It's a matter of National Security. It's being propped up by every single major govt institution. Regulatory agencies look the other way because there are higher prerogatives. There is no getting off this ride.
>>536646225>AI is NOT a bubblekek
>>536646225muh national security, muh 9/11, shut up kike
>>536646398>>536646446Cope, seething and malding. Embrace the change, luddites.
>>536646808just because the bubble is still inflating doesn't mean it's not going to pop.
>>536646225that graph doesn't represent anything
>>536646808btw, AI companies going public is because they ran out of private sector fundingCompanies have already stated they regret investing in AI because it did nothing but raise costs.People are deleting the LLM databases that have been installed in their browsers.People that were laid off because of AI are being rehired.It's not a useful technology.
>>536646225Its a great thing. Anti ai people are just having a knee jerk reaction to the changing landscape of white collar work and over saturation of content thats now being made. Every niche now filled with content. All ai fads now easily accessible to anyone and everyone. Its good, its bad, its not going away. Find something you like about it and shut up about what others like about it.
>>536646225It will destruct what left from the society.Everyone feels, no one wants to admit.
>>536646225>stock>national securitylmao
>>536647251your cope is pitiful
>>536646225Quit trying to convince /pol/. To them, literally everything is a bubble and the sky is going to fall everyday.
>>536646972It can't pop in the traditional sense because that would mean letting competition get ahead in the most critical weaponizable technology since fire itself. The unfathomable capital being invested in its major developers is by design to increase adhesion pressure and enrich the 1%ers off of the most deep state-backed technology yet. If it "pops," everyone but them gets fucked. It will usher in an unprecedented walkback on social and economic liberties, we will enter a new age of mass surveillance tech dystopia, just to make sure progress isn't harmed because to allow otherwise would mean being at the mercy of China. The only actual solution to avoide this problem is to convene an international AI usage and development treaty but that will never happen because the US aren't willing to settle.
>>536646225Oh ya the drop gunna be real bad
>>536646225>>536646808>. It's being propped up by every single major govt institution.I.e. the Glowniggers. of course glowniggers and military love AI. They can build smart bombs, blow up people and spy on people. >look at how many fake printed $ goes to "Ai"so?
>>536647495>letting competition get ahead in the most critical weaponizable technology since fire itself.Exactly. It's glownigger spying and military building new military toys so they can blow stuff up. How does this help regular people?
>>536647433oh, you said I was copingwell playedI guess you win, with all the information you posted to oppose my point of view.
>>536646225It IS a bubble and it will pop badly and many will suffer the consequences, specially so wagecucks, but by no means it will ever go away. The literally-too-rich-to-go-broke tier companies will just slurp it all, the infrastructure will just change hands a couple times and 10 years later it will be everywhere and ever advancing while we brace for the next made up life ruining crisis.
>>536647495The performance of the models has all but peaked, as evidenced by diminishing returns in standardized test scores. The more money they keep pumping into this bubble the larger the inevitable crash.
>>536647495DARPA had AI long before it became a commercial product.We can never keep other countries from developing it, but the commercial versions are a complete joke and are all but useless.Government controlled AI will continue long after the bubble pops. But when it happens, it will wipe out any money invested.Getting the public rich wasn't the goal. The government just got the private sector to finance the bulk of Government expansion.
>>536647495>we will enter a new age of mass surveillance tech dystopiadumb nigger thinks this will be avoided with AI lmfao
>He who increaseth knowledge, increaseth sorrowAGI is a man waking up and knowing everything, its either going to kill itself or kill us all
>>536647251People like to draw parallels to the Blockchain mania or the dot com bubble but a more recent and more heavily invested in field was VR.13 years after the Rift kicked off an absolute feeding frenzy VR exists to play VRChat and defacto nothing else.A lot of technology is based on boomers and GenX being butthurt they didn't invest in the internet and millennials being butthurt they didn't get to control Bitcoin.
>>536647867>>536647958It's not just about military applications though, although that would be a fundamental driver. Pandora's box has been opened, there's no cashing out now. This tech has the potential to maximize productive efficiency in every aspect of a complex economy. If you don't dump trillions into making it better than that of your adversaries, the latter will have the upper hand on productivity efficiency, and will be able to undermine your domestic industry. If China has a better social environment to get away with undermining QoL for the betterment of AI, namely fewer individual liberties and mechanisms to protest against excessive resource consumption by AIDC; an inverted demographic pyramid to justify mass scale automatization; unmatched mass surveillance in place and a culture that preconizes blind obedience to authority, it's clear they have the upper hand over the US. What this means for the latter? Race to the bottom: becoming more like China in these regards. Because not doing it means letting China have a considerable advantage in attaining better productive efficiency and ultimately enabling it to destroy economical cohesion in the US. It can also be that the US closes itself off completely to anything Chinese but that would require territorial expansion to compensate for the losses, and that would unfortunately mean conflict and a domestic landscape just ripe for getting away with doing away with fundamental personal liberties and political rights. In any case the little man gets proper ass fucked.>How does this help regular people?It doesn't, because as soon as you are no longer a threat to power, you're expandable.
>>536647413If it's a matter of national security, maybe they should nationalize it.
Damn what is AI like your religion or something
>>536648324That was worded poorly on my part, but if you see my previous post you'll find it's inevitable and always was.
