Is the Bible real? Is it literal? Metaphorical but true? Or just fake?
It’s fictional but has cultural importance
>>536405305Read the Catechism and Church Fathers, stop seeking authoritative religious answers from random unqualified morons on 4chongz.
>>536405305>Is the Bible real? ofcourse>Is it literal? Metaphorical but true? depends on the context of the verse. sometimes things are both literal and metaphorical for example, when abraham went to sacrifice isaac, he saw a ram provided by god instead>"Abraham looked around and saw a ram caught in a bush by its horns. He went and got it and offered it as a burnt offering instead of his son."- Genesis 22:13that ram is a metaphor for the lamb of god sacrificed for our sins, who is jesus>Or just fake?some of the translations and commentaries are intentionally wrong, such as those of the scofield (zionist) bible
>>536405631you're retarded. catholics and ortho faggots need not apply. >>536405669it's either literal or not. fuck off.
>>536405305>Is the Bible real?yes.>Is it literal?some of it.>Metaphorical but true?some of it is metaphor and truth or falsity isn't measured by whether or not something is a metaphor.>Or just fake?this is cope from people that can't stop themselves from living like dogshit and refuse to accept that they are the cause of all their own problems.equivalent to "i walked into a thread about a topic i hate and now i'm mad."
>>536405942>>Is the Bible real?>yes.how did you come to this conclusion
>>536405305I think you should give it a read and decide for yourself.I'm a Christian. I think parts of it are very real and literal, but a lot of it is also metaphorical. Some of it was written by unreliable narrators.I'm not a priest or a theologian or anything; this is just my armchair opinion.
>>536405305Your eternal soul depends on whether or not you believe Jesus became flesh died for your sins and was resurrected So pretty literal fire for eternity if you dont
>>536405807nothing wrong with reading what the church fathers had to say>it's either literal or notagain, the sacrifice abraham performed was literal, as was the miracle. but it also pointed to jesus's sacrifice on the cross.here's another example:>"And as He walked by the Sea of Galilee, He saw Simon and Andrew his brother casting a net into the sea; for they were fishermen. Then Jesus said to them, “Follow Me, and I will make you become fishers of men.” They immediately left their nets and followed Him."- Mark 1:16-18this literally happened, but jesus did not make them "literal" fishers of men, as in with nets. but as in preachers, to gather men up for the kingdom of god
>>536406102first of all, logically, there is a god
>>536406102as for the old testament, there are people you can find on youtube and stuff talking about evidence of a global flood and so onbut i don't have any in particular to point you to
>>536406102as for the new testament, there are plenty of contemporary accounts. in fact, there is more written about Jesus in the one hundred years after his death than there is written about Julius Ceasar. and he first history of Cleopatra came from Plutarch and was written more than one hundred years after her death.yet nobody denies that Ceasar or Cleopatra existed.
>>536406102personally, i would also argue that the promises for christians to be blessed are also plain to seesome will say "christians conquered the planet because they were white". but the christian whites were superior to the pagan whites, as they are superior to the atheist whites today.
>>536405305True but subverted mistranslated and misinterpreted Also highly edited with whole books taken out
>>536405305it's as real as aesop's fables or the book of mormon. people believe it's real and follow its ethics so, for practical purposes, it doesn't matter if it or isn't.
My brother himself experienced a demon possesed girl, the imagery he described from her was filled with the demonic sure enough, blood, people hanging, she was scared out of her mind, literally. My brother laid his hands to pray over her, said he felt an dark opressive force.There are many other things like this all over. So consider carefully.
>>536406486>whether or not you believe Jesus became flesh died for your sins and was resurrecteddo you even understand what believe actually means? and if you actually believed this you wouldn't be here.
>lol
>>536408855so you don't think God would preserve his word?
>>536405305XNITY PRIMERhttp://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1a-9eWjZWH-6uUOcRFJ4hFsgB2vOhdZZfgoogle drive easy to use interface...read moar discern moar
>>536405305Christianity, Islam and Judaism all came from the same monotheistic religion of the one true god, the Monad. Jesus was one of the first people that truly felt and understood this. But his teachings were taken and adapted to each country individually and used as a tool of population control. The bible was written 200 years after Christ.
