Why did the M7 fail already?
Shotguns are all that matter now.
>>536540887Sig gonna sig.
>>536540887Retarded rifle concept, the idea of armor penetration is silly. Modern war is cqc, Urban or trench combat and drone combat.
>>536541119Cohen..
>>536541168>the idea of armor penetration is silly.Not if you're shooting at American citizens on American soil, and need to use an uncommon ammo they can't use in their own weapons. Which was probably the plan until these Jewish Nazis decided after 10/7 they actually need their "fellow White people."
>>536540887>Why did the M7 fail already?hmm you mean that gun that shoots overpressure rounds that eat up barrels and cost way more than 556 so you can say you have 1000m range except the optic that makes it work is a battery powered nightmare and ammo is heavy and drones and artillery are going to fucking kill you anyway. it was retarded from day one and the only reason sig keeps winning contracts is they pay off the government. yay corruption!
>>536541639>Not if you're shooting at American citizens on American soil, and need to use an uncommon ammo they can't use in their own weapons.You know ball
MIC grifters gonna grift. US Military is now Soviet tier with nothing but scammers getting rich off products that don't work.
>>536541843Don't forget the scopes they want to make for it. They're trying to make aim bot real.
>>536541051Fpbp
>>536540887>Why did the M7 fail already?MIC Lobbyists.
>>536541882shits fucking retarded, everything about our government and military is completely corrupt
>>536540887muricans need to swallow their pride and adopt the AK platform
>>536540887Why couldn't we just get a 7.62x51 AR?
>>536540887Because it's not from H&K.
>>536540887ugly fucking gun
>>536542099The improved ballistic characteristics of a full size rifle cartridge do not make up for the increased cost, weight and its just not practically useful since most engagements take place way closer than where it would shine.
>>536540887Because it was a stupid fucking idea. There are already other systems that achieve what they claimed to want this turd to do
>>536540887The good military gun paradigm is very established (minimum recoil, maximum rate of fire, maximum shots per weight). Due to cultural BS and some bureaucratic hangovers from the 1880s-1920s period, there was also a very established hate for it among American military boomers who preferred a big bullet high recoil slow shots theme. The GWOT millennials almost killed off the big bullets crowd, and the cultural battle was won, but because of the way the bureaucratic programs lined up the Sig program slipped through the cracks.
>>536542196Pic related?
>>536542196That Steyr AUG looks like an orthopedic prosthesis.
>>536542241I guess I'm just boomer brained. I don't see how adopting a new special snowflake caliber is a good idea when we already have an infinite stockpile of 5.56 and 7.62 already.
>>536540887>Why did the M7 fail already?Its an assault rifle... the role of the Assault rifle is to fire lead towards a position, or fire quickly against a close enemy when assaulting a position.For that an M4 or AK Pattern is sufficient, These autistically over-engineered wunderwaffe rifles are extremely expensive for the same functionality of a cheaper standardized and battle tested alternative.America is going through the same decadence as the WW2 German Army. Yes sure the Fallschirmjägergewehr 42 was an extraordinary piece of engineering that was 40 years ahead of its time but it was hard to manufacture and expensive to be fielded in the numbers required to make a difference.The PPSH-41 was shit, had bad ergonomics, had to be fed with drums due to its insanely fast fire-rate, yet it was one of the most useful small arms of the WW2 because it could be mass produce and had an insane fire-rate that made it ideal to assault enemy emplacements.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H2RWq-hteg&rco=1
>>536542196The AUG is shit.
>>536542568Ummm akstually the M7 Is suppose to be a 'battle rifle'
>>536541882Its real, but the concept of making all squads consist of dmrs with limited ammo capacity is retardedNobody is going to sustain a frontline of combat arms with 300-600m renage effective buffer for these things to be effectiveAnd drones make a killbox of kilometers wide potential wherever the infantry mobility and concealment is disputedIts a great weapon for bodyarmour penetration, but the optic is the only thing really worth all thia investment, and it will not last a duty cycle of a cpuple days worth of saturated meatwaves of conscripts if youre tryinf to hold the lineNotwithstanding, you could adapt and overcome with a rapid doctrine of hit and run and utilize that solely without disruption, fuck frontlines, give ground and war them down thinBut looks more like the general wardoctrine is: how to liquidate as many as possible, cheaply as possible, effectively as possible, and the SIG rifle doesnt seem to fit 3/3 all that well>low ammo countSo no suppression potential without over burdening your soldier>heavy and batteries dependentSo no logistics for longterm isolated operation, has to have a support network and likewise ammo reserves always on point potentially>effectiveness in combatYet to be seen, but its operating more like a dmr which youd only need 1 or 2 marksmen like that in a 12 man squad on average anywaysThis thing is a niche meme larping as a jack of all tradesThe ar platform already does everything with a few modifications and has logistics capacity of stoner and NATO stockpiles for decadesThe only way 5.56 armour piercing gets shafted is if body armour becomes alien tech level advanced in the coming years: light as fuck and easily covering everything with some kind of ceramic leap and bounds techtree cheat codeMass produced arty shells and drone warfare are pretty much the same as ita ever been for military victory: USA already had other toys refined to a T to accomodate these facts and airspace dominance
>>536540887>failThats so wierd...because I could build that rifle for less and it would work better...its almost as if a "for profit complex" has scammed the military, again...