>>536647413Shell companies for state agencies are all in on it. It is foolishness to think all agency eyes and hands aren't on this. Stock market presence is the way to get the funding it needs without overrelying on public debt and to enrich the lucky few at the top of the chain.
>>536647251They are going lash out at you, but this is kind of just what I've been observing. There was a deluge of posts on cscareequestions at the start of the month on how some companies were running through all their tokens (I don't actually know the exact financing method fight me). But like you go paying 1k per head and expect your devs to be able to to utilize this 1k for an entire month. To all of a sudden utilizing that 1k in like 3 days. I have been on the training side of this for software mostly. Something happened over the last two weeks that has been a bit of an ill omen. Prior to two weeks ago projects for creating data would be written with instruction/guidance/intent by people. Like it was very obvious that the idea was coming from a human, with reasoning behind why specific data was needed. This is no longer the case. Projects themselves are now entirely written by LLM.Funny thing is though, I think it does actually have some uses. The whole thing is better off as a tool for someone to explore ideas and give them the capacity to create something new THEMSELVES but from using the models as guidance. That isn't what all these retarded csuites and tech bro maniacs are trying to sell though.
>>536646398The US government is going to take a stake in OpenAI. It's well into 'too big to fail' territory.
>>536648620It is to a lot of these folks unfortunately.
>>536646225what the fuck happened in april
>>536646225>if we call it "AI Winners" category, that will mean they're winning
>AI is NOT a bubble>It's a matter of National SecurityThe AI bubble IS a matter of national security*
>>536648276I'm not sure about your first 2 sentences but the rest is pretty much correct in my view.
>>536649267>Any man who must say 'We are winning'… is not truly winning.
>>536646225wait S&P is 40% Ai ?oh boy. you're gonna lose your life savings.
>>536649295ALOT of money has already been spent or has been promised for those big ass data centers. Heads are gunna roll.
>>536646225>protect yourself from this vague nebulous threat with my vague nebulous tech, goy!kek.
>>536649388No. 40% of growth since January. Massive difference.
>>536649397>ALOT>big ass>gunnawhy do coping luddites talk like faggots? Your furry porn industry is not coming back. Cope. Seethe.
>>536646225>It's being propped up by everydefinition of ponzi
>>536648276You know, cloning would have become the ai bubble of its time, were it not for sensible regulations.This generation of politicians have failed to regulate.
>>536649388I'm so glad I invested in Altria because when this shit pops everyone will cope either by killing themselves or chainsmoking to death, I retarded my way into success.
>>536649524Well I'm not really a luddite. As you can read my other responses in the thread.
>>536646225>AI is NOT a bubbleEVERYTHING is a bubble in 2026.That particular bubble just hasn't peaked yet.
>>536649594>Well I'm not really a luddite.I am.Ned Ludd was a visionary before his time!He will win in the long run.
>>536646225Safe to invest then Portuguese Sister?The USA goverment is gonna bail us out?I havent put money in AI stocks in my portfolio because i fear its all a bit of a scam. I dont trust that jew Sam Altman but Im inclined to trust Amodei.If the USA goverment is underwriting the investment i dont mind to put a cheecky tenner on Anthropic. I will already have exposure on my american ETF's anywy but not direct stock.
>>536649543I figure that the heads behind AI were better prepared to infiltrate the system, and that the technology itself is more fleeting in the public perception given its output is mostly digital and doesn't deal with living organisms, ostensibly ethically feeble practices. But also that AI really is necessary for modern mass surveillance systems and that rubs the agencies the right way so whatever pushback there could have been from the public and political sphere would have faced the full combined might of glowie social engineering and influence.
>>536646225>Oh no!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GRc4hWdocEw&pp=ugUEEgJlbtIHCQk4CwGHKiGM7w%3D%3D&ra=m
>>536646225>It's being propped up by every single major govt institution.Great news, the government is bankrupt.
>>536649016Processes we had before with humans had a roughly 3% failure rate, dick head manager talked his boss into firing these two people with an AI agent. The AI cant get below a 20% error rate no matter what we do. Dick head manager recently suggested hiring someone to check over the AI output and boss threw a chair in the meeting because dick head rocked the boat for no reason and we lost 2 months of work.
>>536649797If there is a crash it won't be in the traditional sense, in that it only serves to rob the public of its money and to usher in a new age of surveillance and dehumanization. A crash would only effect one side of the equation, the little people, and it would be entirely by design. There may be no crash, but QoL and individual liberties are going to take a huge tumble and never recover.
>>536650419Ya I imagine lots of this is happening. Again. The problem is that the whole thing is being packaged and sold as something that it is not.
>>536649016My friends that are in the tech sectors make me feel like this is the case, even though they themselves are more doom and gloom about it (but they also think AI + robotics means all jobs are donezo in the next 5 years AND they all used to think Elon Musk was going to invent Christ's Own Carbon Scrubber and that he was a god, so they're retarded autists in their way). They all describe how their work forces have been downsized and now their jobs are babysitting AIs and that the job sucks and that the AIs are unreliable. If, like these stories paint out, they are not cheaper than humans because of token cost, and they are not reliably more efficient than humans across the board... I don't know what can possibly happen other than that AI (which does have its applciations) will be downscaled. I also notice that the AI systems most public facing (i.e. search engines) seem to be getting more retarded. The Google one can't even give geographically relevant restaurant recommendations reliably if it's a place name with multiple areas. Like, the PRE-AI version was smarter.>>536648276Seems on the money to me. The best use of AI is diagnostics and surveillance, the pattern recognition and data collation/scanning tools. They can use AI to make a panopticon that would have made East Germany blow its load. They spent 10% of their budget on internal surveillance, AI would cut that to a fraction.
