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I think I have a model to fix the tax system for all Western countries.
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>>536703133
Twin-Flat-Tax (TFT):
25% income tax.
25% consumption tax at the final point of sale for all goods and services.
Discretionary opt-in / opt-out tax for select policies/projects on a case-by-case basis.

Tax-free threshold of 25%.
Maximum income tax payment of $250,000 per full-time equivalent (FTE) worker.
Income tax paid by the employer, not the employee.
Only those who pay into the opt-in / opt-out tax are allowed to benefit from it. Pay-to-play.

Levying the income tax, consumption tax, and the tax-free threshold over 25% is banned.
Levying the income tax, consumption tax, and the tax-free threshold at separate rates is banned.
Levying the maximum income tax payment above $250,000 is banned.
Any other government duties, fees, charges, and/or taxes are banned.
All tax concessions are banned.

The income tax rate, consumption tax rate, tax-free threshold, and maximum income tax payment are symmetrically linked; modifying any one metric without a proportional, simultaneous adjustment of the others is a constitutional violation.
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>>536703154
The discretionary opt-in / opt-out tax does not cover infrastructure, emergency services, national defence, health, education, ecological management, judiciary, etc.

Core sovereignty tax base is a fixed pool of non-excludable public goods.
Civic evolution tax base is an opt-in / opt-out pool of excludable public goods.

The pay-to-play mechanism reserves the civic evolution tax pool for excludable projects. If technology can gatekeep the benefit, it doesn't receive core tax funding.
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>>536703192
Since all tax concessions are banned, legally define the tax-free threshold as a structural baseline definition of income, not a tax concession. Designate the first 25% as non-income, defining the legal tax base for the 25% income tax as 75% of total gross compensation.

If employers pay the income tax, they will lower the advertised salaries of employees to cover it. Therefore, legally define all employment contracts by total labour cost (TLC) for complete transparency. When a company hires someone, the contract lists the TLC. The payroll system automatically splits this TLC: 25% goes to the state, and 75% goes to the employee. And when the employer pays the income tax rather than the employee, the company takes its total payroll expenses, subtracts the taxed percentage, and sends it to the government.

Defining the tax-free threshold as a percentage-based structural definition, rather than a fixed dollar amount, prevents bracket creep and shifting definitions of deductions to secretly raise taxes or reward favoured industries. In this case you cannot adjust a dollar threshold for inflation, because the threshold is a hard-coded percentage of production.


A percentage-based tax-free threshold instead of a fixed dollar threshold eliminates the need for tracking individual citizens' employment status.

Fixed dollar model: An employee works multiple jobs; the state needs to monitor them to ensure they didn’t claim the tax-free threshold multiple times.

Fixed percentage model: It doesn't matter if a person has any number of jobs. Every company pays the same amount of tax on every dollar they pay out. Tracking, identity linking, etc. are not required.
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>>536703229
Italy's latest annual figures:

Nominal GDP: ~€2.10 Trillion

Total Labor Compensation (TLC Base): ~€950 Billion (Historically labor compensation sits at ~45-51% of GDP in Italy).

Total Final Consumption (Household + Gov): ~€1.60 Trillion (Italians consume a massive share of their output).

Current Government Revenue: ~€980 Billion (Roughly 47% of GDP, heavily reliant on high progressive income taxes and a standard 22% VAT).


A. Income Tax Revenue

Rule: 25% tax rate applied to a taxable base defined as 75% of Total Labor Cost (TLC). The first 25% is legally non-income.

Effective Rate: $0.25 \times 0.75 = 18.75\%$ flat rate across the economy.

Calculation: Income tax revenue = 950 billion X 18.75% = 178.1 billion


B. Consumption Tax Revenue

Rule: 25% flat tax on the final point of sale for all goods and services. No exemptions, no concessions (banning the current reduced 4%, 5%, and 10% VAT rates on food/utilities).