>>536540887Why are they even bothering with this when small arms matter so little?>>536542348Also this.
>>536542348ThisSuppression and ammo capacity for a single soldier or squad makes all the biggest difference with infantry conflicts.308 is still the big chief for big boys in that regard heheheBut not everyone can handle a vombat load of this, so 556 makes best compromise of all combat doctrines toward successful outcomes
>>536542568I heard somewhere the ppsh either never jams or hardly ever jamsWhich is also insane for a TT TOKAREV ballistic profile, essentially like a weaker .45acp, its a tanky round however
>>536542099>>536542507it's corruption, SIG is winning contracts by paying people off and having a cool training center. the entire concept of the M7 is fucking retarded because they wanted to make every soldier into a designated marksman. most people, even in the military, aren't that great at shooting. so the solution we found to this problem is you have 3 guys with M16s and 7 30 round mags each, you have one guy with a belt fed who can keep the other guy's heads down when you need to move, you have a guy with a semiautomatic 7.62x51 to shoot at guys farther out, and you have a guy with a 300 win mag bolt action for real long range sniper stuff. that's what we did in the mountains of afghanistan. so instead of having 4 different weapons, they are trying to take it down to 2, a "do it all" rifle and your belt fed, all of which use the same ammo. it's retarded and doesn't work.
>>536542978oh and from a practical perspective there was usually either a 7.62x51 OR a 300 win mag
>>536542978And thr simply fact of issuing another incompatible round with all these formerly mentioned weapon platforms makes everything a logistical clusterfuck messAnd you are now pooched for lending ammo in combat- or improvising in the field by salvaging magazines from the dead on either side>good luck finding some on your other boys, theyre all out of ammo midway through the firefightShiggydiggy
>>536540887exactly who ever came up with the brainlet idea that the chinese not to mention the russians or some other second world shithole would ever dream of equipping their cannon fodder with a vest costing a gazillion
I've heard the Marines hoodwinked the MIC for the M27 while keeping the M249 that they were 'wanting' to replace.
>>536540887>Why did the M7 fail already?the dead absolute nigger last thing you would want is fewer bulletswith drones, you need high magazine count, not lower high powered rounds for door kicking youre literally never going to do, or shooting across huge distance for people you will never see hiding from drones
>>536540887gun demanded by israel to make shooting unarmed civilians at extreme range easier
>>536542196>Better POB>Can be fired one-handed>Carry handle for easy rucking>Sensible 5.56 cartridge>Plenty of rail for all your gay tacticool gadgets but works fine withoutAmericans may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like
>>536543203>you need high magazine countand low recoil for follow up shots
>>536542743>The M7 rifle, previously designated as XM7 and originally as XM5, is the U.S. Army's adopted variant of the SIG MCX-SPEAR chambered in 6.8×51mm Common Cartridge,It is debatable If an intermidiate cartridge belongs or not to a battle rifle,still these over-engineered weapons are extremely expensive and are economically stupid when you already have a stock and logistics for cheaper weapons, same deal as the flechette ammo in the 90s, those were far ahead of its time but the same job could be done with regular ammo.Same shit as the Russian Abakan Rifle, yes it was an amazing rifle but it was too expensive to be mass produce and replace the AK pattern.>>536542975Because the PPSh only has a couple of parts, its an insanely cheap and simple gun...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6tRX0KtRE4
just looks heavy
>>536540887Sig Saur CEO is a Jewish criminal who ran illegal guns to South America. Look it up. All defective and degenerate things in the West can be traced back to hand rubbing.
>>536540887Going to a larger round might be the most retarded choice the military has made in a few decades. We abandoned big rounds because 99% it not making a meaningful difference.But 100% of the time its more difficult to move around.
>>536543457/k/ was so mad when they chose SIG's over that bullpup.