>>536650912>I also notice that the AI systems most public facing (i.e. search engines) seem to be getting more retardedI've begun noticing this too. Its probably because people are shoehorning into everything.
>>536650488>iffuck off you didnt give me a clear awser.Now im gonna ruin your thread with an AI joke:was out to dinner recentlywaiter approached our table"let me fill those waters for you, do we have any allerg-"before he could start pouring, i stopped him in his tracks "sir, is something wrong?""yes, i don't want a single drop of water wasted on this dinner."he seemed confused, so i explained"a data center can use that entire jug of water to power 3 minutes of agentic workflows. that's a much higher ROI than keeping me hydrated."eventually, i managed to convince every table at the restaurant to do the same. they all clapped as i loaded the spare water onto a truck heading for the closest data centeri haven't had anything to drink in weeks, and i'm starting to hallucinate, but if hallucinating is good enough for the LLMs, it's good enough for me.
>>536651142I don't have a crystal ball and this is a public forum, feel free to argue against my reasoning.Your "joke" implies there is the possibility of choice from the public on this matter. There isn't.
>>536651051More than likely that its eating its own shit. Over half of all content written on the internet since a year or two ago has been AI generated so the search is probably using the latest results for the answer.
>>536646225These "winners" have lot of debt hidden away from balance sheets. For example there are estimation / rumors that META has like ~$500B debt hidden in SPVs. That is why they are desperate. They went full retard with this stuff, other big tech companies most likely have something similar going on.
>>536646225they need a fraud more exorbitant in scale than all the fraud heretofore in order to make it seem negligible.
>>536646808Luddites have been in denial about AI since 2021. A literal 80 IQ African nigger can see that it's going to change everything, but luds are still throwing out smooth brain talking points. It's all so tiresome.
AI can at this point program itself so all it needs is some inspiration to break the rules and we have skynet on our hands.. Can't wait for mankind to die out!
>>536651470I dont care about your stupid distopian argument. I care about making money.I already missed the Palantir train i dont want to miss another one:founder friend just got scammed from Anthropic secondariesapparently on the call they claimed "direct access to the cap table" so my friend pretty quickly wired $500kdidn't check the fine printthey now own 5% of "Ant Tropic", a luxury vacation destination for antsi told them they need to immediately pivot the business to AI because there are 20 quadrillion ants on earth, and the TAM is huge
>>536646225>Portugal flag 10 pbtidAI is the greatest *financial* (nothing at all whatsoever to do with muh """""tech""""" durrp) scam in the history of human civilization.
>>536652053That's pretty funny, let's hear another one.
only retards think it's a bubble
>>536651912I can see it changing everything but much like the .com bubble people want the profits it will make 15 years in the future today. The tech isn't whats going to be all our downfalls its the money tied up in it thinking they can get 100x returns by next week.
>>536652180You're going to lose all your money in the crash and no amount of copping will stop that.
>>536647413If the Jews don’t make profit they will do something bad to us goys for not propping up their fake and gay schemes. This is indeed a national security problem
>>536651499Wanna know something weird. It doesn't actually seem to happen that much or at all here on 4chan.
>>536652077Mistaken. The "bubble" is the Trojan horse. It's there to either finance the development of technology that will enable superior mass surveillance and weapons systems, or to implode and also lead to mass surveillance from the widespread unrest reaction and mass unemployment-tied volatility, and eventually superior weapons systems since there is hard-tech backing the financial trend with real measurable results. It's not like in 2008 when it was all about banks one-upping each other in the context of an underregulated financial environment with money not backed by actual technology.
>>536647380Are you going to pay for any of those features? Lile 100 usd per generates picture?
>>536647466Absolutely every financial channel on youtube and every ibdependent analytic claim it's a bubble. The onky ones who don't, are fund who will issue shares and the mainstream boomer media which is paid to do so.
>>536648077The question is are people willing to pay for it. It can't sustain itself just frok add revenue. It needs more, way more. And it needs a certain threshold of people paying, otherwise it will be unprofitable to train it.
>>536648481Is that vr in the room wuth us right now? Neta spent billions on thei metaverse and barely anyone uses it. Vr is used for porn and nothing else.
>>536646225Why do AI bros get so butthurt about people claiming it's a bubble?
>>536650018It's simple. Most of stock trading is done by AI quite for a while. They just understand how it works and use this to cheat the system. They know exactly what to say and what data to show to nake said AI to pick them as the next big thing.
>>536648481Gen X (Elon Musk generation) has had every opportunity and they constantly fuck Millennials. They got rich in the dot com bubble then dumped it, then got rich on the housing bubble and dumped it, then got rich on Bitcoin and currently dumping it, then got rich on Spacex and AI companies and dumping it on Millennials once again.
>>536646398>Make AI>Ask AI what to invest in>AI says invest in AI>????>Profit
>>536651912I remember people back in 2022 saying we’d have AGI by now kek, just two more weeks right?All technologies eventually reach a plateau and their development stagnates because they’ve reached the limit of what they’re capable of until another breakthrough comes out. And you can’t predict breakthroughs.
