Food prices are already insane and they will only get worse over the next several years. The government is using food scarcity as a weapon. If you wish to survive, you MUST start growing some yourself. Some annuals are worthwhile, but you'll get the largest return on your investment of time and money from perennials. The economics of it are undeniable. Mature ice cream bananas produce upwards of 30 lbs of fruit per bunch. They are far better than the cavendish bananas you get at the store, to boot.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ElzalZjS4U
>>536695631Unfortunately I had to move back home and my mom is completely incompetent at gardening but insists on running it with an iron fist. I think we've harvested maybe 7 kg of produce in 20 years.We're gonna fucking starve.
>>536695992Austria is mostly zone 7. You should be stocking up on nut trees and berry shrubs/vines. You can perhaps convince her to plant them because they are lower cost and improve the value of the property.
>>536695631>Mature ice cream bananas produce upwards of 30 lbs of fruit per bunch. They are far better than the cavendish bananas you get at the store, to boot.if you live in a climate where bananas will grow without a greenhouse, you are NGMI when shtf
>>536696101Ice cream bananas grow from zones 8 to 11. That's the vast majority of the United States.
>>536695631fruts and vegetables are alot of work for minimal return. raising rabbits is way easier and healthier.
>>536696202You'll still need something to feed the rabbits. Growing plants is foundational to animal husbandry.
I always laugh at advice like this. Even if I successfully made a garden, it wouldn't produce nearly enough calories to sustain my family. Vegetables are so low calorie. Nutritious, of course, but not sustaining on their own...
>>536695992> 7 kg of produce in 20 years.wtf? jews and nature don't make a good mix.
>>536696157yea
>>536696257A single hazelnut tree produces enough calories in one season for a man to live an entire month with a 2500 Cal/day diet. The nuts last 6 months at room temperature, a year in the fridge and even longer in the freezer. A hazelnut tree costs 10 bucks.20 bucks now can reduce your food costs by 1/6th after a few years of growth.
>>536696252i feed them grass, its free
>>536696345I live in Zone 4 and got a wife and two kids.
>>536696422Many different perennials grow in zone 4.Ideally you want to aim for plants that survive zones 3 to 5 in case you have unseasonably cold/hot weather.Apples, prunus (plums and sour cherries, especially), pears, saskatoons, raspberries, blueberries, currants/gooseberries, honeyberries, elderberries, aronia, sea buckthorn, buffalo berry, hardy kiwis, grapes, strawberries and rhubarb all are good options.
>>536696551And what do I do about protein? I only have 1/3rd an acre.
>>536696713Hazelnuts survive zone 4
>>536696713rabbits and chickens.
>>536696804Rabbits are a good source of protein, but not fats.
>>536696157>zones 8-11 >vast majority of the United StatesLol. Whut? Buy an ad thirdie.
>>536696385Rabbits are for faggots. Hope you’re supplementing your protein.
>>536696834plants are a good source of vitamins but terrible source of fats and protein
>>536696202>>536696385>raising rabbits for sustenanceishygddt
>>536696869i am
>>536696896Hazelnuts are ~60% fat by weight.
>>536696904i have pigs also
>>536696969Unlike humans, pigs can eat unprocessed acorns.
>>536696914Oh, pallets covered in blood anon. Sup?
>>536696937animal fats are very important to brain development. plant fats make you a ṣoycuck
>>536697043At no point have I suggested not to raise livestock. I'm just saying you need to also grow their food yourself.
>>536696789Nuts are not an adequate source of protein unless you're a lanklet.>>536696804Idk sounds like a lot of work. I have to maintain all this shit while still working my normie job and keeping up with all the other daily bullshit all because society might collapse in my lifetime?
>>536697201Have you talked to your doctor about suicide?
>>536697201You can raise quails inside. Their eggs are quite good and they are like little single-serving chickens.It's also worth noting that chickens eat ticks.
>>536697326Iykyk.
With everyone in mass fear of food shortage, food will become more abundant and cheaper. I
>>536697490Abundant food leads to low prices?OH NO, HOW AWFUL.Strong men make good times.
>>536697201Either that or buying shit you can just toss in a cupboard for a year and forget about:>Chief beef bars>Lineage protein barsStuff like this can survive a decade or so>big white rice bags>powdered eggs>survival high energy bars>survival tabsHaving a water tank also would help a lot, I’ve had one for nearly two decades, cheap to install can hold lots of water
>>536697548Food rationing in the UK continued for a decade after WWII ended. Your diet will be much better if you grow stuff every year. On your third consecutive month of eating nothing but beans and rice, you would murder someone for a jar of gooseberry jam.
