>EU in May banned support for Chinese solar panels citing "security risks">China historically supplies 61% of all solar inverters imported into the EU>shock for renewable energy marketwhat the FUCK are they doing?
>>536548698Supporting local industry instead of allowing chinks to destroy any of the manufactoring we still have leftRelying on shitholes like yours for short term financial gain turned out to not be a viable strategy
>>536548886get in the fucking grob
>>536549143>Give proper counterargument>Third wordler starts chimping out because he cannot be wrong!So when are you gonna join your army, Vanya? Imma donate some of my tax money to Ukraine to get a HD video of you getting droned into your ass.
>>536549143>>536549278and thats why jews rule this continent with an iron fist and are replacing us with jeets
>>536549278>Give proper counterargumentyou stupid niggerfaggot krauts ship all your coal out then buy the power back and claim its sum kinda newgreendeel false moral highground
>>536549628SHUT THE FUCK UPWE ARE NOT GOING TO BUY SOLAR CELLS FROM CHINKSWE ARE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT ANY OF YOUR THIRD WORLD SHITHOLES WITH OUR MONEYWE WILL MAKE OUR OWN AND ANYONE WHO TRIES TO CIRCUMVENT IT WILL GET FUCKEDVERSTANDEN?Or we will end up like you, muttoids, with all the crucial industries located in some 3rd world countries.
>>536549143sometimes i think about how if communism wasn't a thing, there would be like 400 million russians.
What possible security risks could exist in residential solar panels? Fuck the EU. I know a few people that have imported solar systems from China and had them installed, it cost a tenth of what a local business would charge and the panels and systems were superior in their outputs and efficiency than all local offerings. This is just a state sponsored protectionist racket and the entire EU governance structure can suck my dick.
There's an oil crisis in effect and their solution is to kill the only alternative lmao genius
>>536549707lollmfao even poast your negative job numbers from killing off all your domestic industry with regulations and taxes. vag is a done deal and everything else is legacy shit thats well past timelifeoh yah 6 gorillion more nafris will surely make you globally relevant again
>>536549838>What possible security risks could exist in residential solar panels?Toxic materials that are not regulated in China. Unsafe power storage resulting in fires and explosions. Low quality conductors which cause damage to the power grid.If people wanted to sit on an incendiary device they'd go drive a Humvee around Afghanistan.
>>536548698it's touching how concerned russians are for our well-being.
lol iq whites still think they rule the world and getting snapped back by reality
>>536548698>what the FUCK are they doing?Yeah why are greentards refusing to buy the... green shit? On made up claims that the inverters can be manipulated by China as if it isn't trivial to make your own inverters? Because it is deliberate sabotage under the orders of America. Once you finally get it all of it will make instant sense.
>>536548886>eu>supporting local industrythe only industry they are willing to support is that of rape by browns of native europeans
>>536548698> solar panels> "security risk"
>>536548698> "security risks"Again germans destroying europe... Russians should just nuke European capitals and end with this buffoonery
>>536548698Good thing they're all buying Chinese cars.
EU wants deindustrialisation.Evil China is making energy affordable, this is demonic according to EU who desires unaffordable energy.Expensive is a european virtue.
>>536549707>WE ARE NOT GOING TO BUY SOLAR CELLS FROM CHINKSGerman industry require energy though.It's like chopping off your hand to save your nails.LMAO Kraut is mad because he knows he is fucked.
Actually, do you know who uses Inverters? Private citizens.They don't want private citizens to be self sufficient.
>>536549143His country isn't at war, sweaty.
>>536548886If climate change is such a crisis, wouldn't they want green tech to be as cheap as possible so that adoption increases?
>>536548886Except if you read the article, you'd see it still allows for foreign products from Japan, Korea, the US, etc. Fucking NAFO tranny faggot. I can't wait for this shitheap of a union to fall apart.
>>536550769Russia doesn't want a rump state on its borders.
>>536552194inverters arent panels. its somponent that produces an electrical signal. the jews want to control that signal.
>>536548698Notice anytime we approach cheap or free energy, "someone" steps in or out to cut the deal, and make energy cost the same if not more than it once did.I call conspiracy on this energy monopoly.
>>536548698Heh, but they still allow LNG imports from the US even when we threatened them with invading Greenland and pulling out of NATO. "High risk country" lol.
>>536555300>its somponent that produces an electrical signal. the jews want to control that signal.It converts Solar panel voltage to usable 240 V.The electric companies don't need these small personal inverters, they have their own giga structures that convert to 10 000 Volt for transportation.These small Chinese inverters are for private civilians in their summer vacation homes, etc.They don't want your house nor your summer house to be self sufficient.That's what it actually means.
>>536555384>even when we threatened them with invading Greenland and pulling out of NATOYou are the same race as Europe, so you are allowed to rape and pplunder europe.
>>536548698> EU bans funding for clean energy projects oh nothey banned fundinghow dare theyCHINESE EXPORTS WILL HAVE TO BE SUBSIDISEDwhat are you, a commie?
>>536555645The Viking Rule. We only pillage the Europeans and they allow it!
>>536555619no its a security risk just like chinese smartphones: the chinese could put backdoors in the phones, so the government ban them. but in reality the jews put backdoors in all their smartphones. they banned chinese phones because they lack the jewish controlled backdoors, thats what that means.
>>536548698Thirdies are so mad we're not bleeding money at their direction anymore.
>>536556145Actually they should be happy you handicap yourself with unaffordable energy.
>>536556145Are you calling the 2nd largest economy, larger than EU combined "3rd world"?
>Bans chinese routers and solar panels >Approves chinese mega embassy, turns a blind eye to hacking businesses and politicians
>>536548698Time to unironically burn coal kek
>>536553730climate change is a crisis, which is why china is obsessed with renewable energy and sustainable economicsyour stupid little gotcha falls apart when you realize euro leaders are paid off by american OGAM to ignore it. euro leaders' financial wellbeing requires them to force their countries to keep guzzling oil regardless of the consequences
>>536552062germany, and europe as a whole really, is getting busted out by the usand shortly after the us finishes, its gonna get busted out by israel
>>536556217That's mostly because of Germs being retarded about nuclear. Our energy issues have nothing to do with your precious leader Xi-sama
>>536556431>That's mostly because of Germs being retarded about nuclear.Nah, even China itself gets free energy from the sun.It really is a good thing you are sawing off your own legs and arms.
>>536556544Building solar isn't rocket science anymore, it can be done without your grorious homeland China. You seem upset that EU refuses to be their vassal in renewable energy.
>>536556615>Building solar isn't rocket science anymore,But the key is affordability.It's a good thing for the rest of the world that you can't afford solar energy. Effectively you are sawing off your own arms and legs. This is good.
>>536556693Keep crying Chang. Solar panels will still spawn all across Europe, despite EU not subsidizing your cheap slave labor panels anymore.
People won't adopt Solar en-mass unless it's cheap.Can European suppliers produce more and sell cheaper while still being profitable?