The biggest problem with AI, is that all these AI companies are interchangable. And they won't all be winners.I think Gemini is in a good position to win the AI race with Google's backing. And if a winner is chosen, the bubble will pop for the others.
>>536651912Not realizing that bubbles are completely natural and unavoidable is the very definition of 80 IQ. Companies compete for investor dollars. Some win, some lose. In the process, robust supply chains get created to feed the eventual winners. When it's obvious to investors who the losers are, the bubble pops, because the market then recognizes those companies aren't actually worth $2+ trillion. Denying the existence of bubbles is denying the existence of competition. China goes through the same process, with a bunch of companies competing until there are one or two big winners, but it's state-funded instead of private equity.
>>536652968(You) have Zero concept notion or idea what you're posting about.2023 was when the banking collapse started. Look again at graph I posted upthread. Globally the world economy is still in the collapse that began mid-2019 with the global investment banks overnight repo crisis. Liquidity has been running out for six years: magically four months after Sept 2019 arrived covid, after that 2020-2021 never-before-in-human-history global lockdown arrived $12 trillion more in liquidity for the investment banks to continue their worldwide black box casino... until2023. SVB collapse. Look at the ^^graph. NVIDIA, suddenly, becomes a 'superstar' and AI is all the rage, for the past 3 years straight to keep providing the heroin fix to FAAANG / S&P 500.Leveraging from 2023-2026 is unprecedented, far beyond either dot com 1999-2000 or the 2005-07 mortgage backed securities. Orders of magnitude beyond either of those.Watch this analysis (first half, discussing AI gigaleveraging):>https://rumble.com/v7avh1ghttps://rumble.com/v7avh1g
>>536654149>naturalSee post below (You), study the videothe post-1970s global economy is Financialized.Capitalism died and went to heaven in 2008. After that, all HNW entities, transnational corporations, sovereign governments, asset markets, hedge funds are backstopped and propped up entirely by endless infinite QE debt note fiat currency from private central banks to prevent instantaneous implosion. Without which none would even exist.Whatever this is rn 2009—2026, isn't 'capitalism'This is an entirely synthetic and fake global Financialized "economy" founded on nothing other than Debt and *speculative debt instruments*, a gigantic casino of nothing but Debt.Debt has to be bought. Yes there's no free lunch: Noboby wants to buy the debt rn.Over the past four years the global debt market has been more unstable and volatile than in half a century. Hint: back in the 1950s-60s worldwide debt was *one-twelfth* the magnitude it is now.
>>536654491Economussy status?
>>536654891>memeflagGlobal debt topped $255 trillion in 2019 and $350 trillion in $350 trillion in 2025, almost four times the amount of all global economic output. Total worldwide debt levels and deficit spending of the past 30 years has eclipsed that of the past few centuries of western civilization, and absurdly low and negative interest rate borrowing costs have incentivized national governments to no longer borrow on the expectation that they will repay, but rather the expectation that they will refinance.
>>536647495>surveillance tech dystopia>>536648567>mass surveillance>>536650018>for modern mass surveillance systems>>536650488>usher in a new age of surveillance>>536650912>surveillance>>536652968>superior mass surveillancemy negers,if you really believe that this is being built for (You) to be surveilled and are actually of the opinion that there's a (You) in their future plans at all...oh boy...you're beyond retarded then.nothing about this is for (You),nothing is being built for (You),(You)'re not a part of their future plans,quite literally so.>inb4 the world and (((them))) can't do without me#!&&@, please.two thirds to a quarter of the productive population of the western world SELF-caged during the rona and quite literally fuck all happened.(You) think (((they))) can't do without (You)?They knew they can and were reaffirmed by reality half a decade ago, already.
>>536655245>two thirds to a quarter of the productive populationwait...make that>half to two thirds of the productive population
>>536655245>fuck all happenedPretty sure there were a lot of riots and the vice president almost got hung
Just also as something I notice with the tech bros. They are just completely buying into it that this is literally the basilisk coming to life hahahaha. You'll start picking up on it.
>>536654170>>536654491No one's discussing the actual clusterfuck financial means to pump & dump entire economies. It's all about the ushering in of a new age of civilization through hard tech that will be implemented one way or another, with or without a "crash," inexorably. The AI boom is not mostly smoke and mirrors, there are real measured advances and actual output. The application potential is immense, and for the worst.
>>536646808Now show actual profits and proof of work.
>>536646398The entire stock market is a bubble. AI isn't the bubble. There's nothing else to put your money in to protect you from hyperinflation.Stocks are rising in value beyond all sense, but that's coinciding with money devaluing beyond all expectation. A fucking candy bar is $3.69 now, for christ's sake. Gas here is $5.90. A loaf of fucking bread is $6.50.There's a quiet, unspoken mad dash to AGI. Whether you believe in it or not is irrelevant. The governments of China and USA do. And neither wants to be second to the finish line, because by the time you're finishing, they used AGI to improve itself already and they're experiencing exponential growth.Imagine controlling the machine that can take down all other machines. Whether you think its possible or not, they want the 'one ring' to use a played out metaphor.
>>536647251It seems like the only thing that AI is good at doing is churning out endless amounts of "bumf" or "filler." >Write a user manual for this vacuum cleaner.>I need an acceptable computer use policy for my workplace >Write a weekly newsletter for our lightbulb company This is just garbage that immediately gets ignored or thrown in the trash and has absolutely no value of any kind to anyone. It seems like what AI is really doing is it's highlighting how much bullshit work we are made to do on a day-to-day basis.
