Friendly reminder that chinks push anti-datacenter shit in the West while spending hundreds of billions to build them in China. Same as they spent decades pushing eco shit in the West while burning more coal than the rest of the world combined. This is just how it works with yellow jews.
>you have to poison your waters and pay 10x more for electricity to create a zog surveillance state or muh chinerlmao
>>536704190Why is China spending 2 trillion yuan to do that?
>>536704219who cares? fuck your data centers kike
>>536704040Don't forget the Mangioni part. They suddenly claim anyone who doesnt like them is left wing and anyone who likes them is right wing
>>536704190>china>caring about pollution>caring about doing more surveillance >pretending the government pays for their powerLolLmao, even
not my problem. total technofaggot death.
>>536704432yeah>china is polluting it's environment to create a surveillance state?>well golly we must do that too! can't lose to china in pollution and state surveillance!LOLLMAOEVENKILL YOURSELF KIKE EVEN
>>536704361you care
>>536704535see how much you care?
>>536704571>>536704591is that all you got kike? if you try to build these nigger centers people will drone them
>>536704663look how much you care lmao
>>536704768you hear that? that's a drone heading towards your nigger center lmao
>>536704841lunch special?
>>536704040You didn't seem bothered with your pedo government cutting green energy investments while China became the global leader in solar and wind.>while burning more coal than the rest of the world combinedYeah, because it's the most populous country where we sent all our manufacturing jobs. Fucking dumb nigger.
>>536704987>You didn't seem bothered with your pedo government cutting green energy investmentsWhy would I be bothered by that dumb chink?>China became the global leader in solar and wind.lol, lmao
>Reading kikehedge
>>536704040It would be so simple: stop buying shit from China.Produce your own shit.
The difference is that Chinese citizens benefit from AI, if all their jobs are automated the government will allow them to profitshare from AI because they are communists.In the west, when AI makes you economically nonviable, they just kill you.
Chinese leaders > evil parasite jew leaders
>>536705460>Chinese citizens benefit from AIlmao, AHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>536704040>>536704219>>536704373>BloombergAs in your last 1000 MUTTIDF threads, post a real source muttoid
>>536704219>According to>Citing people familiar with the matter >Totally a real tech race between bejing and WashingtonNobody takes zero hedge seriously and it's obvious that Kevin oleary isn't paying his shills enough Kevin reaching out to meme journalist that he thinks captures the right wing eye just comes off as desperate. I'm sure that zero hedge is in contact with special reports from bloomberg and people familiar with the matter.
>>536705885thanks for the bump
>>536705913What if it was true though? Would that be a massive fuck up by Xi?
>>536705958What if aliens came down to fuck our assholes though, we should surgically sow them shut or else we get penetrated.
>>536704219They'll give it away for free and destroy the wests for profit model's.
We just have to beat China, okay???
>>536704040Cool. So it should be easy for you to explain why I should pay higher utilities and face job loss from this tech. Right? Should be easy to tell me all the benefits. Let's hear it, how will AI datacenters help me?
>>536705929You lost, tranny.
>>536704040Allegedly, everything is suspect these days. You're a dumbass to not suspect this.
>>536706075Why do you immediately start thinking about anal sex?>>536706133How does that benefit them?>>536706160Should?
>>536705958The alien shit is real bro there is reports on it. I'm worried you're thinking too much about data centers. You need to sow your anus shut. I'm hearing reports out of credible news sources from friends I'm familiar with that tons of Asians are sowing their anus closed. You don't wanna be the guy who gets fucked do you? Thoughts??
>>536704040>surveillance>military, and industrial >This is the new world we are entering >new world Where have I heard this before? I wonder if it’s the jews, and their pet Freemasons?
>>536704219Isn't it obvious? they are wasting money they have on a fairy tale to fuck with us and make us borrow money to compete with them.They are using Ronald Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative arms race strategy. It's genius.
Just yesterday we had a dat center psyopie
>>536705078>kikehedgeAre you fucken retarded meme flag shill? Zerohedge is one of the most based sites on the net. Read the comments you lil faggot and say that again
>>536704219How much did they spend on Covid theatre that was broadcast here to scare our people?