>>536556746>Solar panels will still spawn all across EuropeLol retard, you are being deindustrialised.Your battery manufacturers are dying one by one.Now that your energy is more expensive than even, it will cost far more for you to produce solar panels.China? Their electric trucks and electric excavators can run on solar power to fetch more solar power.LMAO
>>536548886>abloobloo it's not fair our neoliberal heirlooms can't compete
>>536548698importing jeets
>>536548698China's dumping will have to be curbed sooner or later, otherwise you're fucked long term. They want to sell everything to the world and buy nothing themselves, clearly stated in the Made in China policy. At that point, why even have China as a trade partner? Some protectionism is needed otherwise there will be no domestic industries because chinks will undercut everything.Now, the way these protectionist policies are implemented and how you balance this is up to debate and can be handled better or worse.
>>536556977UK is not in EU chinkbroidk why you're so worried about EU, mind your own country instead of obsessing over us.
>>536557137Your thinking is primitive.<- this is what happens to your advanced industry if your basic foundational energy becomes more expensive.If importing cheap energy could save Volkswagen, would you do it?Regardless of how you answer, this has already been determined: you are not allowed to import cheap foundational energy.Usa made the same mistake.They banished Chinese steel, to make Usa steel makers more happy.But they forgot their advanced industry (the steel eaters) are far more numerous than the foundational steel makers.They favoured the steel makers, and made the steel eaters suffer.This Muttmerican ecenomy falls off a cliff.You are making the same mistake, just with Energy instead of steel.
>>536557259>UK is not in EUYou are all the same shit from Asia's perspective, if UK is struggling, EU is also strulling.Fact. It is now more expensive than every to produce solar panels in EU. And that's a good thing.
>>536557137Oh, how right you are.https://executiveconcern.substack.com/p/celestial-empire-5dd
How many yuans can one earn by shilling Chyna in 4chan all day? Asking for a friend.
>>536548698get some air and together, RIAAA, RIAAA, RIAAA!
>>536548698Those faggots will give up their freedom and countries to keep prices down.See their reliance on Russian LNG and oil even after Crimea was annexed.
>>536556544>generation capacityNot the right metric. Find the actual power output. Solar will still be high, but solar is always way under generation capacity because it can't generate on demand, only when the sun shines.
>>536557448They have a healthy ratio.When they are asleep, they don't need to use as much electricity.
>>536548698The chinese inverters have killswitches and spyware in them you stupid retard. You want china to be able to turn off the power grid of your country?
>>536557509Personal 240 volt inverters are for private homes, not for power grid.
>EU fears China may turn off the sun like they are Monty Burns so they ban solarNow that's the EU I know and love. We need to immediately increase taxes to build our own Sun.
>>536557509Norway bought a bunch of electric buses from the bugmen, then found out they have kills witches in them.
>>536557477It's wildly different. From April 2026:>...by the end of March, China's total installed renewable energy capacity reached 2.395 billion kilowatts, up 22 percent from a year earlier, accounting for 60.4 percent of total installed power capacity.>During the January-March period, China's renewable energy power generation reached 882.9 billion kilowatt-hours, accounting for approximately 37 percent of the total power generation.https://en.people.cn/n3/2026/0428/c90000-20450924.html
Why not simply buy inverters from Japan? Honda builds decent ones
>>536557828>Things changed from 2025 to 2026Yeah, you can sue me and call the cops.
>>536548886More like disposing free market and capitalism like a used condom the moment it doesn't benefit it's former champions.
Being dependant on other countries, even if they are good people like Russia with it's gas is bad.nuclear energy shutdown in west was greatest tragedy
>>536548698uhm, im so confused.nvm, i dont want to understand, ill just exclude myself from society and patiently await my time for an event where i can freely murder all these faggots.
>>536557509Do you connect your solar panels to the internet? How will chiba access those killswitches?
>>536548886you don't have local industry anymore retard your factories are shutting down because energy costs are too high, take that putin
>>536556786I won't be surprised if they will have to ramp up the coal plants again lol. Nice green politics fucking fags
>>536549143
>>536558672Give it time. Germany will soon backstab the rest of EU and go back to sucking Putin's dick for gas. Putin is already having meetings with Schroeder and AfD is rising in the polls. I hate Germany so fucking much.
>>536558981you do realize when you suddenly post shit like this everyone instantly knows you're a tranny hohol?
>>536559034>Main goal of US foreign interests of the past 100 years was to hinder an alliance between Germany and Russiahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Gouq6hp-0
>>536559333It's also in the interests of every country between Germany and Russia. WW2 was not that long ago.
>>536559466No one cares about the butthurt belt. Go along with it or get conquered. Against
>>536559466>it's in the interest of every country between Germany and Russia to leave the continent economically crippled
>>536559534> globohomo is based when we do it
>>536559525Modern day Poland can kick modern day Germany's ass.
Lol I just built an entire DC microgrid with LiPo4 batteries and new chinese panels and chinese charge controllerand it was cheap as fuckthank you china>>536548698>>536548886>>536549143>>536549278>>536549387
>>536553730outsourcing your entire industrial capacity to countries that give absolutely zero fucks about the environment is not something that actual green people want to do. it is, however, something that kikes like to do in order to destroy your country so they push to destroy your own industries while omitting that they plan to just import everything while stamping a pretty green label on the results.it's no coincidence that green people are also all kikes that just want to destroy civilization but that's just literally every group these days. kikes play all sides after all.
Post things europoors aren't allowed to have (It's even funnier cause their power costs 10x more than americans does)
>>536548886Fpbp /thread
I know I am talking to bots and idiots but if you read the pic carefully, you'll notice that eu is not banning chinese solar inverters
>>536559842I literally live in a house with solar panels...And I thought China was your #1 enemy because they have a stranglehold on your industry with their rare earth elements. Why all the dickriding?
>>536551234Shut up welfare leech
>>536557926No, be more intelligent and improve your reading comprehension. Installed renewable capacity vastly overstates the actual electricity generation of renewables. You need to use the actual electricity generation to get a proper sense of use. Solar/renewable installed capacity is not meaningful because in actual use it generates around 1/3rd that amount of electricity. Solar and renewable use is still very high and on the up, I don't disagree with your underlying premise that China has solved electricity generation with cheap solar panels and will continue to increase in absolute and relative numbers to dominate the grid.
>>536549143i bet he died of old age
>>536559923Free energy exists but they get really pissed if you try to use it. They start complaining about "uranium enrichment" and "Weapons of mass destruction"
>>536548698>what the FUCK are they doing?Crashing the Goydendom with no survivors.
>>536559961How did North Korea and Pakis slip by?
>>536548886lmao of course a german would say this
>>536557509Seething lmao
>>536548698>what the FUCK are they doing?some communication chips were discovered in MPPT and things like that that weren't supposed to have some. Basically China can get into the power grid. And this is what has been discovered, so the surface of the tip of the iceberg.https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/ghost-machine-rogue-communication-devices-found-chinese-inverters-2025-05-14/Plus they catch fire and burn houses for the low cost general public ones.
>>536557509China can turn off your economy anytime they want.
>>536548698Kek, why the seethe, this is how do tariffs, targeting specific goods and industries instead of a blanket tax covering everything.
>>536548698https://www.dw.com/en/why-the-eu-sees-chinese-solar-tech-as-a-major-security-risk/a-77066865>"All inverter companies, they do have something like a kill switch," Christoph Podewils, secretary general of the European Solar Manufacturing Council, told DW. Everything I bought is from Victron, mainly because they still have devices without bluetooth, you have to physically access the device to modify the settings.
>>536551371>>536551549see>>536560491>>536560578
>>536549707You will literally become a sex tourism hotspot again. Just like the good old days.