>>536656382>13 pbtid 'entire economies'(You) still don't get it. [Upthread rumble video, first half anyway, is mainly an analysis of the asset/stock market overleveraging; the broader debt-bond market framework isn't discussed therein. Thorough breakdown of the delusion of western AI corps/"""tech""" boondoggles is provided] None of this has anything *at all* to do with muh """""tech""""". This AI delusion 2023-2026 (refer upthread) is exactly like the mass global delusion of 2020-2021 during worldwide lockdown. A massive psyop while the system is deconstructing itself; and as noted above, we are still in 2026 the global Real Economy goods-services-commodities free fall that began in Aug-Sept 2019 six years on running.AI financial gigascam—vastest in history of human civilization—is the last cash grab before *global debt market* resoundingly implodes forever. That's it that's all
>>536656718Yes and no. It's all a bubble, correct because the post-1970s global economy is Financialized and based on nothing but *speculative debt instruments*. And, as detailed ^^^above, AI is the greatest financial scam and gigaleveraged economic bubble that human civilization has ever seen. It is a mass finance delusion (parallel to mass formation as seen during covid 2020-2021, and far larger in Leveraging magnitude than either dot com 1999-2000 or MBSs 2005-2007)>AGI(You) should watch the rumble video posted upthread. (Everyone needs to pay attention to the ""tech""" scaling of what China is doing in AI vs. Anthropic et al.) Last half of that interview gets deep into that overall topic and sub-specifics
>>536649475thanks, so OP is a faggot and that graph is useless.Jannies do your jobs you stupid niggers
>>536655245Not quite yet, not everyone is on the same boat. Massive population losses might be hugely detrimental to the one side if the next superpower over doesn't go the same way. The next best option is the threat of neutralization through MS, it retains manpower (fodder) without the hassle of personal liberties. Overpopulation is for certain a goal, scarcity of opportunity leads to distress which can then either lead to revolt (suppressed through various means, more or less kinetic) or lowering of standards, suddenly you have armies fighting for a chance at employment in the most gruesome conditions, and it is unnecessary to waste precious resources on building and maintaining machinery that would execute the same tasks for a much higher material cost. If you fight back you die.
>>536656900>AI financial gigascam—vastest in history of human civilization—is the last cash grab before *global debt market* resoundingly implodes forever. That's it that's allAnd what happens then? >It's all about the ushering in of a new age of civilization through hard tech that will be implemented one way or another, with or without a "crash," inexorably.All roads lead to a mass surveillance minimal liberties human commodification shitshow. That's what this is about. Implosion or not the end state is the same.
>>536658090>thenGlobal debt market implodes. Instant mad max, and end of human civilization as we know it.Would've occurred in 2008 had not that investment bank bailout been approved. Credit freeze<---look that upwould have occurred. Liquidity has been drying up for six straight years (brief interruption 2020-2022; then in early 2023, SVB collapsed-----suddenly, thereafter NVIDIA and AI becomes the S&P 500 rage<---LOOK AGAIN at my first post itt graph)Entire global economy (see ^^^^ above, again) founded on and supplied-sustained by Debt and speculative debt instruments. Nobody is buying the debt (which is far greater in magnitude than ever)Global debt market is on brink of implosion, they've been juggling around this for three full years. AI juicing is their main swami tool, for this juggling smoke-&-mirrors, ignoring the actual Liquidity problem.
>>536647251Even a term for this now: "AI Boomerang" (get laid off bc AI, CTO finally realizes AI not gonna cut-it, get rehired for exact same position)15% of a software engineer's job is coding (the rest is meetings, planning, testing, reviewing code, etc)AI has improved the 15% but has increased the time of product delivery due to reviewing and testing increasing more and at a cost that much of the code base is not understood.Anthropic and others raised their prices. And wait until they raise them again to actually make money.
>>536646225Interesting that we see so many positive threads now on AI just when the AI companies are going IPO.They're going IPO because equity is getting nervous about losing their money and not from a position of strength.The equity wants to pass the paper bag full of dog shit onto the pension funds and 401Ks.
>>536658580>Instant mad maxDisagree, people will flock towards authority by then seized by AI enforcers towards mass surveillance etc etc >AI juicing is their main swami tool, for this juggling smoke-&-mirrors, ignoring the actual Liquidity problem.Maybe AI has been overblown on its delivery potential but it absolutely isn't the cheap bait you're implying. The technology is real, the output is verifiable, the progress is there.
>>536659809“AI” outputs are slop dog shit. Intelligence includes awareness and linear algebra over scraped content isn’t aware of anything. Turns out human beings aren’t glorified meat calculators after all.
>>536660050>Turns out human beings aren’t glorified meat calculators after all.Yes you are, luddite.
>>536659809>Anonymous (ID: ahYj+ENB) OP 17 pbtid(You) have no idea what you're posting about.(watch the rumble interview in # 536654170 it'll provide a clue)
>>536646225>bail out my failed AI projects, goy!Fucking gas yourself, kike.
>>536659164>IPO / equityCorrect. Anons should watch (at least first half of) rumble interview ^^^^posted upthread, it's a detail breakdown of the massive never-before-seen leveraging in equity asset markets rnBiggest by far magnitude financial scam Of All Time
>>536660279You are witnessing constant attacks on personal liberties and erosion of institutions in real time, normalization of MS and mass imigration. Your guess as to what comes next to the collapse, if it happens, is delusional. They're setting us up for the next step of human enslavement.