>>536696836That map's out of date now
>>536697541Its actually good
>>536697597Yeah you’re right, on that note I brought a book called the Independent Farmstead by Shawn and Beth Dougherty which apparently is quite good for beginners like me though I haven’t bothered to read it yet but I probably should now.
>>536697705The area is also a bit misleading, as land further from the equator are stretched due to how Mercator projection works. This is how big Texas is when scaled the same as more Northern states.
>>536697815The best time to plant is years ago. The next best time to plant is now.
>>536697907lands* [...] are stretchedMissed the s...
>>536695631>Food prices are already insaneNot really.
>>536701472When I was a kid, you could buy a steamed hotdog for 25 cents.
>>536695631too bad mayo can't grow their own food.
>>536701605>Eggs>Oil>VinegarNot difficult.
>>536701605We are the masters of farming nigger.
>>536701576And? That means and changes nothing.
>>536695631I can easily survive a week with 60$ of groceries here.
>>536695631how the fuck am I going to grow a fucking Banana tree in my geography? how many inputs do I need to get this mythical 30lbs of returns?
>>536701703Dude, we don't even have pennies anymore because inflation rendered them useless.
>>536701731Look up the hardiness zone of your area and plant things that grow in that climate. It's not that fucking hard.
>>536695631I cannot stand prepper religion.
>>536701783ok, now how much fertilizer and water do I need for this beast? Shit isn't just free.
>>536701736That still does not mean what you want it to mean. I think it is time to grow up.
>>536696202That's awesome, you keep rabbits imprisoned in a cage all day, makes sense since everyone here is a psycopath.
>>536701817>WaterRain>FertilizerCompost
>>536701880People in Canada are literally going into debt to afford food.
>>536695631>Food prices are already insaneWhat do you do for work that you're struggling to afford food? At any point have you considered doing more productive shit with your time than posting on 4chan all day if you don't know how you're going to stack together 50 bucks for next week's groceries?
>>536701984Oh well I guess you need universal government something then.If your government did not steal so much from you then you would have some padding to deal with inflation. But no cannot do that because that would have required forward thinking etc.
>>536702117No, bitching and moaning that the government should be giving him free shit is the actual solution.
>>536702117where is he going to get paid to be "productive?" some of the best jobs are literally doing nothing as well, so I reject your whole post.
>>536702117>If you don't work 80 hours a week, then you can't complain about food prices!Look at the fucking wages companies are offering, Anon.*Engineers* are being offered 60k maple pesos (~43k USD) in cities where a studio apartment costs upwards of 1600 CAD.
>>536702206>Mention in OP that the government is doing this on purpose>HURR DURR, YOU MUST WANT MORE GOVERNMENT!Fuck off.
>>536702308No leafs need to fuck off, you no longer have any place along side us. Just go away and worship indians some more.
>>536702266>where a studio apartment costs upwards of 1600 CAD.OMG why is it so expensive, we need the government to X.
>>536702352>You're complaining about low wages and high housing costs. That MUST mean you just LOVE the people who are deflating wages and inflating housing costs!You're a disingenuous retard.
I'll stick to my 50 dollars a week and do what I can with that.If I die then it wasn't a loss anyway so who cares.If they raise the price on canned tuna to 50 dollars a can then I won't be the only one starving and on top of that, I'm not picky where my food is from so you know.. Plenty of food walking around in the cities too.
>>536701886i butcher my own chickens too pussy. im gonna put you in a cage next
>>536701963>raini know many many homeateaders who failed miserably as soon as july came. their gardens died from no rain. water is the most important thing to secure.
>>536702822You can store rain water.
>>536702879for how long, do you need energy to move it so it doesn't stagnate?
>>536702260>where is he going to get paid to be "productive?"A lot of people get what's called a "job". >some of the best jobs are literally doing nothingWow, where do you get one of those? What do you search for on Indeed to find the jobs where they pay you to do nothing?>>536702266>work 80 hours a week,So you need to work 80 hours to come up with enough money for a week's worth of groceries, so you've become a subsistence farmer instead? Post pics of your food with timestamp.>*Engineers* are being offered 60k maple pesosWhat sort of engineering do you do? How much experience do you have in the field? >a studio apartment costs upwards of 1600 CAD.Post pics of your studio apartment with timestamp.
>>536703380you don't deal in the real world.don't @ me again, tardo.
>>536703380The thing with this meme is that he is correct, he does not care if they can do the job or not at a viable level. All he cares about is they will work for cheap, they will work 10 hours a day and they will never join a union.White western workers have become more trouble than they are worth, so even if these guys are retarded they have more value to them than you do.This is bad for you becasue the elites control everything. Including medical breakthroughs, you'll never get cause they no longer value your people.