>>536548886Euros won't buy Chinese for security reasons but they'll let any retard immigrate. Sounds like a viable security strategy to me!
you don't ban until you have an alternative ready. hope they planned this out.
>>536548886Based retardAt least ur not speaking german
>>536550627It says solar inverters, im guessing thats the device that changes the dc into ac electricity.
>>536549707You're going to be a Weimar Republic that serves a GLOBAL clientele, not just a European one.Lookin' forward to throwing up on a German teenager's tits so she can afford a loaf of bread.
Yea I'm sure this isn't going to backfire like every other decision the 'E'U has made.What security risks lol. Solar panels are literally just a flat sheet of silica framed in aluminium. They don't even contain PCBs lol. In fact PCBs cost you extra.
>>536548698They're doing exactly what China is doing: putting subsidies where their state policy has an interest.After all, all those Chinese solar panels are cheaper because the CCP subsidises them on purpose to put other countries' industries on their knees and once China secures the market, they can work towards making it profitable too.So it's a taste of their own medicine.Why do brainlets whine about not being able to buy "cheap chinkshit" because of their 'corrupt governments' but refuse to see that it's the corrupt Chinese government that uses dumping policies to destroy your industries?
>>536560634There are already some european companies like Victron, Steca/Kontron, Schneider, etc.
>>536560733Not the solar panels, its the part thats wired into the grid. So it does make sense they would want some extra precautions with that. There is no way they could replace the solar panels made in China with non Chinese ones because the world doesnt make enough of them outside of China, plus non Chinese ones are way more expensive and no one could afford them in any substantial amounts. The solar industry would die.
>>536560634They didn't ban Chinese panels, they banned using EU funds to subsidise solar projects that use Chinese panels.So if you want to buy Chinese panels you can, you just won't get subsidies, so it's your business if you do so.
>>536560789> corrupt Chinese government that uses dumping policies to destroy your industriesIf they're able to do that, then they aren't corrupt, because they're actually trying to push their nation forward.
>>536559898>>536559925way you type gives me the vibe that you are a zionist
>>536560578Are solar panels on the roof worth it, on the long run?
>>536560853Yeah and the EU is trying to "push our nations forward" by subsidising solar projects only if the jobs are created here and the panels made by Euro companies.Why is their government always considered based when they do self-serving shit, but ours is not when it does the same thing? Chinkoid propaganda?
>>536560871As long as you install them at the same time as a new roof. If you have to get a new roof then you will have to pay for them to uninstall the panels and reinstall the panels afterwards.
>>536548698>what the FUCK are they doing?Protectionism, the Euros are faggots for regulating importers into irrelevancy in the EU and then being hypocritical cunts when others try anything. Like globally Feta cheese needs to renamed unless it comes from Greece (the EU's rules), but good luck competing on price if you want to export dairy products to the EU.
>>536560871They have gotten cheaper, now they're like a couple hundred euros each.It's batteries that are crazy expensive. Solar in itself is becoming more affordable.
>>536548886>Supporting local industryI'm sure all the shitskin kebab places will pay off eventually
>>536560789This, it's about time the retardation in the EU stops and they assess the reality : other countries will try everything they can to scam, dominate, >>536560871Not really if you have a "professional" installing them, 8k, 10k for 6 panels and apiece of shit electronics is 3 to 6 times the real cost. It is insanely not profitable if you put batteries. My objective isn't that, I want to have a little bit of independence, my system isn't connected to the grid.Also, install them on the ground, facing south-west if possible, with a system to put them at a higher angle during winter. They will not burn your house down.
>>536560966Globalisation is a Jewish scheme to get us all into a race to the bottom in terms of wages, or else corporations will complain they can get cheaper workforce elsewhere.
>>536560827China can customize their panels to wire whichever way the customer demands.Their manufactures could easily customize whatever form factor EU needs.>but then China will know how the EU grid is wired They know that already.
>>536561004>GlobalisationIt's not a matter of globalization, it's that you guys bitch and moan and force everyone else to put up with your inane shit and rules.
>>536560969Thanks.>>536561001Extremely remote area or just survivalist loner?I was just curious; I'll never install solar panels because they look gay.
>>536561095Access to our national markets is a privilege to be gained under our rules.You have whatever market conditions your reps negotiatedNobody should have some kind of inborn right to sell whatever they want here.
>>536548698>says country that imports everything from china
>>536561127>Extremely remote area or just survivalist loner?Countryside, bad grid that goes down at least two days a year. Not survivalist but just be able to live without mommy state if I lose my job, etc. and can't pay the bills.
>>536561001>install them on the ground, facing south-west if possibleDo you also have a system that turns the panels with the sun? Heard it's pretty easy to do, you just need to install them on some rotary frame
Only chinks are seething. This is obviously a great idea, especially because it's an emerging industry and there are already a bunch of European manufacturers.
>>536560919Beats me.OP bears Russian flag, for what it's worth. Chinks already won, thanks to Reagan & co.
>>536561196Fair point. Good luck with that, anon.
>NOOOOO HOW COME THE EU REFUSES TO FUND CHINK GARBAGE ANYMORE, BRICSHITSKINS ASSEMBLE!
>>536561203No, it's retarded, it eats a lot of energy and you can't put the number of panels you need on it it would be way too big. It is way cheaper to just put 4 panels facing East, 6-8 facing South, 4-6 facing West (you need energy in the evening and at night)Anyway, it will not cover 100% of your needs, if you have wind, put a 300-500 W win turbine at 4meters high, it's more efficient for replenishing the batteries because it makes energy almost constantly
>>536561291Merci, bonne continuation
>>536548698Here is a novel idea:How about not making inverters "smart" and requiring a phone app to convert DC to AC?You know....like we've done for over a century?Oh, no, of course not, how will they target ads if the inverters aren't hooked up to the internet?How stupid of me - clearly every device needs to upload as much personal data as possible to feed the algorithms....
>>536561095Vile kike
>>536558329Only a retard gives anything that important permanent access to the internet. Imverters do their job quite well without.>but anon but if it has access and is registered i can always check how much energy it generates That novelty gets old after a few months and benefits you nothing >but anon, this way my inverter can communicate with my smart home for optimal thermal planing Get fucked, everything is possible with a standalone server via intranet. Or use a potential free switch to indicate solar overproductionYou gain jack shit from it beeing able to call home
>>536560789Almost like the internet is full of wumao's pushing Chinese agenda.
>>536561445I know how you feel anon.For private installations it's ok to have unconnected devices but for the solar farms you see everywhere, unfortunately everything is connected for monitoring and alarming, for professional equipment, because there is nobody on site.
>>536559842Microinverters or partial bypasses are a thing for every modern panel
>>536549707Incredibly retarded post wholly untethered in reality
>>536548698>you can't have nuclear because we are afraid of it (baseless)>you can't russian gas because evil putler>you can't have chinese because security EU is a walled woman
>>536561645Who defines your reality?
>>536554952You should mind your own rump lada federation.
>>536559842It's half cells, chinks have been making it for 15 years.They are linked together dividing the panel in 2 or 4, if one of part is in the shadow it is "deactivated" by a shotky diode.It's on every solar panel since 10 years.