Calculation: 1.6 trillion x 25% = 400 billion


Total Generated Revenue

Income Tax: €178.1 Billion

Consumption Tax: €400.0 Billion

Total Revenue: €578.1 Billion
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>>536703265
Current Italian Spending: €1.02 Trillion
TFT Generated Revenue: €578 Billion
The Funding Gap: €442 Billion

Conservative spending cut estimate:
Tax evasion reduced by 50 billion.
Formalizing the shadow economy via Total Labour Cost (TLC) contracts: 20 billion
Healthcare reduced by 30 billion.
Bureaucracy reduced by 80 billion.
Renewable energy subsidies reduced by 15 billion.
Tax credits to businesses for the "Transizione 4.0/5.0 scheme": 30 billion
Home renovation tax credits: 20 billion
Welfare to immigrants: 25 billion (extremely conservative)
Regional development (Fondo per lo Sviluppo e la Coesione): 5 billion
State media: 5 billion
Education (move most tertiary learning to decentralized, open-source digital curriculum paired with on-the-job corporate apprenticeships): 20
Debt reduced by 50 billion (announce that Italy will only service a fixed portion of its debt, forcing bond holders to accept longer maturities or lower yields).

Remaining gap to Target: €92B


Domestic population receives more tax-home pay, increasing liquidity, most likely feeding into consumption.
Increasing consumption tax revenue by 20 billion.

New corporate relocations (due to the new tax system and other changes alike) could add 3 million new, high-skilled formal jobs to the economy at an average TLC of €55,000 per employee.
3,000,000 workers x €55,000 = 165 billion new TLC base.
New income tax revenue = 165 billion x 18.75% = 30 billion.
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I used Italy as an example because it's tax structure, spending, and entire bureaucracy is possibly the worst in the world.
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>>536703300
Unreported corporate-to-corporate (B2B) and corporate-to-consumer transactions. Without tax concessions/deductions/exemptions, businesses can no longer manipulate their accounting books or use fake expense deductions to lower their tax liability. Furthermore, because every worker's contract is natively split by the payroll software, cash-in-hand collusion becomes mechanically impossible for registered businesses.
Added revenue: 20 billion

Remaining gap to Target: €72B
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>>536703133
>I think I have a model to fix the tax system for all Western countries.
Let me guess, under your "system" some other poor asshole pays and you get to have nice things for free?
I've been a municipal tax collector for a couple years now, so I hear it from literally every resident, all ages, and all walks of life. Every single person bitching has this same basic idea.
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>>536704268
Without my system, sole traders and freelancers heavily under-report income to stay under artificial tax thresholds or avoid complex accounting costs. The TFT completely legalizes individual tax anonymity (no personal tracking) and bans all deductions. A self-employed Italian simply processes their incoming billing; the banking platform/POS software natively routes 18.75% of their production to the state as the baseline definition of non-income labor tax.
According to the data: 117 billion x 18.75% = 22 billion
Call it another (conservative) 15 billion.

Remaining gap to Target: €57B
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>>536704522
>Let me guess, under your "system" some other poor asshole pays and you get to have nice things for free?
Uh, no.
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Cicero was cool
Caligula was based too you probably think he sucked but he was more relatable to millenials and zoomies than any other emperor
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>>536704531
Most of my estimates are generously conservative. I think the true final figure is basically equalized.

And it doesn't include new businesses setting up shop in what's effectively become a new tax haven, could add 3+ million jobs averaging 60k euros per year at least. Then there's increased spending.
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>>536704745
Most of them were decent except for the judeo-sandnigger severans and other assorted niggers.
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>>536703133
Just default on the debt….or delete the endebted countries….
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>>536703154
>paying taxes
pfftttt
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>>536704559
OK, give me a QRD with some real numbers, how much are (You) paying in taxes now and how much will (You) be paying under your new proposed method?
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>>536704948
typical slav response

dat y u liv wif busted cuntry n potholes everywher
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>>536704941
Sure, just to fuck the big banks, but only after establishing a massive national savings account / asset base.

Could also take have a massive multi-trillion loan from the big cunts at an extremely low rate paid over and excetionally long term, use the money for lots of cool shit, pay back a bit and they just default.
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>>536703133
Eye for eye is the final solution
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>>536705175
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>>536705028
better slav than slave if you catch my drift
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>>536704995
Add taxes / fees etc just to live in this country with my job, I basically pay around 50% of everything I make.