>>536703380>your argument isn't valid unless you dox yourself!!!!Fuck off
>>536703525That's a fascinating business model for an engineering firm. Just hire a bunch of 60IQ stone age cannibals, pay them really cheap and it's like an infinite free money glitch. No wonder the west is importing so many African savages.
>>536702879yeah thats what they thought. i have a 2500gal tank and can water my garden twice with it.
>>536703895>>your argument isn't valid unless you dox yourself!!!!Surely you can post pics with timestamp to back up any of the shit you claim here without giving up your name and address.
>>536704128You can look up rent and food prices in Canada yourself. I'm not going to take any pictures for you, you disingenuous cunt. Life has objectively become unaffordable here with no signs of improving in the near future.
>>536704128
>>536704479OK, get back to whatever LARP it is you do here every day. I won't upset your little party any more by asking for you to prove your claims or give any tangible real-world examples of anything.
>>536704920Good riddance.
>>536696713it is literally the last thing you ever need to worry about. it is the least important macronutrient of the three. it is only used for repair of tissues, growing hair and fingernails, etc. excess is not stored, or we would all look like roidfags. every single thing you eat has protein in it. you do not need to chase after it, strategically combine it with other foods to get your magic protein combo, it is a non issue. the only reason you think it is, is because companies make zillions on selling you shit you don't need, which doesn't help you, that makes you sick.people like toe rogan sell supplements and protein, and talk about diet all day, but their secret is INJECTING THEMSELVES WITH DRUGS EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY. it's not the protein, not the diet, not le supplement stack, it's DRUGS.papua new guinea highlanders eat a diet of 90% sweet potatoes and leaves, for a diet which has 3% of its calories from protein. most americans get more than double the rda every single day.short versionhttps://youtu.be/Uui23NmEF7Mlong versionhttps://youtu.be/_KvyAylxBkQprotein is an industry. if you search around, you will see that a few big companies run it all, and it's usually horribly contaminated with toxic metals like cadmium, lead and mercury, which explains a lot of gymfags.https://www.consumerreports.org/dietary-supplements/heavy-metals-in-protein-supplements/you need calories to live. energy. you don't get it from protein. you can eat an entire hutch of rabbits and still starve to death. for energy, you need carbohydrate or fat.
>>536696896you don't need fat if you have carbs, the other source of energyplants have enough fats in them for human needs, even grain like oats and wheat. same goes for proteinbeans have about as much protein as pork as a percentage of calories.in wwi denmark essentially went vegetarian as a national strategy, as they knew there was no such thing as protein deficiency, and that low protein diets brought with them health and longevity. even viljamur steffanson said that the carnivore diet ages you prematurely, and he's right. high protein diet causes you to release igf-1, a growth hormone, which causing premature aging and cancer, along with slightly improved muscle growth. it's akin to removing the air filter from your car for the slight hp gain, oblivious of the damage that all that dirt and debris will cause in the engine.https://www.drmcdougall.com/education/information/lessons-from-the-past-directions-for-the-future-the-wwi-starch-solution-for-denmark/>What were the results of this change in diet for the 3 million people living in Denmark? During the years of the most severe food restriction, 1917 to 1918, the death rate was reduced by 34%, which translated into 6,300 lives saved. These were the lowest death rates ever reported for Denmark, even for those years prior to the war. Dr. Hindhede tied this reduction in mortality directly to a diet based on consuming starches in place of meat: “This result was not a surprising one to me. Since 1885, when I began my experiments with a low-protein diet (mostly vegetarian), I have been convinced that better physical conditions resulted from this standard of living…As the result of extensive studies in this field I am convinced that over-nutrition, the result of palatable meat dishes, is one of the most common causes of disease.” the only real benefit to eating lean meat besides b12 is the yum yum in your mouth
>>536696157The vast majority of Europeans bananas are grown on Iceland.You can grow bananas in Canada.The Russians were growing orange trees in Siberia 200 years ago, like growing the trees in a trench and covering the top with a piece of glass in the winter time.You can grow anything if you're creative enough
>>536706901B12 deficiency is a very bad way to die, though.
>>536707056Yes, though this thread is primarily about reducing costs, so things that require minimal input in your climate are the main focus.