This :>>536405487>>536409976>so you don't think God would preserve his word?You're assuming a lot here :>Abraham's and all the prophet's transcriptions were the correct interpretation of God's spells.>The language the Prophets used was the same all along the redaction from the start to the end of the Bible.>All the texts that were added, suppressed, modified in the Bible were done in God's spirit.Etc.The Bible is important for cultural purpose.But following it strictly... nope.
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>>536405305Full text:https://archive.org/details/berossus-and-genesis-manetho-and-exodus-hellenistic-histories-and-the-date-of-thRussell Gmirkin proposes a revolutionary thesis: the entire Pentateuch (Genesis through Deuteronomy) was written in the third century BCE (specifically 273–272 BCE), rather than during the Persian or Exilic periods. Gmirkin argues that the text was collaboratively composed by jewish scholars in Alexandria, Egypt, and relies heavily on Hellenistic-era historical and geographical writings.Literary Dependence on Greek Texts: Rather than drawing on ancient Near Eastern oral traditions or early documents, the biblical authors made direct use of recently published Hellenistic histories housed in the Library of Alexandria.Genesis and Berossus: The creation, Garden of Eden, and flood narratives in Genesis 1–11 are dependent upon the Babyloniaca written by the Babylonian priest Berossus in 278 BCE.Exodus and Manetho: The Exodus story was largely written as a counter-narrative to the Aegyptiaca (History of Egypt) by the Egyptian historian Manetho (c. 285–280 BCE), which portrayed the ancestors of the jews as lepers and undesirable foreigners who were expelled from Egypt.The Table of Nations: The geographical and political data points in Genesis 10 (the Table of Nations) reflect the geopolitical realities of the early Hellenistic world rather than the second millennium BCE.The Septuagint Parallel: Gmirkin connects the authorship of the Hebrew Pentateuch to the jewish scholars traditionally credited with translating the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible) under Ptolemy II.State Sponsorship: He suggests the Bible was commissioned as an approved, foundational national literature for the jewish diaspora in Alexandria.
>>536405305its jewish
>>5364053051. it's a mix of wisdom and speculation2. which books made it into the bible is the result of political bargaining3. the Geneva Bible is the only relevant one
>>536405305It's real, but it's based on made up and embellished stories. If you are not an ignorant medieval peasant or a hopelessly immoral fool, you don’t need the fear of some made up god to force you to be a good person.
>>536412343>Geneva Bible is the only relevant oneWhy not the oldest ones ? The ones that are (for now) the closest to the source ?Picrel.
>>536412343>which books made it into the bible is the result of political bargainingthe New Testament canon was clear to eusebius and the Old Testament canon is only disputed by people who want to run with the entire hebrew literature compilation that the alexandrian community used because they didnt read hebrew while the jerusalem community kept Scripture separate from other literature
>>536405305It doesn't make much sense. It tries to first make you feel guilty for something that is not your fault, and then it tries to scare you into living a life full of suffering, so that you do it willingly and convince yourself that you like it (if you're the kind of person who can lie to yourself and actually believe it).
>>536405305its real; litteral. u just don't know what they are talking about.> aliens/ufosGenesis 1:2and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters,Exodus 13:21and Jehovah is going before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them in the way, and by night in a pillar of fire, to give light to them, to go by day and by night;Exodus 14:19And the messenger of God, who is going before the camp of Israel, journeyeth and goeth at their rear; and the pillar of the cloud journeyeth from their front, and standeth at their rear,Exodus 14:24and it cometh to pass, in the morning watch, that Jehovah looketh unto the camp of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubleth the camp of the Egyptians,>Star Signs/Astrology:Revelation 12:1And a great sign was seen in the heaven, a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars,Revelation 9:1And the fifth messenger did sound, and I saw a star out of the heaven having fallen to the earth, and there was given to it the key of the pit of the abyss,Revelation 8:10And the third messenger did sound, and there fell out of the heaven a great star, burning as a lamp, and it did fall upon the third of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters,>Aliens terraforming the earth:Genesis 1:9And God saith, `Let the waters under the heavens be collected unto one place, and let the dry land be seen:' and it is so.Genesis 1:11 And God saith, `Let the earth yield tender grass, herb sowing seed, fruit-tree (whose seed [is] in itself) making fruit after its kind, on the earth:' and it is so.> Aliens genetically engineering of mankindGenesis 1:26And God saith, `Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness,
>>536413288>its real; litteral. u just don't know what they are talking about.You understand that you've just admitted that you can interpret the Bible in whatever the ways you want it to be ... Right ?What's the purpose of a scripture if you cant be sure what it really means ?A work of art perhaps ? Or a testimony from a long gone culture ?
