"Isn't that nuts? Imagine if someone told you you had to live off $21,000 today." Doesn't he know that most people in the USA make less than $21k a year?
>>536404762average income in the U.S. is $50k, fucktard
>>536404762ive been living on about half that in USD for the last 5 years. these fancy media niggers have no clue.
>>536404762Im going to give you 21,000 spankings if you dont put on your PJs and go to bed like your mother said.
>>536404762I make 100k and I feel broke.
>>536404818When you include the salary of millionaires and billionaires the average is 50k. You take them out of the equation and it drops significantly
>>536404762Crazy truly crazy part is for last 10,000 years up the industrial revolution. People lived off $500 a year.
>>53640476221K a year is $1700 a month. more than enough to live onfirst, there's no income tax at that level.average apartment is $1200, but you can probably find something a lot cheaper.leaving $500 a month for food or $125 a week. I spend $80 a week on food and I splurge.the remainder is for internet.that's it. that's all you need.
I stopped watching him forever ago but it would be funny if he adopted NEET Robot lingo like wagecuckolds wageslaves cagieragies etc
>>536404762I make like 14k on early retirement. just don't doordash everyday.
>>536405107>Somehow thinks he’ll be able to afford a car, insurance, gas, food, and entertainment off of $500/monthDo you live with your parents?
>>536404818No one in this thread makes more than $30k.
my yearly expenses are around 7500€
>>536405107>that's it. that's all you need.Nope I need more for happy endings
>>536404818Average doesn't represent most though. But media is still higher than what OP is suggesting.
>>536404762I only buy food, like literally. I don't spend money at all. Need to calculate how much I spend. Simple life is best life.
>>536405246>car, insurance, gas,tell me you're a jewcuck without telling me you're a jewcuck
>>536405369median*
>>536405273Amen brother!
>>536405107how do you get arounddo you have to pay any other taxes aside from income taxutilities?
>>536404944I make ~$12,000 and I feel wealthy.
>>536405107>average apartment is $1200bro is still living in 2016 :skull:unc needs to get to the nursing home frfr
>>536405557>Doesnt even own a car>thinks he has mastered finance
>>536404762I don't know about most but still, they don't really. They live off welfare programs.The minimum wage in this country needs to triple, if not 4 x.Would that lead to market equilibrations yes, so tf what not being all slaves in a nigger shack that work for free and a molasses ration does too.Wage growth inflation is always an overblown spook by lolbergs, too. Ultimately the majority, aside the very rich and their choice underlings are better off on average from a higher baseline.>>536404944because you are, the only people who are shekel-grubbing for anything making less than a half mill are genuine commie faggots, and they want to steal everything.>>536405107we're not drones put in a box you nigger, women who aren't animal gene carrying brownoids don't want to breed with "hey look how manly I am, I'm not even starving" because it isn't 40,000 BC.And no one wants to feed the rent-jew that can toss precious corn 'pone to the human wage niggers to make another rent shack, we already addressed that monarchs eventually evolve as a societal entity to become kind of shit and inefficient at all but maximizing production of their own comfort a few centuries ago.Having a series of pets that just don't starve until they die is what we already have, and what does it lead to. A Jew paradise of a self-suicidal civilization, with demographics that are replaced by the lowest bidder, a society that within 2-3 generations is returning to monke and devolving back to the bronze age.No thank you, I don't want to be India or Brazil. (Except even worse, those places are far better actually than they would be, because their endless wage serfs are selling things to Caucasians and importing tech.
>>536404762>nuts>dude>that's crazy>DMT dude>DudeWhy can't he speak properly? Stupid bald junkie Gen X cunt.
i lived off 31k last year and it was a struggle, this year is looking like the same
>>536404818How much of the top. 1% is jn that average? Fucktard
>>536405253I make $140K plus benefits. Half the day I just shitpost on /pol/. Are you guys really poorfags???
>>536405746You haven't "mastered" anything you have been mastered and you don't own the car. You're a slave. You are taxed and charged multiple times simply to move around and the police can smash the windows in and seize it whenever they want.
>>536404762I live on 6k a year it was comfy a decade ago it’s pretty bad now
>>536405107>average apartment is $1200,Kek maybe in the fucking ghetto
>>536404872>>536404944>>536405701>>536405860Absolute numbers are completely fucking meaningless, cost of living varies so intensely from area to area that the same net pay nets you a mcmansion one place and paycheck to paycheck in the fucking ghetto in anotherI am broke as fuck for where i live, i will never own a home or retire, but as soon as my boomer parents die (can't now because i am semi taking care of them and need to be nearby) ill move and not be a poverty tier nigger
>>536404762Joe Rogan has been a millionaire for over 30 years nowHaving that level of wealth for that long, or being born into that level of wealth, makes it impossible for someone to comprehend not having that level of wealth, as they take it for granted.You see this in wealthy people all the time. Romney telling people to get loans from their parents to pay their bills. Trump downplaying receiving a "small loan" of a million dollars from his father.I work in a industry where wealth is common. I see these people every day. It's not even malicious, they're not saying "Fuck these poors pull themselves up by the bootstraps" types.But I have a buddy who came from a wealthy family and has a net worth of eight figures. He takes three day weekends to Vegas at least once a month, and is always asking me to come with him and doesn't understand when I say I can't. He's a good guy, he just genuinely does not understand there are people in America who can't afford to fly to Vegas and blow five or six figures at the blackjack table every other weekend like he does.This is who these people are. They literally don't get that not everyone has what they have.
>>536404762I made $120k last year and still can't get a gf.
>>536404872same hereit would take me 3 months at minimum wage to make what i make in a year from welfareour government decided we don't need doctors anymore, so they stopped hiring them, resulting in me waiting years for a family doc so i can be approved for disability. if i could go out and work even part time i would
>>536405937>$140K plus benefitsSpecial Agent?