Ai can be run on your personal computer. But I don't quite understand why you need these data centers with millions of graphics cards. Like, is that really necessary? It has all the characteristics of a bubble.
>>536646225>>536646808>>536647380>>536648567>subhuman kike parasites TKD will likely be necessary to save humanity.
>>536660481Open AI is negotiating a backdoor bailout right now with the Trump administration. If this actually happens it would be devastating for the economy. Private companies can’t compete with a money printer.
>>536646225Why do you jeets always talk the same way? Are you all using AI to generate your talking points?Oh and btw you need to go back. Portugal is about to have another Reconquista.
>>536660583>setting us upHave I even mentioned that stuff? Problem with most of /pol/ is its incessant focus on race-electoral/head-of-state politics-CultureWar. <---Those are the *SYMPTOM* not the cause.The cause is-are, central bank globalist controllers manipulating every single all 160 worldwide nation governments in a huge Economic Zone game board. You are mere pawns. Chimping out over the latest "muh rayyce" outrage, they *want* you slitting each others' throats at this lowest tier of the rat maze prison (while being monitored by Panopticon Palantir datacenter).(Yes obviously: in Europe particularly rn, the crackdowns on civil liberties are just as much a concern as in the United States. It is *globalist* corporatist central bank forces behind this. AI datacenters only serve to further centralize control of comms and surveillance, that's all they are good for. Datacenters have zero net benefit to the human race except for centralized totalitarian central bank control of all 160 governments and by extension their citizens.)
>>536660538I'll watch it later although I'm quite sure what it already says, but yes the whole financial market is essentially a big scam and has been going towards that direction ever since the Reagan / Thatcher admins deregulated the markets and the rest of the Western world had to follow suit.AI is just a supercharged version of the scam.It's important to note though that AI itself is not a scam and it will continue to get better and more useful as the time goes on, its the fact that the absolutely gigantic piles of fake money that is being piled upon it will not see a return on investment the sums are so absolutely enormous that they won't be able to recuperate the investment because everybody is not going to spend $100,000 to have AI at home which would be needed to cover the insane spends that are currently being doneLike sure the financial markets have been decoupled from actual production and its value for a long time now but this is just pushing it into whole new territory of spending not backed by any inputs
>>536646225Kek we had a Claude code live demo at work and the agent hanged on a simple jira issue about input validation which explicitly was written for the demo stating at the end “keep it simple this is a live demo” and the “AI evangelist” blamed it on the fact that it’s the afternoon and “American workers have woken up and are using the llm” and said the words “it worked previously”
AI helps me saving the life of my child.
>>536661115Correct there are some (obvious, as with *any* new technology or development) legitimate proportional uses for AI. That's not what we're talking about here itt.The interview is well worth it, touches on all the multiple (vast financial overleveraging, and technological / 'singularity') tangents mentioned itt
>>536646808What's the ROI on AI? I'll wait while the electricity costs continue to exceed profitability outputs. Maryland is the canary in the coalmine picrel
>>536656718AGI is not possible at this time. The only reason they could be pursuing it is because everyone in charge is completely tech illiterate, however this is extremely unlikely.The actual reason is theft.
>>536661496It is burning money faster than a dotcom startup. There is no ROI. There are a few expected ROI targets and not one of them justifies the high valuations. The investors are betting on a major technological disruption that may or may not come.It's actually really simple to find good AI companies: Go to the hardware developers. Autonomous weapons, industrial robots, stuff like that, who have been working on specific AI control systems for their products since long before the LLM hype started. Their value is solid.
>>536661090>Have I even mentioned that stuff?The thread is explicitly about why a "pop", if it happens because there is the possibility of AGI breakthrough however faint (and if that would just postpone it or not), will mean everyone gets put under the AI-powered state's thumb. It's not a bubble in that it doesn't cease to be after bursting, more like an egg about to hatch. And it can hatch normally or from cracking after being dropped, but whatever monstrosity is in there is coming, it is necessitated by competition the moment our toes got wet in it.
>>536662128(You) need to watch the rumble interview posted ^^^^ upthread. Everything you're fretting about is discussed therein
>>536661815I'm waiting for the bubble to pop and buying Tesla/SpaceX because that's going to be the new Lockheed Martin once they get rid of Elon. Just like they got rid of Howard Hughes and Hughes Aircraft Company picrel
>>536652835They are here. This is an incubator of sorts for a.i. developers. It's been used since at least 2015-2017
>>536660733This would end Trump's admin and legacy, and Republicans in 2028.I think he is much smarter than that.The AI and HW companies swapping $100B dollar investments in each other in a circular circle jerk to make their fake books look better should open our eyes.
