Do women have an OBLIGATION to have sex with their husbands or is it possible that what he does is rape when she does not feel like it?This is a big debate in western countries where women have loudly said now they don't owe anyone sex and that they can take back consent anytime even after they consented during an act of sex if they take it back it becomes rape according to western women now even after they said yes and are in the middle of sex
>>536658589Just because your wife agreed to marry you that doesn't mean she consented to have sex with you whenever you want. If you force her to have sex or refuse to stop having sex when she withdraws consent, that's still textbook rape.
>>536658589Does anyone want to play PUBG ? https://www.twitch.tv/lacroix_c
>>536658589No.
>>536658589If your wife doesn't say "yes master" to all your sexual commands, do you even have a wife?
>>536658753She needs to learn what till death do us part means.
my wife likes it when I rough her up and hatefuck her
>>536658589You can definitely abuse your wife if you're a subhuman. If you're white you would know how to love your wife so you don't need to rape her ever.
>>536658753Wrong
>>536658589wives have no obligation to have sexBUT!husbands cannot withhold money because that's spousal abuse WHAT DO?
>>536658589I'm fixin to find out when she gets out of the shower if she ain't down to fuck.
>>536659053Wives do have an obligation to sex
>>536658589>in the middle of sexin the middle?!they can withdraw consent long AFTER the sexfor example when you fail to marry her and were just playing around when you make it clear you will not marry all the sex she had with you becomes fraudulently obtained, therefore RAPE wake up
>>536659121>Wives do have an obligation to sexmaybe under some church law but not under civil law which is the only law that matters
This wikipedia article is islamophobic.Women consent for life the moment they say yes at the wedding, period.
>>536658892>>536658972See>>536659226
>>536659323You are a feminist talking about "withdrawing consent"
>>536659323"death do us part" doesn't mean "pussy on tap"also that phrase is part of church vowsnot civil marriage you're clutching like a sovcit caught driving without a license and registration
>>536658589yes
>>536658589The whole system is jewish do yes.
>>536658589There is no debate about this since the 70sOf course can your wife say no. You can do it like generations before and just get a mistress. No need for rspe and violence.
>>536659552Marriage is a commitment. You supporting feminism is not an argument
>>536658589Wikipedia seems to have answered your question definitively.
>>536658589Gender sperg thread wooo
>>536659640Wikipedia is a biased source
>>536658589Why get married if you refuse to fulfill your partner's sexual needs? You shouldn't be able to rape your wife, but if she won't fuck you, then you deserve more than 50% in the divorce. If your wife refuses to fuck you for a year straight, unless there's a medical condition, you deserve at least 70% of the settlement.That's just making things right after you got scammed.
the real question is:who wants to fuck his own wife after 2-3 pregnancies or 10 years living with her?
>>536658589All women orgasm during 'rape'.
>>536658753Incorrect. She consented, and gave ongoing consent, when she said "I do". Under the traditional Western definition of marriage, not only is it ok to have sex with your spouse whenever either of you wants, it is actually a sin to refuse sex with your spouse (under the Abrahamic faith), and refusal is grounds for immediate divorce. In fact, the ONLY time it's ok to have sex at all is with your spouse.For a wife to refuse sex with her husband is roughly equivalent to fraud: he married her under the expectation that she would see to his physical needs the same way he sees to her. It's a contract violation, in other words. "Marital rape" is an oxymoron - you can't rape someone that consents, and the marriage contract IS that consent.
>>536659464If she cuts off the sex the the relationship is dead.The death part of till death.Live in reality you lawyer faggot.
>>536659930Nothing in the marriage contract stipulates that a woman has to constantly be accepting of her husband's advances. What you're arguing is pure headcanon.
>>536658589At the very least renders marriage obsolete. There's no reason to marry if it's all responsibilities without any upside other than theoreticals "married men live 0.8% years longer than single men", "married men have a 4% lower chance of pancreatic cancer" and so on.The immediate relevant benefit of marriage for 99% of the male population was sex on tap. If that's off the table, marriage is simply a very cumbersome last will.
>>536660082Woops, wrong webm. This is the one I was meant to post.
>>536658753Women don’t have a concrete concept of consent anyway. They will say they don’t feel like it then be really happy once they get into it and have no problem the next day. It’s true women decide whether they did indeed consent after the sex is already over.