>>536561203>Do you also have a system that turns the panels with the sun? Heard it's pretty easy to do, you just need to install them on some rotary frameThose systems do exist but basically nobody use them.Solar panels are so dirt cheap now it's cheaper to use multiple panels facing in different directions than one panel that moves.The inverters are more expensive than the panels now.Changing the angle twice a year like that anon does is a different matter because you can do it manually (I assume he just has a mount with two positions) instead or requiring a motor and mechanisms that can fail and require maintenance.
>>536561730picrelIf you put solar panels in parallel, you need to replicate that between the panels so that if there's a problem on one or more "chain" it doesn't affect the good ones.
>>536561606Professional setups should have a centralized computer running their own software monitoring the entire solar farm not hundreds or even thousands of internet connected devices running whatever the manufacturer decided run and might stop supporting one day.
>>536548698>what the FUCK are they doing?Losing. What did you think they were doing, OP?
>>536562145>pls guise dont do that>you are so anti-competitive if you dont buy our subsidised solar panels
>>536561730>>536561816europoors wont be allowed to have this
>>536562218It's chink tech so yes we have that, although it is useless because PV use UV light and UV isn't reflected by the ground, only by water and snow
>>536562218we even have that, hybrid PV to heat water, maybe the least retarded thing before you consider that hot water needs to be > 65°C and PV will almost stop generating electricity at that temp...
>>536548698Europe doesn't even make panels iirc. All those "euopean" panels are from china and then repackaged here with some german sounding name.
>>536561484>Vile kike>Country is the biggest fucking hypocrite buying up our dairy and electrical sectors.
>>536562422They are talking about inverters, not PV
>>536562422And then they wonder why the Euro market is uncompetitive.
>>536561095>>536562500yea i think abraham lincoln wanted a union because he believed in the tartarian ideal
>>536562211Explain to me again why it's bad the Chinese government subsidizes my lifestyle?
>>536548698Buying from local businessesThat should be a prerequisite for all public works
>>536549707Local nationized production is nearly always good. I support strong national european countries. Also, fuck the sociast EU
>>536548886Germany sold their pioneering industry in solar technology to china. Germany used to be one of the best nations on that topic, but sold everything for the short term goal of getting rich. Germany deserves this for outsourcing and policies that destroyed the industry. Now our politicians destroy our social systems."refugee welcome", green politics and BlackRock were obviously very flawed and highly disruptive, but the people still voted for it.
>>536551882> criticizing one of very few right things the otherwise stupid socialist EU did> having hammer and sicklesEven if i want EU dissolved, i clap for this one decision.
>>536562601That's your business, but why should the EU also use taxpayer money to subsidise Chinese panels to undermine our industries?If you want to do it, do it at your personal expense.I'd rather see them subsidise local jobs so we pay each other to keep our jobs here.
>>536561541>Only a retard gives anything that important permanent access to the internet. Imverters do their job quite well without.I'm a network engineer, and let me tell you, the world is chock full of retards. Every home or company network I see has a bunch of Espressif MAC addresses on them. You'll commonly find these in "smart" devices with an ESP32 embedded computer for management. When I bother to track them down, they usually turn out to be solar inverters or heating systems, sometimes shelly devices controlling lights and shit. Absolutely nobody firewalls these, ever. They hook them up to the network because that's what the QIG booklet says and call it a day. >That novelty gets old after a few months and benefits you nothingNobody pulls the plug at that point, I guarantee it. Besides, there's usually no plug to pull because these are Internet of Shit devices hooked up to wifi, so you'd have to pick your way through the thing's shitty dot matrix menu to remove it from the network. Nobody does that.>Get fucked, everything is possible with a standalone server via intranet.Only if the inverter is built to allow that.>Or use a potential free switch to indicate solar overproductionOnly if the inverter is built to allow that. Besides, now the controller shorting that contact is the problem, since it gets notified about overproduction by the grid operator...through the internet.>You gain jack shit from it beeing able to call homeTrue. But these devices are not built with your benefit as the primary goal.
>>536562729Yeah also watch out because China is still buying industrial tools from Germany and they will copy those too eventually.Because your companies are so greedy, they'd rather sell their future for the sake of profits now.
>>536562218Trump tariff status?
In fact countries with elections should not buy anything feom countries with no elections. We see how this could go for China.
I'm Chinese and I think Europe should stop buying from China, China's long term goal is to destroy Europe
>>536562953Not my heckin egalitarian democratic constitutional colorblind meritocracy!
>>536562757The EU subsidizes EU companies switching to green energy.It's about climate change, not protectionism.If China wants to stack additional subsidies on top of that, making it even cheaper to switch to green energy, I really don't see the problem?
>>536549143i find fascinating how this fucking dumb dog psyop completely broke the russians to these levels of rent free. i think only tranny top that ?
>>536562634Yes but the EU fags think the market will regulate itself or whatever and open EU ass to the whole world and then take 10 years to correct the problem.
>>536563012I'm actually glad whenever my money goes to a chink instead of a jew
>>536563052It's about energy sovereignty you vile kraut. I know you fucking parasite country makes all its money importing chink garbage into the EU but still try a little harder next time.
>>536563012>China's long term goal is to destroy Europe....by giving us free money.
>>536548698>EU gets burned yet AGAIN by trusting self serving countries with their well being.kek.
>>536548698Such bans are fine if you have an alternative lined up first. But we never do.
>>536549780>sometimes i think about how if communism wasn't a thing, there would be like 400 million russians.There were more Russians under communism, retard. And more Eastern Europeans in general.What the communist revolution actually did was stop the pseudo-colonization of the Russian Empire by Western Europeans(see Volga Germans). The Romanovs were almost entirely German by blood.
>>536563069Maybe they have some Chink shekels to their pocket. A Greek politician took 100k euro donation from China to just push a pro Xi book
>>536563095How is generating my own electricity at home from my own solar panels not energy sovernty?>NOOO you must buy le french IoT always connected inverters with camera and microphone that upload all your personal data to le french server so we can sell it to Facebook and Google for le ad revenue now only five times more expensive than the dumb Chinese inverter that does nothing besides converting DC to AC.
>>536563264I don't mind if you wanna buy chinkz certified killswitch garbage. Just don't use MY taxpayer money you fucking kraut.
>>536563190I don't think so, they are just retarded and think everyone in the world is benevolent and kind and if they aren't if you are kind with them they'll be kind too.Pure ideological retardation.
>>536563123You summarized that perfectly.
>>536548698Sooner or later if the chinese solar panels are good quality and cheaper, they will be sold in Europe again. Look at all the other products: smartphones, electric cars, electronics in general... years ago it was the same argument and now they are sold everywhere. Do I think that Europe should have more industry? Yes off course, that is the logical thought in this issue but if in other place of the world they can make a product of good quality and cheaper than you then they sell more. That is how the economy works.
>>536563383Nothing that protectionism can't fix
>>536563383It is not about PV but inverters.And they can and I hope will ban it for security reasons, like they banned Huawei and ZTE for core network functions for mobile phone networks.But it will only be banned for businesses, as they are critical infrastructure operators (communications, energy, defense and I don't remember the other categories)
>>536548886I agree in theory that Europe ought to manufacture its own everything. The problem is that Europe can't make much of anything without first importing the inputs. In many cases those inputs don't exist in Europe(or only in small amounts that would be exhausted quickly).It's kind of like Cuba declaring it's going to stop importing altogether and make everything itself. With what resources?This doesn't only affect Europe. The United States is likewise trying to deal with China's near-monopoly on Rare-Earths.
