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It isn’t being discussed much despite being one of the big 3 fortress belt cities and the largest city Russia has threatened to take since July 2022
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>>536544234
>the largest city Russia has threatened to take since July 2022
I don't believe its bigger than Pokrovsk, Avdeevka, Bakhmut, etc. Probably about on par with them. And I guess no one wants to talk about it because Russia capturing cities like this happens regularly at this point so its not anything special anymore. On the other hand, pro-Ukraine people obviously never want to talk about anything disfavorable for their side regardless. They'll instead spam gore of some individual person getting blown into giblets and tell you that Russia is losing based off that and insist stuff like losing cities like this one doesn't matter.
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>>536544234
>Stinkiyv still unfucked
That shithole has been quivering and clenching in anticipation for months already.
There can be too much foreplay
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>>536544786
>Stinkiyv
That's where Ukraine is storing their corpses. When Russia captures that place, the true scope of the horror of this war will finally be known.
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>>536544786
When Stinky is fallen Zelensky is done
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>>536544898
>When Stinky is fallen Zelensky is done
the war doesnt end untill the last ukrainian male dies
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>>536544754
Quite a bit bigger than any of those.
>Pokrovsk - 30 km2
>Bakhmut - 42 km2
>Konstaninyvka - 66 km2
The last time they took something bigger was Lysychansk in July 2022(96 km2)
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>>536544786
Every Ukrainian town becomes a mini Verdun that Russia spends over a year meatgrinding and claims to have captured 8-12x before actually doing so...if they actually do so. It's hit and miss.
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stinky bros...it's coming home
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>>536545106
Even so, this one IS bigger than anything they’ve taken since Summer of 2022.

And if we ignore the initial mobile phase of the war (Feb-April), it would be the third largest city they’ve taken the whole war, only behind Mariupol and Lyschchansk
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nobody talks about this stupid gay as war because it moves at a snails pace. that city has been under siege for like eight months now. what the fuck is there to talk about? barn house number #9782 exchanged hands today? wow front page news right there.
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>>536545094
Okay. Guess I was wrong. But a city can technically sprawl over a larger area yet still have a lesser population density. So I don't know.

Regardless, its surely been evacuated before the battle started anyway.
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>>536545090
funny that Stinky means probably «walls» in Ukrainian, the correct prononciation would be «stenky»
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>>536545159
>stinky bros...it's coming home
What does the name of that place actually mean in Slavic? Surely not the same thing it means in English, right?
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>>536545106
>every town Russia captures was a mini-verdun ukraine spent a year dying in a horrific meatgrinder only to lose and retreat to the next town it doenst even want anyway

you faggot nigger ukroids pretend like arent the meatgrinding victims Russia was meatgrinding, to to take the ukrainian town ukraine didnt even want anyway

it makes no fucking sense...what a dumb shit nigger cope
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>flatten a city to dust
>no power
>no water
>all valuable industry/etc reduced to rubble which is then shelled some more
>populace either fled or killed by nork artillery
>uraaahhhh we captured the city!
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>>536544234
Their goal was to take it by February and they failed miserably. Russians are basically fucked into a stalemate. Must be embarrassing.
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>>536545219
>ukraine will kill off its entire male population for a single barn in town #590854 it didnt even want anyway

LMAOOOOOOO
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>>536545377
So will Russia apparently. You thought your demographics were bad Before the war. Russia is certain to balkanize now that they are unable to win this war.
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>>536545206
They haven't taken it though so what are you talking about?
>>536545327
huh?
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>>536545365
>Russia isnt winning fast enough...therefore they are losing!!!!

ukraine nigger cope is so pathetic its mind boggling
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How's stinky doing? Is it holding? It must stand firm, if it loosens, the entire war goes to shit
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>>536545462
Pathetic. Your country failed and you have to sit here and cope about it. Better than being on the front, eh vatnigger.
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>>536545432
>Russia is certain to balkanize now that they are unable to win this war.

AHHAHHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAA
AHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHA
AHAAHHAHAHHA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHHAHHA

lmao ukroid niggers will be bonging beers for MTV spring break:Crimea™ with Putin swinging from a noose Sadam style before Russia balkanizes

urkainian fantasies are sad, pathetic and completely derived from an alternate reality where "ukraine is winning!", divorced entirely from the one they actually live in
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>>536545486
the best Azov units are there, holding strong
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>>536545509
>Pathetic. Your country failed and you have to sit here and cope about it. Better than being on the front, eh vatnigger.

may we see the failure?
the 1991 borders may as well be on the moon at this point
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>>536545324
Perhaps walls
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Even when Russia captures Donetsk, it won't matter. Europeans and Americans want Ukrainians to fight to the last Ukrainian so Russia will be forced to capture even more territory.
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>>536545556
>the best Azov units are there, holding strong
i cant even imagine what "the best azog unit" is considered 5 years into this war

lmao its a "true believer" batallion that suffers TOTAL AZOG DEATH a dozen times over...i bet literally ZERO human life from pre-2022 azog are still alive today
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>>536545622
>Even when Russia captures Donetsk, it won't matter. Europeans and Americans want ukrainians to fight to the last Ukrainian so Russia will be forced to capture even more territory.

ukrainians themselves seem entirely fine with fighting untill the last ukroid male dies.
not a peep of protest out of them on it either
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>>536545622
what is surprising there, Russia offered a peace deal before this advance and explained why if they refuse it will get more. The whole point was if hohols surrender the Donbass without loses russia can stop, if instead alot of people die how do you explain to the army why can’t you take more now? It’s kind of payed already.
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>>536545324
Roughly like "walled town"
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>>536545432
Even if you take Ukraine's official casualty figures at face value (lol) they've still lost a significantly higher proportion of their fighting age male population than Russia. This is on top of losing fully half(!) of their pre-war population due to emigration and Russian territorial seizure. If a western-aligned Ukrainian rump state does manage to survive the war they are, as /pol/ predicted from day one and they're already talking about, going to immediately try to flood it with niggers and jeets to "rebuild", and good luck getting all the Azov Banderite neo-nazis they've been cultivating for the past however many years to acquiesce to that
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>>536544234
all the ukraine shills will tell you ukraine is winning still. there are literal shill farms all over europe now working for ukraine 24/7
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>>536546158
the casualties proportion is very easy to tell in the drone war. Whoever advances have less, because you advance only by overpowering, sending more drones and shells. It is not like ww2 when you storm the fortifications with rifles and knives and there for advancing part loses more. It is now exactly the opposite.
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>>536546224
Zelensky was running media business before becoming a president. Ukraine is very good in propaganda, they even sell this bullshit to the whole Europe. Staged pics, fake reports, professional photo shootings of dead people. It looks like first they call the photographers and only then medics.
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>run out of tanks
>run out of BMPs
>run out of BTRs
>completely extinct the MTLB except for maybe a museum has one somewhere
>run out of Chinese side by sides
>run out of Chinese ATVs
>run out of Chinese dirt bikes
>run out of horses
>blyat we advance on foot then!

Nobody is really going to "win" this war. There will be a DMZ where Russia will keep what they've plundered so far and Ukraine will join NATO. The real loss comes after, where Russia can't afford to and no longer knows how to replenish their Soviet lostech. And on the opposite side, Ukraine will get the EUbux flowing in.

It will be like East/West Germany was, except worse because there won't be a unification to save the east.
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>>536546679
i don’t think EU will give a cent of it is not for a dead Ukrainian. Ones they don’t attack russia anymore there will no money.
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>>536546480
>ukraine is very good in propaganda

ukraine is so awful at propaganda, the propaganda they put forth in this war was the single most self-damaging, suicidal, self-harming information warfare ever waged, and is single handedly responsible for their *loss*
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>>536546679
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO nigger please