>>536541843>>536541877how are things down in glowie central /k/
>>536540887its retarded, too big and heavy and doesnt improve much technologically. m4 is betteratleast the other stuff they tested tried to innovate technologically like polymer casings
>>536543970i don't go there anymore, /arg/ is all furries and troons. any time you talk about anything you get called chinese or russian. the only new military stuff coming out is from china so talking about it is impossible. sr25 has an rcr now.
>>536543970Ukraine war posting killed /k/. Which is why I am not a fan of Ukraine.
>>536542196thats the australian gun, not the suisse one>>536542583source?>>536542184we had the xm8 program 30 years agohk416 and hk417 supposedly a fave as a more 'exotic' m4 and precision 762, prolly selling enoughsig gets the scraps from shitty pistols, lel
>>536544143>sr25is it really mainly mostly sr25?i thought designated had all sorts of different shit>>536544161yeah, same
>>536540887C clamp is so fucking gay
>>536544471>is it really mainly mostly sr25?i was talking about my guns lol, sr25 got replaced by the geissele 6.5 mememore
>>536541051So what is actually being accomplished while people are getting droned? Are both sides just hoping some plans go well instead of getting ruined by a drone?
>>536544650i think the ukraine war exists to kill white men, which is the primary goal of the jew
>>536544739The only real answer.
why do modern gun manufacturers only make their weapons in brownish colours? is it so it blends in better with the skin colour of the average american mutt soldier?
>>536541051If you do a small bunny hop, a lot of the shrapnel wouldn't hit your legs as badly.
>>536544819You subhuman baboon. You literal nigger.How dare you speak, you swarthy jungle monkey. How dare you open your big lipped, rim encrusted, menthol cigarette smelling mouth?You are human trash, Diego Tyrone LeShawn de Maradona. Universally despised, derided and mocked. Your nationality and skin tone offers no hope to the world that South America can ever prosper. Crawl back in to the Brazilian jungle you came out of, you literal orangutan.I hope you decide to sail your grandfathers skip to the Falklands and rape some sheep, as is in the negroes nature. It would still be the whitest pussy you ever had. Give Nigel and Robert a chance for some target practice, your sole use to the world. Argentinians obsession with a few windswept islands in the Atlantic is hilarious but sad.Coincidentally it’s the only worthwhile contribution Argentina has made to the medical field. The MUH LAS MALVINAS sentiment in the average negro Argentinian is both an early warning sign of autism in children, and early on set Alzheimer's in adults.Take your black hairy fingers off your keyboard, and never talk about human affairs again you antiquated farm equipment. No amount of olive oil and wheat flour slabbed on your face every morning will make you white. It's about as delusional of an idea as your daydreams of European heritage. Your crude makeup isn't fooling anyone.You nigger. You make Bolivia look like a beacon of civilisation.You are the Baltimore of South America.Go fertilise the Pampas with you and your families corpses, its the best you can hope for in life. For the first time in your life nigger, you will have a job. Making food for a race of beings of infinitely higher worth than you. Uruguayan cattle. Coincidentally, it would be the first time an Argentinian "man" provided for a family.Die, Diego. No one would miss you. Except for Australian Aboriginals, who now would have no one to make them look good.
>>536544634>geissele 6.5 mememorekek, okay, im just a milsim and fps faggotm14 and m21 EBRs were what escaped my mind earlieri thought the kac sr-25 was more rare and exotic
>>536541639>objective: reduce rebel effectiveness by making them not gain ammo when they kill a zog footsoldier>rebels kill zog footsoldier and take rifle, every zog kill is more ammo againdoesn't add up does it? i think its just more MIC embezzlement and contract kickbacks
>>536544946This anon has seen one too many 'Argentina was 85% White" threads.
>>536544954>m14 and m21 EBRm14s and the shitty conversion are heavy and are not accurate. the sr25 is just fine but KAC are just as corrupt as the rest of the weapons manufacturers so it's too expensive to field en masse. the geissele is also really expensive, but all weapons manufacturers rape the US government for money. there's a reason china is winning and we're just piling up debt.
>>536544739>>536544789Simple as.
>>536540887Corruption plus it's just a fundamentally stupid idea to begin with.
>>536540887>Why did the M7 fail already?Same reason the M14 failed. Its too big and heavy and trying to standardize a battle rifle for everything is stupid.They should have applied the reinforced casing technology to existing 5.56 and 7.62 cartridges then beefed up existing guns to use hotter ammo and given them adjustable gas systems so they could fire the standard pressure ammo as well as the new extra spicy rounds with reinforced cases.It would have been cheaper and more versatile and allowed them to keep current ammo production logistics.
>>536544634>geissele 6.5 mememoreI assure you, that rifle is not a meme
>>536545099everything is a meme
>>536544819We need more green guns like the AUG and AK5c, it's definitely more anesthetic
>>536545263spraypaint
>>536545163But when everything is a meme, nothing is.