>>536563264China registers data too and easily can give them to western goverments. China has uneuropean/unamerican values so i avoid their products (as far as i can, they are everywhere)
>>536563355Aka socialists
>>536563630America has the raw materials for Rare Earths, it's just de-industrialization decades earlier that shut down Rare Earth processing that makes things difficult. Now you have to get started again but strict environmental standards
>>536563737They just pretend dumb for their agendA
>>536563304>I don't mind if you wanna buy chinkz certified killswitch garbage.i don't think i'm gonna buy this narrative. has there even been evidence?this is probably just to distract from the fact that they never released unredacted Epstein files
>>536563754From what I understand, Rare-Earths aren't rare at all. But there are dozens of different types of Rare-Earth minerals, and some are basically worthless while others are highly valuable. A rare-earth deposit with mostly cheap shit isn't worth processing. The advantage China has is that its deposits have a high concentration of the good shit. Which makes Chinese processing naturally more profitable.Think of it like Venezuela vs Saudi Arabian oil. Venezuela oil is like tar that can't even be extracted without first thinning it with other oil. Then it has to be refined through a much more intensive process.. Whereas Middle-Eastern oil costs nothing to extract.So yes, America has rare-earths, but the shittiest kind that won't be profitable unless the price rises dramatically.
>>536563383That would be the case if their products weren't cheap because they are subsidised by the Chinese government.Also labour cost global arbitration will make us all poorer and at the mercy of corporations that will keep blackmailing us: if you don't accept always lower pay, we go elsewhere where it's cheaper.Until we're all poor and corpos profits go to the moon.
>>536564017>its deposits have a high concentration of the good shitNot even actually, they just don't have the environmental regulations to give a shit about the huge amounts of radioactive dust inefficient refining produces. In contrast mountain pass mine in the US got mothballed for radio active leaks into the Mojave, Ivanpah Dry Lake. To be frank there's no reason to give a shit about contamination there, fucking nothing lives there.
>>536564033Let's say a company wants to make solar panels in Europe but the salaries and other costs there are much higher than in other countries and they can't compete with those companies from abroad. There is also no ban to those products from other countries. What can you do to make them in Europe? You can't lower salaries because people won't accept that.
>>536564333big salaries lead to bigger consumer spending
>>536564333Well yeah that's the result of decades of Western workers having negotiated a very comfy set of rights and living standards that now are almost impossible to roll back.But then if you allow Chinese-subsidised products to destroy your jobs, that's not a solution either.There has to be something in between these two.I agree that competition is good, but not with subsidised products. Unless those are something really strategic like energy, chips, sometimes even food or fertilisers.If populations are shrinking, wages shouldn't have to get down to stay competitive. We'd have to work at the same or better level of productivity with more robots. So work smarter not harder.
>>536564378Then why all the big companies don't want to raise salaries and they always have to be forced by unions and laws to do it?
>>536564333>>536564378>The median annual gross salary in Spain is approximately €23,000>The median gross monthly income in Greece is approximately €1,066, which equates to a median annual salary of roughly €12,800 to €15,000I mean you can say you have noncompetitive high wages...
>>536549707Shut the fuck up, you nigger loving kraut. You are saying this as if we all decided not to buy chinese, but that isnt the case, you banned it. You know eu products are shit in both quality and price.
>>536548698green energy is a memeeuropean energy deficit is caused by migrants, without all those niggers europe should not have problemsat this point european peasants can just collect firewood in royal forests, it will be enough
Btw from next month there are extra customs fees for everything bought from china, like temu or Aliexpress. EU was extra salty that nobody was buying from them. And i hope chinks will work around it somehow, i am not buying shit from european jewish taxed to hell stores.
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>>536548886That's unbelievable, considering that Germany demolished(not deactivated) many of its nuclear power plants, therefore destroying any hope of energy independence for the foreseeable future.
Russian OP belongs to a WW2 trench.
>>536564549>I agree that competition is good, but not with subsidised products.A lot of european products are also subsidized. In Spain a lot of agriculture is subsidized. Many european car companies were also created by the State. Also with many other big companies. In the USA I have also read that farms get a lot of money from the government. I know that in China it must be much more because as far as I know the government literally controls the big companies. Europe should have more industry just because we can't depend on other countries for everything, it's just common sense that a country needs a good industry. But as things work it's difficult to compete with a company that makes good and cheaper products than you. Either you ban those products from abroad or change laws so the companies can lower their costs to compete with products from abroad.
>>536548886>eu>supporting local industryHave you ever considered that maybe your local companies are emigrating to the States and other countries BECAUSE of the EU's own hostile policies make it near impossible to actually run a company these days? The EU ain't supporting shit other than being the United States of Europe, and boy are those states USEd up.
>>536564561Because big internationalist capitalists are socialists too and want humans to become poor af so they can usher socialism (with them as the opressive elites). Profit is only half of their plan.
>>536565612"There is no point being rich if everyone else isnt poor", in one of their books
>>536563135They're sabotaging EU. The green projects with chinese parts are now pushed many months further down the line.All while the fuel and energy crisis is going on.
>>536548886Merkel killed the local industry and it still hasn't recovered from it
>>536567508Oh no our Chinese friends will surely be upset over those projects!Mind your own shithole Ivan, stop feigning concern over Europe.
>>536548698>we want you to install green energy including solar so we're shutting down your nuclear power stations with no hope of reactivating them >WAIT WHY ARE YOU GIVING MONEY TO CHINA, WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT THE EU DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH INDUSTRIAL CAPACITY TO PRODUCE SOLAR PANELS CHEAPLY AND IN VOLUME, PAY THE 600% MARKUP YOU FUCKING CATTLEbased eu looking after the citizen's of its member countries as per usual
>>536548886>chinks to destroy any of the manufactoring we still have leftDid the chinks shut down your nuclear power plants too?
>>536567843yes they meddled in Fukushima which indirectly caused the nuclear panic in Europe
>>536549707>WE WILL MAKE OUR OWNyeah, in china, kek, and then you'll put a sticker on saying ASSEMBLED IN THE EU for putting them in a box (which you also had made in china) and charge 8 times what they actually cost
>noooo we cannot buy cheap gas from Russia>noooo we cannot buy solar panels from China eitherAnd these retards think that they will industrialize and fight Russia? With what power, pray tell? Lmao
>>536556379>climate change is a crisis,unless there's a data centre to be built, or it threatens the EU's profits, then it's totally kosher.
>>536548698>what the FUCK are they doing?They want you to buy piece of shit german ABB inverter for 7-8x the price.
>>536568076at least it's not backdoored by an adversary that is actively subverting and undermining you
>>536568028We have our own gas, mutt.And we buy oil from AzerbaidjanIt would make sense for EU to subsidise Euro-made solar gear or our government to give tax breaks to encourage energy autonomy because the cost of energy is the biggest inflation driver
>>536568203>we buy oil from Azerbaidjangreat idea
>>536568203>the cost of energy is the biggest inflation drivershould have thought about that before going to war with russia.
>>536548698You know Germany is whoring to Chinks really hard if the fucking Brussels, the world capital of sellouts and rampant bribery, says "stop doing this"
>>536548698>got what I voted for award.