>>536660060>headcanonNo, it's *literal* canon in the Roman Catholic, the Eastern Orthodox, the Muslim, and the Jewish religions. Considering that marriage as an institution is completely pointless without it being treated as a religious sacrament/rite, the Abrahamic faiths are the ones that decide what the rules are governing marriage, not me, not secularists, and CERTAINLY not you and your individual preference for squeamishness around an inherently adult subject of discussion.
>>536660082Gun to my head I'd rather die KHHV than pretend I can listen to that retard for the small chance of fucking her
>>536660355Your religion doesn't matter. All that matters is the civil law underlining the union.
>>536659464The Bible states that a man and his wife become one flesh. You can’t rape yourself it’s impossible.
>>536660470Oh, you mean the civil law that's so heavily disfavored toward men that marriage rates have dropped to an 80-year low? Those civil laws?Most of the reason men aren't marrying is explicitly because they're getting a raw fucking deal under the civil laws, and they fucking know it. The religious rites/traditions have worked just fine for 2,000+ years, and part of those traditions includes "the wife doesn't get to say no when the husband wants to get off, she either does it herself or provides a suitable stand-in because his getting off is HER RESPONSIBILITY, HER DUTY."
No
>>536658589If I can't fuck my wife whenever I damn well feel like it I ain't getting married.
>>536658753I dont care if its fantasies or if its fake. It is a humiliation ritual for Lorna Hajdini that cannot survive being memed into a pajeet fucker. Chirayu’s curry stained hands fingering her gefilte fish axe wound and both those odors mixing and permeating in the room. hahahahah he fucking won at the end. She will be immortalized cannons and all. Post feet. I dont care if its AI and Hajdini has six toes! I want to believe the smell! Chirayu what a fuckin troll hahaha she cannot undo this defamation it has to much meme magick in it. Chirayu looks so innocent, his angelic doe eyes and so naive to be a troll gas lighting the well. lmao the fucker has the last laff for sure. Hajdini has suffered from an offensive pajeet counter psyop of Brahmin levels over 9000 that has damaged her entire persona being the jamboy fucker that she is. I wonder how spicy she liked her vindaloo penis? Bet her vagene expels raita goo from her arousals of having a brown boytoy. And the cannons she has are unmatched! Flat chested fishheads are seething! She gets spit roasted as well. lmao kek I even like the pajeet smile Hajdini is doing as a mockery hahahah
Rape is a legal concept and it refers to the sexual violation of another without their lawful consent, and the law does indeed require consent from all women. So legally, yes marital rape exists as a matter of fact. What you really mean to ask is should it be illegal?
>>536658753Faggot.
>>536660082>wants "traditional dating"No she doesn't. Traditional dating involves you publicly announcing that you and the other person are "going steady" and you're no longer on the market. She doesn't like the "talking stage" but she's almost certainly not willing to commit to one guy so she can get out of that stage, she wants to "keep her options open", i.e., keep one foot out the door at all times.Men don't play that shit. You're either all-in, or you're out, ho.
>>536659640> PedowikiaYikes
>>536658589You cannot rape them but if she never gives you sex shes failing her marital obligations and you can fill a divorce
>>536659733> incel hot takesThe yikes continue
>>536660858Precisely. Why the FUCK would I pay to support a woman if I don't get to use her when I so please? Bitch, a street-walker would be cheaper and SHE'S on-demand, why the fuck do you think you as my wife can demand more and offer less?
>>536661005No, they meant what they said. Did you miss the part where the marital contract IS that consent? Because it is, and therefore marital rape is an oxymoron - a logical contradiction. You cannot rape your wife: the very fact that she is your wife means she gives ongoing consent for the duration of your marriage.
>>536660082> like like liketty like I uh dunno likeI just got a massive ick.
>>536658972>>536661029kek, actual psychopaths on this board. unironically seek help or a bullet in your skulls
>>536661005What do you think the "I do" meant?Why do you think she had to sign a paper in the presence of two witnesses?Think about this for two seconds.
>>536661373The contract doesnt state she has to have sex anytime you want you retard. Mutual respect and protection is also part of the contract
>getting marriedThere's your first mistake.
