Glorious. Normans will use shitty computers while corporations will run AI.
>>536394905Unless they've invented a magical method to produce RAM that doesn't involve helium, I don't think so
Fuck everyone who told me 64GB was overkill when it was cheap.
>>536394905I'm fine with that. Give me affordable CUDA or similar at 2020 speeds (i.e. GTX 1650) but with 16+ GB VRAM or more and I'll be a happy as a clam.
>>5363949051pbtid
>>536394905What the hell are they doing with all those Dance Dance Revolution machines.
>>536395033>Fuck everyone who told me 64GB was overkill when it was cheap.Don't you mean fuck you for not buying NVidia stock?
>>536395123I don't know anything about parachuting but that looks like a good recovery.
>>536395123>when I see a bubble I pile on...
>>536394905Hey at least it will be cheaper, right?
>>536395033And you listened to them like a retarded goy? I bought 256 GB a few years ago when it was dirt cheap and a few HDDs and SSDs and everyone was laughing saying I won't use it because I'm not a big boy who spams virtual machines. Who gives a shit.>>536395031>heliumIt's a meme. Helium ETFs haven't even risen in years.>>536395008Normalfags don't deserve open hardware and software. The future is locked down android/apple like crap full of ads, brain rot and buck breaking propaganda.[spoiler]And that's a good thing.[/spoiler]
>>536395123you mean sndk? it did a literal 45x over the past yearyou could've turned 20k into almost 1 million
>>536395123I always ignored those fags. I vividly recall "you'll never need more than 4gb of ram" and "you don't need 250gb ssd, you can run everything off 120gb" back in like 2009-2011ishI did pretty well in my 2013 build. It lasted 10 years and still going strong my nephew is enjoying a 2060 and 16gb of ram for roblox and Minecraft and still able to play many stream games. For my 2022 build I made sure to future proof as much as possible. But I did stay with a ddr4 motherboard. I thought u was good with 32gb. But the ai shit forced me to upgrade before price spikes. I am loving being at 64gb of ram. Absolutely no issues.
>get a GTX1080 system from dell on finance in 2017>still using it to this very keystroke>stopped paying the finance in 2017
>>536394905Bring back DDR1
>>536395464You still don't use 256GB. You're like a woman who buys something just because it's a good deal, not because you actually need it.
>>536396061what's the make and model on that mobo that holds 64GB?
>>53639503364gb is overkill. Future versions of Windows and MacOS will be stripped down dumb terminals connected to AI cloud services, and Linux will continue to run fine in 4gb.
>>536396237see? you're still crying
>>536396061>i am loving being at 64gb of ramFuck on off right back to india
>>536396061Normalfags are subhuman, they always say "you don't need more than the current meme". I honestly don't even consider them conscious.
>>536396408>normie suicidal because he's stuck with his 16 GB gaybook for the rest of the decadepasta la vista, nigger
>>536394905So happy I didn't upgrade to AM5.
>>536396230Why, we have it already!>The state is broke>Public transport is overcrowded>You get arrested for free speech against politicians, especially the lying pinocchio>You ARE being watched online (well, we mostly don't have landlines anymore...)>Foreign "friendly students" everywhereJust like the DDR but without the human solidarity
>>536394905>empty out the old stock>of course for modern priceshang em all
>>536396353Msi B660m mortar I believe. I think I could have done a bit better. But yeah I'll make sure to pick a good one for the next build if any of this ai shit falls off>>536396408Fully uncut white Hispanic my brother :^)>>536396415Yep. Always ignore them and go for the best with your budget and Always future proof.
>>536394905finally they gonna let the current hardware breathe a little. devs will actually have to optimize code again. the world is healing.
System specs are just a dick measuring contest for most of you fags. I built a DDR4 system earlier this year. It has 32gb but I choose slower RAM that would allow the mobo to support 64gb later. I'll probably never need it. The system it replaced was built in 2015 using 2012 parts and it was still running fine. It had 32gb but only because I found 16gb on eBay that was identical to the 16gb I already had. I never needed 32gb. The only reason I upgraded was to run W11 so I could run SOLIDWORKS for school.
