>At its peak Japan was able to get to 85% of America's GDP before petering out>China could only make it to 65%Who will the next challenger be?
>>536581514No one. The American GDP grew by 15 billion in 5 years because of AI, it’s wild.
>>536581514EU?
>>536581514>>536581515Yuan was again deflated by chinese gov. In real chinese economy grew more in real termsChina is getting into high tech manufacturing and there is nothing anyone can do to change it. America even doesnt smelt its copper ore. Its africa tier economics lol. Trump wants to change it
>>536581517China is building a high tech humanoid robot assembly. So we will make humanoid robots first in europe. They already made first CNC and injection molding machines here. America brings nothing but coding jobs (my cunt is one of rare ones that have microsoft development centers)
>>536581514India
That's the bullshit economy. The only one that counts is the productive economy that actually makes stuff and China's is three times the size of the US.
>>536581516This but we're too gay
>>536581516HAHAHAHAHAOk, serious answers please
>>536581517it is probably time for China to make that move. They became an industrial powerhouse because they had a large and young population willing to work for peanuts with very few benefits and safety regulations.But it's not the 80s anymore, the Chinese are a lot older, and expect better wages and benefits. They have to start transitioning from cheap workshop to specialized value added industries.The question is if the torch of "cheap shit manufacturer" is going to be picked up by some other cunt, or globalism starts reversing and we're going to go back to a pre WW2 state where all countries had some industries
>>536581523>The question is if the torch of "cheap shit manufacturer" is going to be picked up by some other cunt,they tried to do it with india since the mid 2010s, but corruption in india is too strong for this to be possible
>>536581514texas
>>536581524yeah, I was going to use India as an example of the only other country with a large and destitute population that would be a good candidate for industrial exploitation, but then I remembered the past 10 years of tech companies having to reject half the shit they produced during quality control lolsouth east asia, specifically Vietnam is something I've been hearing for some time now
>>536581523It probably won't be one country, but a few per economic center of gravity. For the NA it's Mexico, for the EU - north africa, for east Asia - Vietnam and Indonesia
>>536581524India also has Vogon-tier bureaucracy so doing business there is a pain in the ass regardless.
>>536581527it may sound silly telling this to a Ukrainian, but the past few decades really have been unusually peaceful by historical standardsif we go back to the old school spheres of influence, geopolitics is going to get a bit wonky again
>>53658151515 billion for the US over 5 years is literally nothing though? Deadset 15 billion is like the entire budget of NASA lol
I remember the shitposting about China catching up but then after their collapse suddenly everyone got quiet and did mental gymnastics, saying GDP is a meme etc. The America hate is honestly pathetic
>>536581529>if we go back to the old school spheres of influenceit's inevitable anyway, it was gonna happen even before that iran thing
>>536581514It's going to be the EU or no one.
>>536581514Nigerian BVLLS
>>536581514You forgot to say all the GDP here is from AI ponzi schemes and once that shit bursts we will go back to 2020 levels
>>536581516dead continent
>>536581530Meant 15 trillion, sorry
You will learn to respect America's authorateh in your country again.
>>536581516Most definitely. It makes everyone seethe for a reason > China is furious over the European Union's proposed Industrial Accelerator Act (IAA), which aims to revive the bloc's manufacturing sector by prioritizing locally produced goods. Beijing has threatened countermeasures, describing the "Made in Europe" initiative as protectionist and discriminatoryhttps://www.france24.com/en/europe/20260427-china-warns-eu-made-in-europe-plan-countermeasuresRemember why they all want us divided
>>536581524It’s going to be Vietnam, I feel like the India push is due to Indians in these companies and the problems popping up are putting a stop to that
>>536581524You need a brutal and homogenous dictatorship to do this successfully. India has 5000 ethnic groups and 300 castes, as well as a chaotic democracy, never going to happen there.
>>536581514beside stock exchange bubble, print dollars, get an inflation, adjust salary up, get increased gpd. and, voila, "we are winning"...another option - start war with iran, get oil prices up, receive requests from other countries to buy dollar, print more dollars.
>>536581539EU needs to bring shit back, I was reading an article about Chinese EV’s and people bring up the government subsidising it but the article went into how due to the number of factories and local production there that the costs of building an EV are 30% lower than abroad and that’s before subsidies kick inUnless the EU gets those factories built there’s no way it can compete with a place that has a 30% discount priced in
>>536581543>no way it can compete with a place that has a 30% discount priced inNobody can. China has a built-in advantage from population size, government system, and 5 decades of Western investment.
>>536581540It already is. Vietnam-US trade has insane $174B trade deficit. Compare that to $230B in US-China trade.
>>536581540SEA as a whole has been working on a schengen style arrangement for their borders since 2024. Perhaps not Vietnam alone, SEA might become its own bloc.
>>536581541So Indian Mao?
>>536581543EU needs cheap energy to do shit, otherwise it's over before it even begins
>>536581514Pax Americana has ended. In 20 years, the EU would probably match the US GDP, not because their economy grew, but because the US economy shrunk. Most of the US GDP is tied to nebulous tech products, things that can be stolen and replicated in China. The writing is on the wall. The tipping point is when the world abandons the USD as their reserve currency.>impossibleAt various points in history, Portugal/Spain/Dutch/UK were the richest nations on Earth. Eventually they crumbled. So will the US.