there will never EVER be a "frozen conflict" or some psychotic nato DMZ zone on Russias fucking front door
not ever. the precise, and sole reason this 'war' is even happening is to preclude exactly that
the war ends with the complete total and unilateral, unconditional surrender of the ukraine
the ukraine's sacrifice meant nothing
the ukraine's fate is final
the ukraine will become an 'un-marked grave' to the liberal world order
the ukraine will be forgotten and buried, like the hundreds and thousands of men it pointlessly sent to their death
>20% of the ukraine is now Russia Federation again
>1million+ the ukrainian men killed/wounded
>the ukraine has no power, water, sanitation or lights nationwide,
>the ukraine will freeze,
>the ukraine will never receive the offensive/defensive weapons systems it demands to guarantee civilian safety and comfort.
>the ukraine will psychologically snap,
>the ukraine will be demilitarized, de-industrialized, de-populated, balkanized
and
>zelensky WILL cry in the presence of Putler when he signs the unilateral and unconditional surrender of the failed
state formerly known as 'ukraine', live on tv.
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>>536546973
you lost, ivan
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>>536546784
Could you be more of an ESL shitskin? Nobody "attacked" Russia until they invaded. Now your AA cuckolds watch as your refineries and ships get smacked between the buns by a Temu drone with an RPG warhead strapped to it. And thus far at least you haven't been able to do anything about it. It's actually fucking comical.
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>>536546973
The VPN flag doesn't convince anyone when you're this obviously ESL. Didn't read it beyond that.
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>>536544234
The great rock of Stinky was the true key of the Ukraine.
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>>536546973
i don’t even get what hohols are fighting for, they have been Russia for 1000 years, how do they even know it would have been better otherwise. They were only independent from Russia once in the history of that place, during ww2 occupation by Nazis.
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>>536545354
This level of cope can't be healthy anon.
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>>536545432
>So will Russia apparently
Russia hasn't even had to resort to anything beyond regulars lmao.
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>>536545762
The rest of the country is also significantly easier to take than donbass.
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>>536547221
>capture a bunch of their territory under a bunch of false or outright esoteric reasons
>almost a decade later attack them again and your opening salvo is to kill a bunch of women and kids
>"Why do they persecute us so?"
Russians are just snow jews, in the end.
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>>536547063
Ruzzia gave you plenty of warnings about expanding gayto eastward and especially about The Ookraine joining gayto and you fagots say "hurrr durrr we can do what we want to do" No... you can't do whatever you want because now you're in a war you're losing and can never win.
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>>536544786
I have been enjoying the stinky memes for a few years but i think it's so tiny and so thoroughly bombed to shit there isn't going to be a memeable stinky liberation day
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>>536547297
>cope
Go look at any city or town they've "captured" and then tell me it has any actual value.

>>536547321
>wagner penal battalions
>entire donbabwe male populace sent out and slaughtered almost to a man
>actual fucking Norms
Turn off the VPN.
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>>536545327
It's what happens when your country is run by jews and its okay with the utter and complete anihilation of its men.

Ukrainians truly don't matter in this war.
They are being killed by the tens of thousands to defend cities that were always Russia and nobody even cares about.

And then they accuse Russia of doing exactly that.
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>>536544234
Why is it called Stinky? What's happening there?
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>>536546679
>and Ukraine will join NATO

AHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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>>536547365
Every hohol, they grandparents and so on were literally fed and bred by russia, including their speak and culture. They reached fucking 50 millions by being in russia and probably mean 90 kilos. Now they have EU ruling over just less than a decade and they are turned into a cannon fodder immediately, to slow down Russian development. 20 millions are already gone, it is even more than during nazi occupation.
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>>536547369
>another red line in the sand
You're lucky I'm not actually in charge because I would have handed Ukraine a couple nukes and told you to fuck right off. I'm safe in the US, don't have any troops on the ground, and get to watch from the comfort of my nice home as Russia sends meat waves to the drone mulcher in 4k video.

I have no actual stake in the war, but damn if it isn't wild watching Russia get knocked down to Africa-tier even more than it was already. You faggots just lost a missile Corvette to some Temu drones. Against a country that has no navy. It's like getting to watch the Russian-Japanese war except your fleet is even less competent somehow.
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>>536545354
Maybe not captured but destroyed ukraine can't use it anymore anymore though
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>>536547602
>if Sweden joins NATO we will do something! This is our final warning!
>if Finland joins NATO we will do something! This is our final warning!
Ook ook.

