Musk says it is done, there will never again be a need for computer programmersCoding has reached singularity.Computers will program themselves with the help of AI models.This is not the end of computer hardware. This is the end of computer software.
>>536806168Smug "learn to code" posters on suicide watch
>>536806168learn to do journalism fags
>>536806168Butlerian Jihad by 2027?
Learn to Claude
there will always be value in human made artbut no value at all in human codingfunny how that went
Should I even bother studying for my CCNA or is that shit going to be away, too?
SELF-DRIVING TELEPATHIC ROBOT CODERS ON MARS IN 2 MOAR WEEKSSS!!!
>>536806168imagine quoting this always wrong nigger
>>536806168And then you realize coding AI is trained on Indian spaghetti
>>536806168So the h1b fuck your face post aged like milk?
>>536806411Learn it. It has served me well professionally and I can't imagine it not still doing that 10 years down the line.
>>536806394Good observation
>>536806168Wish this faggot would get in a malfunctioning Tesla. Needs a long drive off a short bridge
All the programmers who focused on game dev are now jumping for joy, as gamers have firmly rejected AI generated games on their platforms.
>>536806168wake me up when AI can play my video games for me.
Every single large corporation that fired all of their developers to "stockmax" has had to rehire them in the last year.
>>536806411Jeets already replaced network admins before AI.
>>536806291>journalism LLM's can do that
>>536806168> musk predict> end of the yearwe still have 15 years then
>>536806526Ai gen code allowed.Only ai assets are not welcomed
>Man selling AI hypes AIWow
>>536806168Thanks
>>536806168It will be over for pretty much every white collar job. Non software development companies will be slower to adopt AI to replace jobs, just because they are less technology affine, but there will be strong competitive pressure very soon. >>536806286Blue collar workers should not be to smug either, because it will be 10-15 years delay at most until which they are replaced as well. We are heading for a dystopian or utopian future.
>>536806536>AI can play my video games for me.for what purpose?
Why is it always the people who couldn’t even console.log(“hello world”) always have this its so over opinion?
>>536806168This how they get backdoors everywhere. Claude already is taught to introduce tiny bugs that destroy AI training they will do the same for other competitors. Just yolo it bro no need to think just trust the prompt its a compiler you see?
>>536806525He needs to fuck off to Mars and die there like the pioneer of the new frontier that he wants to be.
>>536806168It's hilarious, please let them try that shit. The moment they push vibe coded apps, they'll get hacked so badly it's going to be so fucking funny.
>>536806168Musk says a lot of shit to hype up his AI grift
Elon Musk is an old fashioned boomer who thinks remote work is bad because>REEE fucking lazy millenials!! Get back to work!!He liberated twitter but it's bugged as fuck since he's in charge, the woke executives were actually more competent.Keep in mind also the fact that he is an investor and hires people to take care of the technology part of his businesses.In reality, this is a problem, I've been saying on 4chan for a while that this is a real threat to our livelihood and its very sad that everybody is happy that we'll be out of a job, due to I guess, jealousy, or hatred for nerds who were unpopular in school, idk.
nobody see AWS's xitter today? lel
>>536806394Artists are worthless now, kek. No one needs them.
>>536806679This, countless websites will get trashed by nmap and curl and it will be hilarious.
>>536806168Translation: We will be hiring more Jeets so stop studying STEM you goyim.
>>536806394All it did was free up my time from writing unecessary code to helping my clients turn their ideas into usable architecture. And even with that I still have to do some things manually so that it doesn't fuck up.
>>536806526lol and perhaps lmao, every single game developer of note is using some form of AI and usage will only increase as their output gets harder to detect for the average person. Several major studios have already admitted to this and the ones who haven't are just lying to consumers about it, either directly or by omission.
>>536806286Why? They'll just pick another meme job to troll with.
>>536806526Players haven't rejected Ai games. The pro-gamer doesn't yet have the tools to make a AAA competitive game yet. Once the pro-gamers get access to the tools where they can make their own games there will be thousands of new games to play competitively. Pro-gamers follow the money. With that being said, the pro games that have the largest prize pools will be the games casuals play.Think of any esports title. How massive of a crowd they pull. Now get money men and marketers around a few team of established pro players. No developers required. Just some twitchy boys and a LLM.
>>536806286>Smug "learn to code" posters on suicide watchthey can eat shitAI tuk my jerb, now it can take their
>>536806168> self-enshittifying algorithms> coolElon Musk is going to commit suicide by the end of the year.
>>536806168I love working for a blue state government. I have a union that guarantees my position no matter what happens and I do next to no work from home. Thank god I didn't get into programming, I LOVE coasting through life.
>>536806679Dude it may work eventually. I agree with you in that I hate vibe coders, but we have to be realistic.Software dev takes on AI have evolved like this:>it cant code for shit>its just fancy stack overflow>it needs to be spoonfed>it still needs supervisionThe trend is obvious. The only way we won't be replaced for the foreseeable future is if, due to limitations inherent to the technology (such as lacking common sense and making things up), its just never worth it. Which I'd love. But they may be able to make it work.>hackedThey can fix this. You're thinking in terms of what it is like now instead of what can be done with LLMs.
>>536806168We haven't had competent coding for 20 fucking years. The only thing they will prove is that what is broken can be made worse.
>>536806168I'm fine with this, I'll just become tech amish.