>>536661562The contract is an ongoing and irrevokable consent to sex. If she don't like it then she shouldn't marry. Cats are always an option.>Mutual respect and protection is also part of the contractNo, the contract says no such thing. She consents to sex and he consents to half his stuff.
My wife is into rape play so I'm good
>>536658589>Is it possible for a spouse to rape his/her spouse?No.
>>536661562The contract also doesn't state that he has to pay for her food or her shelter or her luxury goods. So where does that leave us? A woman not sleeping with a man, and a man not providing for a woman. So then what was the fucking point of getting married in the first place?Exactly: no point. May as well be fucking roommates. Fuck that shit. If the husband has duties, the wife does too, and one of those wifely duties is sucking his dick if he wants her too. Period.
>>536658589Within the Christian institution of marriage, there are conjugal rights. Married people have a duty to their spouses to be available to one another and this includes, but is not limited to, sexual availability. Prots have fully subverted the institutional of marriage with this revisionist feminist nonsense. By marrying someone you are consenting your being to them under Christ and joining them as one.
>>536661779Actually yes. You can't rape her vagina because that is a reproductive sex organ and it is both of yours. So you can use it anytime. But throat and anus rape is possible.
>>536661666I hope you never marry (or reproduce) because you are going to get buttfucked in court, non consensually>>536661818>The contract also doesn't state that he has to pay for her food or her shelteIt literally does
>>536661940Then that is why men are refusing to marry under civil laws anymore - because he is given duties but she is not. That's a raw fucking deal any way you slice it.Religious marriage is still going strong, because the Abrahamic ones at least have part of the contract for the wife that says "to love AND OBEY".
>>536658589flippity floppity I rape my women because their property
>>536658589How can you prove marital rape anyway, unless you had footage the husband just hss to say "she's got my cum in her becasue we had sex." It's just she said he said game at that point. Hell even with footage you can just play it off as bedroom play.
>>536661927Throat and anus penetrations are sexual categories and thus included in a marriage.
>>536662259>sexual categoriesAre you using porn as your point of reference? In that case I'm sure your whore of a wife enjoys all the BBC while you sit and watch. Cuckhold is a category after all. Vile faggot.
>>536658753If you were drunk and you can't remember anything then it never actually happened in your world. You have to meditate on this until you can fool yourself. If you don't believe it then it doesn't work. If it does work then you can expand it out to other things.
>>536662259The husband does have a responsibility not to harm his wife, whatever his commands to her may be. You could argue that throat/anal penetration is harmful, especially without preparation and if she doesn't specifically ok it. There's a moral issue surrounding those types.But you could never really argue against manual stimulation or vaginal penetration. The first isn't harmful and the second, well, the vagina is literally custom-built and *designed* to take a penis, that is it's whole actual function.
>>536658589There is an obligation for sex both ways. A man owes his wife children and a woman owes her husband children. Thats why a marriage is not even official until it’s been consummated. And no, marital rape is not real. You cant steal your own car either. Its more of a domestic violence than rape, assuming it was violent.
>>536661373Per the law, it’s not. You might like to imagine it is but that’s not actually what the law is. >>536661555The vows are part of a religious ceremony. They’re not a release from criminal prosecution. The legal code sees women as agents with rights that can’t be violated and rape as a violation. It’s that simple. I’m not even saying it should be that way. I’m saying that’s how the law is written.
>>536658753>doesn't mean she consented to have sex with you whenever you wantYes, it did. That's one of the few reasons *I* consented to marry her. If she doesn't agree to that term, then I'm not agreeing to the entire contract and I'm not marrying her, end of discussion, walking away from the negotiating table. That's one of my hardline demands for marriage to even be up for discussion.Never forget, marriage is a contract, and it is perfectly acceptable for the man to levy demands in the negotiation, not just the woman. If you don't think "ongoing consent" is legally possible, go talk to the fucking armed forces.
>>536658589>(women) why men refusing to marry us?!?!
>>536658753can i withdraw consent to her using the house i paid for when i feel like being alone for the weekend?
>>536658589>This is a big debate in western countriesYou know I really doubt that.