If applying my new model, I'd pay a maximum of 30% in total. And it would delete most if not all the bullshit related to paying for 'things' like car registration and all that other nonsense.
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>>536705241
wise words
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>>536705175
No. It would need to be an eye for all of their eyes.
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>>536703154
So
>FIAT System
>Taxes
Taxes don’t make sense in FIAT, they just kept it from the old-world system where you couldn’t invent money to fuck with us. How about:
> No taxes
> Gov needs money for Gov?
> President writes nice letter to Central bank, pls give billion dollar
> Central Bank calculates inflationary impact, approves or declines, types in number, hits enter
>Bank reserve quote increased from 10% (or zero right now kek) to 100%-minus inflationary target
> Bank needs money for liquidity ? Write nice letter
> Scientist needs money? Write nice letter
Inb4
>Central beaucrates decide what gets funded??? But that sounds like Communism
Good morning
> but they can still inflate the currency
No taxes means you can trade in any currency you like and even banter. There is no reason to have one currency. You just need to ensure metals can be bought with the currency, then noone has a reason not to accept it
Gov fucks itself over if they spend to much, not the people
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>>536705271
>I basically pay around 50% of everything I make.
Not asking for percentage, I'm asking for an actual figure. But I'll accept your concession. Just a lot of words for "some other poor asshole should be paying".
Again, I'm a municipal tax collector so every day I'm in the office I hear people of all ages, all incomes, and all walks of life tell me what boils down to the same thing.
Believe it or not literally nobody has ever come in saying "You know what would be a better tax system? If I were to have to pay more taxes!" I've never got a tip, nor anybody said "Keep the change", nor "here's an extra thousand."
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>>536704559
bro, you lowered taxes and cut spending, by definition, yes. Even if you increase taxes, by definition yes. Here you want to cut housing renovations. That means you want workers to live in renovated houses for free. Either that, or you expect to pay for those houses yourself by paying your workers a higher salary. Obviously you're not saying Italy should just have shit housing are you? Welcome to what taxes are bro.
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>>536705513
so, you want my layout on how to run the banks too? It's one topic at a time.
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>>536705616
There's more that's just the first thing I noticed, btw. I barely read through it, and immediately said to myself oh wow, he just wants businesses to a higher salary to workers while entire new corporations step in and raise the price of basic cost of living to cover crumbling government services.
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>>536705616
>Here you want to cut housing renovations.
In the case of Italy, it's not like whatever it is in America. Those funds go to dressed up money laundering in Italy.

>That means you want workers to live in renovated houses for free.
Obviously not. But tenting isn't so bad.

>Either that, or you expect to pay for those houses yourself by paying your workers a higher salary.
Wow, higher salaries enabled by lower taxes and increasing spending.

You made such an American response. The AI said my model would meet quite a bit of friction in the US.
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>>536705722
fuck you, cunt

read it properly next time

bitch
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>>536705696
Post it if you want, we are just brainstorming here
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>>536706142
Banks offer the services of:
1. Money/asset storage/security.
2. Intermediation.
3. Lending.

State-owned and run banks, or private banks contracted to the state, whereby all employees are provided a salary for conducting bank service(s)

Charging interest is banned under the death penalty.
Loans need to be issued in the same ratio to their reserves.
Banks may need to charge a universal fee to cover their operating costs like any other private business, which would be miniscule per customer.

Alternatively, nationalize all the banks, factor their operating costs into taxes, then you have a series of state banks distributing interest free money.

America has a state-owned bank called the Bank of North Dakota that sends profits to infrastructure projects, it was founded in 1919 and has never faced a bail out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_North_Dakota

Increase decentralization and reduce centralization.
Decentralization doesn't remove risk; It only lowers it while investments tend to be more restrained by local lines.

Increase the number of small, local not-for-profit community banks who provide services to SMEs.
These small banks also need to be prevented from getting too big, or else they'll be bought up by the larger banks and disappear.
There should be no less than 1000 small banks holding 80% of deposits and no more than 10 large banks holding 20% of deposits.

cont'd
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>>536706859
Nationalize and/or kill the central bank.