>>536541051What happened to simple birdshot?
>>536545065those problems do not sound entirely unfamiliar here either...
>>536542978The M7 is supposed to be a future weapon, not do the same thing as present weapons. Yes the M7 does what existing systems already do but the point is the M7 does them all. This way you can do things like instead of having a squad with assault rifles, one belt fed, and one marksman, you can now have a squad with all the same weapon but configured for different roles, one guy with a specialized grenade launcher or some kind of anti armor rifle or whatever, and one guy holding drone related equipment.In a firefight, there is often one role of a squad being used at a time. The M7 means you can never have your belt fed or marksman disabled or destroyed.
>>536545347zen buddhism gives us much to contemplate>>536545400it's going on in every single western country. jews are trying to kill off white people and everything is breaking. their whole plan is infinite money for infinite corruption for infinite power. they completely ignored that infinite power involves having a functional country, otherwise the government can't enforce tyrannical laws because the cops are busy trying to make sure their own families are safe. they say they're geniuses but they do the same shit over and over and get kicked out or killed and 109 times later they are still doing the same shit.
>>536545565bbbbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzttttt BOOOM
>>536540887.It did not fail, it's like a rare legendary item thing exclusive for good shooters.
>>536545565also you are a fucking retard or SIG is now paying people to defend their shitty products
>>536545649hahaha Sigger internet defense force has arrived to tell you how great this piece of shit is
>>536540887because it's a total piece of shit from india.
>>536543678>/k/ was so mad when they chose SIG's over that bullpup./k/ is a gunles euro-pussy ukraine board for discord trannies, nothing moreits staff posting staff approved memes for other staff to react to
>>536544988You're absolutely correct. cohen is trying to squeeze out as much money from the military. This kike keeps "winning" military contracts left and right for dogshit weapons.
>>536541404Fourth post best post. That kike ruined Kimber, then went on to Sig Sauer to ruin them too
>>536545587jews definitely are not as innocent as they claim to be, but id doubt they are entirely responsible for it themselvesi'll agree that the (((elites))) fuck up way more often than people suspecti think the jews are a lot more scared of you than you realize
>>536541882
>>536545759He gets them because they're Jewish, and now that there's a critical mass of them in government and industry, they're openly taking America down with them.
>>536540887Colt and HK should be the only rifle suppliers.
>>536541639>Not if you're shooting at American citizens on American soilWith a rifle that can't penetrate dirt cheap level IV plates?>and need to use an uncommon ammo they can't use in their own weapons.Because the civilians wouldn't capture firearms with the ammo?
>>536541051So militaries must now include clay pigeon shooting in their training regimen.
>>536540887Too heavy, less rounds per magazine.
>>536546411>So militaries must now include clay pigeon shooting in their training regimen.literally will make no difference at allthe "just shoot the drone!!" trannies are beyond fucking all ass retardation
>>536546411I just assume they are working on an EW solution the soldier either carries individually or is assigned to one person like the ole Tommy gun was in dubya-dubya-two.
too much recoilsmaller mags heavier
>>536541976
>>536546187Yeah that is an overpriced burris eliminator.
>>53654565If SIG can't make the NGSW weapon they should quit. But all this about NGSW as a concept being bad is retarded. Lets look at an example. A commander is tasked with killing an enemy infantry force of 100 with 80 rifles, 10 belt feds, and 10 marksmen. If five of the marksmen are destroyed, the total marksmen forces is reduced by half. But if any one of the 100 can become a marksman at anytime that makes killing the force much more difficult. Even if they're not all the same marksman skill, a 10% hit rate is about the same as a 65% hit rate on effecting enemy troops besides hitting them.
>>536546339Taking far more than American down with them. Those contracts I referenced are global.
>>536545776I used to want a kimber.
Every infantry rifle should have t H e 40mm grenade launcher underneath with anti drone rounds in the chamber.
>>536540887>heavy>fucking huge >that still doesnt help with recoil somehow >oh shit we can only carry half round counts we were before >barrels shit the bed after ~1k rounds >did i mention a fully loaded and kitted rifle is FIFTEEN FUCKING POUNDS jew corruption and standard fed niggery brought us to this point replacing the m16 series of rifles is retarded anyway, we already perfected them with the help of euros helping us understand direct impingement is dumb
>>536547436>Every infantry rifle should have t H e 40mm grenade launcher underneath with anti drone rounds in the chamber.wouldnt do jack nigger shitthere is no "defense" from FPV drones...periodhuman meat is completely countered by FPV drones entirely
>>536547492>>fucking hugeI'm used to hearing that.>pic related is me
>>536541051SIG and the entire defense sector got absolutely mogged by housewives and babusyas building flying IED's in their basements lmao
>>536545353Shotguns do get used in Ukraine to kill drones, BUT>You still need a rifle to fight people so you're lugging around another long gun>They only work pretty close-inYou get one, maybe two shots before it's on you detonating.They've developed some anti-drone 5.56 but it's like $5 a round.