>>536662855>per the lawThe civil law. The one that men are refusing to agree to in larger numbers than ever before. Because the civil law version is fucking bullshit.Under the religious law, it IS a stipulation that marital rape is oxymoronic and impossible. That's why religious marriages haven't really decreased. It's also driving more and more men to become Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox, which I'm sure just burns your secularist biscuits, but if you're wondering why, THAT is a big part of the reason why: because secularism is fucking ass and it doesn't benefit men to buy in and play along with the secularist system.
>>536658589if women don't have an obligation to provide for the needs of their husbands, then those husbands have no obligation to provide for the needs of those women
>>536658589if you have to ask, you're a birdshit skin
>>536658589Why even bother getting married?
>>536658589This is why you youngsters should never get married. There is zero upside. Your wife can refuse to fuck you and then when she’s ready, divorce you and take all of your shit.
>>536658589>Do women have an OBLIGATION to have sex with their husbands No and that's a part of the reason why i would prefer to stay not married.
>>536662443>Are you using porn as your reference?I never watch porn and thus can't refer to it - obviously unlike YOU.>In that case I'm sure your whore of a wife enjoys all the BBC while you sit and watch.Please stop revealing yourself and what kind of wife you have, it's extremely embarrassing.>Vile faggot.Post documentation for me being "vile" and "faggot".>>536662443Spouses have a responsibility not to harm each other and thus a responsibility to not marry without having informed about their offers and their boundaries.
Marriage is consent.
Tonite I will rape my wife to test this
Nope
>>536658589Theoretical marital rape is possible, as in I think its morally wrong to force yourself on your wife against her will.The problem is enforcement. If you allow the concept of marital rape to exist LEGALLY then you open up a whole can of worms. If you allow the concept to be valid on a legal basis, it means every husband has a sword of Damocles hovering over his head at all times. At any point, if his wife wants to be vindictive, she could claim rape. And there'd be nothing you can do to prove otherwise. How do you prove consent when its a relationship where you live and sleep together and the act of sex is implied in the relationship? So what, the first 1000 times you fucked, nobody bats an eye, but on the 1001th time she gets mad at you for whatever reason later and then claims rape? Are you supposed to sign and notorize consent forms every time?
>>536658589I feel very sorry for people that have to deal with this. My wife is basically free use, so this while idea of not getting sex from a wife is really crazy to me. Why would anyone get married if they weren't willing to have sex? You are supposed to care about your partners needs and want to make them happy.
>>536658589Finally a good time to post one of my favourites.
>>536660671Seethe more, you know I'm right. Try telling a judge what you did wasn't rape because "muh semitic holy book implies otherwise!"
>>536662569The bottom part here was for you:>536663509
>>536658589Yes. The ((law)) in the US is that a wife can charge her husband with rape. Literally, between that and no fault divorce, there is no benefit to a man getting married in this day and age.
>>536658753Then it’s not cheating if your husband sees a hookerThen you must remain faithful
>>536658968Divorced over 50% of the time and the rest are cucks in dead bed situation
>>536663630>Why would anyone get married if they weren't willing to have sex?Because secularism, Protestantism, and feminism have opened up the doors to questions of authority and consent into what they call "the marriage union" but isn't Scriptural and thus isn't real, sacramental marriage at all. They've bastardized it into an abomination that is essentially "the man plays by the old rules but the woman plays by whatever rules she feels like on any given day".To answer your question more directly: they wouldn't. Rather, men wouldn't. And, what do you know, secular marriage rates are at an almost all-time low. It's almost like men have wised up to the game and decided to walk away from the table. Weird.>You're supposed to care about your partners needs and wantsAnd they still do. In religious marriages. The secular version has just become a hidden way of seizing the man's assets while contributing as little effort as possible, just enough to con the man into staying until you've been in long enough to get a favorable divorce settlement. It's disgusting, and thank God more and more men are refusing to be hoodwinked.
Impossible
>>536663702Wouldn't go before a judge because I wouldn't get married civilly. I would never sign any state-enforced documents. As far as the state is concerned, my wife would be my lessee and all of our children would have her as a surrogate mother with unlimited unsupervised visitation rights.The arbitrator would be my priest, and he'd agree with me that what I do with my wife in the bedroom is between us and God, not some fucking lawyer or bureaucrat.