>>536405253oh anon
>>536406196yeah those numbers look pretty good to me. ygmi>>536406347seems its not about the money
H. here. This is just sad. Pops and I stole millions and I spend my days fucking dick sucking nigger tranny whores in the ass. Life is good patriots. H. Dark Maga
>>536406461>seems its not about the moneyWomen are liberated and only fuck broke Chads now. I guess I can just dry my tears with my cash and fuck hookers in Eastern Europe.
>>536405107Americans need to own a car in order to have a jobEvery job application has the "do you have reliable transportation" question
>>536404762that's pretty decent here
>>536405273How? I'm living super poorly and mine is 8500€.
>>536404762rogan spends that much a month on cigars. trump should confiscate his wealth and send it to israel. teach that bald fuck to keep out of politics.
>>536406799if Trump was so based
>>536406438Nah (((scientist))) (I'm not jewish but this field is)You guys should try not being retarded. It's seriously not hard to make $75K+ if you're not a fucking stupid nigger.
>>536406387>resulting in me waiting years for a family docwe're in the same situation, along with half of NB. but i am glad that we dont need much to live quite happily on. it seems like people waste so much money on stuff and i can tell what standards are like from the quality of stuff i find thrown out and given away. so much money just frittered away.
>>536404971>Take people out of the average and the average changes No shit
>child tax credit 2500 x 4>PFD $1000 x5>free medical>too many assets for food stamps sadly but food banks>no debt>unvaxxed>uncut>Untested>Unemployed>unextracted
You need a net worth of at least 10 mil and income of 500k (per person, not household) to afford the basics like Olive Garden and Costco
>>536404762i was making $21k at 19 at a shit warehouse job
>>536405940Nigger, I drive 30 miles to get to work in an F250 Ive owned for 5 years now. You need reliable transportation in America to have a job
>>536407326must be costing $25 or so each day just for the gas.
>>536405107>first, there's no income tax at that level.wrong, you still have to pay 12% even at the lowest bracket>average apartment is $1200, but you can probably find something a lot cheaper.I looked for apartments in Florida, and the only listings in the entire state which were available for under $1200 are basically on-campus university dorms for students, and I don't think non students are even allowed to live in those. >leaving $500 a month for food or $125 a week. I spend $80 a week on food and I splurge.Yes, you can make $12/day work if you cook for yourself>the remainder is for internet.Gas, insurance, maintenance for your car... phone service, heat/water/electricity bills, and then you have things you need to live like shampoo, cleaning supplies, laundry detergent, paper towels, etc. >>536405557You're telling people to get cheap apartments, but cheap apartments are the ones that are far away from all the jobs. So you can't simultaneously live in the cheap apartments and be within walking/biking distance to your work. You really sound like someone who has no clue and no experience in life probably still living with your parents and letting them pay your bills for you.
>>536407527>wrong, you still have to pay 12% even at the lowest bracketwho does? the US has a $15K USD federal deduction at the moment. maybes its changed over the years.
>>53640586030k € after all taxes here per year, minus 9600 € per year for the housing, so really around 21k € per year for food and leisure (55€ to 60€ per day everyday for leisure and food).But I have healthcare + 100% mutual insurance + a car (for work as a Tech) above that.I'm in the middle working class I guess.A I survived a blood cancer, thanks to healthcare...
>>536404762Full-time working people do not make less than 20k/yr. The average of 30k/year is including part-time workers and gibsniggers and neets and shit and they only say that to make the average bottom-level wagie feel better about themselves and not revolt.Long as you work full time, even if you worked at McDicks for min wage you'd make over 20k/year.15/hr at 40 hours a week is over 30k gross, and you dont have to pay much taxes that low of income so you keep most of that.Average working person across the whole country is probably like 25/hr these days so thats like 52k. Though that average is probably mostly derived from meeting in the middle between min wagies and upper-working to lower-middle class which ranges from probably about 50k-120k household, which together with wagies makes up the mahority of working people. Then middle class + which is pretty much now defined as 6 figures household income at least to make middle class, but esp with inflation in the last few years you probably gotta be 150k+ household to be able to live a middle-class lifestyle as we traditionally think of it. Maybe even more, it's getting kinda ridiculous honestly. Anyway my point is that the 20k-30k/yr average, whetever that comes from, only really exists because of so many nonworking olds and beet epudemic and welfare culture etc. and is a cope spread by some kikes somewhere so that wagies feel like other people work for as little as they do. Don't accept it. Put your balls on Goldberg's desk and tell him you want a raise or you're going elsewhere.
>>536407073Exactly. That's why the average wage is closer to 30k
>>536406287I hope this post is true, it'd be nice to believe the bulk of rich fucks are actually just ignorant and not malicious.
>>536408502Do you include housing +healthcare + a car in those 30k ?
If you're a white american male and cannot find a way to make $100,000 a year somehow in this country, you are functionally retarded and should be sterilized.
>>536405107wow living by scraping by!!! meanwhile boomers were making that from the summer break job in high school and with a paid off car and house. KYS you fucking slave
>>536408610a lot of it is just what you're used to. i have neighbors that earn around $100K leafbucks a year, which is not crazy money by north american standards, but the level of spending and waste i see is bizarre to me, yet perfectly normal to them. i see no reason why people making 6-7 figures a year, with total wealth measured in 7-8 figures, wouldnt be the same way.
You’re not meant to live off the 20k salary you’re supposed to build off it. If you took everything away guys like me, Joe and Elon then gave us 20k, we’ll be back on top in less than a year. We just have that mentality.