>>536547630
TLDR turn off the memeflag.
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>>536547686
what the fuck are you talking about nigger?

ukraine is being annihilated in wild Russian missile salvos sobbing for help at every possible breath....what the fuck does a single boat do to regain the 1991 borders?

crimean beach party when?
lmao, imagine thinking Russia would have ever tolerated anyone "giving nukes" to ukraine.
ukraine would be 10000 sivert ash right now before they even crossed the missile parts onto ukroid soil
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>>536547473
Have you seen Mariupol? Do you honestly think cities can't be rebuilt? I guess Hiroshima and Nagasaki were done for too
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>>536547686
Russia is winning thought. When will be your Iran deal?
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>>536547737
I just don't understand what they actually stand to gain with this territory they've plundered. It's completely flattened, unpopulated, and the ground is basically poisonous from heavy metals. There will be UXO found for the next 100+ years making it even less habitable. They've pummeled it into useless clay and then parade it as some sort of prize.
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>>536544234
Another cauldron battle where the Russians surround the Ukrainians on 3 sides and bombard them.
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>>536547801
lmao, and london wouldnt dare putting the provocative weapons they absolutely intended to put in those countries because they would be instantly oreshniked into dust the moment they did

it was basically just lip service for finland and sweeden to demoralize ukraine
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>>536547932
LMAOOOOOOOO
>ukraine didnt want it anyway! its useless!!
makes you wonder why it was worth killing their whole male population off to defend poisoned soil doesnt it?
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>>536547801
Do you think the Swedes and Finns are happy to have joined NATO?
What about the Danes?

Who the fuck is proud of NATO now that it has no purpose, no defensive mission and is nothing but a humiliating subjugation to the United States?

Who the fuck are you? An Estonian? An Ukrainian?
And how fucking young are you? 16? 15?
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>>536547932
Ukraine isn't oppressing the Russians in that area with impunity anymore
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>>536547851
>Russia would have ever tolerated anyone "giving nukes" to ukraine.
Russia literally wouldn't have done shit. You can't beat up your neighbor, let alone tango with the USA.

>>536547876
It's still a bombed out husk and Japan was rebuilt by quite literally the greatest economic power humanity has ever achieved. Russia can't even build new APCs, let alone rebuild a shelled out country.
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>>536547954
They do this cauldrons on purpose, for propaganda. You can defend the cities for longer by keeping there army and use it for the news about «russia is not winning fast», but everything around gets obviously encircled with time. They literally sacrifice hohols for the lulz. The cokehead has maximum three days planning horizon.
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>>536547686
>I'll start a nuclear war
>Because I'm safe in Muttmerica
>I have no actual stake in the war

Kek
You are mentally insane because nobody is this dumb.
I bet you're a Ukrainian soldier who lost his legs while his wife and daughters have been prostitutiong themselves to the lower class of immigrants in Western Europe.

Was it worthy? Was it? Tell us Legless cuckold!
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>>536547886
>winning
Winning what? Your grandkids will be dead by the time there's even a chance to economically recover from this fuck fuck circus.

>>536548041
Ukraine wanted it when it was functional land. It wasn't useless. But now? Yeah these cities are quite literally worthless. If they want it back at this point it's purely for morale, there's nothing actually left of value.
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>>536548264
I think Russia has already recovered like few years ago
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>>536548165
Yeah, pretty much.
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>>536547972
>>536548044
Proud American in a cold weather state. With a nice house, nice cars, wife, kids, hunting property. A life you couldn't hope to ever dream to afford, Vlad. Turn off the VPN.
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>>536548094
>Russia literally wouldn't have done shit. You can't beat up your neighbor, let alone tango with the USA.
Russia would have flattened keev and whoever delivered the 'nukes' to them, which is why it never happened and never will
no one is EVER coming to 'save' ukraine

not ever

>>536548264
so why doesnt ukraine just leave the occupied land? Russia has stated 1 million times it only wants the annexed territories that ukraine doesnt even want anyway....so why even bother fighting for them..? do ukroids really believe that the annexxed territories want to be ukrainian?

who would ever want to be "ukrainian" at this point ever again?
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>>536548434
>Proud American in a cold weather state. With a nice house, nice cars, wife, kids, hunting property. A life you couldn't hope to ever dream to afford, Vlad. Turn off the VPN.

thats literally me, and its absurd humidity in the midwest...its about to dump rain on me right now, im watching the lighting and thunder roll in (9:18pm)
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>>536548171
Russia wouldn't do shit and now quite literally can't do shit about the Fingols and Sven being in NATO. All they can do is seethe and VPN post on an anime image board.