>>536568186>exchange chink backdoored equipment for mossad backdoored equipmentI feel safer already
>>536568457Why would you stay dependent on your main security threat and spread your butt and say: pls turn me into your bitchInstead of working to become more independent yourself
>>536568629t. brags about being dependent on Turdgay
>>536568203Industry without energy independence. FAFO
>>536568629>main security threatI didn't realize it was Russia who destabilized the middle east and caused the refugee crisis.
>>536568641Only for importing oil which is a commodity traded around the whole world. Of course those ships or pipes will have to cross some area. Whether it's the Atlantic, the Black Sea or Turkey, it matters less. We don't have much beef with Turkey so why not.It's definitely preferable to mongol rape babies>>536568687Picrel. They've been invading our regions since they existed. They know nothing but to take their neighbours' land and call it liberation for invented reasons.
>>536568790Zigeuner
>>536561162ukraine troll farms spamming here today i see
>>536568790image for gullible and uneducated retards
>>536568869>t.
>>536568790anyone that knnows basic history knows how retarded this image is
>>536568687You mean how Russia pushes third world migration to Europe through Belarus to Poland or across the border in Finland? You mean when Russia supported his pet dictator Ass-sad in Syria for years, and went to Afghanistan to kill a bunch of Soviet men in a failed decade-long war? Nahhh Russians are the good guys I swear
>>536568203Aberbaijan? Weren't those cunts at war with Albania?Fuck'em
>>536548698>what the FUCK are they doing?
>>536570026can we just nuke them for climate crimes?
>solar panel and wind turbine threads always reach 200-300+ repliesEvery timeCan't believe people still debate this shit and all the scams behind it.
>>536570420Self sufficiency is good, especially when it also respects the environment.
>>536564017they are worthless to mine unless you get low cost labor and even with chinese market domination they make less than 100 million a month from it and even the 2026 spike is less than 400, australia as an example makes more than 5 billion a month from iron. until people figure out how to extract it efficiently it will just be bugman labor at 50 cents an hour.
Always supporting CPC and the Chinese.Buying products from Aliexpress if available, buying Chinese brands only if possible.Buying Chinese games
>>536570869I'm always buying chink even if that means extra expense. I'm happy that my money goes towards building better society instead of euro neo-capitalists/globohomo aka corporate socialism.
>>536548886They killed the local solar panel industry, relied on chink hardware to achieve their own meme goals and now ban chink hardware. It's vagina policies that make no sense
>>536556341>Time to unironically burn coal kekYou anons have ruined that phrase for me forever
>>536569646Over the phone? How could they be at war when they have no border
>>536548698>EU can't make a power converterthat's really sadanyways..
>>536570802Not only that but mining in general is very destructive for the environment, so of course it became mostly viable in 3rd world countries, with low regulation.There's a reason why Chinese cities always have that yellow air in photos
EU cucks have been the biggest joke post WW2 era.They have no energy, no raw resources, bad infrstructure, no good human capital but act like they could pick a fight with anyone or even fight several at the same time.CPC are cucks if they dont use this oppurtunity to teach the EU crooks a lesson.
>>536548698They had a meeting discussing how to curve ball the economy this time
>>536570713Wind turbines and solar fields don't respect the environment. The fact that this still isn't common knowledge goes to show how retarded and negrified people are.
>>536562281They usually hace a coating to block uv light as it generates to much heat. Only a fraction of uv is turned into electricity. Where did you even get that idea tgat they use uv?
>>536559143What if it's the case of finding both Hohols and Rusniggers insufferable thoughever?
>>536560789>They're doing exactly what China is doing: putting subsidies where their state policy has an interest.>After all, all those Chinese solar panels are cheaper because the CCP subsidises them on purpose to put other countries' industries on their knees and once China secures the market, they can work towards making it profitable too.>So it's a taste of their own medicine.>Why do brainlets whine about not being able to buy "cheap chinkshit" because of their 'corrupt governments' but refuse to see that it's the corrupt Chinese government that uses dumping policies to destroy your industries?If I were in charge of a nation - I would buy as many subsidized Chinese solar panels as I possibly could - While still building out my domestic production capacity - Then watch China's sneaky rug pull not work on meI guess I'm just built different
>>536548886>Supporting local industryno such thing left.
>>536548886>Supporting local industry instead of allowing chinks to destroy any of the manufactoring we still have leftProblem with the West is we are so corrupt that 200 billion dollars can get lost in oblivion trying to build one single rail line between Los Angeles and San FranciscoCalifornia’s high-speed rail now ‘worst project in history’ — as insiders reveal unbelievable new cost https://nypost.com/2026/04/28/us-news/california-high-speed-rail-falls-behind-as-costs-soar-to-231-billion/>Calls are growing for California’s high-speed rail to be abandoned completely after revelations the estimated cost of completing Gavin Newsom’s fantasy train project had ballooned to a staggering $231 billion>The project — first approved by voters in 2008 — was originally expected to cost about $33 billion and be completed by 2020. The High-Speed Rail Authority now estimates the initial Central Valley segment will cost roughly $34.8 billion, while the broader “Phase 1” system will cost $126 billion — although that number is far from set in stone>Without changes that include revised station locations, scaled back design and using a single track that already has other rail lines operating, it would top $231 billionIf the West wasn't so corrupt I would say we go balls-to-the-wall on solarEspecially places like the American south west and parts of the Australian outbackVertically oriented bi-facial panels can also be placed high enough to farm partial shade crops underneath (you just can't do it with Chinese PV because they will poison your plants)
>>536552062>German industry require energy though.>It's like chopping off your hand to save your nails.>LMAO Kraut is mad because he knows he is fucked.HOLY MOLY AT YOUR PICREL ANONGermany isn't currently having a shift in it's population from net-producers to net-takers is it? That could get spicySorry my picrel is Denmark not Germany but you get the idea
>>536550627>Toxic materials that are not regulated in China. Unsafe power storage resulting in fires and explosions. Low quality conductors which cause damage to the power grid.None of these have been observed in any of the Chinese solar cells or systems sold to Europe.
>energy that isn't "le green" is bad!>but we will decomission our nuclear energy because we are so environmentally conscious :)>oh no, we have not enough energy now, let's import russian gas :(Yurocucks are just pathetic. If you had any principles you would just die in the winter like a proper activist would to avoid burning extra fossil fuels. Why is DEVILA Merkel not arrested, lynched and tied to a post where crows (or whatever is the yuro bird that eats the dead bodies) eat her alive? >b-butt DEVILA Merkel is just the german whore, we are smarter than them and we didn't got rid of ou-Jewmony is the face of the EU, sit down.
>>536556217>Actually they should be happy you handicap yourself with unaffordable energyHOLY MOLY ANON... de-industrialization just in time for changing demographics to do serious damage to the productivity of Germany as a nation. Someone sure must have a bone to pick with the German people anon. I wonder who it is?
It's really funny watching these retards make decisions.>We don't want any Chink shit here! They take our business.>Let's ban it!>Ok, now where are we going to get alternatives?>What do you mean we have no local industries?! >Fine, then start few silica mines to cover the needs.>What do you mean it's too fucking expensive due to the regulations and requires at least 10 years of environmental permitting?!These pencil pushing dumbasses haven't realized that they need to have the industry at least planned out, before banning their source for the fucking goods.This is what happens when you let women make decisions.Their only hope is getting this stuff from Brazil, but they have a massive growing demand for local solar and there's only one company even planning to build a solar glass plant in the first place, so that's probably a no go.In reality EU will likely just have to buy the chinkshit from a third party while paying more for it and pretending they're now independent from China.