>>536395464i just maxed out my pc because i could, i play 20 year old games. i dont think my games even know how to use all of the resources they have available.
>>536395123MU & AMD are both outperforming nvidia by a lot. I bought nvidia, mu & amd throughout last year and nvidias up 35% which is great but my amds up 198% and mu is up 241%. Luckily I only invested like $10k to play around with. Sure would have sucked had I bought way more! Better than it sitting in a checking account though. Now just need it to not shit the bed.
>>536394905It's already over. I will collapse it out of spite. Your little kike kids will be killed and eaten by niggers and indians. Hell will you devour and turn you to shit. It is righteous and justified. God is good.
>>536396888All the devs who know how to do that are over 50 years old and got forced out of the industry a decade ago.
>>536395464>you didnt buy memory?You're a brainlet fucking retard normie that has no idea what they're talking about
>>536395008all part of the plan. they want to make us reliant on ai out of convenience, instead of doing our own research or remembering passages from actual books. the internet got out of hand, they cant censor it so they try to establish alternatives that would eclipse the free internet if enough ppl use it. they tried turning the web into cable tv with a few curated channels, facebook, instagram etc. next step is only fake ai generated history & post-hoc falsification of sources.
>>536396994they could just start another company. but no 50 year old, already rich dev wants that hassle.
>>536394905Has anything improved since they started pushing AI?
>>536394905you dont need bleeding edge tech for microsoft outlook and fucking teams.
>>536397087>just ask the totally-not-jewish-ai for objective advice goy.
>>536396902Star citizen and an amd gpu choked the shit out of my build. It did so many odd things to my computer and revealed so many flaws. I was forced to figure out if needed bios updates and intel updates. I upgraded the ram and gpu. I just couldn't believe 32gb of ram could not run star citizen properly, at least on my build. I know its unoptimized, but I was still shocked. It runs awesome now and I have a 5070 ti.
>>536394905>world without ddr5I think they mean a world were only AI and tech billionaires are allowed to hoard technology. Funny if this sets us back years in technology and AInends up flopping
Who literally gives a shit
>>536397209I failed to mention that the culprit was the ram. It was not enough. I had to upgrade to 64gb.
>>536397180DDR5 will be 6 years old next month, hardly bleeding edge. DDR4 is already 12 years old
>>536397209>in development for 15 yearswtf
>>536395031It's been long enough helium is likely being sourced from North America now.
>>536394905>MFW Zen 2 and I stay winning
>>536397209star citizen is pajeet tier bloatware. this idea that you are supposed to invest in 4000 dollar gaming systems because games are coded by 70iq niggers is very jewish
>>536397315so what? my point stands
>>536397317It is getting a tad better. But it's not there yet. I can't recommend it yet. But they are definitely updating it and making improvements. Still buggy and glitches tho
>>536394905Not going to last forever, and here's why.AI is not profitable enough to use. Profitable to make the hardware for, yes, but everything else still runs net negative. The end customer is realizing this more and more. This leaves only cost-effective alternatives such as shittier local models as useful.The data center boom will end in a bust unless the models can both become more efficient, and more powerful at the same time. And they ahve maybe a year to make that happen, and to justify costs.
>>536394905My computer is 11 years old and still runs like a champ, idk why people care about the generation of their le heckin Ram like it's going to make their computer unusable
>>536397419Meh I just wanted a decent Sim to pilot a cool space ship. But yeah it's kinda shit. A lot of obstacles. I just want to be cmthe captain of a star ship like captain Kirk.
>>536397583They'll just start putting ads in your chats, haven't you figured out their playbook yet?