>>536663651Wish I had a wife to lovingly rape desu
>>536664126Your wife (more accurately, girlfriend) in that scenario could still press rape charges against you, dumbass
waiting til after marriage for sex is a trap cause what if she's a starfish or what if the husband is OP and a massive faggot?
>>536664306I don't think anyone actually does this. Waiting until marriage made sense back in the day when people got married when they were teenagers, so "saving yourself for marriage" only meant waiting a few years after puberty anyway
>>536664207Then it goes to court, where they demand that she prove it. Being entirely he-said, she-said, she would lose. And then I would evict her from my house and revoke her visitation rights over the children since, legally, I have sole authority over them, considering she signed surrogacy papers waiving her parental rights. The priest would excommunicate her from our parish since she is disobeying and disrespecting her rightful husband.She would lose EVERYTHING. Her entire life. And all of it would be entirely above board, legally speaking.Do you really think she would risk that, over "having a headache" when I just wanted my peter tickled for ten minutes? I think not. But she's welcome to try it.
>>536663096Are you retarded? Rape is a criminal violation. It has fuck all to do with civil code. And in America, neither civil law nor so-called religious law trump criminal law. The highest law in the land is civil rights, which grants women outsized protections, then criminal law, and which also grants them protections, and then civil law which also grants them protections. Religious law isn’t even a factor. If you rape your wife you can go to prison per the law. Period.
>>536661555Oh true it was giving consent for rape that makes sense
>>536664574Harvey Weinstein case proves your point wrong. He was convicted of rape despite it purely being her word vs his word. Every cheered on his demise because he's a disgusting ugly kike, but the underlying principle now is that rape is guilty until proven innocent.And even if you're not convicted after a rape accusation, you'll still be hung out to dry in the court of public opinion. Your life is over if a woman decides to fuck with you
>>536664783Are women property are not?They sure seem like the property of the government.You can't explain divorce laws and alimony other wise.
>>536664979>They sure seem like the property of the government.that's why you can be charged with raping your wife. because she isn't your property, she is the governments.
>>536658589The moment a woman starts claiming her husband's sexual advances are rape then the marriage is over. If she doesn't like having sex maybe she should leave and not be in a sexual relationship.
>>536658589ok but if this is the definition of rape, then most husbands rape their wives all the time, and their wives really dont want them to stop. When I sleep with my wife, I roll over and fuck her in the middle of the night. Does she always want me to? No. Sometimes she doesnt even want it, but do you think she wants me to stop? Fuck no! She would rather be married to a MAN who occassionally rapes her than some dud who wont roll over and fuck her.
>>536658589the law says yes, so if she won't have sex, your only option is to ditch her or accept you're a simp and probably a cuck
While it is true that God made man a wife to help him, and the wife should be supportive to guide him towards fulfillment.The Bible does not say that a wife is subservient to all of the husband's demands. If he is abusive and degrading the man has failed his obligation and is grounds for annulment.
>>536659930It's "I do" as in "I do want to spend my life with you", not "I do want you to fuck me even if it's against my will", retard brain.
>>536665093If it's government property then why would you marry her?She knows it You know it.WTF
>>536658753This is correct. Fpbp. Faggots seething about it are kissless virgins who will never feel the touch of a woman. You faggots do realize you’d get laid and find a partner if you weren’t such antisocial sperg lords right? Society is fucked and there’s a ton of shitty men and women out there. However there are also a lot of good men and women and none of them are spending any energy on pathetic self loathing faggots like all of you. You can’t be a broken, anti social, nihilistic piece of shit and then expect well adjusted people to like you. You can be a gay little fag blaming your problems on society all you want. Doesn’t change the fact that you’re solely responsible for building your own cage of misery.
>>536664783Who fucking cares what the criminal law says? A woman would need to file a claim, and then a court would need to investigate the claim. A religious wife would not file a rape claim because she would understand that marriage = ongoing consent, and even if she did, a court would not have sufficient evidence to prove that a husband had raped his wife apart from he said she said, which is NEVER enough to convict someone.So the criminal law says you can rape your wife. PROVE YOU DID IT, UNDER THE LAW. She can't. So it's not even a fucking concern. Grow up, kid.