Honestly at this point I think American economic growth for the past year or so is a ponzi scheme where "AI" players like Microsoft/Nvidia/Anthropic/OpenAI are just "investing" into each other and cooking up books. Probably similar thing as chinks are doing.
>muh gdp
>GDP denominated in dollars which the US prints at willLet's denominate it in good industrial output instead. Then what?You think the US military contractors billing the government 4000USD for 1 bolt is a hallmark of good governance? Bunch of retarded babies talking amongst themselves.
>>536581552>You think the US military contractors billing the government 4000USD for 1 bolt is a hallmark of good governance?Well, yeah that's called being the leading top power. If some other power occupied the same postion we'd be basing everything off their metrics.
You know. In the future, kids will look back and say can you believe people unironically believed in this thing called GDP? How could they be so retarded?
>>536581553Top power who has a lesser military output than a sanctioned country with 30% it's population. Is it a mark of a top power that your missiles cost 500x that of Chinese ones? Your GDP would certainly be bigger due to government being inefficient like that.
>>536581548>EU needs cheap energy to do shitThat would just circle around to being dependant on a foreign state's energy supply, in this case being Morrocco, Niger and Nigeria. Hypothetically if one state in the EU had a stranglehold on energy output and policy that too could start giving them disproportionate sway too.
>>536581554GDP is still useful, you just can't hinge onnot as the sole metric to gage a state's economy.
>>536581515AI is a nothingburger, just like the internet and computers
>>536581556Just build French mini nuke plants all over the EU.
>>536581557Production for its own sake leads to a glut, overproduction and deflation work hand in hand. Even going back to Adam Smith dumping excess production into foreign countries was anti-thetical to liberalism, that's why it's always a third world country that ends up on the ascendant because developed liberal countries aren't allowed to do it by design. There's no real trade competition, it's finance trying to throttle captive markets from emerging. In the past 50 years finance has been gradually replacing bureaucracy, trade (for anything outside of energy) has become little more than subsidies. If an economic model relies solely on exports then their ability to thrive is capped at the market's interest in their overproduction. It's really not crazy to say that production will be less valued as an ends in the future, maybe everything runs off credit who knows, but something like GDP won't survive mass privatization of resources.
>>536581560>It's really not crazy to say that production will be less valued as an ends in the future, maybe everything runs off credit who knowsIt's already the case all around the globe, everything runs on consumer/state debt
>>536581548China doesn’t have cheap energy. The united states does.
>>536581559The EU isn't that good at delivering projects on budget and/or on time realtive to their level of development and supply lines.
>>536581562>China doesn’t have cheap energyAre you serious?
>>536581564It’s the worlds largest energy importer m8. They rely on the same global markets we do
>>536581564The keyword is cheap, China would have to sacrifice an immense amount of growth to start producing their own cheap energy. They would have to restructure their economy around something other than trade, it's more of a systemic issue than a practical one.
>>536581565>>536581566Only turdies buy coal tho and majority of Chinese energy is coal
>Two economists were taking a hike through the woods, when they come across a fresh, stinky turd>"If you eat that pile of shit" says the first economist, "I'll pay you €100">the second economist seizes the chance for easy money and mashes the turd into his mouth immediately, quickly washing it down with some water, and gets his €100>they continue their hike as before, and come across another fresh turd, just as stinky as the first>"If you eat that pile of shit" says the second economist, "I'll pay you €100">the first economist, keen to get his money back, dives at the turd mouth first and chomps it up in one bite, licking his lips to get any he missed>a few minutes pass, and the first economist starts thinking>"you know, I can't help but feel we both just ate literal shit for no reason at all, we have absolutely nothing to show for it except our mouths taste like faeces>"not true" says the second economist, "we just increased the GDP by €200!"
>>536581568>tf
jannies tongue my anus
>>536581514>here is an Amerimutt fake chart that proved wrong 3 years ago>therefore China is collapsing>I posted this slide thread 100 times already>discuss
GDP converted to dollars obscures the truth.In the past 50 years, the worst period for the Japanese economy was 2000-2005, yet at that time, Japan's GDP, converted to dollars, was the second largest in the world.And Japan is much more livable now.
Bumping so more people could know about serbian humanoid robot factory>>536581565Check their manufacturing energy prices bro
>>536582909>obscures the truthThe only truth is that the Amerimutt chart is fake and from a random Amerimutt blog that some MIGA trannies samefagging here on Euro VPNs dug out.Chinas GDP never dropped even in USD terms. Chinas GDP has as of now already surpassed 20 trillion USD. The mutt charts decline never happend. Its just dated old cope and a repost thread.
>>536581565>MUTTIDF hasbaraChina is literally a regional energy exporter, China supplies electricity to neighboring countries like Mongolia, Vietnam, Myanmar, Laos and Korea from its infrastructure even when in imports the coal, gas and oil from or trough some of these countries.Thats all counted into Amerimutt headlines of "Chinese energy imports". Thats what Jewberg Post never mentions when they set these ideas into your Amerimutt heads.
