America could do the funniest thing...
>>536437673wow thats looks great for the enviroment im sure animals will love this
I currently have 114 filtered threads.Why is there so much shit on the log?
>>536437720Yeah, chink bugs (animals) thinks that this is a good idea (not).
>>536437761It's Indians flooding this shithole
>>536437887Are they posting jeet threads, too? I see more of those being posted (before the filters kick in) at the moment.They really don't know how to do this shit properly.
>>536437720Yeah, while mining coal and extracting oil are totally harmless, right guys?This is a few tens of square Kms supplying enough energy for hundreds of thousands if not millions of people.Go look at a map of any American city and how much of it is useless single-family detached homes which people are forced to live in because zoning laws prevent any other housing option, this solar farm is tiny in comparison.
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>>536438312>Yeah, while mining coal and extracting oil are totally harmless, right guys?No its quite bad actually>>536438312Talatan spans roughly 162 square miles. By comparison, a 1,000 MW nuclear plant requires an average of just 1.3 square miles of land footprint. its about as efficient as two nuclear power plants, so lets 4 square miles versus 162 square miles. So we have better alternatives that dont take up as much space and doesn't destroy miles of habitat.
>>536438872Well yeah, good thing I didn't complain about nuclear power lol, it is much better (if you ignore the huge caveat of long term nuclear waste storage), but I'm not going to oppose to solar plants and dams despite their significant drawbacks because fossil fuel extraction is a thing that not only still exists, but several countries including America are doubling down on.And I repeat, single-family detached homes are doing so much more damage to natural habitats that I can't bring myself to care about the comparatively small damage that solar causes, remember it's free energy (and a lot of them are built in deserts/arid places with not much biodiversity anyways)
>>536439472How's it free you disingenuous faggotYou think it costs nothing to send those african children down the cobalt and lithium mines?By that logic, fossil fuels are "free energy" too. If we used african children with buckets to extract the oil, it would be no different to the current cobalt/lithium/mica supply chain.I'll accept battery waste being better for the environment than fossil fuel emissions - but I won't accept this "free energy" bullshit. Use your fucking brain, everything has supply chain logistics to consider.
>>536437673Reminds me of that Fallout New Vegas quest, am I the only one?
>>536437720They aready ate all the animals.
>>536437720Most solar farms in Sweden is built in animal pens where they keep the vegetation under control and get shelter from the sun.
>>536440014Your humour is shit tier my bro.
>>536439905The Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System is South West of some place called Primm and north of some road leading to a place called Nipton.
>>536440145I had no idea HELIOS-1 had real life inspiration, cool fact
>>536439826Are you being dense? lithium batteries are recyclable; while the oil you extract and whatever you make with it you burn and have to extract again.Also if African goverments want to allow exploitative practices in their countries that's on them, I literally do not care. Resource extraction doesn't HAVE to use child labor y'know, I don't mind paying for the extra cost of not using slaves but it seems like they're not too interested in doing anything about it so I won't feel guilty about it either.And what I mean by free is that once you build the solar panels (which use no rare minerals, only the batteries do) you are harvesting energy from the sun, which is limitless in practice, while oil will become rarer and rarer as time goes on and is prone to supply fluctuations (like the one currently happening, imagine that)
>>536437720Putting solar panels up on frames in paddocks provides shade for the livestock. Places where solar panels tend to be very viable are also super fucking hot, unsurprisingly. It's called solar grazing.
>>536438312>Go look at a map of any American city and how much of it is useless single-family detached homes which people are forced to live inOh no, please don't force me to live in a single family detached home. Please let me live in a commie bloc full of niggers and jeets. Please!
>>536437720the only times republicucks worry about the environment is when it's convenient to oppose renewable energy.
>>536440392I'm not being dense - are you? Lithium batteries overwhelmingly end up in landfills, or increasingly, Mongolia. I don't know why you think the same big businesses that have been trashing the planet with fossil fuels in the name of profit, would do anything different when it comes to solar panels. Proper disposal and extraction is more expensive than relying on slavery and end to end recycling systems. You talk a nice ideology, but in practice it is not the reality we see.You're right that slave labour is not a functional requirement of solar; but you're fucking retarded if you don't think it makes up a massive component of their economic viability. They're expensive even with the total exploitation of vulnerable workers. How feasible do you think they'd be if we paid the supply chain workers fairly? It's not about what YOU are happy to pay, business decisions are driven by moneyhungry vampires. They are not happy to pay a premium to ensure fair compensation of the supply chain workers. Use your fucking brain.But yes, what you mean by "free" is not "free" at all, but actually "renewable". It's quite expensive to harness all those "free" photons, just like how it's quite expensive to extract all that "free" oil sitting at the bottom of the ocean doing nothing.You're being a disingenuous little faggot claiming solar does not use rare earths. Solar is useless without high battery capacity to cope with the variable output. Solar REQUIRES a high battery capacity. Claiming you don't need rare earths for solar is misleading rhetoric - you're either doing this to obfuscate the point or you're just an idiot parroting what (((shareholders))) want repeating.