>>536664881I don't know what your community looks like, but where I live, people like me. I have friends. If some bitch said I raped her, and I said I didn't, they'd take my side, not hers.If your friends would take her side over yours, you need to find new fucking friends. Harvey Weinstein lost because he has no friends, he's a fat, disgusting fucking kike.
>>536665355No, it's "I do take you as my husband and vow to obey you". I don't know what fucking vows you're taking, but if she isn't willing to obey me and submit to my authority, and swearing to do so in front of man and God, I ain't marrying her.
>>536658589>This is a big debate in western countriesThe debate was settled last year, the answer is women do not have the obligation to have sex with their husband, it’s already become the law in France.
>>536665782You don't know what you're talking about, even if you're speaking from a religious perspective, this has already been explained by another anon: >>536665335
>>536658589im more concerned that shit like this just leads to wamen claiming rape when she wasnt asked a direct question and didnt audibly say yes therefore rape
>>536665524Holy projection lmao.
rape is a property crime so no, it's an oxymoronOP is probably confusing it with battery, hence all the misplaced discussion about consent (battery is an unconsented touching)consent isn't relevant to property crimesif I consent you to you stealing my car then it's just a gift
>>536666207I struck a chord with you huh? Interesting.
>>536665524Well put
>>536663651A true classic in the canon of /pol/ lore.
>>536667018>Property crimeThis. Who owns her reproductive capability? If its not her husband then she can fuck whomever she pleases and marriage is meaningless.Oh, wait. We are here.
>>536658589I dunno, ask my wife. .... haha Hhahahhaha
>>536658589 Incel, why do you even ask? You're NEVER gonna get a wife anyway. You think women (along with other men, and children) can't perceive the opinion you have for females?That's also the reason why you don't have any friends that want to spend time with you.
>>536671680>Insult>Appeal to social status>Sex as the sole valuation metricShow tits woman.>flagEr, on second thought put those tube socks away.
>>536671680>You think women (along with other men, and children) can't perceive the opinion you have for females?They obviously can't, hence this behavior >>536671547.
>>536658589The only mistake is having a wife
>>536665524This kek. 99% of the people saying “I will never agree to marriage unless my wife agrees to fuck whenever I want” look like pic related and will never have sex
>>536658753Yes exactly you as a man are obligated to pay for your wife to exist in every way possible under the law, but your wife is NOT obligated to give you anything at all, not love not sex not money not caring for you if your actually sick etc, and if she cheats on you, you as the man are obligated to go to marriage counseling and "work it out" for her sake under the law and at the behest of "authorities". You don't even control the marriage, the government does, and the government is also in love with your wife.Fuck that. I'll marry a tranny before being a slave to a literal untouchable saint with a vagina.
>>536667047Hows he wrong though? You're projecting, If anything, your chord definitely got struck with that reply.
>>536671816>Truth is a behavior
>>536658753There’s no such thing as martial rape because the woman belongs to the man
>>536660355yeah i dont think that was in the Bible
>>536658589>>536658753>>536658785>>536658801Question: if a woman consents to sex, but then changes her mind mid-intercourse, how much time does the man have to pull his dick out before it becomes rape? Is it instantaneous, thus rape in all circumstances? Or does he have until the end of the current pump? Or is it whenever he acknowledges her withdrawal of consent that he becomes legally liable for continuing, so he can theoretically pretend not to hear? Sex is getting very complicated, I would imagine as a man these days you need several pages of contractual legalese signed and notarized before any sex could be considered legally "safe," but even then, it's hard to see any court not backing up a woman who has withdrawn consent even if it's in the middle of sex. Like, what if she orgasisms and is like "ok I'm done, I withdraw consent now, any further sex from this point forward is rape." The guy is just supposed to be like "oh ok, let me pull my dick out of you now, I guess we're done here?"
>>536673565faster than light but slower than royal succession
Now the real question is can a wife rape her husbandCoz thats what it feels like every ovulation cycle. There's no joy in sex, she's insatiable for my babyglop
Am I the only nigga whose wife wants to fuck way more than I do? I would honestly rather just sleep.
>>536660082>SexoI don't give a shit what is she talking about
>>536658589Lmao marital rape makes as much sense as stealing your own property.
>>536658753Lmao
>>536665335This.