>>536706346Sounds more stupid than genius, but whatever.
>>536706271>Should?what is unclear about the question?
>>536706471Remember when China made a big deal about opening up when the rest of the world was on lockdown? Remember them bragging about how it proved they had beaten Covid unlike the decadent West. Remember when Xi went back to lockdowns and "Covid zero policy" when everyone else was opening up?
>>536704040Sounds like a jew psy-op to get people to support data center spending here.
>>536704040I like how /pol/tards have no clue about tech (or anything at all) but will always come up with these retarded conspirancy theories about other countriesmeanwhile, the US is getting its shit kicked in the middle east, and you say nothingit's like confessing to being shills...
>>536706528The "should" part.>>536706658Good on Xi for spending 2 trillion to do that I guess.>>536706660Lmao, you're funny.
>>536706579A lot of the country didn’t open up, and followed China. I think you’re making my point for me.
>>536706767He's not spending shit, jews are just claiming he's going to spend it. You're too low IQ to be here, and that's saying something.
>>536706775Covid zero policy was a great idea by Xi wasn't it?>>536706871lol
>>536706767You kikes are so easy to spot with your pilpul turned up to 11.
>>536704040datacenters meaningless if you don't have>polymorphic orthogonalityfigured outand nobody does>lol
>>536707054Oh I'm not a kike sweaty, so you failed.
>>536707072maybe AI will figure it out and you need the datacenters for the AI to figure it out
>>536706997No, because Covid was essentially a new flu variant, and should have been treated as such. Everything surrounding it was political theater. Almost none of the theater changed any of the outcomes, with the exception of the vaccine side effects, and the billions make by jew pharma.
>>536707222Why did Xi impose Covid zero policy then?
Oh cool, the source is a fictional character from the movie Fight Club. Why does this retard keep doing this, just post under your real name...
>>536704190/thread is being under the yellow jew surveillance state so much worse than being under brown kikes who rape and eat kids. We already gave the brown kikes a try and they flooded us with niggers and jeets, cant say I much care for current management. If they are looking for sympathy then why did they run the west into the ground? We have to be competitive; but we must also destroy you! It's all so tiring.
>>536707117Enjoy the ovens.
>>536707749you failed :)
>>536704040> chinks don't have power-shortfalls> US grid doesn't have the capacity without stealing from domestic quota.
>>536707392Because the jew has more influence over China than you want to admit.Covid was just the cold rebranded. It did not need any of the theatre behind it. Not the lockdowns, not the vaxx, not the masks, NONE OF IT.>>536704219Because AI Datacenters are primarily to be used for mass surveillance of the population and for easy arrests of suspected dissidents, i.e. similar to Minority Report. China is already a surveillance state and want to be even better at it.And US is pushing in that same direction because of jewish influence btw.
>>536707392To scare the world into continuing lockdowns.
>>536707881>chinks don't have power-shortfallsRemember the nationwide blackouts in China when they stopped importing Aussie coal? Remember? They did that in a fit of rage when Australia proposed an international inquiry into the origins of Covid-19. Why did that upset the CCP so much?
>>536707941Why didn't it work? Everyone was opening up when Xi imposed Covid zero and no one went back to lockdowns except China. Remember?
>>536706500Its how America won the Cold War lmao, this time we're the USSR
>Friendly reminder >OP is making shit up
>>536706346Only intelligent man in the thread
>>536708119No the US won the Cold War because the USSR was a communist shithole that everyone wanted to leave, so they had to build a wall to keep them from doing that.
>>536707981> nationwide blackouts in China, COVID-19, AussieCoalI'm not full into your local lore, but that was 6 years ago.They built this shit out since the Ukraine war."China’s investment in renewable energy pays off" - ABCNewshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYnyAamblSo1/3 probablty still roll in shit - but they built megacities, ai and navies since then.I'm still waiting for a rusted bridge to be repainted.