...and 1 Tomahawk missile costs 1.500k...That's a 50 years income for one 30k guy...
>>536404818Yeah but the average is skewed by a few high earning individuals. If you take out the top 10 people in the US, the average drops to like $40k. If you take out the top 1000 people, the average drops to $30k
>>536409081how do dat?
>>536409081Coffeezilla interviewed a guy who attempted to do that. He was convinced that he could, in a few months, rise from the streets and make millions. So he stored all his money away, and went homeless. His fortunes were greatly assisted by the fact that someone randomly gave him a place to live for free. Although after about 7 months, he was getting nowhere. He called it quits because of "health problems". When, remember, an average person can't do that. Boomer fantasy falls apart when confronted with reality
>>536407073Outliers do skew the average and make it meaningless. Removing them is the correct way to fix it.
>>536404762He also thought that indians and africans live on 1000$ a month. The list of embarrasing things this blockhead has said is endless.
>>536409507Defense contractors are scammers. They mark everything up 10 or 20 fold. The government doesn't care because they're also lobbyists
>>536406287This. John McCain famously said during his Presidential bid that Middle Class Americans had an income of 500k a year.
>>536407073This economy works for about 1000 people who sit at the top. For almost everyone else, it's a nightmare. There are basically 2 classes.You can see this if you've ever seen charts of income. It looks like a bell curve, but there's randomly a huge "bulge" at the top end, where there's this big group od people earning absurd levels of income disconnected from the greater society.If you remove them, and look at medians instead, it's significantly different
>>536404818Average, not median you retard
>>536409810>an average person can't do that.to be fair, no one was saying average people can do that. Theres no doutbt though that if you have a place to stay taken care of, its many many times easier to get going, even ifyou have to start with the crapest jobs before you can build up to the next step.
>>536409810>When, remember, an average person can't do that.Average Americans can absolutely ACK over poverty and health issues. It's a God given Right being exercised by a substantial number of broke farmers hereabouts.
>>536404818You're so fucking stupid I wish I could strangle people like you. You fucking neet faggot.
There's NO WAY to survive on anything under 30k after tax
>>536408610It's not as bad morally but in practice it's functionally the sameIf you have two rich shits in public office, and one looks at a program designed to help low income families and says "I'm going to cut this because fuck them poors" and votes to eliminate it while the other says "Well, I don't use it and no one I know uses it, I guess people don't really need it. We should cut it and save the money so we can lower taxes, that'll help people" and votes to eliminate it, the outcome is the same.
>>536405107>average apartment rent is $1200HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Who's gonna tell him? Hahahahaha.
>>536404818pfffft you fucking wish
>>536410108It's a bit more than a thousand, we've reached 1000 actual billionaires. There's a large # of centi-millionaires and higher (though still a tiny % of the populace overall). And a financial service system dedicated to shielding them from taxes and other inconveniences.
>>536404818>averagenow check out the median>>536405107>$1700 a month>average apartment is $1200the avg place is over $1700 meaning negative money left>>536405253140k anon here
>>536410182>even ifyou have to start with the crapest jobs before you can build up to the next step.Can you? Doesn't work like that. To be honest, nobody really gets advanced or promoted up the food chain these days without knowing someone who makes it happen for them. Most of the economy is totally fake anyway, these jobs are not actually productive. So yeah you get friends-of-friends getting hired.Ask anyone. Every job usually has 1 person doing all the work, and 20 people sitting around pretending.
>>536410243sure is. the main way is to either live with your parents for low rent or already own your house outright. in either of those two cases its pretty simple.
>>536410287Apartment rent is about that where I am at, the poor-ass end of N.E. Missouri.
>>536404762>Totally out of touch retard says retarded things Not surprised
>>536404818This is insanely deflated by the 1% who's annual income is in the billions.
>>536404762NUTS????
We still haven't recovered when Biden cancelled all the gas contracts and then oil prices went through the roof, even worse thn today.
>>536410481Inflated*
>>536405253I do double that and I live in Portugal kek
>>536410374>Can you? Doesn't work like that.did for me. started working lowest end agricultural, saved that for a couple seasons then invested in a good training course that got me into much higher earning work that wasn't seasonal. im not necessarily talking about promotions within a single company or industry
>>536410420Yeah & I'm gonna take a really wild guess that there aren't many job opportunities in impoverished middle of nowhere Missouri
>>536405253I make 173 and pay 3k in rent lol
>>536410501Entire global economy went into a tailspin, America's because Trumpy handed the emergency response to the Governors and hid in his office tweeting.Joe's recovery was the envy of the globe.Here you go little guy.
>>536404762I make $33k, which is next to nothing I know, but it's extra shit because I'm just over the edge of qualifying for like all gibs and freebie programs. No energy assistance, SNAP, etc. for rich ol' me apparently.
>>536410583I make about $28 an hour plus benefits working at a plant.Single, I have no money problems.
>>536404762I do, but i also get gibs from guvermint to go 24k
>>536410404>u can survive on $1 a month if you're parents are millionaires xD
>>536407073No the average person is not an entry/mid level engineer
>>536405937Broke as a joke.Some of us aren't meant to make it.
im a neet its simple i live within my means ride a bike, walk dont eat out and do random dumb shit like bowling its rather easy the only thing you miss out on by making less money is having a massive mcmansion, and being able to go to sportsball games and out to the bar everyday but whats the point of doing that anyways if you need to wage the next day. i have 20k saved up zero debt have a car i can also live in if i want to go somewhere like a national park or whatever like lord forbid i cant spend a 100 bucks on mcdonalds everyday
>>536410648pro-tip: live off welfare and work on black market like the others
>>536410648Elon Musk has $700 billion.If he spent a measly $10 million/year, he would run out of money in 70,000 years, longer than all of human civilization. Him and his descendants will be wealthy for thousands of years.Ask yourself whether that makes sense. I mean sure he innovated a bit. But is what he did worth a trillion? Is his value-add to society really enough to justify his descendant 1000 years from now being lord of the land?