>>536556544Can some anon help me understand picrelWhen calculating solar do they make the assumption that the sun is shining at full strength with no clouds 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year?
>>536556746>Solar panels will still spawn all across EuropeAnon I wish this could happen but you don't have the sun for it
>>536557137>China's dumping will have to be curbed sooner or later, otherwise you're fucked long termGotta learn to take advantage of an attempted dumping. BUY THOSE SOLAR PANELS AND LET CHINA EAT A TRILLION DOLLARS IN SUBSIDIES
>>536556544>generation capacity>>536557448>Not the right metric. Find the actual power output. Solar will still be high, but solar is always way under generation capacity because it can't generate on demand, only when the sun shinesAnon I think you are saying a better metric that better reflects reality is the pic on top of my picrel right?
>>536557901>Why not simply buy inverters from Japan?>Honda builds decent onesI had enphase do my solar (like picrel but mine is like 1/3 the size)They used korean or japanese (i dont remember) panels with micro-invertersThey said the panels will be working at 90% efficiency after 20 yearsHow did I do?
>>536558289>uhm, im so confused.>nvm, i dont want to understand, ill just exclude myself from society and patiently await my time for an event where i can freely murder all these faggotsPlease don't murder anyone anon but hard times are on their way so get ready. Western governments made too many promises that can't be kept - and then they collectively imported over 100 million people who take far more FROM SOCIETY than they contribute TO SOCIETY. Get out of the cities anon
>>536559525>No one cares about the butthurt belt. Go along with it or get conquered. AgainstGermany anon. I love Germany I really do but I'm not sure you can reasonably call them the butthurt belt for too much longer. See picrel. Anyone have the pic where Poland median income crosses the UK in the 2030's?
>>536559686>Modern day Poland can kick modern day Germany's assPoland gets stronger relative to Germany with each passing year that picrel happens
>>536559842>Post things europoors aren't allowed to have (It's even funnier cause their power costs 10x more than americans does)I will not post anything to upset my European brothers (red rectangle in picrel). They are family. And I wish them God speed and good luck in the coming hard times
Inverters are really hard to make, okay? ^^;; Such mythical technology is better be left to the Chinese. They'll add a really cool & useful web administration interface to it which you can access with your smartphone from anywhere in the world :D
>>536559929>No, be more intelligent and improve your reading comprehension. Installed renewable capacity vastly overstates the actual electricity generation of renewables. You need to use the actual electricity generation to get a proper sense of use. Solar/renewable installed capacity is not meaningful because in actual use it generates around 1/3rd that amount of electricityThis anon gets it...Check out my new bicycle!How far can it go you ask?Well it can transport me 600 miles per day!>Assuming I pedal at 25 miles per hour for 24 hours per day
>>536548886what local industry lmao?
>>536561203>Do you also have a system that turns the panels with the sun? Heard it's pretty easy to do, you just need to install them on some rotary frameI've heard that in the year 2026 panels are so cheap that if you have the space for it - a ground mount that can have it's tilt manually adjusted every few weeks is the most efficient solution (you just spend extra money on extra panels that you would have otherwise spent on the more expensive mounting solution). I'm not sure I would trust something with moving parts to keep moving properly over the decades
>>536561310>It is way cheaper to just put 4 panels facing East, 6-8 facing South, 4-6 facing West (you need energy in the evening and at night)Good but I can do slightly better...A mix of traditional south-facing panels combined with bifacial panels oriented vertically will get:>the rising sun>the noon sun>the setting sunYou just need batteries to get you through the nightIt is what I would do if I didn't already have my single-sided ground-mounted array already going
>>536574642How is everyone a negative net contributor, like is their government operating purely on debt or what does that mean
>>536561541>Only a retard gives anything that important permanent access to the internet. Imverters do their job quite well without.>but anon but if it has access and is registered i can always check how much energy it generates >That novelty gets old after a few months and benefits you nothing>but anon, this way my inverter can communicate with my smart home for optimal thermal planing >Get fucked, everything is possible with a standalone server via intranet. Or use a potential free switch to indicate solar overproduction>You gain jack shit from it beeing able to call homeI unplugged the cell antenna in my system. You know in some sort of cyber attack they will cripple (at best) everyone's home solarAnd at worst the attack will set the batteries on fire
>>536562729>Germany sold their pioneering industry in solar technology to china. Germany used to be one of the best nations on that topic, but sold everything for the short term goal of getting rich. Germany deserves this for outsourcing and policies that destroyed the industry. Now our politicians destroy our social systems.>"refugee welcome", green politics and BlackRock were obviously very flawed and highly disruptive, but the people still voted for it.The HELL ON EARTH that is coming for Germany in the 21st century will make their cities getting leveled in the 20th century look like a picnicA true tragedy. I have been to Germany. They are probably the most kind and decent human beings on the planet. And I'm pretty sure they didn't even really particularly like me because I'm American
>>536564857>That's unbelievable, considering that Germany demolished(not deactivated) many of its nuclear power plants, therefore destroying any hope of energy independence for the foreseeable futureIt's like seeing a good two week forecast and throwing your umbrella awayIt's like getting halfway to where you are going on the highway and taking your seat belt offIt's like getting to cruising altitude and thinking "see we didn't crash" and throwing your parachute out the window of the airplaneTotal insanity
>>536565693>"There is no point being rich if everyone else isnt poor", in one of their booksI once asked an executive making seven figures a year if he wanted a world where everyone is rich enough to have an in-ground swimming pool like him and he looked me dead in the eye and said no>"because I want to have something that other people don't have"
>>536570026>what the FUCK are they doing?Winning anon. They are winning
>>536575292I doubt the sun hours matter.The Hydropower is the constant factor in this chart.16% in 2020 became 12% in 2025.That means China's energy output increased 33% in 5 years.The majority of this increase is in Solar panels.
>>536571646>EU cucks have been the biggest joke post WW2 era>They have no energy, no raw resources, bad infrstructure, no good human capital but act like they could pick a fight with anyone or even fight several at the same timeThey are coasting on pure inertiaAnd the USA isn't that far behindIgnore India in picrel (they are fake degrees)
>>536548886>manufactoringYou're obviously an expert on the subject, thanks for your valuable opinion.
>>536551066>America makes us act like retards!1Every single time.
>>536548886If you cant compete, artificially closing the winners will not make you competitive either, there is no reason for the companies to stop being mediocre if the state protects them
>>536576974>How is everyone a negative net contributor, like is their government operating purely on debt or what does that meanAnon... It is an average... Let me explain...You add up every Muslim in a country and you subtract what they (as a group) TAKE from what they (as a group) CONTRIBUTE>And you end up with a HUGE NEGATIVE NUMBERRight now the Muslims are net-takers from the non-Muslims>This only works while the ratio of non-Muslims to Muslims is high>In other words...>For every Muslim - You need a few Infidels for him to leech off of - Without these infidels the math does not workEuropean Nations will inevitably a reach a tipping point where it all falls apart if they keep letting Muslims immigrate to European nations (which they are currently STILL doing in most of Europe)>We will in the coming decades see this tipping point reached>And it will be spectacular (in a bad way)(ignore the part about Indians in picrel and replace "Hispanics in the USA" or "Blacks in the USA" with "Muslims in the EU")
>>536577915>comparing degrees in absolute numbersBoth China and Germany have the same % of STEM graduates: around 0.25%.It's just that chinkoids having a termite colony population makes it look like it's gigantic. Same for India.And if you read any recent news, the numbers are going down steadily, because they have high youth unemployment. More are joining vocational training because there are no jobs for graduates.