I grew up being taught the USSR and then Russia were some turbo power on the other side of the world that could steam across Yurop while we would need to scramble to save them if it happened.

Now I'm watching in high def video as ships you can't afford to replace get smacked by flying lawnmowers and your infantry is being carried around by oxcarts. It's actually somewhat surreal seeing what you were actually capable of all along, because wow it sure isn't much.
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>>536544234
They might reach Kiev in 50 years at this rate. Not bad.
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>>536548439
>neighbor, let alone tango with the USA.
>Russia would have flattened keev and whoever delivered the 'nukes' to them, which is why it never happened and never will
>no one is EVER coming to 'save' ukraine
>not ever
Sure you would have, bud. And we just approved another round of weapons money for the Ukies. So it appears we intend to send more of you to the meat cubes.

>>536548501
It was pretty nice out here today, except for the cottonwood so thick it looked like it was snowing. This time of year I have to rinse out my AC fins once a week from the stuff. Taught my youngest daughter to clap today and she's learning to copy me. Good times.
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>>536548501
Actually I'm sort of annoyed it didn't rain today like forecasted. We got a bit yesterday but I've been wanting to do some planting except my fields are still a dust bowl.
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>>536547932
>>536547932
Lmao they didn’t need it for resources they just need it for geostrategic purposes. The entire country could be a sheet of glass and it wouldn’t matter to Russia as long as nato can’t use it as a staging area.
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>>536547932
>UXO
Watch out guys we've got an expert here
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>>536548763
>Sure you would have, bud. And we just approved another round of weapons money for the ukikes.

lmao they will never get a single dime or a single round of ammo so long as a war including israel is happening you delusioinal schizo tranny

I cant imagine what a daughter must think of a nafoid-father that "defends ukraine" and thinks "ukraine is winning!" in 2026+

lmao you sound like the type of "dad" who will be called by his first name during visiting hours in a few years

>>536548857
you could not possibly live anywhere in the "cold weather America" and be having drought conditions. we've been totally and nearly washed out this year
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This retard lives in a completely different reality. Our military just got completely exposed by Iran and here he is repeating the dumbest lies non-stop about Russia
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>>536545354
>>flatten a city to dust
>>no power
>>no water
>>all valuable industry/etc reduced to rubble which is then shelled some more
>>populace either fled or killed by nork artillery
>>uraaahhhh we captured the city!
And so what? Cities can be rebuilt. Concrete and rebar aren't a zero sum resource, but the land itself is.

Saying the capture of a city is meaningless because concrete and rebar got reduced to rubble when that concrete and rebar can be cleared and rebuilt is sheer /k/ope. Deep down I'm sure you really understand this too, even if you won't admit it outwardly.
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>>536548044
how it started:
>you will never join nato, you're delusional if you think you ever will
how it's going:
>haha I bet you're mad that you joined nato, something I said would never happen

Keep coping and keep moving the goalposts as russia keeps losing more and more. I love watching you squirm and coming up with ever the more ridiculous excuses for why russia's special military operation is such a historically big geopolitical fuckup
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>>536545622
>Europeans and Americans want Ukrainians to fight to the last Ukrainian
You sure its really "Europeans and Americans" who want this?
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>>536549171
welcome to nato finland!!!!!!!!!! enjoy your subservience!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>536549238
There are kikes and non-kikes involved
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>>536549266
>Hahah there's a black guy in the finnish army! Owned!
Is that the best you've got? Sad.
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>2026
>Russian military stuck in a stalemate for 4 years
>with a country they border and have 3.5x the pop
I don't know why people are shilling for them.
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>>536545654
That is a Russian POW. Look at the flag on his shoulder. Also that's the insignia of the 25th Airborne Brigade in the top right
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25th_Airborne_Brigade_(Ukraine)
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>>536550101
The union was 2.5x more populated than the confederacy with an economy 4x bigger and look at how long that war took.
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>>536550941
>nuke russia
You kikes really hate them huh? Well, that just proves they're doing something right. We (in collaboration with Russia, or just on our own as payback for your treacherous attack on the USS Liberty) should nuke your "people" in Tel Aviv instead.
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>>536551503
In the meantime we can watch kino vids of kikes getting droned
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>>536544234
I love stinky threads
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>>536545206
What about Kherson? Or we do we not talk about that city because Russia lost it?
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>>536552836
>What about Kherson? Or we do we not talk about that city because Russia lost it?
We can talk about it. The Russians pulled out of Kherson because it was on the wrong side of the Dnieper. This made it a logistical nightmare. Capturing it early on in the war like they did was premature. Things have to follow a certain logical sequence to be done properly. In this case, Russia needs to wrap up the war on the eastern Dnieper before worrying about the western side of it.
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>>536553478
They captured it because they expected to keep going to link up with naval landings in Odessa and cut off the entire coast.