>>536545565>Instead of having different weapons with different strengths we'll all have the same weapon that's not as good at any particular roleWhat are these people thinking?
>>536541051This era of warfare is so incredibly gay and lame
>>536546499Those exist already they just don't work against fiber optic.
>>536548038But we're talking about squad weapons, not specialized weapons. If a specialized weapon is needed, bring it too.
>>536546381US Army would collapse within weeks in a civil war scenario with the M7. Ammo would ran out very quick and air-based supply wouldn't help.
>>536541877I see you too were in the US military.
>>536544650there are hundreds of videos from both sides of them assaulting positions, taking on infantry and drones at the same time, in them you never see drone swarms, its a couple trickle in at a time, in some of them they pull out because the losses but in others the drones only injure a few people but not enough to stop them, so on the map you see the front line doesnt move often but its not a static line, people are going back and forth over basements and ruins, seemingly insignificant but I guess that's the way
>>536540887The only thing you need to force vaccinate a family of cutlet race against their will is Stoner's AR.A slow and damnation death they hopefully survive.
>>536541877Anon did you ever see the original ABU's? The CMSAF was wearing a set at my basic commencement speech and the shit was turning fuchsia and purple. It was actually embarrassing. The pattern they ended up with was only a little better, but was such shit camouflage that the company that made it used to have an apology for it on their website.
>>536545565>supposed to bethose jew felching niggas can't see 2m in front of them or they wouldn't be supporting AI so hard.
>>536540887because it's all about money and sig got a lot of it
>>536541639you know the meaning of those paintings right?Clinton=WhoreBush=immature idiot
>>536543457You shut your completely reasonable argument having upside down whore mouth koala fucker. We have AUG at home and it's just as bullpup. Maybe even more bullpup than yours.
>>536540887Because no one is actually fielding the body armor this weapon was supposedly designed to defeat and drones (any grenade honestly) heem anything you could wear.
>>536540887Notice none of the guntube shills will talk about this fiasco and their blunders or who owns Sig.
>>536549665Because sig pays them.
>>536549500With a little work this ole boy can look like a BR55
>>536540887>Why did the M7 fail already?Because it is low quality rifle built by company owned by Cohen, chambered in retarded caliber.
>>536540887Overengineered piece of trash that requires a full logistics switch out. Who the fuck thinks sticking a silencer on a heavy machine gun is a great idea? >>536541168>>536541639Literally why AP ammo exists.
>>536549854There's a thought
>>536542507>5.56Can't penetrate cheap $30 plastic body armour.
>>536544650War = battle of resources. Humans = expendable resources. Whatever side runs out of resources first wins, the other win condition is making it passed the meat grinder and taking over a capital city and forcing a surrender out of threat of mass civilian genocide
Beeg gun
The parent company for SIG Sauer GmbH & Co. KG, Sig Sauer, Inc. and SIG Sauer AG is Lüke & Ortmeier Holding Gruppe, aka L&O Holding and almost everything on the internet about them is scrubbed.
>>536549615>Because no one is actually fielding the body armor this weapon was supposedly designed to defeatNot true. American police do. The M7 would be great if you were attempting to arm a militia to hunt pigs.
>>536550041If they were all volunteers it'd be one thing. Damned waste.
>>536549854>>536549936Gun Jesus said the same thing about the prototype.
doesn't it use some weird ammo only like one jewish company even makes
>>536545092That doesn't sound profitable.
>>536550082that just means its jewishyoull find the same formula from churches to banks, it means subsidiary of rothschild inc
>>536550172Ole Kel Tec
>>536550389They really need a sober companion for after the "brainstorming" phase of development.
>>536550605But they create such magic
>>536542348> GWOT millennials almost killed off the big bullets crowdthis is retarded. The GWOT millenials got tired of shooting people 7 times and them still living and then got tired at being completely outgunned and outranged in the mountains of afghanistan.The army was totally content with the status quo until the war in the Ukraine showed that long engagement ranges were here to stay.Unfortunately (for zogbots), the kiked army outsourced the work to corrupt jews (sig), so you’re getting a retarded cartridge in a retarded gun with a retardedly expensive optic.
>>536540887It's not an M4.