>>536437766They have the cheapest electricity in the world
>>536441041I love paying 300 euros a month for electricity for an apartment of two, what are you talking about anon, those electricity company ceos deserve their end year bonus.
>>536440563Stupid fucking nigger.
>>536440490OK, do you want to live above the Jimmy John's or the Target?
>>536437720woah you are so smart
>>536439826>You think it costs nothing to send those african children down the cobalt and lithium mines?That represents something like .1% of the global production.Most minerals are extracted in giant mines, semi-automated and staffed by highly-paid and educated peoplehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_seJME6e40
>>536441152the issue is that electricity was allowed to be traded as a commodity capitalism might be good on some lower levels but if it is uncontrolled you get succ like that.and this needs to be corrected
all of those solar panels for the output of a single nuclear power plant
>>536441296I doubt that's the issue.
>>536440402You know what use uses the sun and gives shade? And the animals fucking eat?
>>536441293Source: your buttholeDRC produces over 30% of the global cobalt supply. I don't believe for a second that DRC is using "giant, semi-automated mines staffed by highly paid specialists". It's the fucking Congo.Also you've actually tried to cite your claim with marketing material from a big energy company. Are you serious?Here's an equally biased source claiming the contrary:https://www.cecc.gov/events/hearings/from-cobalt-to-cars-how-china-exploits-child-and-forced-labor-in-the-congo
>>536438378I forget sometimes Bongs used to be turbo based due to how faggy their ancestors are.Once the leftnigger bongs see this meme, they'll be walking around Poojeetershire offering to jelly up to protect them from flies.
>suddenly republitard cares about animals n sheit surreal
>>536441378You do realise we orbit the sun yeah? It's not in a fixed point in the sky every day right
>>536441335look it started to go downhill when they allowed the privatizaztion of formerly state owned and operated businessesenergy grid operators are just one of those sectorsbut it got even worse when they started the trading artificial inflation of the price of energy transferthe price is in themeantime being driven high by faggots like your president who fucks with the global energy market for the lulz all electric energy potential difference that you can utilize at your wall outlet is the result of energy transfer of a resource, oil, coal, gas, uran you name it>inb4 muh solar punk; it's a laughbly small and as fragile as unflexible source of powerthat is the baseand what they allowed is to set a value to the same thing generated at the same cost what they do is change the price depending on the demand but thats not a issue of the price of the base commodity used in the transfer process of the enrgy stored in coal etc towards your potential difference at your outletwhat the operator has to do is switch on or off capacity, preferably reroute to store energy in pumped-storage power plants or other types of large scale batteriesinstead they claim it would be scarcity which it isnt so they artificially increase the price depending on daytime and made up supply and demand rules created at the energy(stock)exchangethe CEOS of those privatized grid operators are just accomplices the real tgraitors are those that allowed this to be "privatised"
>>536441461Stupid fucking euroniggers don't realize how much China has invested in the Africoon countries in the past two decades.
>>536441005>Lithium batteries overwhelmingly end up in landfills, or increasingly, MongoliaWhich is a problem "easily" solved through policy, just like glass recycling was pretty much solved in many countries already, it's not a problem inherent to batteries. >You talk a nice ideology, but in practice it is not the reality we see.I have no idea what you're arguing for or against, so since renewables are not currently being handled properly, we should just give up and keep using fossils?>You're right that slave labour is not a functional requirement of solar; but you're fucking retarded if you don't think it makes up a massive component of their economic viability>How feasible do you think they'd be if we paid the supply chain workers fairly?Extraction is the main culprit for exploitative practices but batteries involve more than just the raw resources, there's refining, manufacturing, R&D and whatnot, so altough it would affect the price, I don't think it'd affect it as much as you think it would.>You're being a disingenuous little faggot claiming solar does not use rare earths. Solar is useless without high battery capacity to cope with the variable output.I know I emphasized the fact that panels don't use rare metels but I never meant to be disingenuous or to imply batteries aren't inseparably linked to solar power currently, but the fact remains that those batteries are recyclable (and with proper legislation, they actually get recycled), so you don't need to keep making them constantly, and after the first adoption phase ends, you don't need to make nearly as many of them.I'm not saying renewables are perfect, but they are superior to fossil and it makes no sense to oppose them, or worse, double down on fossil.And for what is worth, I care very little about politics actually, I'm not pushing any agenda and I care very little about wheter the jews agree or disagree with me
>>536442025>Which is a problem "easily" solved through policy, just like glass recycling was pretty much solved in many countries already, it's not a problem inherent to batteries. Yeah bro just write another bill on a piece of paper, that'll fix things.The other anon was right, you're a fucking faggot who doesn't understand the world at all, you think writing bills or passing "policy" is going to fix this? Stupid nigger, everybody who runs shit in the current way its being run (the ones throwing the batteries in landfills) yeah they're the ones who write and sign the bills stupid faggot, they recognize stupid faggots like you are so retarded and homosexual all they have to do is title the bill [something a faggot would like] and then you're completely sold on the (((solution))) meanwhile the solution is doing the exact same shit or usually even more heinous shit. tldr, you're a fucking retard.