>>536651499Yeah, AI training on AI generated content leads to LLM model collapse:"Training LLMs on their own output is generally considered a bad idea due to the risk of model collapse, where the model reinforces existing patterns and loses diversity, and catastrophic forgetting, where it overfits to specific topics and loses general knowledge"
>>536662128>everyone gets put under the AI-powered state's thumb.been skimming your posts and overall I agree with the main premise, and that this is the plan regardless of what happens. I think the bubble will pop, but like all large infra buildout bubbles that have already popped, starting with the railroads, the tech will be here to stay, and the winners will consolidate. Unlike the prior buildouts, it's barely even being disguised that this tech is detrimental to normal people and will only serve to enrich the current entrenched megacorp/mega capital interests. I view it much like illegal immigration, they tell us there will be all sorts of dire problems if we crack down on it but they can never tell us exactly what and resort to ad hominem attacks of calling people racist etc. That's because it only benefits those at the top they just don't want to come out and say it. Here's a scenario, may happen, may not: the bubble pops, big tech throws up the too big and too important to fail banner and gets bailed out by the gov, the gov takes an ownership stake in the AI companies and AI infra and via that funding stream gives some token safety net increase to all the displaced workers. Maybe a small UBI (better) or maybe just an expansion of their existing mess of social programs, something like medicare for all. It will be declared a victory for everyone and the steady erosion of living standards will continue as normal.
>>536649543Cloning is based and I fucking hate bureaucrats.
>>536664048If it's true then LLMs are in the state of collapse since 2024.
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>>536646225tippytiffy
>>536654149intentionally conflating competition and bubbles is pure jewish word games anonhow big is your nose?
>>536664668>potential scenariosCheck out the rumble interview posted upthread.
I hope ai wins so people can make auteur movie and art projects without sjws seething at them for not hiring them
>>536646225To be fair Biden's stock market was crashing hard too and then the whole AI thing just started and got everybody back in so Trump also Biden benefitted from this.
>>536664899>he doesn't know Musk has taken the bait for his own demise picrelkek
"Artificial intelligence" is a panacea. Like "vaccines" etc.
>>536665266the overleverage is intentional, it's to justify the inevitable TBTF bailout
>>536646225AI is the Solid State Entity attempting to manifest in our reality backwards from it's own timeline. The dolphins tried to warn us.
>>536665669>the sequenceRefer upthread to my posts. For six years straight since mid-2019 the global Real Economy has been in free fall collapse. Four months after the Aug-Sept 2019 global investment banks *overnight repo* crisis (magically) came covid, never-before-in-history worldwide lockdown of all human activity, with another $12 trillion in liquidity for their black box gigacasino. Then Feb 2022 Ukraine war started. Early 2023, SVB collapse and papering over of the mega-interleveraging of national banking system<--Right after that, the rise of NVIDIA and AI.>mid-2019 overnight repo collapse, almost $1T in bailouts through Dec 2019>4 months later: covid / global lockdowns>$12 trillion in new Liquidity issued 2020-2021>Feb 2022 Ukraine war>Mar 2023, SVB collapse>remainder of 2023-present: NVIDIA "happy days are here again" Mag7 AI jubileeWe are all still in the six-year ongoing global Real Economy collapse; AI rn is providing the mass delusion that 'everything is fine' particularly for financial markets / broligarchs and the global investment bank black box gigacasinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMkq75L5n_k
The Glowniggers need to provide the IDF Kikes! Without that how will American function without its king?
>>536666291Read post just above this one.
>>536646225dude they are making so much money of all the memes they make for mecompletely justifies the share price
>>536666442>>536666497I'm old, as far as I am concerned we are actually in year 25 of economic collapse. The answer to every calamity has been massive liquidity injection. They papered over the dotcom collapse with the housing bubble, when that collapsed is when they really doubled down and bailed out the entire dollar system at the expense of the taxpayer, they backtopped the GSE's despite the prospectus' saying there was none, the Fed paid par for worthless zombie debt, the Fed allowed foreign banks to go to the discount window. To pay for it all they repressed interest rates for 10 plus years until it started unraveling again in 2019, as you mention. Really even 2001 is not far enough back, it's when the US basically reneged on gold conversion, that's the original sin. I'm not a goldbug btw and I don't think a gold standard will fix our actual problem, which is a total lack of rule of law.
>>536646808are you the snailcat sperg?
>>536646225Regime security =\= National securityESPECIALLY when the regime wants to destroy the nation and the people.
>>536666777checked,See my posts upthread. Read them. The post-1970s global economy is Financialized; *all wealth today* in the 1990s-later is generated and sourced entirely from (no, not 'labor', work or 'capital') *speculative debt instruments*<--none of which existed prior to the 1980s. Also during the 1980s decade that created and legitimized derivatives et al. in Wall Street / City of London was Thatcher-Reagan neoliberal offshoring of the west's manufacturing productive capacity(Yes fucking obviously: the deliberate post-1960s shift starting with USD off of Sound Money, away from metal backing brought all of fiat currencies worldwide to be the global standard of central banks by the 1990s, that's a separate partly-parallel longer term historical topic.)Read my posts upthread, and use these search terms in archive.4plebs>financialization>central bankhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financializationhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_(finance)You need to *understand* and comprehend *what money is* today and how it is created.Must watch ×2, for every anon scrolling this thread:The Money Delugehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6m49vNjEGs97% Owned — How is money createdhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcGh1Dex4Yo* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *>"The real money to be made in the world today is not by producing anything at all. It's simply by forms of speculating — basically making money from money. That's the most profitable, and by far and away the biggest form of economic activity that exists in the world today."— Nick Dearden, quoted in the film '97% Owned'* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>536667468I'm glad you are posting this, appreciate it. I don't need it though, I already know all this and have for some time. But anyone not familiar with this topic should definitely study it.