>>536540887>weighs 10 lbs loaded>ammo looks fucking heavy>20 rounds>99% of military small arms engagements devolve into spray and pray>heaviest rifle fielded since WWII>zogbots weaker than ever>sit inside gooning all day and not working outGee I wonder why. >but muh body armor penetrating roundsWho gives a fuck? If you shoot someone, even in the body armor, even with a shit round like the 556, they are at least going down and will probably run away like a bitch. Who even cares? They could build 100 drones for the price of one of these pieces of shit. Small arms are a dead end technology. This obcession with finding the next "best" small arm is fucking pointless. Its as stupid as buying a new Iphone every year even though there's no fucking difference. At least a new Iphone has a new battery in it. This is nothing but an excuse to pay some faggot political donor money to make soldiers less safe and effective. Everyone involved in this shit should be shot for treason.
>>536540887Yes, everybody hates it.
>>536550082Here is a clue. Sig Sauer was founded by Jews and Freemasons.
>>536541639>Not if you're shooting at American citizens on American soil, and need to use an uncommon ammo they can't use in their own weapons.That's not at all in any American doctrine >former infantry ZOGbot
>>536540887Because it was a retarded idea. >Fighting the last war instead of planning for the likely next one>Thinking M16/M4 platform is old, so we need to replace it with some new wowie high tech wunderwaffe>SIGThe M7 achieves one goal (penetration of Level IV rifle plates) at the expense of several serious downgrades from the M4 (mag capacity, weight, recoil). And those downsides are the kind of thing that has a real world, every fucking day negative impact on every single person who has to carry and use it. Just so they can theoretically have a better chance of dealing with Talibans on the opposite side of a mountain valley, or Russian/Chinese paratroopers wearing top tier rifle plates.Furthermore, that same "upgrade" can be achieved while maintaining the same basic M4 platform by taking advantage of modern metallurgical advances to strengthen the barrel/barrel extension and bolt face, in conjunction with muh Peak Alloy (steel) cases to safely push chamber pressure up to 80k-100k psi in the new M855A1+ ammo and the HICAR program.
>>536542068AKs are shitty, unergonomic trash designed primarily to equip retarded conscripts for the cheapest price.
>>536552033>wunderwaffekek
>>536540887>Why did the M7 fail already?Shit cartridge, shit gun, shit company, extremely fringe use case, and the M4 already exists. The entire M7 project was literally just jews scamming the American taxpayer for billions of dollars, with the blessing of our jew-controlled government.
>>536541877Except it worked perfectly in its intended environment.>If you want to know who the U.S. is planning on invading next, determine where their latest camo works the best
>>536540887Remember that this rifle was at the top level designed with performance specifications laid out by the same engineers at the government that demanded everything for the M10 Booker, which once complete, ended up not meeting the very requirements they were making those specifications for. M4 isn't being replaced.
Why are military weapons such ass
It's a shit rifle meant for shitskin mutts. The m4 is king and will never be dethroned.
>>536552584Looks like some /arg/ nigger rig with the meme tri pod grip and faggot paint.Get with the times. Its all MARS lower with VCOGs now.
>>536551159I actually own an RDB. I just wish the plastic was better. It's kinda chunky IRL.
>>536542786Level VI ceramic/uhmpue hybrid armor already beats mil-spec 5.56
>>536541639That’s the truth about the armor they are really worried about.
>>536541051I mean yeahThere are also Not retarded drone specific optics and fancy varmint rounds specific for drones. You need your shotgun men and your rifle boys BOTH.
>>536541639Fuck dudePut me in the reddit screenshot also the game
>>536553305Doesn't Springfield also have a bullpop they that make semi auto only? Imports from somewhere
>>536553803VHS.
>>536542463Underrated comment
>>536540887Theres a reason the Marines chose the M27 instead and it isnt crayons.
>>536540887That shit looks heavy
>>536553949Only to feminine SISSIES like you!(sarcasm)
>>536550172Fascinating
>>536543457I am a literal Army SF combat veteran and I have never once in my life heard the term>POBwhat the fuck faggot nigger buzzword trash is that? Fucking kill yourself you fucking dumbass poser nigger bitch.
>>536548055Its just another technological leap forward like the machine gun and muskets which were incredibly fucking gay and changed everything.
>>536554033Imagine running around with heavy ass rifle? No thank you, an ak47 will do.
>>536554233Yeah I bet! You're just not SMART enough to operate a REAL platform. Any sub room temp IQ can wield an AK platform.