>>536695631Me and my neighbour have fig trees and he, and many of my other neighbours from down the block, have plum treesshit's nice and surprisingly low maintenancegood eats for crow bros too, the bastards pick at all the extremely sweet ones before any of us can harvest them
>>536697597i've eaten simple whole starches or refined carbs every day for almost 6 years nowif you actually ate those things you would know you don't get sick of them. i generally don't eat beans very much because i want low protein for medical conditions which partly arose from eating too much meat and fat.almost the entire population of the planet subsists on a diet of 80-90% starch, and that starch from a single source. and rice can be made to taste like whatever you put on it. it goes really well with sweet stuff like fruit too.but all of the whole starches are cheap and good for you. oats are super cheap. so have them for breakfast, rice for dinner, there's also peas, all kinds of things. canada was built on pea soup and oatmeal.
>>536707371Figs are so fucking good. It's just a bit too cold where I'm at to reliably grow them. Planted a cherry tree this year, though. My collection of plants is getting large enough that I have trouble remembering them all off the top of my head. Best jams in the neighbourhood and they get better every year.
>>536707517I'm in the opposite boat. I had to cut out most starches. I mostly eat meat, dairy and fruit. There is no "one size fits all" diet.
>>536702724How many people have you murdered so far and do you have children in your basement?
>>536707174Replacing every border on your property with berry bushes it's about the greatest thing you can do. A couple of wasted afternoon one spring is investment into a fruit Haven. I have a rather suburban property, 1950s sized lot, I have six blueberries , six raspberry two buck sea thorn, one arctic kiwi, and strawberries in a gutter box (~34 '). Next year the serviceberry and hazelnuts go in the front yard.
>>536707672>Only one kiwiActinidia Arguta will produce a lot more if you have a male plant nearby.
>>536707093easily countered with b12 supplements that cost 10 bucks for 2 years supply. one tablet gives you 1000x the rdaclinical b12 deficiency is super rare, and normally only seen in people with bariatric surgery or bowel resections like from an accident. they don't absorb it from the food. it also takes about 20 years to run out of b12 from the time you stop taking any in.this is just a boogeyman, not a real concern for most people, unless you have some disorder like pernicious anemia, which affects even meat eaters, in which case they just supplement more often. https://www.drmcdougall.com/education/information/vitamin-b12-deficiency-the-meat-eaters-last-stand/
>>536707545>Figs are so fucking good.They really are.>too coldDamn, that's a shame. I'll make sure to enjoy them in your honour. >cherry treeI've been thinking about this, but mainly for the crow bros. >Best jams in the neighbourhood and they get better every year.There really is something about a random ass neighbour knocking on your door to give you some fruits/jam they made unprompted. I give those guys my best harvests of figs in return.
>>536707730Yeah, but they grow like crazy and it's grown g grow faster than me building the structure. It's supposed to be attached to.Here is my Loganberry climbing on the cage for the kiwi/strawberry/kiwi. Yeah, it was a mess in that photo I know
>>536707620but there is a one size fits almost everyone alive, up to 99%that is the diet that almost everyone in the world eats. it's the diet that 99% of humanity that has ever livedidk why you cut out starches, but you do youthat diet is going to fuck you up, btdt
>>536708276I was on the verge of death before changing my diet. It was a "put the lime in the coconut" situation.Every time I went to the doctor, they told me to eat more of the foods that I can't process. I did the opposite and suddenly my health improved massively.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsSuueEGQSM
>>536708143Right?It's what makes having neighbours worthwhile.We're all in this shitshow together.>>536708269The rubus family is ridiculously hardy. I'm at the point where I'm going to start gifting raspberry saplings to people.
>>536706901>you don't need fat if you have carbsanimal fats and protiens are very important for a childs development. i know, ive seen first hand what people who live on rice and beans. very poor cognitively i onky read your first sentence and reaponded, im just not gonna read your wall of text you had to type to make your point. sorry
>>536702424You're taking to a jew.
>>536708381>Starch intolerance, often linked to congenital sucrase-isomaltase deficiency (CSID), is a rare genetic condition with a prevalence of approximately 1 in 5,000 individuals of European descent. However, it is significantly more common in specific populations, affecting up to 1 in 10 individuals in native populations of Canada, Alaska, and Greenland. The condition is also more prevalent in North America than in Europe. Among adults with chronic diarrhea of unknown origin, 1 in 1,000 is likely to have some degree of CSID, and between 2% and 9% of the general US population are carriers of the genetic abnormality, some of whom may experience symptoms.i'm sorry you have to go through this, sounds horrible. i have a heritable disorder too.but that aside, you would have to agree that for almost everyone alive it's a good bet, as well as cheap and eminently doable. and none of this changes the fact that protein does not give you energy. so advising people to focus on protein as some sort of survival plan is idiotic, which is the main point of all my posts. not that you are doing that, i just want to drive the point home. every one of your threads is gangraped by shills and /fit/fags dropping one liners about hurrdurr protein. i'm not here to convert people to my diet, just saying that it's not only cheap, within reach, but super healthy for almost everyone alive. if sensible people are armed with facts instead of bonehead narratives and macho posturing, then maybe they will survive.
