningYes, this seems like a logical fucking idea.Next, why don't we ask them to investigate themselves for the corruption they're guilty of. Surely this will enlighten us to itNow fuck off.
>>536383712Their main problem is that they can only have two viable parties because they don't have proportional representation. Therefore the electoral college can sometimes decide the presidency. Under proportional representation it's just a rounding error.The American system is so antiquated. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
>>536383770You always post this>>536383865In our country people voted for Farage and his colleagues to join the EU parliament. I'm sure you could vote for similar people in your country. Fuck off yourself.
>>536384313Because it literally prove that the Russian-Ukraine war was funded by jewish oligarchs and they swith of side depending of the winner of the moment.
>>536384807The Russia-Ukraine war was started by Putin and his colleagues. Maybe some of them are Jewish but I don't think that's an important factor.
>>536384855See, you need me to post that regulary. Your manichean brain need to be stimulated.
>>536382750Europe has never been united, except when one military conquers it. Even then, it lasts for long as the exceptional leader lives, and soon crumbles after his death.
>>536384922I'm just stating facts>>536384965The US was never united until they did it. Italy was never united until it was. There's a first time for everything
>>536384965I think Europe has been almost unified a number of times, which interestingly are relatively close to our modern times. Napoleon was close as were the Germans in the World Wars. The main reason they failed is that they were fighting a two-front war with Russia/the USSR and Britain. I think that if Napoleon or Germany were successful we would probably have eventually have ended up with centralization around the German or French state. I think that the Roman Empire is also worth mentioning. I know Rome was a Mediterranean rather than purely European state but they are an example of a multinational state being successful.
>>536385930America is divided. Italy has always been united since roman times, sometimes having feuds between cities. First time for everything, even unlikely exception in history. Exception which in all likely would be short lived.
>>536386480Rome was ruined when they gave citizenship to non-romans.
>>536386496>America is dividedThe only time they actually divided was in the civil war in the 1860s. They might have disagreements these days but they're still one country, and in fact the most powerful country on the planet.Anyway i do think Europe should cooperate more to ensure its own future. I think OP is right. If Europe doesn't work together then we're all just small units who will get pushed around by the US, Russia, and China.
>>536386480I forgot to mention that the geopolitical realities around Napoleon and Germany at the time were set against European unification:The British Empire was the primary global superpower during those times and it was against their interests for Europe to be united under a hegemon because they would have had to worry about the Europeans building a navy and possibly invading Britain, and they also would have had to compete for colonies.But the new geopolitical reality is that the US is the current global hegemon and what happens in Europe is not really a major concern for them.
>>536382661>EU is already worse than USSR in terms of invasive restrictions over trade and production>rampant bribery made loud by Leyen and Pfizer>decision makers in the institutions can't be held accountable>HELLO EVERYONE I HAVE PERSONALLY COME TO THE CONCLUSION WE SHOULD TURN IT TO ELEVENNeck yourself shill
>>536386840i would just like a non faggot EU but i think its too much to ask
>>536382661we don’t have to federalize and call ourselves as same people. all EU needs is combined army. then we have to kill all americans and russians.
>>536387276>let Brussels steal armies from all member countries, so it makes sure it's never used against rustards>"combined army"I hear squeaking of a warszawka rat when I read your post
>>536382661You would have to kill every E.U politician and elect new ones that weren't owned by America and Israel first.Even then it would probably be too late as the E.U. politicians have done their owners bidding too well and have already destroyed Europe in line with the plan in the Project For A New American Century blueprint.Go and read it and then come back and tell me about your fantasy of a European SuperState.Europes only chance at greatness was to link up with Russia in an economic union. That was America and Israels greatest fear and thats why Europe has been effectively destroyed by a fifth-column of politicians and NGO'S.Now, watch this thread get shut down, now that I've brought up the PNAC document.
>>536386840It is divided now too. American hegemony will be a thing of the past. Like toqcueville described long ago.About Europe. I have no problem with cooperation, but is EU anything but a joke. You would only give more power to neoliberal eurocrats, who would sacrifice Europe for personal gain.
>>536382661I'm pro EU but will never accept federalisation
>>536388462>neoliberalEU parliamentarians are elected by Europeans, and the parliamentarians in turn elect the EU commission president. So you could just elect politicians who aren't neoliberal.>>536390326For what reasons?
>>536387155>rampant bribery made loud by Leyen and PfizerIt's been half a decade get a new fucking line lol
>>536382661Lol that would never happen, do you understand how radicalized some would be? For most people their country is the biggest part of their identity after family. When I say abroad to people that I am Swedish I do so with pride, people know what that means. European is to broad and will never really mean anything. I like all cultures, but I am not a spaniard or an Italian, I respect them and I want them to respect themselves too.
>>536390729>For most people their country is the biggest part of their identity after familySo why isn't there more anti immigration sentiment?
>>536390611Time changes nothing. 30 years will pass from now and you will be still an obese circumcised retard.