>>536554291>You're just not SMART enough to operate a REAL platform.Worked for these guys
It's a cool rifle but it reintroduced a lot of the problems the AR and 5.56 solved.>rifle is heavy again>rifle is big again (M4)>ammo is heavy again>recoil is a factor again>accessories and components aren't quite as easily swappable anymoreNot to mention the immense undertaking of having to rebuild 50 years of inventory and supply chains for parts, ammo and accessories.You're going to need the 40k Lasgun with limb amputating power and solar or campfire recharge power packs to replace the M4.
>>536554431>Get slaughtered for years>hide in le caves>America leaves after public demand>crawl out of cave>claim victoryVietnam 2.0
>>536554592You can't win wars, you mutt army is pathetic, the reason why you lose, paper tiger
>>536554233All /k/uck tacticool die in the first shoot, it don't work in a war on long term
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>>536540887Muttmerica military only use is to serve as test ground for prototypes and experiments of MIC, not to win wars, ignore all /k/ope shills here, they don't know any shit about these matters beyond their favorite gay youtuber
>>536540887>Why did the M7 fail?extreme weight, heavy recoil, low ammunition capacity, and steep lifecycle costs?
>>536541639Fugg
>>536544739Damn, took you this long to figure it out?
>>536544739War is ritual human sacrifice.Same as it ever was.
>>536549870>>Why did the M7 fail already?>Because it is low quality rifle built by company owned by Cohen, chambered in retarded caliber.is that the 6.8SPC ???
>>536554774snizz
>>536540887It failed because of pic related. >>536549226My MTI’s were so sun bleached that some trainee asked him how he gets to wear arctic ABUs. I actually liked the ABU. It didn’t pretend to be for combat, it set itself apart from the other branches, and it payed homage to the Vietnam Era’s tiger stripes.
>>536558241bullpup enjoyers can never win
>>536552347Kek, no it didn’t. The Army did surveys and reports on it. It admitted before Congress that MARPAT and some foreign camos were superior. The Army spent 2 billion dollars to look like shit and get its soldiers killed.
>>536542196Looks easier to clean too.All them doodads gimcracks and greebles on a gun that's a fuck of a lot of shit to keep clean.
>>536544634I'm thinking about rebarreling my Molot VEPR from 308 Boomer to 6.5 mememore, are you liking it? How's the noise, recoil and throat/gas port of the barrel fairing?
>>536542184>>536542463>jew idjej, hk nigger in shambles.
>>536540887Small arms are obsolete, only drone tech is the new meta.
>>536552584Imagine unironically using the magpul troonmag while also shilling for a DI leaky gassy m4./arg/ niggers everywhere.
>>536540887For perspective, the Colt Monitor from 1925 fulfilled the program's requirements better than the M7. Adopting the Colt Monitor as the new standard infantry rifle in the 21st century would have been retarded, but somehow less retarded than the M7.
>>536558966OOOOOOOOOOH SEXXXXXXXXXXXNeed.
>>536546156>jews definitely are not as innocent as they claim to be, but id doubt they are entirely responsible for it themselvesCome on krautbro, sure, they've got sellout goy traitors helping them, but dig deep enough in every shitty thing going on in the world and in the deepest darkest shtetl at the bottom hides the jew behind it all. Our ancestors warned us for millennia, your (and partly mine too) ancestors tried to do something about it in the 30's and 40's.These inbred schizophrenic psychopaths have been trying to destroy the world since talmudism was a thing and likely before.
>>536551712>Everyone involved in this shit should be shot for treason.Everyone running all our countries for the last 60+ years should be shot for treason. The cunts that passed the federal reserve Act in 1913 (looking at you Woodrow Wilson may you fester in hell) should be dug up, pissed on and shot for treason and gifting the world to jews.
>>536545751One day we will be able to return to our occupied homeland /k/omrade. Ave nex alea.>>536554592If you really look into the war in Afghanistan, the US actually spent years cowering in FOBs. The whole "we won all the battles" cope isn't even true, the US just straight up lost a couple battles, like the battle of Kamdesh, and Operation Red Wings. The US also was also forced to retreat from a few bases due to constant pressure, like FOB Salerno. The US and their local auxiliaries never actually controlled more than a small portion of the country, in terms of land area it was only like 40% at the absolute max, and even that was "controlled" in the sense that the US was able to patrol reasonably safely, not in the sense that the locals had any respect for the US or their puppet government. The main reason American casualties in the war weren't way higher was because the US pretty quickly just gave up on actually trying to conduct any sort of real occupation.>>536558982The Colt Monitor is pretty sexy. I'm sure .30-06 is pretty rough out of that barrel though.