>>536708043If by everyone you mean Georgia and Florida, okay. Even that doesn’t account for all the nonsensical measures that continued after opening, and half the population not participating in the opening. The covid theater was a major financial blow to this country egged on by China, but caused by jews.
>>536708311>that was 6 years ago.I know lmao. Has China fixed it's humiliating dependency on Australian coal since 2020?
>>536708270Im saying we are in the USSR's place of economic disadvantage and trying to practice ideological contradictions (like being loving tolerant progressives that think Palestine must be destroyed, or devout Christians making Botswana gay).
>>536708396No bro, I'm talking about the fall of 2020 when the lockdowns were ending everywhere except for China, which was re-imposing them and going full "covid zero" remember? Remember?
>>536704040I'm content with China destroying itself further as it advises me to be free from retardation
>>536706767>The "should" part.Why are AI datacenters beneficial to Americans you game playing fucking faggot
>>536708488This is what the beginning of some children return to school in LA looked like in April 2021. My children’s school went out of business in fall 2020 because of covid regulations. Remember?
>>536708702>Why are AI datacenters beneficial to Americans Depends on the use case obviously.
>>536708794*returning
>>536708794That sucks for your kids. Why don't you remember Covid zero in China? Did you not read the news about it?
>>536708921Why don’t you remember the lockdowns, and restrictions in your own country? It’s almost like you were never in America.
>WE NEED LE HECKIN WORTHLESS AI BECAUSE, WE JUST DO OK
>>536708436>Has China fixed it's humiliating dependency on Australian coal since 2020?- i dunno your/their lore, but the way you say it suggests "no".- when you become a big enough issue, I guess they'll fix it.meantime, (despite growing consumption), they reduced (oil or gas) for the first time in decades- https://www.spglobal.com/energy/en/news-research/latest-news/energy-transition/013124-coal-still-accounted-for-nearly-60-of-chinas-electricity-supply-in-2023-cec
>>536709061>Why don’t you remember the lockdownsI do babe. My state was trying to require a vaxxpass to buy groceries for a while. I'll never forget. Why do you keep changing the subject though?
>>536709348Yeah China burns more coal than the rest of the world combined but Greta never says anything about them. It's the point I was making in OP.
>>536708814stop trying to make the question more complicated than it is. Name the fucking use cases then. Fucking scumbag shill
>>536709443> china burns lots of coal- china also makes 50% of your earthly belonginigs- it's an aggregation of all the global consoomerism into one spot (then claiming you didn't contribute to it).
>>536709348How's solar panel and wind turbine recycling going
>>536704535I don't see how datacenters pollute water sources.It's all a closed loop system so if your concern is warmer water by a couple of degrees in an extremely localized area then that's a nothing burger too.
>>536709520Wow you're really angry. There's lots of use cases anon. AI can read xrays better than any human radiologist. This translates directly into cancers that would not have been detected getting detected. Would you like another use case?>>536709625>china also makes 50% of your earthly belonginigsOh I don't buy chink shit. Only poor people do.
>>536706160Nuclear powerplants. You work a useless foid e-mail job. Learn to clean the kitchen .
>>536709698> How's solar panel and wind turbine recycling goingI dunno, but the way you suggest it, suggests: "it's not economically viable".When it's economically viable, people strip copper from wire, We're talking about:- whether china has 'overabundance of energy' to support AI.- and you can't go one winter without a grid-down.
>>536704219> b-but china is doing it!!!If China jumped off a bridge would you?
>>536706461The comments betray your notion. ZH commenters are borderline retarded.
>>536704040Dude I don't want my country to look like fucking polluted ass China. There are like 2 months out of the year where they can even go outside and breathe air that won't kill them within hours.
>>536709890 they'll go from looking like Serbia to looking like Serbia with piles of solar panels and electric cars and wind turbines soon enough
>>536710066Nuclear power. Natural Gas.
