You're telling me these two simply cannot under any circumstances unify because of some abstract christian interpretation while simultaniously filling their own respective states with muslims to the point of replacement?
>>536411729Nigger
It's because part of the North is the result of plantation, a form of ethnic cleansing where the natives were either killed or driven off their land. And settlers came and built walls and decided to stay there.Even though it was 400 odd years ago, the descendants of those people still see themselves as distinct and their loyalty to Britain and not wanting to be governed by anyone in the south is part of their identity. They feel like they'd be giving up something that their ancestors fought to keep.The troubles lasted decades. And was the re-opening of old wounds and it took deals with the devil to get peace. Guys that were put in jail for horrendous crimes were given pardons. People don't just forget this shit. It takes a while, usually for those older generations that have memories of the violence, the tit-for-tat type killings and often revenge attacks (where some pub is randomly targeted because they don't know who did some attack on the security services).The good news is that with peacetime, there is more mixing of the communities. The various "peace walls" that were erected to stop chimpouts as communities mixed have mostly been taken down. With that mixing, you will get inter-marriages. An increasing number of younger people (born after the troubles) are calling themselves "northern Irish" - a distinct identity that isn't picking one side or the other.And there is already collaboration between both communities regarding things like the Paki pedo problem. Think of Northern Ireland like the cooking rings that were very hot but have been turned off. There is still some energy left there. Still people are somewhat okay with vigilantism and the need to "police" your own community, and know who is there, etc.
>>536412617>a form of ethnic cleansing where the natives were either killed or driven off their land. And settlers came and built walls and decided to stay there.huh, sounds just like the israelis
>>536411729Irish leftists cutting off their nose to own the Brits
>>536412617Northern Ireland has been somewhat based and has taken in less foreigners. Those that are there might be something like the Asian community, that have things like takewaways and never bothered anyone. But the recent arrivals, jeets, africans. Sex pests will bring out that vigilantee streak that's still in the North (and you can also say some of the more "rough" or working class areas of the South as well).The more sex pests that are imported, the less of the ethnic and religious differences between the two communities in the North will matter. It will be similar to a prison gang situation where if the prison was 90% European, then you could be very fussy with your white supremacist gang, maybe denying Jews or Eastern Europeans. But if whites become the minority, or are fast headed that way, then instinctively people know that these differences matter less. And you'll take what you can get.
>>536411729divide and conquerireland is useful to the enemies of our nation, as we became enemies to ireland.the whole religion thing was just a means to an end.religion is no longer the factor preventing unification, but that ireland is its own entity on the world stage. it would just be weird to include ireland as part of the uk now.ireland is as much part of the uk is as taiwan is to china, or ukraine to russia, or cuba to america, or palestine is to israel.
>>536411729>while simultaniously filling their own respective states with muslimseurope about to start burning again
>>536411729That conflict must have been artificially created by the english
>lol
>You're telling me these two simply cannot under any circumstances unify because of some abstract christian interpretation while simultaniously filling their own respective states with muslims to the point of replacement?What's with foreigners thinking the troubles is because people are disagreeing over religion?This isn't two neighbours fighting because they disagree over whether purgatory exists, it's british protestant planters mostly from the lowlands of scotland and the north of england fighting against irish catholic gaelsprotestant and catholic is just a word meaning what community people are from from most on both sides dont go to church or read the bible
>>536412617Rare effort post.Thanks Paddy
divided by britainunited by islam <3proof of the power of allah, it is happening all around the world!
>>536412617As an American who hears nigger gunshots every night this argument is incomprehensible to me, just unify and isolate
>>536411729what's really funny is that browns don't think we're going to holocaust them
>>536413268just unify with canada brojust unify with mexicoyou're all white former european colonies bro
>>536413198What's up with the confederate flag?
>>536413198Where the leaders of the confederate army Irish?
>>536413593ulster protestant loyalists are racist and identify with confederates>>536413643don't call an ulster loyalist irish if you want to keep your teeth mush
>>536413707Kek. Easy now. I don't understand shit of Irish conflicts. All I know is that they don't like to be called Brits.
>>5364127719% real estate price growth YoY. Highest in all of the UK, which is mostly stagnating or actually decreasing, and higher than Ireland proper.You need to know...
It's proof that brother wars are an ancient white tradition
>>536413868It's just a human thing. Happens with all races.
>>536413779Basically imagine if a bunch of Danes were settled in Poland and identifed as protestant because the danes were protestant and the poles catholic so the term for Dane was protestant and the term for pole was catholic.Then imagine the poles/catholics began to abandon the polish language and culture and began to adopt the danish one but still identifed as polish/catholic.the confusion with ulster comes from the fact that the irish all speak english, it'd be a lot simpler from an outside perspective if the protties were english speaking and the irish still spoke irish
>>536411729>Two people's fight, naturally separate and democratically vote to remain separate groups>NO WE NEED TO FORM A FAGGOT UNION C'MON GUYS LETS UNITETear down your flag and let Norway own you then you cuckoldWe're proud Ulster stock not limp wristed nigger lovers. We burn out and drive out the brown invaders not worship and taste army boot for daring to talk bad about them like republics"You're next to each other so erase your culture, clan and nation for my heckin epic reddit map painting larp"Lead by example and give up your own lands to your neighbours for the greater goodLet Texas leave and join Mexico, Let Germany give themselves to Poland since they already have Prussia, let Italy dismantle itself and let Malta tell them what to doMy people have history, culture and are my blood not some soviet satellite state of goyim to push your unity "if we erase our culture then it will be soooo epic" larpRead a book. You can agree and team up on issues without forming some faggot super-state and becoming the pol redditor version of citizen of the world
>>536414694git up carson mush tell em how it isis the term mush even used in northern ireland or what
>>536414694>Tear down your flag and let Norway own you then you cuckoldKek I am extremely pro Nordic union. We arent feral white niggers like you who thinks unification is cuckery.