>>536559984>The Colt Monitor is pretty sexy. I'm sure .30-06 is pretty rough out of that barrel though.The BAR which the Monitor is based on is a really heavy gun. Recoil wouldn't be the problem hauling it around would be. The new M7 weighs 8.8 lbs, the BAR weighed 19 lbs and the Colt Monitor still weighed 13.2 lbs.
>>536541051put one in your mouth then
>>536545092>>536550213>That doesn't sound profitable.It could be. The government writes the contracts and they regularly over charge us for military industrial complex goods.The people who charge $20 for a single bolt in an aircraft carrier or $8000 for a barber chair on an army base aren't going to have a problem with overcharging for modified 5.56 and 7.62 based platforms.
Man im so fucking glad to see all these hardened veterans and war fighters on here ready to share their professional opinions on what kind of firearms the military should use. Thankfully your not just a bunch of kids and retarded no guns basement dwellers repeating talking points of youtube entertainers and circular internet gun forum myths.Cause when I think about about making life and death decisions about what gear to carry I totally listen to anonymous retards on an anime / porn image board that think the third reich was based. Nevermind that they only lasted a decade their uniforms were cool bruh.Fucking retards.
>>536540887>Why did the M7 fail already?who cares, darpa has signal weapons that fry your brain and make you throw up and shit yourself to death.
>>536549391Yes Sukshit, everyone can immediately tell what they mean, that is why he posted it you fucking subhuman
>>536560120>The BAR which the Monitor is based on is a really heavy gun. Recoil wouldn't be the problem hauling it around would be.I was thinking more about the fact that it'd be like flashbanging yourself with every shot.>The new M7 weighs 8.8 lbsI'm pretty sure that's with the civilian barrel not the heavy barrels the military uses, and also not including the weight of the suppressor, which is apparently going to be standard, which sort of defeats the point of the barrel length requirements anyway.>the Colt Monitor still weighed 13.2 lbs.Swap out the wood furniture for polymer and you can get that down to about 11 pounds. Bubba in his garage could make a gun that fits the program requirements better than Sig did.
>>536560681So that's called an ad hominem, its in the little sticky on the front page of the board. Its there to tell new fags how not to be a new fag. I posted it here for your convenience (pic related). I suggest you go read it. Or did you actually have a point to make about why the M7 or its caliber is a good choice for a standard service rifle?
Rate my Cal tools. Almost dome with the game, it's been a good time.
>>536560985>Swap out the wood furniture for polymer and you can get that down to about 11 pounds.It exists actually. It weighs 11.75 lbs for the 16 inch version. 12.5 lbs for the 20 inch.https://oowinc.com/product/hcar/
god i hate tacticool shit and everything about faggot American guns after 'NAM>>536559984>If you really look into the war in Afghanistan, the US actually spent years cowering in FOBs. The whole "we won all the battles" cope isn't even true, the US just straight up lost a couple battles, like the battle of Kamdesh, and Operation Red Wings. The US also was also forced to retreat from a few bases due to constant pressure, like FOB Salerno. The US and their local auxiliaries never actually controlled more than a small portion of the country, in terms of land area it was only like 40% at the absolute max, and even that was "controlled" in the sense that the US was able to patrol reasonably safely, not in the sense that the locals had any respect for the US or their puppet government. The main reason American casualties in the war weren't way higher was because the US pretty quickly just gave up on actually trying to conduct any sort of real occupation.yeah..this seems much more accurate, otherwise, we would have never evacuated in a rush and leaving all our shit.... we fuckin lost
>>536560985>>536561082Oh, you posted a picture of it. I didn't notice for some reason.
>>536561122>yeah..this seems much more accurate, otherwise, we would have never evacuated in a rush and leaving all our shitThe Afghans never supported the government we built which was composed of laughably corrupt assholes making money off the heroin trade while being protected by CIA spooks. As soon as we stopped protecting the Afghan military and they had to actually fight to protect the corrupt assholes they promptly surrendered to the Taliban rather than getting killed for nothing.The occupation was basically two decades of the Taliban hiding in the mountains and taking pot shots at us while planting IEDs, while we stayed in the areas we had control over and left the Taliban alone unless they fucked around enough for us to start bombing them with air power. Both sides learned not to put themselves in situations where they were vulnerable and the Taliban basically just won by waiting for us to leave.Very similar to our loss in Vietnam really.
>>536561323we fuckin lost>bombing them with air power>complains about IEDsget the fuck outta here, zogtardour military is dogshitwould be completely fuckin hopeless without MUH AIR POWAH, which is exactly how it turned outUS can't do god damn shit without Air Supremacy
>>536561705Did I say we didn't lose you dumb fuck? I fucking ended it by saying Afghanistan was very similar to our loss in Vietnam you illiterate dip shit.
>>536561774glad we settled that