>>536410943I'm not black, nor have a litter of children, nor am I a crackhead, so no welfare for my single, white ass.
>>536406196Nice AI photo.
>>536410742you said theres "NO WAY' and i told you a couple very possible ways. you didnt like that so you had to exaggerate in retaliation. im fortunate to own my place and haven't worked in several years, living on about $10k USD a year (with family), so im not bullshitting you.now im sure everyone will accuse me of living in a hovel and staving my kids etc, when in reality we live like a lot of /pol/ guys would like to live. Frugality doesn't have to mean poverty.
I earn 55K euro a year but I only spend about 20K.Rest just goes into my investment account.I honestly don't know what to spend money onSure I could buy a nice car or something but then what?How do people even spend 40K+ per year without just wasting money?
>>536410960if you can produce stuff that lots of people are willing to pay you for, and then be clever with the money you make, you too can be worth silly money on paper. its really that simple. i cant, but i dont begrudge those that can.
>>536404762Interview with Joe Rogan!>"Yeah, so you basically play the same video games for over half a decade, especially the ones that are free to play, you wear the same shit every year, you don't go anywhere or do anything, and you basically never spend money on anything except what you need."*laugh track*End interview!
>>536404818The median personal income is 36k/y. The median price of sold houses is 416k. A 416k home on a 20 year mortgage (lol, I'm being generous to you here with a 20 year) totals to 724k and would cost 100% of the median annual income each year. It's untenable. Average age of the first time homebuyer hit 40 last year. Why do you even try to deny how fucked this whole situation is?
>>536411337This society doesn't reward intelligence or innovation. It reward religious-preacher types, like Mr. Beast, who can sell, sell, sell. Mark Cuban doesn't know anything about technology. He doesn't even know math or science. He just knows how to "get the sale".We don't even produce things here. It's a consumer economy. The ultimate currency is of the mind, whether you can convince people to dump their money on some consumer good. So it rewards these shifty, shady, lying type guys. All these guys have a "big personality" which is their main selling point. Kevin O'Leary, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, they know how to work the media and present an image. But he actual inventor? He might make $10 million. The shady fraudster investor/saleman type? He gets $10 billion
>>536411586ok, i'll let you know when i see something several times a day that your company produces.
>>536404818Average means literally nothing lmao. You've never taken a stats class have you?The MEDIAN income is lower today then it was 20 years ago. Lower than 40k which means half of people make less than that btw
>>536404762I live entirely on autismbux, roughly 14k a year, don’t pay rent so I have money left over each month that I spend frivolously
>median American salary is like $50k/year>median American salary on /pol/ is $130k/year
>>536404818you're a special kind of idiot. nice work! at least you're good at something.
>>536404762>Doesn't he know that most people in the USA make less than $21k a year?LOL what kind of nigger mind believes this?
>>536411825Did Kevi OLeary invent AI? Does he even know how it works? AI has been in the works from grad student, to programmer, to innovator, to developer.Those people made some money off it, maybe even some millions. But in the end, the person running the data centers will be Kevi OLeary, this guy who doesn't know anything about AI. Is that efficient? Should our society be placing someone with absolutely 0 knowlege of AI in charge of the data centers? Shouldn't it be the best software engineer? Nope. Once again, it's one of these grifting, lying salesman types whose ensconsend in the billionaire class who reaps the reward for something he didn't invent, and doesn't even understand.
>>536412008>what is selection bias
>>536411333Give it to me fellow dutch
>>536412037Anyone who believes in trickle down economics
>>536412089dont know anything about him or what you're talking about in this example so cant comment. but i doubt that he's forcing anyone to give him money.
>>536411333ask myself the same thing anon. what i do see people buy are small offroad vehicles that cost $40k, new snow mobiles that cost almost the same, endless new shit that gets discarded not long later, big trucks etc etc. it must be all this kind of shit that keeps money flowing around.
>>536412362His value-add is his media presence. That's what he's profiting from.He got rich in the dotcom bubble, selling worhtless software which became worh $0 the moment the bubble crashed. Fro. There he started rubbing shoulders with the billionaire class, doing whatever grift was fashionable at the moment. Doing a hedge fund, doing some shitty popup stores, Trump steaks, whatever. All of his businesses were wracked with lawsuits as he's a complete scam artist.Once he got the Shark Tank show, now he could leverage his celebrity to sell brand-name products. Suddenly his businesses were doing well. I guess getting a national TV show piped into every US household has that effect. So his whole life has been one greasy grift after another. The datacenter thing is just the newest grift. I'm sure someone at a party told him, this is the new thing, all the billionares are getting on board, so he jumped on the bandwagon. How did this grifting lying perso , who knows nothing and produced nothing, advance so much in society?Through tribalism. People are not rational, they respond to media, they respond to trends. They are not rational calculators, they are made to be swindled.We evolved for small tribes with social trust. Kevin O Leary betrays that trust, for a profit. He wins, everyone else loses. Then he gives a sermon about how he "earned this" and how he's better than you.
>>536412229Or most of you just lie, pretty simple.
>>536406196yeah i have about 6k at all times and thats it again, im making under 32k unless my job gets busier
>>536412768i'd have to look into to be sure. are there grifters around? sure. not much you can do about it really until they start getting a generally bad reputation and/or legal attention. the money he gets is handed over voluntarily remember.
>>536412967whats your sample size? you need to be logical about this.