Yo me pregunté que tan literal es la biblia, por qué seamos honestos, algunas historias son muy locas.Al final concluí dos cosas que las biblias tienen cosas literales que si sucedieron y otras historias fantásticas que dejan reflexiones y enseñanzas, y segundo, que si no estás en la biblia Valera o directamente en el torat (no corán) prácticamente en estás se cambiaron algunos textos para mejorar la adopción del mismo, o por temas políticos y adaptaciones de lenguas en esos tiempos, por ejemplo se cree que que la resurrección de cristo fue inventada, para mejorar la adopción en una zona o región mediterránea ya que así podrían mostrar de mejor manera un Jesús triunfante que volvió victorioso!
>>536411940your slop bores us, KIKE! Begone!
>>536405487This right here. It gives us a glimpse of Messianic Judaism 2000 years ago when Rome invaded the Middle East through the eyes of the followers of Yeshua.This is a very specific niche sect that otherwise would've been forgotten.
>>536405305It is true. Literally and metaphorically. There are clear indications for the times it is not literal. When you find claims that something in the world conflicts with The Bible it is the claims that should be doubted not The Bible. Chronology, geography and science falsely so called have severe errors, sometimes introduced for the purpose of contradicting scripture. Consider Gradualism in geology. It is a philosophical decision about how to interpret the world. It is the same in many fields. They stipulate that all evidence must be interpreted to contradict The Bible, but those decisions are philosophy not science.
>>536415425>a very specific niche sect that otherwise would've been forgotten.It was a jewish project that became a judeo-platonist project
>>536413915No, it means that most people who know what it means; can lie to others and use it to hide the truth.if you do not know it is about aliens, astrology, or know the sumerian text, then you will never understand it if someone tells you it is about something else completely.how many christians or jews think god is an alien/extraterrestrial? most people retard.
>>536405305The Bible is the greatest financial book in the world. The Catholic Church is still the richest institution in the world. No competition.
>>536416126do they still sell get-out-of-purgatory-for-a-fee tickets?
>>536405305It's an ancient work on how to manage organisations and labor.
>>536415844people who dismiss the bible, are the retards that believe the propaganda... and too stupid to look for themselves; deep enough to know.most people in this world, 99%, are completely retarded; thinking they know something.https://youtu.be/vRz3deg1crY?si=slHXKVHUO225uTlc
>>536416202Retard
>>536416255ill take that as a yes
Its fake and jewish. All Punics are known for immediately making founding myths when they set up their little merchant colonies. The whole Tanakh and shit was just a fresh slate for the Canaanites, which is what Israelites are. They were never chosen. Israel is only the "holy land" because its between 3 continents and would make for a killer trade hub. Thats also why the "moschiach" is supposed to carve a river through Israel after draining the Nile.