>>536414472Gotcha. Makes sense. But I've always found the NI/Ireland debacle very confusing. There's a lot to it. At the end of the day, it's caused by judaism, kek. Without judaism, those two religions wouldn't have existed. Abrahamic religions aren't my cup of tea.
>>536411729I'm going to do a 1649.
>>536411729Its less about that and more >we want to be part of Britain, we have a lot of shit that we like with them and like how things are herevs>we dont want to be part of britian, we have a lot of shit we hate with them and hate Britian via history with themNorthern Ireland is actually self sustaining, to a point where its an exporter of food and energy, people like the way things are, and the people wanting to unify would effectively be moving to sap all resources to Dublin and the EU instead of themselves with part going to Britian at large, but only the excess. The idea of Irish united Ireland runs smack into the reality that Ireland doesnt even believe in that anymore themselves, Ireland is for whoever has an Irish passport and its run like a business and not a peoples home, NI today is not like that at all and maintains that it is a home for the people of Britian ONLY, and the Cathaolics rep side takes exception to this highly even though it includes the Irish in there, they just do not like Britian at all to the point they would seppukku just to flip them off. Northern Ireland remaining with Britain gives it relative autonomy over itself, which it loses entirely with unification, and the worry is that with how centralized everything in Ireland is to Dublin already, the north would be turned into a ghetto over night as there is no use for any of the ports or trade up north and all those towns would lose support via their distance from the capital and trade. Its a very real possability they would destroy NI just simply by moving where trade travels and that it has to go to the EU and has no reason to go north.Would be based if they all started using the 4 county flag for unity of the people there, right now theyre just toing the line for which side of the border they land on, or which religion they were born into, its less about the identity of the people that actually belong on the island now and just if your seething at Britain or not.
>>536411729>abstract christian interpretationanglos - the eternal
>>536411729I can only imagine why Irish people might hold resentment to a country that tried to exterminate them and forced many of them to flee their homeland
>>536411729>The fuck is going on here?Petrol bombings.
>>536411729Ireland (the Republic) seems to be importing lots of non-Muslim negroes, too.
>>536414790Based and Kalmarpilled. Vi kunne leve i himlen på jord, hvis vi smed alle shitskins ud, fjernede jødisk påvirkning og dannede en Nordisk union.
>>536411729Nothing of your business
I learned everything I need to know about this conflict from U2 and the Cranberries
>>536411729I don't even care that much about the religious and cultural reasoning, it looks like shit on a map. Just let the micks have it.
>>536415305Yep.Sedan kan Köpenhamn-Malmö bli huvudstaden efter alla invandrare deporterats.
>>536411729Southern Ireland had a big chimp out because 960 years ago or something the big ancestral potato patch was farmed by a family who worshipped god in a slightly different way. so, they had to spit it up and murder each other and anyone who tried to stop them for some reason.
>>536411729Its ENGLAND to me
>>536415988Ew a poo
>>536411729There are old scores need to be settled between them.
>>536415817There was always division. Ireland was never united, thats the thing. It was 4 countries within the country before it was considered one, Ulster being Northern Ireland is one of those countrys that did not want to be part of the unification and wanted to remain its own country, and gets that with Britian, where Ireland now no longer considers that valid. Its where the red hand symbol and the harp comes from, the Irish flag should ideally not be the tricolor, it is a modern invention that condenses Irish history to simply that of catholics vs protestants, when there was a fuck of a lot more going on before and during that between the Irish rulers themselves and their history. Ireland does infact have a history that has nothing to do with Britian, you wouldnt think it with how the modern irish identity is basically just being a catholic, apparently.
>>536415988Fuck off poop
>>536415988poo2loo
>>536411729The Northern part is controlled by Jews and their proteslaves whose hands are red with the blood of the goyim
>>536417886Love when Americans speak on the politics of places on the other side of the planet with such confidence, especially about who the jews control.