>>536397600>>536397209This shit is so fucking gay lol
>>536397678they already do that now doe, you not been keeping up?https://ads.openai.com/
>>536396561>mfw took the AM5 pill right before RAMmageddon startedAlthough I only put 32 gigs of RAM in. Kind of mad about that. I was considering going with 96GB since I fuck around with AI occasionally but I thought to myself "32 meets all my immediate needs... I can always buy more later"
>>536394905Imagine how bad things really are that they have to restart production from the discontinued last generation so the AI vampires can keep sucking on the DDR5 supply, but at least it will make some people happy to be able to afford building a new PC, even if it is not with cutting edge technology. Here a fucking 8Gb DRR4 @3400Mhz used to cost barely 20 bucks in 2024, now it sits on somewhere around 80 dollars, it has QUADRUPLED in price and let's not even talk about DDR5 RAM.
>>536397774I don't use chatbots but it's always the same strategy. Give people something useful for free, let them get hooked on using it, then cut the quality in half and stuff it full of ads, then offer a "pro" version without ads, then eventually put ads into the "pro" version as well. It's a tale as old as the internet itself
>>536397801Lucky you I'm still on AM4 since I couldn't justify upgrading (5700X, 32GB DDR4, don't play esports games).
>>536397597The issue is that the Gen Z'ers who do want to get into PC gaming are getting cock-blocked at the door.And if their money doesn't get through the door that kills it, eventually, for the Millennials and Xers who are already there because the industry is going to move away from DIY PC gaming (which we are already starting to see) if new money isn't coming in. They can still get in via DIY + used hardware.
No one need more computing power than what's provided by an HP Pavilion zv6000 running linux.Anything beyond that is a waste of money.
>>536397961Yes and soon as they increase production, companies will start buying up the DDR4 for slower AI datacentres just because.
>>536395008Wrong. Corporations will run the overpriced, shitty version of AI for nefarious purposes. Community driven AI R&D have sovl and will be MUCH more useful and affordable to the average joe. Amem.
>>536398024I still do like to build systems for the sake of building systems though.There's 3 systems sitting on my desk as we speak. But lately it's just been repurposing hardware I already have sitting around. Haven't ordered in new parts in some time because everything's gay.
>>536397801>"32 meets all my immediate needs... I can always buy more later"Kek. I did the same. I wanted to add another SSD and a couple of large HDs as well. Fuckers.
>>536398132Unfortunately, we do because of horrificaly inefficient jeetcode.
>>536397801I had bought 128gb when I was high last year. It had zero impact on anything I do and I returned it. I'm not a big fan of AI, I pretty much only use the computer for 4k gaming and high res audio. I really don't know what people use more than 16gb for.
If they have spare capacity to make more DDR4, why don't they just make more DDR5 instead?
>>536398024That's basically what I have, I'm still blown away how competent the 5700x is.
>>536398287That and an internet filled with Ad's that require an Ad-blocker eating up resources.
>>536395123Worst or best sight seeing company.
>>536398235I find ways to scratch that itch, I built an AM5 PC for a friend recently (pic related), I've built WIndows 95 and XP retro gaming PCs etc.>>536398378Don't get me wrong I'm not disappointed or unhappy with what I have, it's just I would have upgraded if I knew what was coming...
>>536395123Sold amd before it doubled, kinda don't want to be here anymore
>>536398172And the next headline will be: "Production of DDR3 RAM and motherboards is restarting as DDR4 prices increase due to AI demands and DDR5 has become a billionaires luxury."
>>536397678I'm not talking about the freefag versions. Nobody is using that for actual work unless they're dumb.I'm talking about the paid versions with all the agentic tool calling. The stuff that's being sold to businesses. You know, the way they'll ACTUALLY be able to make money. Except as I said that doesn't make money for the customer, and so isn't going to go anywhere either.
Still on ddr4 with my am4 cpu and 6750xtNot my problem
>>536397583AI is for mass surveillance
>>536398734>I'm not talking about the freefag versions.>I'm talking about the paid versions>536397678>They'll just start putting ads in your chats, haven't you figured out their playbook yet?