>>536390462Nigger, you parliament votes on laws created by nondemocratically appointed eurocrats. If law is not passed, they will put it to vote again, and again. Many as necessary to pass said law. You have no say over matters of EU.Why is it that people pro EU never know how it works?
>>536390462>"lol just elect non kike-owned politicians">there are none>"see? it's proof that the people want to be owned by kikes"it's always this same disingenuous pilpul
>>536382661Socialist EU, the brainchild of nationalsocialist offspring and collaborators, should crash and burn. No go get a socialistic EU regulation for how to retardedly ruin your business by overpaid EU bureaucrats laughing at you behind closed doors.
>>536390981>If law is not passed, they will put it to vote again, and againThen the EU parliament can vote it down, again and again.>You have no say over matters of EUNot true. Europeans elect EU parliamentarians.>>536391096Farage managed to get elected to the EU parliament, so if Europeans wanted, they could elect an entire parliament of people with similar views to Farage, but they haven't.
>>536390909So how many more weeks until the mass die off Ivan XD
>>536390820There is, only in US you think this way, because it is founded in mixing and capitalism, its not like this in older countries. The national states themselves are a bit of an over reach but stabilized because its where the lines literally was drawn where we see>ok we are the same people and can tolerate each otherBut clearly we can still have innebördeskrig in modern times too, which would be what would happen inn this scenario. Mark my words it would never happen. Something like the Nordic Union will probably happen in the future though since people would see the benefits to unite with our brothers, but even that is very hard. Also another thing you Americans dont fully realize since most of us write English all the time online is that we speak completely different languages and the mindset that comes with them too.
>>536391360Who are just a rubber stamp at best.
>>536391481>There isSo why hasn't it materialized into any political action?
>>536391534They can vote down laws. Surely the commission could present the same law unlimited times, but the parliament could also vote it down unlimited times. Also, the president of the commission (Ursula von der Leyen) is elected by the parliament. So if you want different EU leadership then campaign for a party you like in the EU elections. Different EU parliamentarians = different EU laws and leadership.
>>536392012So one member. When comission is decided by memeber states, and EU has shown will to meddle in elections of member states and non-members as well.>Surely the commission could present the same law unlimited times, but the parliament could also vote it down unlimited times. You see that as likely? EU had same system as Soviet Union. You think average soviet could influence its government?
>>536382661It would immediately get infiltrated by you know who
>>536392575Why not make TKD a core organizational value?
>>536382716i agree with this faggot.less taxes, less niggers, and we have a deal.
>>536392575EU is already infiltrated. Values of the talmud are values of the EU after all.
>>536382661>What do you think?Fuck off you fucking leeches.Fuck you, fuck your opinion and fuck your idea of getting more gibs out of my pockets.TKD, TBD, TND, TvdLD, TEUDAfter killing the socialist hags and especially vdL and making an alliance with Russia we can start talking about some superstate.
>>536382661The issue is not that there are nation states, the issue is that there is no "common good". The AH empire worked because there was a common good, of course jews undermined it. You cannot have a common EU for Europe when it acts as a money siphon for Germany and France. And especially now the EU leaders are communist jews that hate Europe and have the full backing of US to destroy it, giving them more power would be incredibly stupid.
Also the reminder that it is the US driving a wedge between Germany and Russia and never let us have peace.>US main interest of the past 100 years was to hinder an alliance between Germany and Russiahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Gouq6hp-0It's the US kikes behind everything. I bet they're the ones behind the black hand and the killing of crown prince Ferdinand, thus starting WW1 which lead to WW2 which lead to where we are in the current dayTKD
>>536392886Why convert into a supertate and lose all national sovereignity? You even have local goverments still, local authority is better that some huge leviathan state.
Europe is the most powerful entity on Earth.
>>536382661Si Europa grande
you will get it precisely because Europeans are being finished off, it's easy to unite an amorphous mass, there's no resistance from what has no formEurope has always been a continent at war since it more or less invented bronze age militarism, it's what made it excel and what gave it its relatively freer political institutions vs servile despotisms of Asiabut because all of that is gone you will indeed have an easier time unifying it "from below" from its amorphousness instead of "from above" i.e from a principle/force capable of ordering its rowdy and proud parts
>>536392886>Eurorussia>Gorbachov's wet dreamOssie you are in dire need of an electroshock therapy. It seems the soviet voices in your head are back
>>536391543I mean, not going to fully go in details but I am not allowed to go to the United States, even though I am a wealthy handsome white man. You can probably guess why. We could go to war against USA but then US would ally with Russia like with Soviet in WW2. USA wants globohomo capitalism on the old world because of a judeo-christian idea called the world to come: העולם הבא. Unfortunately this requires to make us trannies for some reason.
>>536393673War is way, way better than slavery.
>>536394360Im not talking about starting war just immigration restrictions. If it's really so popular why isn't it happening?
>>536395225You know the answer