>>536412967Or you’re salty and don’t consider selection bias because you’re so mad
>>536405205What if you get sick?
>>536408120i live in a heckin city smack dab bit of a tumble type situation 90k—>30krent+ all bills is like 2300i make around 3200/month now what’s healthcare, i haven’t seen a doctor in a decade but i also have never had to i have enough money saved up to survive getting fired for 2 months. cest la vie
They aren't living off of 20,000 a year. They are living off of about 60,000 a year but we make up the rest through me being taxed and paying for phones, heating, electricity, housing, food, healthcare, drug supplies ect. I pay for the government stuff.
>>536404762You guys told me you were all making >100k/year !!!
>>536404818Now remove the top 0.1%Then the top 1%For a laugh remove the top 10%
>>536413144Mark Cuban, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, there's hundreds more. This is an entire class of people. They have their own neighborhoods, their own social circles. They all sit around and discuss their next grift, or what the next big trend in society will be. They're ensonsed in the political system, so they never absorb losses, the taxpayer does. All of these billionaires have some scam they're running. - The Mars family's addictive candy products- The Walton family's regional monopolys- Michael Bloomberg's market frontrunning scam- Elon Musk getting in on the groundfloor of startups They all have some method of subverting free market processes to make themselves unnatural levels of wealth
>>536413534seems you just have a problem with the owners of companies making money, in which case i have no time for your bullshit.
>>536413759The free market works when human beings are "rational calculators", and have an environment of perfect competition.If you can find instances in society where humans behave irrationally, you can make unnatural levels of wealth totally beyond your value-add to society. Like selling drugs. Humans buying drugs are driven by irrational cravings, they can't control themselves.Or if you can monopolize something, that's another way. Look at how Walmart monopolized overseas supply chains.In the case of these billionaire grifters, they largely take advantage of people's tribalism. People are programmed to act as small tribal units. You can hack into that, through mass media, and drive trends. Someone like Mark Cuban made his entire fortune this way.My point is that when you do this, when you short circuit people's rational mind, the money you make is no longer proportional to the value you produced. It's extremely inflated. It's not even really possible for a human being to produce a billion dollars of value of he worked his fingers to the bone his whole life, yet people are making billions in their 30's and 40's. They all have some grift they're running. Parasiting in some manner or another.
>>536404971The median household income is $83k.
>>536414184'rational' just means what make sense for the individual in their situation. thats all. if people are giving some showman lots of money then it makes sense to them to do so, regardless of if it makes sense to an outside observer. at the end of the day, none of these people are using violence to extract the money that people give them. they are either providing services, promising returns on the investment or some combo. >t's not even really possible for a human being to produce a billion dollars of value of he worked his fingers to the bone his whole life,and this is an entirely silly way of looking at value. its not about the labor you can do with your own two hands - its about the value of the idea you have, the system it can create, and how many people want to use it for an agreed upon fee....at least in the case of something like Amazon or some other thing that gets bazillions of people the things they want and come asking for. i know a bit more about spacex for example, which is one that i see much bitching about, if you want to complain about elon some more.
>>536404971Plus theres the gender pay gap that some of us have to deal with
>>536404762This is why most high income bracket individuals are left leaning, because it's more compassionate to assume everyone in a lower income bracket is fucked & that we need to increase taxes & benefits to alleviate their hardship than having some out of touch "let them eat cake" bootstraps assumption like neocons do.
>>536404818Median income for a 2 person family is 80 meaning both are making about 40k. The average 30yo with a college degree is making 46k, the average 30yo is making 37k. After taxes you get raped.Actually taxes are very interesting to me because the government stole about 7000 bucks from me when I reviewed the tax code, it's funny that thy know they're stealing from me but still make me do my own taxes.
>>536415539>it's funny that thy know they're stealing from me but still make me do my own taxes.yeah that was new to me coming here from the UK. you have to spend time and effort submitting your taxes? interesting. im not sure which way is better though because they'd only increase taxes even more to pay them for doing it for us i assume.
>>536404762This is why MEDIAN is superiorAge Median Income20 $19,000.0025 $41,150.0030 $52,002.0035 $60,000.0040 $61,970.0045 $67,144.0050 $65,000.0055 $63,350.0060 $62,001.0065 $70,001.0070 $63,455.0075 $61,440.00https://dqydj.com/average-median-top-income-by-age-percentiles/Ihis might include only those who are employed full time I'm not really sure and I don't feel like figuring it out good luck /pol/
>>536404762i'm living off $11k a year with a CS degree from top university
>>536404818Average is mixed with billionaires and throws it off. The median is like $30,000 a year.
>>536405253My VA disability makes me 54k a year without even working.
>>536416175how do you do it? own you home?
>>536416224maybe for dipshits with no college degree or skills. I don't know anyone in their 30's making less than 75k a year. 30k is a burger flippers salary.
>>536416496I’m 33 and was only making around 40k a year until last month.Lots of people end up with shitty jobs and end up staying there
>>536416567That's sad, you're middle aged now you should be making close to 6 figures. Where I live 40k a year doesn't even get you more than a 1 bedroom apartment and a shitty toyota. People need to try harder in life.
>>536404762I don't know what the average US salary is but that David Wilcock guy who offed himself the other month claimed that he made $250,000 a year and that it was barely enough for him to survive on. This was a guy who took donations and scammed money from people who were probably living in trailers. They are completely out of touch.
>>536417181>claimed that he made $250,000 a year and that it was barely enough for him to survive onsounds like he was a giant retard who can't do math lol
I'm 33. I make this every two weeks. I own a 2 bed 2 bath home, mortgage paid off 5 years ago, and am pretty comfortable. There is no way I could make it off $21k and maintain my current standard of living. I don't think $41k would be enough.