>>536394905DDR4 memory is still insanely overpriced. i bought 32gb of dram a little over a year ago for an older PC for 50 bucks. that exact same kit is now 220.i dont think they'll produce in numbers high enough to make a difference, and even if they did its still shitty that technology is regressing because of soulless ai slop that floods the internet.
>>536398299>I really don't know what people use more than 16gb for.Well real world example, I sometimes fuck around on VRChat, and let's say I'm chilling on VR Chat, but I'm also checking email, watching videos, etc, in the background RAM allocation pushes into the high 20s. Systems are also strong enough now that you can do something like run the desktop version of vrchat in the background and you can use it as a vtuber avatar, it can actually animate your face and hands using webcam input. So if you want to be some tranime streamer that's the easiest way to accomplish that. 16 gigs of RAM is fine for running most games. But running 2 games at once... you're going to want more. Plus a lot of people like to run playback programs so that they can clip instant replays of interesting moments in their games like if they just had a lucky knife throw or corner banged someone real good etc. These days my minimum recommendation will always be 32 gigs for those above reasons.Because there's ways to go well beyond just having a glorified overpriced game console and it's when you get into power user territory that suddenly the minimum minimum recommendation is no longer enough.The "good enough" PC gaming experience stops being "good enough" quite fast.
>>536394905I have a DDR3, DDR4 and a DDR5 system in the room with me right now
>>536394905My machine is 11 years old and there is not really anything I would need a new one to do that wasn't available 5 years ago.
>>536398299>I really don't know what people use more than 16gb for.my chrome alone is taking up 16gb right now
>>536395033I only got 32 gigs of ram for Rust but ultimately the game is so poorly optimized that it doesn't even matter anyways.
>>536398981Lol thats insane
>>536396356>64gb is overkill. Future versions of Windows and MacOS will be stripped down dumb terminals connected to AI cloud services, and Linux will continue to run fine in 4gb.I'm sure Sukdeep Dipshiet will get right on that. I bet you it will be a dumb terminal AND it will use 400 GB of ram.>>536396888>finally they gonna let the current hardware breathe a little. devs will actually have to optimize code again. the world is healing.I eagerly look forward to "Jeet-doze" using LESS ram in the future.Gone are the days of hyper-intelligent white men locking themselves in a room and emerging several months later with the complete operating system for UNIX written in assembler.
>>536394905Who the fuck uses or even needs DDR5 unless youre doing like 4 tabs of Unity 2 of Blender 3 of Photoshop lmfao
>>536396358I bought 32gb and am doing just fine. Post your RAM utilization.
>>536394905only the most dedicated gaymers will even notice a difference
>>536399264People trying to run things like Kimi and Deepsuck at home.But Gemma 4 more or less made running local models on GPU the meta again.
>>536399281(You) don't need more than 16 GB. Post your RAM utilization.
>>536395031Helium is not a neccesairy component in RAM production, only HDDs require some Helium
>>536395123>have the entire sky to not crash into someone>still crash into someoneRetarded nigger tier every time it happens.
>>536394905>outdatedI'm still using my Windows 7 laptop. Bite me.
>>536395033I made that mistake back in '09 when 32bit windows were the norm and got a PC with 3GB of RAM that I had to upgrade 18 months later, because suddenly 64bit windows became viable. I now have a 10 year old rig with 64GB DDR4 and a 3 year old rig with 64GB DDR5. It was a very cheap lesson in retrospect.
>>53639934716 gigs of ram isn't even enough for a shitty business machine thanks to garbage like chrome having awful memory utilization. >10 tabs open and 12 gigs of memory is being used
>>536399577Its true just this week i upgraded my DDR4 16GB 3200Hz to 32GB and it massively improves it. That said 64 is total overkill but 16 is the new 8 nowadays and is the bare minimum
>>536399281>Post your RAM utilization.You know that "unused" RAM is used as cache right?