China cares about planning and infrastructureUS just builds it next to your town destroying property values and making water undrinkable
>>536709771>AI can read xrays better than any human radiologist.ok there's one. Anything else? And do medical use cases require this massive build out? >>536709866>Nuclear powerplants.how so? Nuclear tech is 80 years old and we've had shelved plans for safe, reliable, proliferation free, better fuel cycle reactors for 60 years. Not building them was/is a political issue and "AI" isn't going to solve that.>You work a useless foid e-mail job. Learn to clean the kitchen .I work in "AI" focused software, that's how I know how much bullshit there is around it. What do you do fuckface?
>>536710149You build newer ones based on newer research and engineering and recommission the old ones.3 mile island is coming back online next year
>>536710066>fucking polluted ass Chinathe point is - infrastructure should be built first to support the tech.my only cope is: it's gonna hurt the people who voted for this first.(less populated) redstates.
>>536710242Nuclear power and natural gas.
>>536710236so what does that have to do with AI besides powering it? We should have been building thorium MSR's for 50 years already but instead have been tilting at fusion windmills
>>536710337Cheaper electric bills since we've just been shutting down electrical generation plants and oil refineries for 20 years straight.More hydro electric damsMore nuclearMore natural gas.
>>536709962I asked why they're doing it.>>536710149>ok there's one. Anything else?Yeah sure. AI is used in fracking and oil drilling. It's been one of the main drivers of lowered costs and well productivity. Before drilling wells was almost entirely speculative, but now AI is used to comb geological and seismic data to predict the best spots to drill.
>>536710320> Nuclear power and natural gas.yes Microsoft bought an nukestation(good move)yes others have subscribed to nuke output:- google, meta, AWSbut the subscriptions are still feeding off a Domestic-Source: HIKING PRICESas I said, at least it hurts redstates first.
>>536704040Build your data centers in Iceland, Greenland, Antartica, or in the north pole. The People are not against data centers themselves but are against the negative effects of having them near by, like causing price increase in electricity, causing water contaminations, causing constant humming sound around them, and not the least causing massive EMF radiation that triggers serious negative health effects on humans, animals, and plants. Huge data centers belong to in the middle of no where, an ice shit hole is preferred since ice for cooling is all around you. You would need to build a dedicated nuclear power plant to power them. If you are for placing data centers around urban centers and farm land then you are the jew who wants to destroy the health and well being of the goyim.
>>536704219He is lying, the US is by far already ahead of all other countries combined when it comes of data centers.
>>536710602Infrastructure getting shutdown and destroyed in the Blue States harms them more and they're already full of illegal alien schizo bums.The problem with Red States building infrastructure is that all the retards that destroyed California are going to start moving over like with what's going on in Texas and what happened to Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, and Colorado.
>>536704040Make the billionaires pay for the fucking data centers then! They are literally raising taxes and energy costs on everyone else because they dont want to use their own money to build the fucking things or set up the energy infrastructure they need.
>>536704040>an hero hedgeok retard
>>536710399yes we have shutdown capacity and hamstrung nuclear to chase green (it's not) bullshit because green makes a better political patronage machine. I agree we should be doing it, and while it helps reduce impact of increased AI/datacenter loads, it's a separate issue.>>536710530>AI is used in fracking and oil drilling. It's been one of the main drivers of lowered costs and well productivity. Before drilling wells was almost entirely speculative, but now AI is used to comb geological and seismic data to predict the best spots to drill.will those savings go anywhere but the industry's profit margins?
>>536710726>Huge data centers belong to in the middle of no whereIndustrial zones don't work since people live to live close to work.We used to have 10-20 mile exclusion zones for them but the whole deal was built on trust and common sense so real estate developers still built entire neighborhoods right next to chem plants so you get disasters like in LA where nearly 100K people need to get evacuated because a chemical site is having a big melty.You can have your industrial park but how are you going to stop the city from expanding around it and becoming dead center in metropolis or suburbia?
>>536705885memeflag kike
>>536711043>will those savings go anywhere but the industry's profit margins?Why should they go anywhere else anon?
>oh my fauci we need to dominate the AI generated cat meme racenigger if you want cat pictures take real ones
>>536711245>will those savings go anywhere but the industry's profit margins?>Why should they go anywhere else anon?they voted for it.