>>536405305it's obviously bullshit. not a single person in the bible has a last name. Not even "Pharaoh," who doesn't even have a first name. Real people have always had at least a given name and a surname, even if only occupational. Do you know who else only has a first name? Any character in a play by Shakespeare.>>536405669so if he hadn't found a sheep, he would have had to holocaust his own yidlet for yahweh?and billions of people consider this ancient jew to be the wisest man who ever lived
>>536405305It's true, and realize it is the best preserves manuscript we have ever with over 20k+ different manuscripts all confirming its reliability in terms of consistency. There are multiple sources as well confirming the existence and authenticity of Jesus Christ, even the Jews who hated Christ confirm he existed. It's absolutely true in terms of the gospels. Personally I think both Genesis and revelations are metophoric in some aspects due to the nature of what's being described is so monumentally incomprehensible it needed to be done so in a way mortals could understand. But the gospels are 100% true and the odds of a man fulfilling all of the phorphacies laid out in the Old testament is so mathematically unlikely the only reasonable explanation is divine providence
>>536416523is this bait? those might be the most unintelligent objections i've ever heard to the Bible.
>>536416579>It's absolutely true in terms of the gospels.>Personally I think both Genesis and revelations are metophoricman i wish i could be this stupid and full of myself. life would be so much simpler. "uh yes this thousands of years old text, well let me tell you son, this part is 100 percent completely real and literal. but this other stuff is not literal because i'm pretty fucking smart and hip to things and i just think it is this way"
>>536416579Couldnt they have just made up a guy who fulfilled those Prophecies? A lot of them werent even Messianic prophecies.
>>536416405>TanakhI know you're jew cause you used the word... Tanakh... then you make up shit to disinfo...typical nigger jew....its called the five books of moses. or book of moses; or mosaic law.jews are fake white trash... that even copied the greek version of the bible and rewrote it to hide truth...Genesis 10:2-32 `Sons of Japheth [are] Gomer [Gog], and Magog, ...3 And sons of Gomer [Gog] [are] Ashkenazi, Nazi comes from AshkeNaziAshkenazi (plural: Ashkenazim) refers to the Jewish population whose ancestors trace their roots back to Central and Eastern Europe.Jews are not even Semitic because they descend from Japheth and not Shem.All jews are lying pieces fo shir. Their whole religion and everything is just made up retard shit;any jews that believes what their rabbi say is a complete retard, brainwashed like a christian...they are Freir... and whole race of Freir...complete retards.they are so stupid they don't even know they are going to be exterminated... and their ancient rabbi lied to them to bullshit them, so they could get what they wanted from them without workingjews con jews... the jew is nothing but a con.
what can be fake or real about something you mention as if it exists, what form does something have to take for it be granted as legit
>>536416579so did the snake actually talk, or is that just a metaphor?is the world actually 6000 years old and made in 7 days, or not.whatever. if you believe that a man actually rose from the dead, you're a gullible idiot who isn't worth my time
>>536417014shut the fuck up and go back to reading harry potter you nigger
>>536416913>this part is 100 percent completely real and literal. but this other stuff is not literal becauseI agree with you... people who say that are retarded; completely.stupid jesus freaks...they are the christians who are gay and love niggers.
>>536417004So you're a memeflag, a name fag, a schizo, a jigaboo, AND a retard? Pick a struggle, faggot. I called it the "Tanakh" because while the Old Testament is the exact same thing, it is understood differently. Also, its just funny to remind people that it has a wacky jew name like "Tanakh".
>>536405305Yes it is true. The Old Testament is a historical accounting that has never been disproven. However, what most Christians, pagans, and retarded atheists get wrong is the Old Testament. The difference between Canaanites and Hebrews have massive implications on cultural history of the European Aryan nations. Jews, as in modern Judaism, did not even exist during the time of Christ. Modern Judaism traces its lineage back to Phoenicia, Canaan, and demons, not the white chosen race of the Old Testament. They are intermixed through specific lineages but are not recognized as even being close during this timeframe. The New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old Testament, and modern Jews, atheists, and pagans cannot admit it because it would mean they are wrong. All true. Earth is relatively young compared to mainstream science. And biblical flood did happen 4-5 thousand years ago. Cope and seethe.
