90% of first worlders can totally afford to have children, but they just don't prioritize it.>access to top level services and goods>starvation is unheard of>extremely high quality of life>convenient lifestyle>safe environment (in comparison to the rest of the world)I've seen plenty of firsties with enough resources to sustain a child, yet they will not do so and instead they choose to adopt dogs, cats, spend all their money on matchas, lattes, tranime, videogames, partying and other materialistic consoomslop.I am 100% sure that, even if economy was better, they would not have children anyways, because it's a cultural event.People are raising their kids to be sheltered and removing their autonomy to take decisions and act by themselves, parents are unironically cooking and serving manchildren and womenchildren in their 20's, treating them like toddlers, spoil them and make them free from any responsibility and the consequences of their actions, then proceed to cry why their children are genetic dead ends.Many parents do so in order to keep them dependent on them, so they can have power over their children with the intention of helping/better guiding them, little do they know that, by doing so, they are anihilating their virtues and taking from them any chance of them becoming successful adults who will survive, form social networks and thrive after the parents die.If you are a parent and you want to see your grandchildren, raise your children to the world, and not to be your little pets.
Assuming birth rates will improve or would be better if the housing market was in a good state is an idealistic view that is commonly shared across online foruns, but it forgets the birth rates are result of mostly cultural factors. The nuclear family one household phenomena is quite recent, for a lot of time in history, families often shared the same state, owned or not owned by them, in order to save costs, as result, children were raised in multi-generational environments and parenting used to take a much softer toll on parents on regard energy and finances (plus stimulated networking since the children contacted multiple relatives).>The need for a house in order to breed in modern timesIn modern times, specially across developed nations, there's this belief one should live away from their family in order to start a family, this significantly augments the economic and energetic pressures if one wants to form a family, and many people end up using these hardships as excuses in order not to breed.>The Anti-Natalist brainwashingSince their childhoods, sexual education is a demonization of reproduction, women are taught that pregnancies destroy their bodies and that babies are mini-sized Hitlers/Himmlers, the same is told for males, fatherhood is too tiring and will end your life. Not only this happens in school, but it also happens in their own households, it's common for parents, specially milenial and gen X ones to communicate this to their children.
>>536586642Based Brazilian.Niggers pop kids out by the dozens and they're all broke.Whites gave up to the Jew. Simple as.
>The consumeristic frenzyMost of the young adults, starting already from the Gen X, intensifying with milenials and zoomers, are extrely consumeristic and exceptionaly vulnerable at any kind of propaganda or mass-controling psyop, as displayed by their desire to folllow the masses on tiktok. They are much more rewarded buying expensive matchas, coffees, make-up, videogames, subscriptions and so on, and will not save any of their income for future projects or contingency, parenthood is a long-term rewarding experience, and it's extremely complex, as you deal with complex human beings.If the housing market improves, instead of milenials/zoomzooms filling their rooms with children, they will just make new hobby rooms…. >Waaaw!!! Honey look this up! Now that the housing market is good, I can finally afford to make a customized BLACKED.com, anime, and gourmet beer tasting room!!And zoom zooms would either do that or rot in their rooms gooning/consuming slop content
>>536586750Then they come with the cope>I can't hecking afford a new iphone every single year, I can't afford to buy them the new jewish videogameslop, I can't afford to buy the overpriced baby clothes (because retards can't use used ones), I can't hecking have a totally thematized room for my child!!They will bring up every single excuse so they won't need to actual invest in their bloodlines. Doctrinal education is much more valuable than any private paid education... see the wealthy white kids, all hedonistic retarded fucks
>>536586970>>I can't hecking afford a new iphone every single year, I can't afford to buy them the new jewish videogameslop, I can't afford to buy the overpriced baby clothes (because retards can't use used ones), I can't hecking have a totally thematized room for my child!!Unfortunately I was raised in McMuttland Shithole Merica so I know exactly what you are talking about.
>>536586642>and other materialistic consoomslop.What other is there except the material? I sense a christcuck.
I know plenty of Dutch people who want (more) children but are constrained by problems generated by endless brownoid immigration, such as exorbitant house prices and extremely limited living spaceI'm just replying in general, as brown opinions don't actually matter
>>536586642>>536586746>>536586765We're being forcibly stopped retard it isn't a choice.