>>536711325beep bop
>>536711325Why wouldn't it? They aren't drilling randomly all over the place hoping to hit an oil well anymore.You don't have to worry about random ass drilling contaminating the water table
>>536710149>And do medical use cases require this massive build out?No they don't. A hospital can buy one 5090 or RTX 6000 Blackwell and use it for all the computational analysis they will ever fucking need with more power efficiency than the giant render farms.>but le trainingWe should be using cheap to train specialized models. Not this niggershit (((GAI))) LARP made by delusional kikes that think they can 'kill all the goyim' if they made a new fucking AI golem to work for themIt's retarded
>>536704219Retard, china isn't going to do shit, this is your government saying china is going to eat your kids so they can keep building their surveilance state.
>>536711245>Why should they go anywhere else anon?Because costs of AI are being externalized onto the public via higher utilities and job losses. This is what you can't answer, why should the public do anything but gather torches and pitchforks? This shit is just like illegal immigration, we're told we can't survive without it and there are dire economic consequences to removing illegals and called names for opposing it, but nobody can quite say how they benefit. It's because in both situations they benefit the billionaire ownership class at the expense of the regular public.
>>536711569China doesn't have the 2 trillion yuan to blow do they? Because of their economic problems I mean.
>>536710530Guess what nigger, mining analysis isn't ChatGPT unless they're using some ludicrously inefficient LANGUAGE MODEL to stand in for GEOLOGICAL ANALYSIS. The reason fucking (((kikerosoft pajeetgle))) wants an AI goyslop datacenter is because they are too low IQ to actually fit tools to the task. >mmuh everything is a nailLearn what a screw is you pajeets
>>536711524>No they don't.yup I know, I've worked around some of the medical AI uses and the HW requirements are not huge.
>>536704040The problem here is that both powers agree on more control over their population.
>>536711650>why should the public do anything but gather torches and pitchforks?I dunno. Why are you here instead of doing that?>>536711700Jesus you're angry kek.
>>536711780In fact you could probably train a model with all the X ray classifications medical students read on Earth in one medical college (I volunteer Baylor for being a giant pretentious fag org, they deserve the hardware cost) and run inference on an M5 Max in the XRay room. We don't need TERAWATTS OF POWER for actual usecases, the whole buildout is because pajeets are low cortical mass and can't look beyond one or two pigeonhole ideas at a time.
>>536711879>Why are you here instead of doing that?I'm trying to open people's eyes to it. Why are you here shilling for it? In my experience that is almost always someone talking their book.
>>536712022>the whole buildout is because pajeets are low cortical mass and can't look beyond one or two pigeonhole ideas at a time.checked. I differ a bit with you here, I think it's a fantasy of replacing annoying human workers with AI slaves that never take a break or a day off. Also to perfect a china style AI control grid. US "elites" barely hide their admiration for the Chinese system at this point.
>>536712040yeah, keep doing that then instead of something
>>536712159Well yeah, the (((masters))) want fuckin robo-golems so they can square the circle of wanting to kill witey while relying on OUR great works. So they search for ze perfect robo-goy that runs itself without you needing to use your braincells to operate the tool (Cuz they got none!)
>>536712266Now answer, why are you in favor of it. You personally
>>536712277>Well yeah, the (((masters))) want fuckin robo-golems so they can square the circle of wanting to kill witey while relying on OUR great workschecked again, and great summation. Distill the intelligence yet be rid of the annoying agency
>>536712299In favor of what cuck?
>>536712382>playing dumb againgo fuck yourself faggot
>>536712436No I just don't know what you are asking me, except to do something that you're too lazy and weak to do irl.
>>536710149Realistically using excess environmental energy to build out synfuels (There was some island in Scotland playing with the idea cause they get more wind than can be transmitted across the UK in powerlines) along with backup thorium plants would get around a lot of the energy woes. Classic Uranium is sketchy because there isn't a real off switch, this is why the ZPP shit in Russia/Ukraine is so alarming because you NEED to cool it even in a scram. Thorium MSR (afaik) is better at that
>>536704040>burning more coal than the rest of the world combineBUT, ENOUGH ABOUT YOUR MOM!