>>536404762Are you fucking retarded OP? If you are actually this fucking retarded no wonder you make less than 21k a year you aren't worth 10
>>536417235It's just what he'd become used to. He lived in a million dollar mansion and gave millions to a scam aerospace company. A lot of rich people wouldn't be able to cope if they suddenly became much poorer. In some ways it's better to be poor all of your life than to go from being rich to poor.
>>536417764yeah people born rich have literally no concept of the struggles of the average person unless they're particularly well read, and even then, they don't understand the emotional gravity of what it's like to barely keep your head above water.even if a poor person becomes rich, they only remember what it's like to be poor for about a decade. the time makes them forget. they socialize with people who were born rich, and assimilate into the rich culture. that's why it's scary to have your society beholden to rich people.
US median individual (not household) income is less than $40k after taxes.The US scores highly on averages because of the one percenters, but median tells the story
>>536417235he was a UFO thing grifter who over extended himself because he thought the grift would never end
>>536404818You only get 20k of 50k take home pay/spend on daily life pay because the average American rent costs 30k a year ...2,500$x12mths=30k
>>536418552and?
>>536404762I get like $18k gibsmedats a year and neet just fine.
>>536418552You could sleep under a bridge if you really want to.
>>536404762I live off around $1,000 a year, and no benefits or insurance. It is far, far better than (((working))).
>>536418705Because the OP is talking about living off 20k a year which is exactly how much you do really make if your also making the 50k the guy I replied to mentioned. Use your brain pal.Also one thing everyone here is forgetting to mention is that a huge section of the male workforce never went to college so they are stuck under 50k a year in jobs that average about 35k plus a year so they are literally unable to even afford a apartment by themselves without getting a partner to split bills with or finding a ghetto shithole apartment far from work that still costs 1,600$+ a month.
>>536419036>Because the OP is talking about living off 20k a yearyeah, rent would have to be included in that.
>>536418765Ya it's so easy pal just live under a bridge and hold a job at the same time that will totally work out fine bro. Your gf will love it ,even live in family will really enjoy the view under the bridge to its spectacular.
>>536418838Explain how
>>536419305hes just lying lol
>>536419305>>536419397I live with my parents and that is about the amount of money they give to me through the year, including birthday and holidays.
>>536419143Literally impossible it's not something that you can do in America while simultaneously having a steady place to live that's not with family.Rogan is just to stoned to know what he's saying.If we went back 10-15 years and average rent was 1000 dollars it's possible since you would have 8k left yearly. BUT today in America the lowest rent your getting that's not from family is 1500 a month(maybe studio is cheaper tho).Still at that rate you would have to not pay your electric bill possibly gas, water, and not pay for a single extra thing and you would still be nearly starving to death year round.
>>536419585i thought it was over 18s only here.i couldnt live off that little anywhere in the world without help., and ive tried
>>536419585Okay so you are not living off $1000 in any real sense. I miss living with my parents while on gibsmedats, was peak.>>536419397He could have been homeless and spent all his money on food, only remaining question being browsing /pol/
>>536404762In my current situation, that would support me for so many years. It would be life-changing, yet I'd probably reject it, because it feels like dirty money somehow in this context. If it wasn't, then I'd be in a good place as far as resources are concerned.
>>536404971BASED
>>536419714I'm 35 bro.>>536419739I definitely am in the sense that everything beyond food and a place to sleep comes from the $1k.
>>536420522Are you retarded or pretending?
>>536420522spowhats the deal?
>>536405107>first, there's no income tax at that level.Everyone replying to this literal retarded child seriously is a moron.
>>536420522>>536420650He's pretending
>>536421000clearly. only a special few can have both that life AND internet access.
>>536404762that's nuts
>>536406933>I'm not jewish but this field isThat makes you jewy by transitive property. Sorry dude, I don't make the rules
>>536420865i reply to them sometimes to contradict them and post truths for the other anons and lurkers. this thread is already 180+ though so why bother. these losers show up and try to claim that you can live a life worth living on $1700/month plus EBT and Medicaid. its just disingenuous bad advice which they give, and most of the time theyre flat out fucking lying about their circumstances too. the zogbots like this >>536416353 are the only ones who get enough to live well but that comes at the cost of selling your soul by being willing to die for israel
>>536421606DID SOMEONE SAY NUTS?
>>536404762still haven't watched a single slopcast
>>536404762Brainlets can seethe all they want ITT but the average American makes far more than $21k a year, even if you removed billionaires/the 1% from the equation
>>536404944Doesn’t changeI make 1.5 after tax and I dont feel wealthy by any means
>>536410211Kys wageslave
>>536405107Jump into traffic face first
>>536404944Same. I don’t even need out. 100 K in 2026 is the same as 40 K in the year 2000. That’s the hidden fist of the Jew, fisting you. Fucking coin clippers.
>>536422025I go nuts watching these things take a dirt napFCUK squirrel lovers, monke too.
>>536404818even $20 an hour take home after tax is about $27000
You are pretty damn lucky if you make more than 30k a year after taxes/insurance/other shit, capitalism is just another name for communism.
>>536405107>just eat rice and wear plastic bro
>>536406181Failure of white governance is why there are still ghettos in 2026.
>>536405107>first, there's no income tax at that level.I just looked it up and if you are under 65 and single the minimum threshold is $15,750. So your premise is already wrong. Yeah you won't be paying that much at that level but it still exists.
>>536411466I wonder how many homeowners these days have a single income though. /pol/ hates this because boomers didn’t need two incomes and working spouses lower the fertile rate. Both of those are true but also irrelevant to modern home owning
>>536405107>average apartment is $1200, but you can probably find something a lot cheaper.delicious ragebait
>>536407926I don't know, but you still have to pay FICA and any state and local income tax. For me, working 22 hours per week, earning $11/hour, I don't pay any income tax (I live with parents). But I think you start paying it at like $9K.