>>536586642>90% of first worlders can totally afford to have children, but they just don't prioritize it.very true. kids being expensive is a toxic meme
>>536587257Not breeding will not solve such problems, indeed, it's a defeatist take not to breed. >muh lack of spaceWell, that sucks, but our ancestors had gone throughout several problems, they just navigaged through it instead of giving up.Immigrants used to live in the same houses, all fucking on top of each other... Bolivians here in Brazil have really high birthrates, I see bolivian women with 3 to 4 kids each (the average brazilian woman has 1, 2 at best), and they all live in shared houses and their private spaces are like one single room.
>>536587586Baby clothes are indeed expensive, at least here in Brazil, and the fuckers grow so fast you quickly lose them.My first son, I got all his clothes from donations, didn't spend a single cent on clothing until he was 1 year old, and I could keep going this way.But the consumeristic desire of buying is too high among firstie... I need to buy the $80 disney shirt that the baby will lose in 2 months or I may die
>>536586642Based. Mothers are mainly responsible for this shit.
>>536587734>grow so fast you quickly lose them.we either used hand-me-downs from friends etc, or i'd just pick up something cheap from walmart. that store is good for that, when you dont need anything fancy, which for a baby you really dont.>. I need to buy the $80 disney shirt that the baby will lose in 2 months or I may dieit really is a bit like that for many, and the moment you ask them if its really necessary they start reeing about how they dont want to raise their kids in poverty like you MUST be doing etc etc. its all about your standards and having a bit of perspective on things. babies dont care, so long as they are warm and fed. my kids are older now and play out on the woods A LOT, natutrally wrecking a lot of clothes as they go. so, they just get simple stuff and/or hand-me-downs. just a few nicer things for going to town etc. also, no screens for them or fancy ass toys. its all books, things we make together or the ever popular favorite Stick etc they found in the woods lol.keep it simple.
I think a huge underappreciated aspect is that people subconsciously understand that poverty-maxing means raising your child with niggers. It's not the 30s anymore, there's no more "we were poor but we looked out for each other".https://youtube.com/watch?v=5FXvLAeGnK4You can't raise kids like this anymore. Your child will be surrounded by niggers, immersed in nigger culture and consumed by it with no hope for redemption.
>>536588240its worth putting your effort and money into living in a better location for sure. not wasting a ton on all the fancy expensive stuff that people think kids need will help you do that.
>>536588168Plus buying expensive toys is also retarded, as they will likely break it in a few months
Another thread shouting into the void which will achieve nothing. Bouncing ideas around /pol/ where everyone will circlejerk with you. Women don't want kids with most guys, there is no way to change that.
>>536588343I don't care, that's their choice. I just wanted to vent, I am tired of seeing retards using every kind of excuse in order not to man/woman up and take responsibilities up.It would be much more elegant if they said>I don't want kids because I don't want any more responsibilityThan>I DONT WANT KIDZ CUZ DA BOOMAS, DA GEN X, DA MILENIALS, DA NAZIS, DA FASCISTS, DA KKKAPITALISTS, DA HOUSING DA X THING
>>536587610Well we Whites care about high investment parenting and quality of life, that's why we're not niggers, see also at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theoryOf course those that want to replace us know this full well
>>536588343Plus>I want kids when I am ready for themI see people saying a lot of this, but nobody is ever ready for kids... you can't be 100% ready for anything on this world, for we live in an imperfect and umpredictable world. Another cope mechanism from them.If everything was perfect, no poverty, cheap housing and all, people would still be consoomaxxing and not breeding.
>>536586642I dont think you can raise a psychologically healthy kid while working a 9-5. I would be the living fuck out of my kid after a long day if he was screaming about bluey
>>536588462>believes high investment parenting is throwing money at your kids and sending them away to paid activitiesSeriously, a child raised in the right doctrine, educated by their parents by being taught the things that matter in life, critical thinking and other virtues, are much more worthier than most children that are raised in wealthy environments.Most firstie kids I see are totally spoiled and lack virtuous qualities, they are impatient, they are demmanding, they are unforgiving, they are entitled as fuck...Why? Because parents think throwing money at them will fix all their problems.. when present parenting would be much better for them.
>>536588335prety much. lego has been a good investment over the years. but you know what - a length of rope tied to a tree branch entertains as much as anything else too lol
>>536588579This is why multigenerational homes are important. Again, result of a cultural shift, firsties think that multigenerational homes are literal nazism
>>536588579do everything you can to keep the wife at home with the kids (plural). its the best chance they've got.
>>536586642Third worlders are having less children as well.