>>536395033checked.64GB is overkill for nearly everyone unless you're doing some super advanced shit with your computer. 99.9% of people aren't doing anything special w\ their computer.Obviously if there's high demand, there will be increased production. This entire topic is retarded because people come at it from a perspective as though everyone is trying to build a new computer w\ ddr5. Obviously people will see this massive demand, and there will be additional manufacturing created. Not to mention by the time all this shit will theroretically happen, the existing stuff now will be getting older... in 3-4 years it will be refreshed...Then people will be crying about trying to get ddr6 ram.
>>536399281I got 96gb last year and wish I got more. It only would have been a couple hundred more and I'd be very comfy. I regularly get into the 80g+ range unfortunately. Had 32gb before and thought I was doing just fine. Somehow, your computer finds a way to use even more ram doing the same shit when you install more. I guess less page filesVirtual machines, comfyui, lots of browser tabs, notepad++, IDEs. Usual shit. I'm usually around 60gb when I look at system informer when I'm not doing anything special at the time.If you're a dev, stop using Javascript as much as you can you stupid fucks
>>536398036Oh well, they'll have to touch grass instead
Genuinely what is the performance difference between DDR4 and DDR5? Like 3 FPS? If your CPU needs fast RAM to work properly you got scammed and instead of paying the initial price you pay the RAM price now
>>536399645All the bullshit that Microsoft and friends are pushing means that 32 is the minimum nowadays. t. watched a guy's utilization max out from using linkedin.
>>536399671I have an RTX 3080 with 32 GB RAM 3000hz DDR4, how futureproof you reckon this is if i use it for Unity3D, FL Studio, Blender3D, Adobe Bundle and Boom Toon Flash. I dont really want to buy more for the next 10 years desu
>>536399680You've never seen a vagina in your life have you? What the fuck are you even doing lmao.
>>536399281>Post your RAM utilization.left is linux server, right is windows desktop
>>536398734Enterprise SW is extremely hard to make money on because you rely heavily on large corporate accounts but those companies are always looking to switch to something cheaper, and there are always new startups and other competors etc. Anthropic is dealing with that reality right now, but it's been a long standing issue even for companies like Microsoft, IBM, Google, etc. They'll still fight it out but the ones making the most money will do so via targeted ads to plebs and via leasing compute hardware
>>536397597I recently had an 18 year old computer die. (Supermicro C2SBE with quadcore intel and 8gb ram) But it's ok. I have another 18 year old computer (Xfx Nvidia with 5460 xeon and 8gb ram) that I've barely used. Just popped in a new ssd and installed Debian 13.5 on it yesterday and she's running fine.
>>536400259But now I have an empty case with a brand new power supply that's just begging for some sort of pc build...What should I build, anons?Any ideas? (Thanks!)
>>536398844>>They'll just start putting ads in your chats, haven't you figured out their playbook yet?What chats? Nobody reads the "agentic" LLMs recursively talking to themselves because it would literally take hours to do so. I don't think you realize the extent of money being burned in the futile attempt to make models 10% more accurate.
>>536399703Losing sleep while building a bunch of shit for fun or toying with different software while son #2 is in the way. My only time to do stuff right now is during night duty for son #1, it is what it is. I like doing shit with computers. Lots of cool stuff on github too. Got a pretty good live face changer there and swapped it with my family member's face to fuck with them over a video call. Got some good keks. Computer stuff takes time, but I can do whatever I feel like doing with them, given enough time. It's fun and useful. The fuck are you doing? Shitposting on pol? Even when I do vidya which I've got no time for, I fix or update mods I use because no one else will. Fixed an Anki thing last year because the owner abandoned it a couple years prior. Make tampermonkey scripts to fix or add features to sites I use sometimes. Experiment with new features in languages I use sometimes. I don't know, I do a lot of shit. Whatever my current interest or need is at the time. Making a comfyui node for wan 2.2 too. Probably forgetting to mention a lot of other things I'm doing but whateverWhy aren't you doing shit, anon?
>>536400496Meant to reply to:>>536399882
>>536399856I don't know about 10 years, but you should be good until 2030 or so.