>>536405557Your abrasive non-sequitir is an admission of defeat.
People seriously need to learn to cook. If you're in this thread genuinely struggling look up "simple/frugal rice cooker meals".I'm in a position that i can eat like a fat pig everyday but i personally got disgusted by the excess, i can turn .20 cents of rice, some spices, a bullion cube and frozen peas into a delicious meal that keeps you full all day.Throw in some basic wholemeal pasta recipes, rolled oat recipes and there is no reason to be spending >$2,000 a year on food unless you're inept.Same goes for walking. Every time i mention walking in a thread the fat fucking americans jump out from every angle and tell me how it is physically impossible for them to live without a car. They're so psychologically damaged you may as well think of every american you see in a thread that even slightly mentions cars as a big fat black nigger eating 3 containers of that pineapple kool-aid. Just walk more. It's great.
I just got chewed out from my company for only bringing in $19k for the month of May when I always pull $34k/month on average. All that to basically earn take home $4k a month. Basically im a broken man. They got all they could from me now they want to toss me and I have nothing to show for it.
>>536422895>Same goes for walking. Every time i mention walking in a thread the fat fucking americans jump out from every angle and tell me how it is physically impossible for them to live without a carIt's because you can't exist without a car. Most employers want you to have a car. Where I live, you cannot use the bus effectively. I also live in an area where it's hilly and the roads often are on literal cliffs with NO sidewalks. It's easy to not have a car in Los Angeles or Seattle or New York, but for the rest of us, even in other cities, you need a car.
>>536422895>learn to eat nutritionally devoid carbslop to stay a skinnyfat blob me!uhh, no?
>>536422608Honestly, most are NEVER going to own a house because you need dual incomes. And how stable is that? If just one of you gets laid off, you lose your house...
>>536423307He's a fucking ausfaglian, of course he doesn't get it.>durr australia same size as da us!99% uninhabited, everyone in aus lives in walkable urban areas. Without niggers, too.
>>536407073Throwing out outliers is how you get good data.Yes, the unemployed should not be included in wage evaluations.The only problem is most fuckwits don't know the criteria for determining outliers.
>>536404762And then Shepherd said "The plan is: we kill Roach and Ghost, throw them in a pit, pour gasoline over their dead bodies and set it on fire with a cigar".
>>536405253ive never even met someone who makes over $30k but i'm from inbred redneck appalchaicia
>>536423401>99% uninhabited, everyone in aus lives in walkable urban areas. Without niggers, too.I knew an Aussie on Discord that could take a TRAIN to see other Aussies from Discord. Australian University students also get paid apparently, to go to college.
>>536408831>If you're a white american male and cannot find a way to make $100,000 a year somehow in this country, you are functionally retarded and should be sterilized.no, its that nobody likes me. theyre scared of me and think im a serial killer. my iq is 140
>>536410534america's statistics are like china's: faked. everyone is poor as fuck here in most of the country
>>536423483It's literally insane. I see Dollar Tree positions starting at $9/hour. Hell, I WISH more jobs around here paid $15/hour. No, Walmart is the only place that I can work at that would pay me $16/hour starting though (I don't have le years of experience that other employers for other jobs want).
>>536423454https://youtu.be/9SRL__ZJgsg?si=7AfTnr-WkL_ajl5j"Loose ends" I wonder if the cigar was cuban.
>>536423675>Be Euro>Whine about Europe >Wah, the taxes are too high>Meanwhile, in reality, they end up only being like 5% more than American taxes >Only paying $100 per month for transportation while Americans have to have a car (a liability) which eats up like $800/month>Only paying $700/month for rent>The "ugly" women there are considered 6/10's in the US>The weather is nicer than some shithole in Kansas
>>536404818Nu/pol/ is always wrong because its full of the failed outliers of society.
>>536405107You can't rent that $1,200 apartment because they demand that you make 3 times the rent or else you can't live there.
>>536405756>wild
>>536410108dont worry anon, you're speaking to a retard who wants to larp like he makes a lot of money
>>536406287This is true but there's another type of rich person who thinks in the opposite direction and that the average person makes 590$ a month and lives off eating rats
>>536405107>sales tax blocks your pathnothing personnel kiddo
>>53640476220k a year is more than enough to live as long as you have everything paid off (house, car, etc)
>>536406287I heard him talk once about how he was a security guard making $9 an hour when a huge brawl broke out, so he put on his hoodie and left, citing the fact that $9 an hour wasn't enough to risk your life over. That was back in the 90s. There's motherfuckers still making close to $9 an hour today.He had Joey Diaz on his podcast talking about shoveling snow back in the 80s for $15 an hour, which would be just piles of fucking money if you did the inflation (actual inflation) calculation. There's guys now FORTY YEARS LATER still making $15 an hour shoveling snow. The government exists to serve Israel and it's killing everyone else.
>>536407073The wealth disparity between the rich and the average is so cast that taking out the 1% right side outliers on the graph makes a comically gigantic change to the averageAlso you're a faggot .
>>536413358his country uses tax to pay for healthcare and such, not trying to be a cunt either. they make less but they don't spend as much on things like that
>>536407073yeah nigger the guy working at Dollar General as a homeless teen deserves to be represented more than the kikes living off of interest rates because there's more of him than themNuke Israel twice
>>536424224Median income for around my demographic is only $62K. That's including college graduates, you know. Even WITHOUT student loans, that's literally a bare minimum living wage in a lot of areas of the US. Imagine with student loans (which I don't have).>>536424899Yeah, but most people don't have the capital to buy anything outright, so they need loans with interest. The cost of living of a richfag can actually be LOWER than the cost of living of a poorfag.>>536424907Fucking exactly. Pic related.