>>536411729No. No one is telling you thatIt is not about religion. It was a big factor maybe 200 years ago, but it was much more than that and still isIt is mostly an ethnic divide. Even though their ethnicities are very close. It is a question of demographics for the most part, also. Northern Ireland is majority catholic now. The native ulster Irish being catholic, religion is used as a marker of ethnicityThere is also the problem of the south. They are so pozzed now, many Irish in Ulster think the irish state is so anti-irish to the point that they are better off not unifying. It is a less common sentiment because most are tunnel visioned on national unity but it would be relevant if there ever were a poll on unity, it could shift the result despite demographicsMost Protestant British in Northern Ireland will absolutely vote a no in a referendum because their entire identity is based upon being "British" what ever that even means anymore. They have no ethnic identity themselves that is solid. They have an "Ulster Scots" identity but it is inconsistent since most of them are half Irish and have anglo admixture. They're just mutts. The Irish in Ulster are much more purer in ethnicity, especially the more west you goThere is a long bloody history. 400 years of massacres, war, strife, civil unrest, distrust and general hostility. And this is in Ulster. Foreigners when looking at the divide in Ireland think it's a north vs south divide because that's what they can see on a map. But the divide is in Ulster. Southerners are more or less removed from it
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>>536417288>>536416033>>536415988leave this brahmin bro alone saar
>>536412724It's the Jews bringing shitskins into the West.
>>536414694Your "culture" is licking English boots and drinking buckfast around bonfires and gay faggot band marching. Cringe
>>536412617willingly putting orange in your flag was a huge cuck move
>>536411729It's scots-irish vs proper irish, religion is only one part of the equation
>>536411729Protestants are crazy af.
>>536420509Exactly.It's so dumb to assume that everyone living on the same island must have the same ethnicity.Waterways are much better spreaders of culture than land masses.
>>536411729What can you do? The people at the top don't like the people at the bottom. And until they vote otherwise, we can't make them leave the UK.
>>536416290> Ireland was never united, thats the thing. It was 4 countries within the country before it was considered one, Ulster being Northern Ireland is one of those countrys that did not want to be part of the unification and wanted to remain its own countryThis is protestant educationIreland was considered one country even during ancient times. A country is a land and people, not kingdoms. This is another anglo conflation with nation and state. Who rules you and your local area does not mean you are a seperate nation. The concept of High King of Ireland was also a thing. And also, at a time, western Scotland was considered the same country because of the population and culture there. Different land, same people. Same nation. Same countryAnd it was not even 4 "countries" (kingdoms) it was 5 right before British rule. You don't even know the history you speak on>Its where the red hand symbol and the harp comes from>the Irish flag should ideally not be the tricolor, it is a modern invention that condenses Irish historyThe irish Harp historically represents Ulster, too, you imbecile. It is a symbol to represent all of Ireland, including Ulster. It's like saying because Munster has it's own symbol then they rejected the harp, which is idiotic
>>536421378No it wasnt, they had civil wars constantly. Brian Boru and the Oneils were the closest it got to actual unification, shit, the Oneils did a lot of shitty things to the Irish people but because theyre Irish they dont get talked about, because the seethe is at the English, the Oneils are where a lot of the animosity from the Irish towards the north comes from. The whole reason the English ever got a foothold was because they asked for help to conquer the island, because before that someone would become high king, get killed or die, then the country would fracture again, over and over, so they sought outside help and got it, and that was a HORRIBLE miss step that would set the process for England claiming to have legal ownership of the island the exact same way they did with France, make no mistake, this was a bad thing. Not only did they never unite the island they just used it as a legal precedent to just put their own people in charge.Also no, it didnt represent all Ireland, it was specifically Leinster. A red "X" use to represent the country of Ireland, its whats on the Union Jack still, I dont know what would happen to the Union Jack when NI unites with Ireland. When Ireland separated they used the Harp briefly because Dublin became the capital, which is Leinster, the OTHER COUNTIES took exception to this as it made them seem less important when whole idea was that everyone would be represented, so they made the Tri-color to get around that, NI always kept the red hand, Dublin cucked out their own Irish flag to turn it into a religious meaning of catholics and protestants, like the Irish had nothing else going on besides that, they themselves decided to cast aside the cultural significance of the Celtic mythology around the harp for that of the modern christian. Its bullshit and I dont like it, its like asking Wales to take the dragon off their flag to replace it with a man fucking a sheep simply because its more culturally significant to today.
>>536415988>Its ENGLAND to meSAAAR I AM BRITISH JAM BOY SAARShow bob and vagine saar
>>536411729In a way yes, Ireland is where the playbook for British subjecational colonial strategy which doomed Europe since 1367
>>536415988I SUPPORT ISRAEL SAAAARHAMAS ARE BENCHID BLOODY BASTARRRRDS. TEACH ME TO BE ISRAEL SAAR, TEACH ME TO POO IN THE LOO ISRAEL SAAR
>>536423128You Indians disgust me.Like Americans you are better than jews, but choose to be slaves, I cannot accept you as a human.Jews are jeets who have learned to poo, in the loo
>>536411729Yes, its a big meme
>>536411729What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
>>536414694All the people are united under Ngubu worship
>>536422863You can't read. You're doing the conflation again and I never argued that ireland was unified under one kingdomAnd the O'Neills never invited England into Ireland, that's flat out wrong. You are thinking of Diarmait Mac Murchada>Also no, it didnt represent all Ireland, it was specifically LeinsterAgain, showing yourself up. The Harp represented Ireland long before it represented LeinsterJust stop
>>536412700You mean like the Americans.