>>536709665>animal fats and protiens are very important for a childs development.not true, unless you are talking about breast milk, which is 5% protein by calorie, the rest is sugar and fatsouth korea and japan have the highest iqs in the world with some of the lowest meat consumption.iq is mostly genetic, we know this from twin studies. malnutrition can cause low iq as well, but then we would see a nation of retarded japs instead of super smart ones if a diet low in animal protein caused this.>very poor cognitivelybut wait there's more!>im just not gonna read pootery
>>536709801That's not what I have (I can eat SOME starches, but only in small amounts).
>>536710099checkthen what is it? which ones can you eat? which ones cause trouble? this is really bizarre to mei've never heard of a person who can eat some starch, but will die if they eat too much
>>536710645I would rather not discuss it with any more specificity.
>>536710026korea and japan include meat in their diets you fucking retard. they eat alot of fish which is one of the best animal fats and protiens. i spend 2 years in nicaragua and would eat nothing but pinta gallo and tortillas for weeks at a time. you can survive without animal fats and protiens but not thrive. you have no real world experience with this, you just believe what professor noseberg told you
>>536710774They also eat a LOT of eggs. Tamago kake gohan is one of the main ways they eat rice.
>>536710733that's fine i respect thatbut please also respect that you are a statistical anomaly and most people should not plan their lives around your personal issuesa diet high in fat and meat is a fast way to a slow death. i have heart failure and a calcified aorta, and lots of other calcified joints and bone spurs, fatty liver, all in my mid 40s from keto and carnivore. it's not good.
>>536710816their egg consumption is high, but their overall animal protein intake is much lower than north americayou cannot attribute their high iq to egg consumption, or high animal food consumptiontheir animal food intake rose dramatically after the us occupation as western diets were introduced. so even this level of consumption is a new thing, relatively speakingsome ai on this>Japan consumes significantly less meat per capita than both the United States and Canada, with an annual intake of approximately 60.42 kg compared to 122.80 kg in the U.S. and 90.96 kg in Canada. >While the U.S. and Canada rely heavily on beef and poultry, Japan’s protein sources are more diverse, with a notable emphasis on fish and seafood. >Key differences in dietary composition include:>Protein Sources: Japan’s diet features higher intake of basedbeans and seafood, whereas the U.S. consumes significantly more beef (396% higher relative to Japan’s baseline) and saturated fats. >Plant-Based Trends: Although Japan imports substantial plant-based protein ingredients, the domestic market for meat substitutes remains less developed than in North America, with consumers prioritizing "meat-like" taste over high-protein claims. >Health Implications: Studies indicate that the Japanese diet’s lower saturated fat and higher EPA/DHA (from fish) content correlates with different health outcomes compared to the U.S. diet, including lower obesity rates among certain demographics.
>>536695631https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l04dn8Msm-Y
>>536711471>some ai on thislmao, ai mostly just scrapes reddit for shit like this. reddit is almost always ai's top source
>>536711831https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/meat-consumption-by-countryscraped from here
>>536696345I'm allergic and who wants to eat hazelnuts all month
>>536697043>plant fats make you a ṣoycuckmidwit take
>>536712429They last 6 months at room temperature, Anon. A year if you refrigerate them.1/12th of your daily Calories (assuming 2.5k per day) is 208 Calories. You get that much from ~33 grams of hazelnuts.
>>536695631Fuck bananas. Grow whatever nut trees your climate allows.
>>536713514Hazelnuts grow in zones 4 to 8 and mature very fast for nut trees.
>>536703925You're joking, but that is actually the case.These companies look like free money glitches on paper, which is all the shareholder class cares about. They print quarterly reports that make line go up. If line go up, then it must be a good business strategy.Nearly the entire world's economy is just smoke and mirrors at this point. Thrilling, isn't it?
>>536715914>UHM SOURCE?????This shit is actually infuriating. They shouldn't be in our countries at all.
>>536716303Agreed.But it's important to know why they're here in the first place.Which is only because they make line go up. And only in the short term. After the "work" they do gets put into practice, it becomes apparent that it is extremely low quality. And line goes down. Usually.Dumb investors get left holding the bag. Smart investors (read: insider traders) ride the ups and downs and fleece the entire populace.Don't blame the dog for shitting on the carpet, blame the dumbass who locked him in the house.
>>536695631>grow>foodPick one.