Either integrate the Treasury into the Executive or make the Treasury the 4th branch of government (if not a de facto part of the Executive) with 3 powers:
1. Manage the money supply.
2. Administrate foreign capital in and out of our market according to trade treaties.
3. Control the exchange rate between the fiat currency and a select cryptocurrency that's specifically exchangeable for the national currency.

Senate/Parliament/Congress, or the executive branch alone, makes the annual budget and collects tax revenue.
Any budget shortfall/deficit is covered by debt-free money issued direct by the Treasury.
The state issues debt-free currency, pegged to a reliable economic index in the form of commonly used and weighted commodities, which is distributed by an array of state banks.

Issue credit up to 1 trillion dollars at any given time, but only for production, all of it from factories to forestry and scientific research.
Industrialists who come forward to do things right get 0% interest, but bankers, speculators, financial services can go take their chances in the free market.


But I don't know. Haven't thought it through.
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>>536703133
i have a better tax policy
(1) abolish womens rights
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>>536707066
For White women. Could import non-White females, have them work, tax them, and siphon the funds into paying White women to breed.
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>>536704522
>Let me guess, under your "system" some other poor asshole pays and you get to have nice things for free?
>I've been a municipal tax collector for a couple years now, so I hear it from literally every resident, all ages, and all walks of life. Every single person bitching has this same basic idea.
this is why tax collectors and prostitutes go to heaven before clergy and married women. the tax collectors and prostitutes can possibly put their self interest aside and consider what fairness means, while the clergy and married women by the nature of their office are required to be hateful liars forever
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>>536705271
yeah an important reason taxes are 60%, your mortgage payment is 30%, your child support payment is 30%, is to reduce demand, thereby avoiding inflation
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>>536707472
I don't own a house or have kids.
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clearer version

Spending cut reductions (conservative estimates) -

Bureaucracy: 80 billion
Tax evasion: 50 billion
Healthcare: 30 billion
Welfare to immigrants: 25 billion (extremely conservative)
Tax credits to businesses for the "Transizione 4.0/5.0 scheme": 30 billion
Home renovation tax credits: 20 billion
Education (move most tertiary learning to decentralized, open-source digital curriculum paired with on-the-job apprenticeships): 20 billion
Renewable energy subsidies: 15 billion
Regional development (Fondo per lo Sviluppo e la Coesione): 5 billion
State media: 5 billion

Formalize shadow economy via total labour cost (TLC) contracts: 20 billion

Unreported corporate-to-corporate and corporate-to-consumer transactions. Without tax concessions/deductions/exemptions, businesses can no longer manipulate their accounting books or use fake expense deductions to lower their tax. Furthermore, because every worker's contract is natively split by the payroll software, cash-in-hand collusion becomes mechanically impossible for registered businesses.
Added revenue: 20 billion

Without my system, sole traders and freelancers heavily under-report income to stay under artificial tax thresholds or avoid complex accounting costs. The TFT completely legalizes individual tax anonymity (no personal tracking) and bans all deductions. A self-employed Italian simply processes their incoming billing; the banking platform/POS software natively routes 18.75% of their production to the state as the baseline definition of non-income labor tax.
According to the data: 117 billion x 18.75% = 22 billion
Call it another (conservative) 15 billion.

Debt payments: 50 billion annually (announce that Italy will only service a fixed portion of its debt, forcing bond holders to accept longer maturities or lower yields).

€385B in spending cuts.
Remaining gap to Target: €57B
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bump
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>>536703154
>persona taxes
Pass.
My sovereign capital theory for Canada projects that in 25 years after adaption all retirements would be self sustaining within the system. After 30 years, Canada would have a military three times the size of America, at no cost to the citizen.
At 100 years the principal would 100 trillion dollars. I could fund a high-speed railway from the tip of South America all the way up to North America across the Bering Street across Russia across Europe across Gibraltar down through Africa without touching the principal and without costing a citizen one shiny cent. All with returns from investments.



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