>>536588683Sometimes it entertains more than the $40 slop, it's incredible.Most of these expenses are basically parents wanting to get that dopamine rush from buying stuff
>>536588763i heard something on the radio here the other day about how some governments are thinking of placing bans on certain kinds of collectable kids toys because its causing problems - for parents who can't say no!government me harder daddy.
>>536586642Mexico has a declining birth rate. Mexicans in the US have a declining birth rate as well.
>>536588721everyone needs to work. I get the importance of family raising children but for the wive’s sake, she’ll need a career
>>536588438>>536588516Women do not want any sexual activity with most guys. They all feel entitled to Chads and nothing else. How do you regulate that? You really can't, it's their nature. Unless you take away their rights and force them to breed with average guys, this problem will keep getting worse. Also, /pol/ and the modern right are tradcuck larpers who scoff at the very thought, the very idea of even minimizing womens' rights just a tiny bit. There is no solution to this issue.
>>536588892i moved us very rural so we could buy a house with no debt. after that its easy to support a stay at home mom homeschooling the kids. like i say, do whatever you can to avoid having the wife at work and the kids in daycare/government school. that said, even if we'd stayed where we were living before (nearer family etc) and bought a house for 4-5x what this place cost, i could have kept her at home. would just have been away working for several more years.
Just today sat for coffee leaving cigarettes with lighter onto table. Going at the counter to buy coffee i see two girls about seventeen sitting in the table disresregarding items there. After i buy coffe i get back, they have left and lighter is missing. Soon after i listen some other 16-17 years old girls in the adjacent table talking amongst themselves> you are a whore> shut up bitch (joking)> in my balls> this relationship isnt going nowhere, arent you tired yet? kick him outI hope if their next boyfriend slaps them frequently there is a chance for them to become redeemed
>>536588664Fully agree, but the truth is many parents have to throw money at child care because they literally cannot find a house unless they both have full time jobs
>>536588240> carrying a few wooden pieces a day to feed your stove while living in a city> backbreakingthe propaganda for shilling the technological advancements goes too far back
>>536588240Also the number one factor of living in misery is stupidity in periods withoit famine at least.
>>536586642I dont want children because I dont want to marry a hag which at my age of 32 years is socially considered the thing to do. Not interested so I opted out. I could afford a family or a home but dont want to be the beta buxer, its that simple
>>536588516>I see people saying a lot of this, but nobody is ever ready for kids... you can't be 100% ready for anything on this world,yeah, this is right. we always wanted kids but our first came along by surprise at a time when we were definitely not ready. BUT, having to get ready pushed me to get better jobs than ive ever had and strive harder. it was a good thing. im sure im not the only one that benefits from a nudge to get the fuck moving lol
The root of modern situation is a man cant slap his wife anymore.
>>536586642You are 100% correct it is culture - feminism is the root cause behind the drop in birth rate. And it even applies to Jews, they have shit rates too when you exclude the orthodox patriarchal ones that do nothing but shit out more Jews. We could revert all the fuckery from Jews in like a month. Just have all the women quit their jobs, find a simp to marry, get married, and become home makers. That does several things: 1) Jew daycare ends, and men can go back to real work. 2) women now have to be slightly considerate of men again. 3) Simps can't just turtle and NEET at home now, they have families to grow. This then ends the hookup culture, the corporate bullshit from feminists (all the fake problems evaporate immediately). Women are now at home and can train kids properly. Day care, schooling, women can do it all. And thanks to half the working population disappearing, men can now demand proper salaries for real work, fixing decades of damage from feminism in the workplace. Then next voting cycle we can remove women's right to vote and suddenly all the Jews will shake in their shoes as men vote them all out of office. Because being anti-semite suddenly isn't political suicide. Boom, birth rate back to replacement levels and beyond, women's mental health crisis solved, men stop suiciding themselves due to no purpose. This cannot happen though, humans all share the same bias that fucks this: the female positivity bias. This means feminism hacks the human brain and once established cannot be removed because no one can dare question the better sex on anything. So the Jewish feminism will continue until the collapse. Hard times will make hard men who will re-establish patriarchy. Until the hard times come, soft men will continue and feminism will be the norm.
>>536589709Correct. Consider this: if mans muscles arent involved woman cannot be sustained in the public space. You slap your wife for calling you retard/saying to your kid his father is an idiot etc and a male cop comes to arrest you. It doesnt need to be added that female cops are useless at the job.
>>536586642more opportunities for adults = less kids