>>536442107Alright, keep things the same then, I'm sure that'll make things better somehow.
>>536437673blot out the sun?
>>536438312normalfaggots are so dumb
>>536437720who cares what goyim (animals) think
>>536442107>yeah they're the ones who write and sign the bills stupid faggot,anon discovers why the man with the funny moustache might have had a point
>>536437673We still have "green" politicians in Norway who want our tiny little country to be the world leader in green energy. It's fucking hilarious.
>>536442233Yeah thats what I said, see this is how stupid you actually are. In your mind the only two options are listen to the government or do nothing. Here's the truth retard, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING. Yeah, I know it sucks. You can bitch, and cry, and moan all you fucking want. Everything you say is completely retarded when you recognize the people who profit off all of this shit, are the ones who control the policy. Whatever they want goes, you're just along for the ride, and everytime they use retarded faggots like you to try and convince your fellow countrymen to allow them to continue to rape the planet. Yeah you're the fucking retard who is by proxy helping to give them the legitimacy they need to continue their bullshit. Britanon is completely right, This isn't a solvable problem in the sense that you're gonna what? Bring awareness to the poor sea turtle in the ocean and then what? yell at the government "JUST DO SOMETHING PLS" so they slap together some bullshit bill that does nothing to appease your faggot ass, and hidden in the bill is the legal right for the power company to rape your mother. But they at least did something! Look my (((scientist))) who totally isn't paid off by the exact same people who are causing the problems to begin with said solar panels are gonna save the human race! Its the most retarded shit imaginable honestly, how do you even remember to breathe?
>>536438312forced to live in a single family home and denied the community of a project full of niggers
>>536442568I'm sure there are nice duplex+, town homes or condos that are expensive enough to keep nigs out but feel free to go live in the middle of nowhere so your children can inherit an even worse country and can't travel anywhere unless you drive them until they're old enough to get their license.
>>536437761Where do you think you are?
>>536442025I don't oppose renewables; i oppose the propagandized newspeak faggots like you employ to argue for it's viability. I don't much care for the moralizing aspect of the discourse, but I do care when faggots use technical innaccuracies to bend the truth in order to push their ideology.
>>536442800are you completely out of touch? People in America are trying to get out of the cities, they're desperately trying to run away from these things that you keep telling us are wonderful. Oh you meant the spics that came from your shithole? yeah they'll live in the gutter if they have to, they don't actually care so long as they aren't living next to you, bit ironic isn't it?
>>536442879What technical innaccuracies? and what ideology am I pushing?You know what? I don't care, You don't oppose renewables? great, that's all I care about.
>>536443202>free energy>no rare earths>no slave labour>cleanThose technical inaccuracies. It doesn't stand that you're not pushing an ideology - you wouldn't be using the typical rhetoric of (((big energy))) if you weren't. You clearly aren't stupid, so I must conclude you're being misleading on purpose to achieve some ideological goal (the replacement of fossil fuels with renewables at any cost).To be clear on my position, I'm pro-cheap energy. I do not believe the poors (anywhere) should suffer to enrich the big energy c-suite. One thing that I think is worth noting is that in every country I know of that has implemented a national push for renewables, energy prices have increased for the end user in real terms whilst the supplying energy firms rake in record profits. Renewables may be cheaper, but all this translates to is bigger profits for big energy. They aren't passing those cost savings onto the consumer.
>>536437761Its the jam boys and it might be too late to range ban them since theyre in all western nations.My god they're awful.
>>536437673drop a few tons of small pebbles from B42 boombers over the site .. no bombs, just pebbles. Each one could contain alot of pebbles