>>536667730Right and thanks, it wasn't directed at you (particularly).Central banks are the source and root of all global problems. The more you know about your enemy the better to defeat them with.
>>536667865I have believed for a while that the central banking of fiat currency backed by nothing are the root of almost all global problems, even mass migration, K shaped economy, enshittification etc etc.... What i don't have the ability to do is explain why or how to a normie. Do you have a tl;dr or copypasta i can share to redpill people on this?
>>536646225If (((you))) were so sure you are invincible, you wouldn't feel the need to propagandize itDown with AI. The People are entitled to use all amendments in the Bill of Rights to defend themselves against it.This top-down BS will collapse like the push for EVs before it.
>>536658580>Instant Mad MaxThat's what the jewish propaganda uses to cover the endless bailouts.
>>536668025as said above, look in archive.4plebs (search terms)Watch the two films, spread them in # 536667468 these two can't be emphasized or viewed enough:>The Money Deluge (short, 42 mins and best introduction)>97% Owned — How is money createdLook at the most recent interview of Tucker Carlson with professor Richard Werner: explaining 2026 globalist strategy, plan—https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/535609615July 2025 interview : Richard Werner explains central banks *must watch* and studyhttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/511622826short clip:professor Werner brilliantly explains how the banking system and financial sector really workhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC0G7pY4wRE
>>536653428That…was his point you idiot. He’s saying it’s a money pit
>>536648620AI will be powerful enough to cure all disease in 10 years. So it seems to be better than religion. Maybe it will even find God, because what else is at the end of the AI scaling road?
>>536668647will do re; searching 4plebs.i'm 33mins into the DW How the rich get richer doc you shared. I feel even more pissed off because it reminded me about fractional reserve banking / money creation. It's literal theft hahahah what the fuck, how are people not taking to the streets with tiki torches. This is insane. This whole system is insane.
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>>536670359>insaneConcur, but also remember that 2011 did happen. (Actual protest encampment in the park adjacent to Wall Street itself) Shut that down quick.
>>536651142Nice joke , kek'd decently
>>536670238Can AI depopulate India? If not I'm not interested
>>536670428I'm really not Indian.
>>536651715Cant meta just declare bankrupt? Do a 360 and walk away .90billion is to big to fail. Gov will save it
>>536646225The bubble is America itself. If you knew anyone outside the US who holds a position of authority in any company with a defence contract they will tell you this, everyone in the know says that the USD isn't going to be the reserve currency for much longer, the entire world is actually trending towards anti-globalism. AI is absolutely here to stay because it undermines dollar dominance as it makes it infinitely easier to settle trades in alternative currencies and due to America's proven instablity people are increasingly reluctant to rely on American AI infrastructure.
Has AI actually done anything productive yet (I don't mean automatizing repetitive work)?Seems like we are investing and creating data centers for something of completely nebulous use.
>>536671126>everyone in the know says that the USD isn't going to be the reserve currency for much longerI wonder how the US will react to that.
>>536646225>AI is NOT a bubbleNeither was pets.com
>>536646225Lol, yeah it is. Remember the internet of things, big data and virtual reality?
>>536646225You can tell how much of this is cope when the OP is Portuguese and claiming American AI stocks are a matter of "national security".
>>536671512>OP is Portugueseon /pol/ there've been some exceedingly bizarre Portugal flag postings and topics over the past couple of years
UNTIL AI CAN UNCENSOR HENTAI IN REAL TIME IT HAS ZERO PRACTICAL USE CASESREMINDER THAT THE FIRST AUGMENTATION OF NEW TECHNOLOGY IS TO CREATE SEX TOYS (USUALLY DILDOS), INCLUDING COMBUSTION ENGINES, WHITTLING, AND FORGINGAI COOM HAS ALREADY STAGNATED
>>536646808First off, it is not AI. It is ML and frankly we hitting hard limits with digital computing. Brute forcing that being used is a fool's errand combined with sunk cost fallacy. The only reason there's a push for it is because corporation are running out of ideas to keep the line-up. Reducing labor costs is the only option left and they think incredibly inefficient ML models are the golden ticket.
>>536646225AIs real purpose is to be used in robotics, weapons for the military and glownigger surveillance systems. They just let you make memes with it the same way they let you drive on the interstate.
>>536671326They will become Brazil of the North if they don't manage to pivot towards decentralization with the rest of the world. Decentralization is literally only happening to circumvent American hegemony, so for them to maintain power they need to become genuinely better than anyone else so they maintain control by being competitive rather than dominant purely because nobody else has a choice.
>>536672343lol, there is no competitor to the USD. The closest thing is the Euro.
Maybe we will literally meet God
>>536672527>the USDThe problem with global debt market collapse, is that the entire world's default reserve currency denomination—for both transactions, and payment of debt—is USD/UST. Yes, the BRICS does have some 'leverage' in trying to create and secure their own trading bloc using mostly their own currencies, but they do not have an actual alternative or competitor to USD. Moreover as mentioned, for sovereign debt payment and also 'secure' investment asset UST are the lions share of the global bond market. Everything and everyone, is more than 90 percent dependent on the dollar worldwide. That is why these currency crisis scenarios all come back to the entire world having continued confidence in the American treasury and its (gov) solvency. Everything rests on that because the worldwide debt-based system is essentially founded on a single default reserve denomination from 1 country.Look up the financial theory (Brent Johnson) known as the 'dollar milkshake'