>>536400496>implyingI'm gardening, playing with my kids, honing my culinary skills, reading, going to the gym, playing pickleball, hiking, and I just joined a gun club to get into sporting clay shooting. I'll play a little bit of vidya or shitpost when I've got a free hour or so but it's pathetic to spend so much time on a computer you care about gen 4 vs gen 5 RAM and I certainly don't shed tears for gaymers having to cope with dropped frames while they shoot heckin bad guys
Reading this thread reminded me of Raspberry pi's so I looked them up. 4 gb Raspberry pi kit on amazon $135 chatjeetpt or whatever the google mechanical redditor swears it's totally not a scam.
>>536400496lol look at this retard trying to prove to himself he's somehow better than the rest of us
>>536401148>4 gb Raspberry pi kitIt's LPDDR4, so it basically only competes with low-end smartphones.
>>536398216
>>536401329Yet it's still 5x the price it "should" be at. We're going back to DDR3 boys.
>>536394905Fuck's sakes, man.......
>>536399577>HackerRank's global survey puts it bluntly - 29% of all code is now AI-generated, and 15% of devs say AI writes more than half their code.And it's going to get a lot worse. Even today these stories are very common:https://www.tomshardware.com/software/a-suspected-youtube-interface-bug-spikes-ram-usage-above-7-gigabytes-users-report-severe-lag-and-frozen-tabs-bug-might-be-trapping-browsers-in-an-endless-layout-loop>A suspected YouTube interface bug spikes RAM usage above 7 gigabytes, users report severe lag and frozen tabs — bug might be trapping browsers in an endless layout loop7 GB gone, just like thatso the functionality gets worse, while they waste more resources
>>536399645Microsoft already recommends 32 GB to normalfags. You know what that means, right? Every dev will look at these statistic and think>great, my shitty program can waste all of it It's the same kind of mentality that makes jeets pollute the world with garbage (see webm)>saar is not a problem, the earth is very very big, hinduism says earth is infinite, i can throw garbage everywhere saar
>>536394905The average user won't even notice the bandwidth difference between DDR4 and DDR5. The real problem is that DDR4 is incompatible with AM5/LGA1851 socket motherboards, so automatically you're limited to CPUs from 4+ years ago.
>>536402367Yep, they hire pajeets to do all the coding. The pajeets not only suck but they also don't care because muh fast cpu and memory. So now we're in a downward spiral of everything getting shitty.
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>>536396888my thought as well feels good man
>>536403086They keep releasing new AM4 processors though.
>>536394905IDGAF as long as I get 120+ fps on tarkov
>>536396888m8 all code is written by AI now.All AI is trained on jeet programming examples.
>>536399096This. My draw rate is fine. I can't do advanced graphic design but thats mostly my shitty 14 year old 1070 TI ROG Strix. Still works fine and overclocking rarely makes it crash unless the card is hot, and thats only if AC don't work. But no ray tracing, reflections and shadows are murder and if I have too many graphics mods installed it won't be able to draw in some complex NPCs. I am just going to wait. I missed all the windows I wanted and I had to upgrade my CPU like 3 fucking times in 5 years thanks to Microsoft.
>>536404704They're just re-releases really. They are still outperformed by AM5 CPUs from 3-4 years ago.Some of them are still pretty good CPUs, but if DDR5 was not so expensive, nobody would be recommending them at this point.
>>536399924Dude windows sucks what the fuck man its all bloatware now. It doesn't even do what I want for free now. I am going to axe Windows for good.
>>536394905That's mean we get optimalization in games?Right?
>>536398981WEAK SHIT, my chrome sidegrade is using 22gb of my 32gb of RAM right NOW.
>>536403086>The average user won't even notice the bandwidth difference between DDR4 and DDR5.You have to cherrypick the fastest DDR4 and the slowest DDR5 for that to be the case.
>>536395033I ignored them and bought the 64, I even have backup pair. I also purchased several nvme drives for $100 just to have them even though I didn't have an immediate use for them. They're now like $640 lolHoarders always win in the long run.