>>536422895telling people to learn how to cook is the dumbest advice imaginable. here’s a guy who supposedly spent years perfecting his craft to become one of the greatest chefs in the world… https://youtu.be/BvRRsIlDwfUMURDERING a burger. making a way worse burger than my father who grew up eating chef boyardee would make.
aliens need to probe Rogan's anus good and hard
>>536425211Also just for the record, it's literally illegal now for a security guard to walk off their shift. That would be a serious crime, for real, if you did that today. You have to notify people and get covered. If someone gets beaten to death by a nigger while you're supposed to stand there and say "sir plz stahp" you could be held liable.Probably just another way the job is worse today.The real problem with wages is the shock value. Yes, the minimum wage today SHOULD be over $100 an hour if you take into account how much people could buy for a single dollar just 40 years ago. But Boomers cannot or will not comprehend this fact, in their mind $100 is still "a lot" of money
>>536404762I'm living off 24k right now. I'm ahead of the curve
>>536424907>He had Joey Diaz on his podcast talking about shoveling snow back in the 80s for $15 an hour, which would be just piles of fucking money if you did the inflation (actual inflation) calculation. There's guys now FORTY YEARS LATER still making $15 an hour shoveling snow.We basically have effectively no minimum wage. Sure it's $7.25/hour and some states have it higher, but most states still don't. A worker today can be born the year that the minimum wage was last raised.If we raised it, then everyone would probably get a raise.My consensus is that because of globalization and competition from 3rd worlders from warm, tropical countries with walkable cities and public transportation, Americans will continue to lose jobs and have their wages further DROP (I don't mean just because of inflation, I mean actually DROP).The best solution is to GTFO the US before those said warm tropical countries realize that Americans are poor and miserable as fuck and restrict our immigration there.
>>536421881Honestly it's enough to live on, but what's cool is that I can qualify for a ton of benefits on the state level since they don't consider my VA income a part of my income at all, so I am only paying 240 for insurance in California for the whole year and not paying registration on my truck which is over 1000 dollars, I don't pay tolls, and my college is essentially free. I even qualify for food stamps while making 54000, so it's solid.
>>536425674you deserve it for being a vet, unironically. even forced to fight ZOG wars, you stuck your neck out
>>536424907>>536425211>>536425473For example, my girlfriend is from a 3rd world country where a minimum wage worker makes $300/month. But even THERE, the minimum wage is enough to live on if you budget very tightly, or it's ALMOST enough to live on. Professionals make 3-4 times that...That's when I realized that people from countries like that are going to be the actual wealth ones in the next 15 years.
>>536405253Lol I make way more than 30k
>>536405253Speak for yourself, fag. I made 300k last year and gonna be more this year
>>536405107>I dont need a car>I dont need insurance >I dont need gas or electric >I dont need a vacation
>>536425211>Yeah, but most people don't have the capital to buy anything outright, so they need loans with interest.that's the real problem everyone should be addressing. usury must be banned, any interest must be capped at no more than 1%. my bank doesn't even pay out that much for holding my money in savings account. there is one simple solution that will fix all these problems in the world but many won't like it; TKD!
>>536404762I've been living off of just a bit more than that for the last six years. Someone should kill and eat Joe Rogan on film.
>>536409665By taking risks. I just took out a 40k loan at 9% interest and I'm dumping it all on safe dividend stocks while I use the added money on my portfolio to increase my buying offer power using leverage by 80,000$ which I then put entirely on risky but risk capped put spreads Go big or go home
>>536404818Fpbp. I just looked it up. Median household is over 80k. My household makes 350k and I would consider myself far from rich.
>>536409810If I remember right he actually got far and had some businesses lined up and was on the verge of winning the challenge when he gave up.
>>536404762Surely the solution is more niggers and other disgusting brown things that we'll pretend are human. Fucking retards pissing me off more and more when they pretend like browns are human.
>>536426084i kinda figured something like that. the risks you take be determined by how smart you is in the end. same in life with all things really.
>>536426084Correct, the only way off the plantation is gambling
>>536404971>just change the data to fit my needsno
>>536405253Lol speak for yourself faggot. I pay more in taxes then you make in a year.
>>536404872>>536406387you poos need to leavethis is an american thread dumbassestake your welfare asses back to the land of poop
>>536405107>average apartment is $1200Holy fucking kek, this almost guarantees you'll be living around niggers/crackheads and almost certainly will get killed/robbed
the stupid chatbot forgot to factor a) they have to spend money to live throughout that periodb) its post-christcucked jewish occupied america, theres no such thing as "savings" - the average american has less than 300$ in savings, and has even more than that in debt. all because some christcuck handed jews control of the money supply. jewGPT wont mention that fact though.
>>536427104just dont buy shit off amazon and you wont get robbedjust dont say the n word and you wont get killedniggers arent robbing people in the projects unless theyre other niggers, theyre going to the jewish district like everyone does to take back whats theirs
>>536427061no, not at all. i've been living on savings from a good job beforehand so please dont automatically assume jeet (like an npc because you saw the flag).
>>536426084Fuck off kike
>>536405253I barely graduated highschool and I make a bit over $70k plus over $100k in stonks.
>>536410243Everything you were taxed on is returned to you if you make under like 50k in the US. The majority of people get tax credits and bullshit, they're pretty much paying zero tax already in terms of income.
>>536412008The average IQ here is 130+ and the average height is 6'8" if you go by self reporting.
>>536404818Yeah they average it between you, a poor, and the highest earner. That way they can keep you poor longer and clap like a seal