>>536578514Yeah I got it. I didn't immediately understand what did the X axis represent in terms of years. I see that it's a sort of lifetime curve.
>>536578821>I see that it's a sort of lifetime curveAnd reality is a lot worse than the official data statesThe truth is closer to... each brown person contributing a net-negative million+ dollars because...>They don't count an accident where someone gets paralyzed for life and the brown person flees the scene>They don't count the cost of violent crime (how do you attach a fiscal amount to rape or murder?)>They don't count tens of millions of brown people going to the emergency room every time they have a headache and simply not paying the bill>They don't count the increased retail theft that makes prices go up for the honest customers>They don't count the supply of scarce resources (like water) being increasingly stressedTLDRImport 70 million brown peopleYou now have a 70 trillion dollar hole in your budget
>>536549838>This is just a state sponsored protectionist racket and the entire EU governance structure can suck my dick.bet you can trace political contributions from lobbyists representing the protected business, to the politicians that shill for this to go through. If you have enough money, you can get your own law or regulation onto the books that benefits you or your sector.
>>536580303>bet you can trace political contributions from lobbyists representing the protected business, to the politicians that shill for this to go through. If you have enough money, you can get your own law or regulation onto the books that benefits you or your sector.Kind of like that 200+ billion dollar high speed rail (that will never get completed) in CaliforniaHigh Speed Railmore like>HIGH SNEED FAILright guys???????????????????????
>>536550627>>What possible security risks could exist in residential solar panels?>Toxic materials that are not regulated in China. Unsafe power storage resulting in fires and explosions. Low quality conductors which cause damage to the power grid.>If people wanted to sit on an incendiary device they'd go drive a Humvee around Afghanistan.sounds like a made up issue to me. where are all the explosions, carnage, death, smoking craters. What, you can pull maybe *one* incident out of your ass.
>>536555306It's just regular market forces, as in the incumbent monopolist uses its leverage to negate all of its potential losses. Fusion won't be free nor cheap if it comes btw.
>>536551371>> solar panels>> "security risk"so the solar panels are just sitting there, when suddenly they just explode like bombs in an action movie. I'm calling bullshit. And dangerous substances? Nigger please. You can't manufacture electronics components without all the rare minerals. What they are doing is calling China's product SHIT. But then they drop their drawers and take their own dump? Magically that's poopy, not SHIT. Politicians and governments operate on two main laws, among others :>Never let a good crisis go to waste. You can figure out a "solution" that does something for you that you couldn't otherwise get accomplished.>What if you don't *have* a crisis to *manage*? Easy, you just invent one.
>>536581388>solar panels>"security risk">so the solar panels are just sitting there, when suddenly they just explode like bombs in an action movie. I'm calling bullshit. And dangerous substances? Nigger please. You can't manufacture electronics components without all the rare minerals. What they are doing is calling China's product SHIT. But then they drop their drawers and take their own dump? Magically that's poopy, not SHIT. Politicians and governments operate on two main laws, among others :>Never let a good crisis go to waste. You can figure out a "solution" that does something for you that you couldn't otherwise get accomplished.>What if you don't *have* a crisis to *manage*? Easy, you just invent one.The security risk is that your nation depends on the panels and then someone finds a way to remotely disable them. Billions of solar panels across a nation simultaneously failing is not good
>>536559034>>536559333I believe the overreliance on russian gas imports was precisely to try to foster closer GER-RUS ties and this was national security policy for Germany in Merkel days, the real question is, how realistic would this be? It's a big leap of faith to hope something like that just works out. I assume it would require extreme glowfuckery inside Russia to even get to a point where it could be feasible. Especially given the adversarial position of the US to this union.
>>536555912>no its a security risk just like chinese smartphones: the chinese could put backdoors in the phones, so the government ban them. but in reality the jews put backdoors in all their smartphones. they banned chinese phones because they lack the jewish controlled backdoors, thats what that means.Okay, with a smartphone I can see your point. But... a power inverter? I'm just not seeeing the big security risk here, especially when the smart phone, internet, computer is the real security threat. What you claimed sounds like a plot of a comic book. Perhaps you could explain it better, so I grasp this giant security nightmare. And by the way? I'm an electronics guy. I can *build* my own 12v---120V inverter out of components myself. So be aware you can't just make up spooky sounding bullshit because electronics aren't mysterious to me. Yet here's your chance to explain the huge looming threat posed by... (ooh!) power inverters. The floor is yours.
>>536548698Why would the Chinese put backdoors in their own solar panels and risk their economy when they can just exploit vulnerabilities in western inverters running insecure jeet software?
>>536581388>>536581976IT IS ABOUT INVERTERS YOUR RETARDSthat shit is all connected now
>>536582475To have a reliable way to to take down electrical grid in countries or just blackmail them. What the fuck do you think happened in Spain last year ? Is it already memory holed ?
>>536548886>supporting local industryhmm maybe this german anon isn't a scat sodomite son of a whore>look closely>its kike repacking chink shit as german in a warehouse filled with jeets somewhere in the EUKILL YOURSELF NOWTHIS IS AN EMERGENCYDO IT NOW KILL YOURSELF HURRY UP
>>536582578>IT IS ABOUT INVERTERS YOUR RETARDS>that shit is all connected nowSorry I was not precise you are correct the panel itself is a just a stupid panel - But still - The less you connect to the IoT the better>ESPECIALLY IN THE CLAUDE-MYTHOS-HACKS-EVERYTHING world we live in
>>536556379>climate change is a crisis, which is why china is obsessed with renewable energy and sustainable economicsyou younger people are way more mesmerized by these buzzwords than older people are. When I was very young, the big scare was the coming next ice age. "Look at these 40 year winter charts! winter is a half a degree colder on average! We need to be prepared to survive the next ice age!"so I grew up knowing that ice ages come and go like clockwork, another one *will* come one day. Then winters got milder. Oh my god, global warming! Since I grew up with the hysteria of the ice age coming, I never did put much stock in this. But I will wait and see. Well? I waited. And waited, and waited, and waited. Hell, I remember Al Gore's silly movie "inconvenient truth" and they showed how if we didn't do EVERYTHING the lefty's said immediately and for all time? They showed maps of all the countries half underwater, rising sea levels, blah blah. This was *science*, it was understood, and THIS was going to happen by the year... I think it was 2015?>hey, its 2026 and NONE of the scary stuff happened. They even had to drop the term global warming and replace it with "global climate change". And people are retarded, because its not like Earth has a fucking thermostat.>the weather? It changes!yeah, no shit.>I remember when I heard about the giant floatingn mass of plastic and garbage in the ocean. It was said to be "big enough t o see from outer space" and also "as big as country X". So? Curious, I got on satellite photos, and... that motherfucking continent of plastic? Is no where to be found.>buzzwords...climate changecrisisrenewable energysustainable economics