>>536712735cringe
>>536712551>No I just don't know what you are asking meYes you do, you're just being a smarmy little fag. I don't know how to make this any more clear:Why do YOU, personally, think we should incur the societal costs of winning the AI race, if you can even define what the win condition is?>>536712595>Thorium MSR (afaik) is better at thatit is, it is passive fail safe, freeze plugs in the bottom melt and the fuel drops into a containment vessel and spreads enough to stop the reaction (I'm not 100% on the design, but it is something like this), no power required to prevent an accident. Thorium MSR's also operate at much higher temps than PWR's or BWR's so you can colocate synfuel production or other industries that need process heat. Thorium is in coal, after extracting it the coal can be used to create the synfuels using 85 year old proven tech.
>>536713391>Why do YOU, personally, think we should incur the societal costs of winning the AI raceOh because it's the ultimate general purpose tool. Why didn't you just ask clearly before instead of getting angry?
>>536704219yeah how ridiculous that china would spend large amounts of time and resource all to have poor or failed infrastructure that hurts their citizens, how ludicrous, what is this, fuckin bizzaro world???
>>536713506Why do you pretend to not understand? It's a classic shill tactic. Follow up, how do you expect this ultimate general purpose tool to make your individual life better?
>>536713952>Why do you pretend to not understand?I wasn't pretending. You're so angry and raging so much that I didn't understand what you were actually asking me.>how do you expect this ultimate general purpose tool to make your individual life better?I use it all the time for all sorts of things and it can be super helpful, but you have to know how to use it. Have you ever tried using it? Maybe you could talk to it about your anger issues.
>>536714050>why you so angry big meanielol, you aren't fooling anyone. >Have you ever tried using it?you aren't reading my responses because I already stated I work in software around it. I use it every day. Here's my direct personal experience with it, agentic AI has dramatically raised my work output, but NONE of those gains go to me, they go to the company. So the practical effect is my minimum bar of expected work output has been raised.
>>536706346Reagan's ploy only worked because the US had far more money than the USSR. If you are trying to trick your opponent into spending money by falling into a money pit yourself, you are only going to hurt yourself way more than you hurt your enemy. Not to mention that this doesn't even make sense, because America initiated the huge infrastructure buildout.
>>536714208>I use it every dayWhy do you use it every day then if none of the gains go to you? That's really stupid isn't it?
>>536714253>why do you want to keep your jobI'm done with you. Sincerely KYS
>>536714279Sucks being a wagie I guess. Maybe the AI will completely replace you soon and free you from it...and from your anger.
China is building underwater data centers so it doesn't compete with the population for access to water.
>>536714458China has serious water issues for sure. It's why Beijing is sinking 4" every year.
>>536714221The Chinese can build fake data centers while we struggle trying to make real ones
>>536704040>sources familiar with the matter have saidFake news horseshit to try and prop up the popping US AI datacenter bubble.
did you anons know china has special jewish bookstores all over the country?entire bookstores with nothing but books on how great the jews are, and how to be more like the amazing jews.it makes sense they dont want america to build data centers, china is supposed to be "passing up" americans but the existence of a data center instantly makes that claim lose all of its izzat
>>536716077If they are building fake ones, it will be glaringly obvious.
the thing is china already built the electric grid to support it, we haven't been, and any place that builds a data center will cause a spike in energy prices
>>536704190>>536704361>>536704535>>536704663>>536704841Based Hungarian Brother. Fuck this gay "b-b-but China" bullshit.
>>536720223data centers are bad in the US but good in China right? just like steel mills and shipyards. right fellow American poster from America?
>>536717009China is the most philosemitic culture on earth. The funny part about it though is that they like the Jews for all their jewish shit, not despite it. Chinks see honesty as a vice and aspire to be the biggest Shylock stereotype possible.