>>536417080>if you believe that a man actually rose from the deadhttps://youtu.be/R8imWuRApxw?si=gBwCgHLJ9wlxSejE
>>536405305>Is the Bible real?Yes, there was a talking snake that tricked the first people into eating an apple
>>536417080>so did the snake actually talk, or is that just a metaphor?it's a summation of ancient stone tablet from Summer describing how the gods added an extra chromosome, from 22 to 23, giving us consciousness and intelligence.it is also a reference to the first people who were changed... known as the serpent people...In the text itself, the serpent is introduced simply as:a serpent (Hebrew: nachash)In Hindu, Buddhist, and Jain traditions, Nagas are described as serpent people,The famous Nagas Shesha is portrayed as supporting the cosmos and serving as the couch of Vishnu.Man was civilized so he could support/work for the gods/aliens... that created us.
>>536405305You raise a good question, because people seem to take its word for granted. Has proof of it being true ever appeared?
>>536405305They literally just ripped off Plato.
>>536417707you're a jew trying to hide.
>>536405305>Is the Bible real?Yes a multidimensional soul blueprint and living egregore, channeled from higher intelligences.>Is it literal?Not really, some events are some aren't, majority of the events are symbolic inner alchemical processes, you need to have a good knowledge to understand the Bible, for plebs it's just showed as literally to scare them and given ezpz ways to live properly which is why Christianity gets so much hate and Bible is treated as trash >Metaphorical but true?Yes. Archetypal map of metaphysical reality: divine spark in matter, journey back to Source.>Or just fake?Not fake. Distorted by time, translation and the interests of power of the kings and church, yet it still carries pure gnosis for awakened consciousness.
>>536418601I'm a jew for calling the Tanakh the Tanakh while criticizing the interpretation of it that is vastly more common among jews? Yeah right, retard. Why would I deride "the old testament" for something Christians are less likely to believe? The only one hiding their identity is you, nigger jew.You're too stupid to even see that I am being courteous to Christianity
>>536405305Symbolic and metaphorical. If you want to know the true mystical meaning of the Pentateuch, look into the Zohar. The bible has an exoteric dimension for the superstitious masses, a more metaphorical dimension for scholars who can see beyond the superstitions, and an inner esoteric dimension for the initiated. The esoteric exegesis of the Pentateuch is available in the Zohar and in the commentaries of Isaac Luria and the likes.>>536418925Close to the truth
>>536419055>I'm a jewtold ya...jews are so fuckn stupid they don't even know who they are...you know why the Chasidic wear black, so they can look like pretty turds for their god, Baal Peor, lord of the anus, god of niggers.its why they say Baal Tov, good demon, every fuckn day... and they make up complete fuckn lies how it means something...you don't even know you worship the Lord of the Anus... aka Satan. God's prosecutor...and your Masoretic text was made up... they copied the Septuagint, then changed the text to hide things; of convolute, so they could control you.you can't even imagine that Judaism is nothing more than a reaction to Jesus. and the Talmud is nothing more than Rabbi making up shit, so it looks like something real.you, and your whole culture is nigger garbage stupid. your ancient rabbi, took the books of moses, and parsed it, and learned how to use it as a weapon, to take over the earth and go against god's plan for mankind; while god, the whole time, knew, and let you, so he could get all the evil niggers, called jews, into one place, to exterminate them.you people are stupid as fuck... you are not Chosen, you are not even semitic; you are just eurotrash satanic pieces of shit worshiping a nigger god.read nigger... notice how dem drones is taken out the IDFs... Ezekiel 39:4"Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee..."the whole fuckn earth wants you dead, so everyone around the earth can live in peace and be normal.also, you're amalek, the word mean blood-licker, aka vampires.you shold know straight up nigger. I am the messiah for real, with my ink horn, and I am going to completely wipe you off the planet for stealing my land and preventing my return.Daniel 9:26..., cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, ...https://youtu.be/Yy9h2q_dr9k?si=V_mRR1RlRVcX5kq1
>>536420110All of that effort you put in and they won't even pay you enough to afford a VPN. Sorry to hear it, Rajesh.
>>536405305It's practically just the middle ages version of lord of the rings
>>536420709they know who i am, fuckn retard.
>>536421056Youre nobody, nigger schizo. Or did you forget to change your flag before shilling in this thread Saar?