The landings there failed and due to other issues Russia couldn’t muster enough forces to capture Mykolaiv in those crucial early weeks either.
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>>536553968
No, holding it would have been to expensive and would not have made sense strategically like the other anon said.
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>>536554178
It would have made sense had the original plan worked that was modeled after the 1945 Manchuria campaign.

Honestly they should have pulled out of Kherson in May 2022 and used the troops from there to cover Kharkiv to stop them from losing all that ground there. Kherson was a lost cause from the start, but losing all that ground in Kharkiv hurt them a lot long term
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>>536553968
>They captured it because they expected to keep going to link up with naval landings in Odessa and cut off the entire coast.
Actually they captured it because the mayor of that city unexpectedly flipped sides and handed it over without a fight. But there is such a thing as biting off more than you can chew (or at least more than you can chew at a particular moment) so the timing of this windfall was premature, which is what forced the Russians to evacuate.

When the Russians finish the war in the East, then the timing will be right to return to Kherson. But not before then.
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>>536554545
>but losing all that ground in Kharkiv hurt them a lot long term
How? What you aren't considering is what will happen to Ukraine when the war is over. Putin gave an order at the beginning of the war to minimize casualties as one of the highest priorities. At the end of this war it's highly possible Ukraine will not exist as a state anymore.
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>>536544234
So does either side have any decent commanders or are they both equally retarded? Because I've watched a few videos cover some battles and even in the heavily sanitized whitepill vids it's pretty obvious the Ukrainians are retarded and the Russians are lambs. Does either side have a galaxy brain or are they literally just both full of midwits treating grassy fields like an excel chart where they each just send a few bunches of drafted lotto losers to bait out the other side's anti-vehicle personnel so they can drone strike them and drive a few tanks down the street?
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>>536555578
There are lions among them. See that knife fight 1v1 with the mongol guy and the Ukrainian
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>>536545365
>>536545432
Check out the Braziloid brownoid homosexual from uhg discord, everyone
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>>536544234
NAFO troons will memoryhole it, Fall of Kostiantynivka is the start of donbass 3 fortress belt cities

Kostiantynivka will fall this month, ukrainian forces are already encircled in killbox
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>>536557855
The will find a way to turn it into a peremoga. Probably by claiming that Russia sent imaginary meatwaves to gain territory.
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>>536560259
>>536557855
Has Ukraine even managed to take out a single oil plant in Russia? Because they're peremoging on deep strikes lately
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>>536544786
russians cant penetrate it because lgbt is forbidden
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>>536544234
Because its just a small town that Ukraine has in thousands and the only ones hyping it are desperate cumchuggers who hope that this time capturing it will stop the never ending flow of fpv webms with russian subhumans being droned, it won't.
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>>536557855
Two more killboxes and russia will win?
Lmao you cumchuggers said the same about Pokrovsk.
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>>536545654
>"azov clown"
>giant Russian Empire flag on shoulder
Yeah, okay
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>>536561432
No, they didn’t. They burned oil tanks with drone strikes. The maximum that it accomplished was shutting down the oil plant for repairs for a week or so.
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>>536545324
>Stinky
>Steinky
>Stoneky
>Stony

Stinky is strong. Stinky is hard. Stinky will endure.
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>>536544754
This.
Bad PR for UKROP so they'd rather talk about the few drone hits in St Petersburg
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>>536557855
>NAFO troons will memoryhole it
That's why they aren't talking about it even now. They've already written off Russia's capture of it as inevitable so to save themselves that humiliation they're just going to pretend it never happened at all.

After that comes the Kramatorks agglomeration. Its not going to be easy to downplay that one though, because once that falls Russia will completely control the Donbass.



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