>>536806394Agree, ai can do art but i think human art will definitely still has a place, definitely tangible arts. Coders however…
FUCK YEAHONE OF THE LAST REAL MIDDLE CLASS JOBS FOR WHITE MEN WILL BE GONEUSAUSA USA
>>536806168I use AI while coding and it gives me the wrong answers all the time. Also, when something didn't work right, you can't just go on to a new thing, you have to explain to the AI that it didn't work and that you aren't doing it that way anymore, or it will keep trying to make the same code work. I just told it I need to trap a specific error in a power shell script, and instead of focusing on that task, it rewrote the entire thing so that all of the output is captured in a log file and then the errors are output at the end. It made the script completely useless. Then I googled it and found the answer right away on stack overflow.I honestly don't see how people are losing their jobs for this.
no one has polymorphic orthogonality™ figured out
>>536806286we never told everyone to learn to code, that would be fucking retarded, those were not the same people who write code for a living>>536806881why do you hate us so much? do you hate that nerds who weren't popular in school can have a good job and not be mcd cashiers? are you just jealous of people who have the IQ to do something that's not simple repetition of formulas or procedures?
>>536806168The elites don’t want coders and want it to turn into some unreadable language only they can use and manipulate. Don’t fall for it.
>>536807029>I honestly don't see how people are losing their jobs for this."you mean I can just rent access to AI hardware and fire half my staff!?!? WHERE CAN I SIGN!?!?"
>>536807050>simple repetition of formulas or procedures?implying coding is not just that
>>536806525If this nigger died in a cybertruck fire I would be so happy
>>536807050>why do you hate us so much?It's just funny because "learn to code" was the last line of defense of people who want to deny that ALL OF OUR JOBS AND HOBBIES will be replaced by machines and AI.They thought that by learning to code it meant that you could be the custodian of the machines that replace workers, but now they realize too late that it almost means THEY get replaced by AI as well.
>>536806286They always meant jive talk
>>536807058dude it wont be some unreadable language because AI only repeats existing languageswhich btw is also interesting, dont they plan to come up with any new frameworks? i guess frameworks wont be needed if this works out, and a few researchers could make transpilers or new compilers, in order to use existing languages forever.>>536807161its not and that's why its the one thing normies struggle withcan you please tell me about your experience with coding? why would you say that?
>>536806286>>536806881Programmers weren't saying that retards. That was journalists and politicians like Obama who were taking orders from the likes of Bezos and Zuckerberg who wanted to lower salaries by oversaturating the market.
>>536807224Learn to vibe code
>>536806168>Okay guys, you're all going to suck each others assholes and I am going to watch and then steal your money
>>536806632>AI spits out boilerplate code farmed from thousands of identical student projects>non-programmers are impressed>"WOW!"
>>536806168Bold words for some fag whose entire office is H-1Bs and is risking getting himself scratched off Forbes once Dems return to power.
>>536806946Costs will still bite them in the ass. If they want to change or move a pixel the LLM rewrites the entire code base which costs tokens and I've been in enough meetings and email threads with back and forth that they'll go through a shit load of tokens because someone isn't happy with the shade of blue a button is.
>>536807224yeah well that's the way things arei read somewhere that people used to overestimate how easy it would be to make AI. since computers could do very hard maths so fast, and obviously, speaking feels easier than adding or multiplying big numbers. they were completely wrong. computers make easy things hard, and hard things easy.the stereotype was also that art can't be automated. i guess people expected automation to hit jobs like receptionists, assistants etc. little do they know that those jobs take common sense that everyone takes for granted, whereas coding is purely translating specifications into code, and purely (or mostly) technical.
>>536807255if an AI agent can "vibe code" and do a mostly passable job that just needs a bit of clean up by a human then it's not an esoteric super high IQ creative job at all
>>536806168This is bullshit. AI isn't going to hit some singularity, it only iterates on current knowledge. Plus you can't ask AI to generate something you don't know
I dunno man. The shit I program is pretty complicated. I'm doing like 4 nested for-loops where every variable is updated at the exact proper place, so memory is used the most efficiently. It just seems kind of impossibel that AI would be able to do this. If simply for the fact that it doesn't fully understand what needs to happen
It's crazy how they have made false predictions for years, but investors continue to give them blank checks so they continue to make false predictions.
>just learn how to code bro>why you learning a trade broHouse, pussy, bank account full of money, meanwhile all these fags are living with their parents in their 30s, i won, I didn’t take the bait, I didn’t take the vaxx
This in turn is another thing that fucks over men, since statistically men were over 70% in tech jobs.
>>536807390We can't reliably say "our jobs are safe, costs are too high". It's just not a reasonable take, because costs are consistently driven down by innovation.Eventually, IF this works out and doesn't hit a wall due to inherent limitations of LLMs, I believe it will be a situation where people will make their own GTA VI just with a prompt to free version of chatgpt.
>>536807029Yeah AI isn't that good at figuring out things, it's better use IMO is as a macro language to generate repetitive template-style code so you don't have to type up a bunch of bullshit.>>536806168That's what every non-programmer thinks because they are either ignorant of programmers or have some high school hangups about "nerds".
>tfw just started learning C++ because it's a requirement for my shitty math associates degreeWhat do I even do for work now? I've realized that unless I start making 100k/yr by next year, my life is no longer viable, I will never be able to have a longterm woman, etc. The most I've ever made is 25/hr as a factory wagie making circuit boards.
Good AI is unironically much more expensive than decent human programmer.AI is not laying off anyone but entry level people.
>>536806564...and this is the question everybody needs to be asking these tech companies claiming that AI will replace all programmers>"So how many Jeets are still working for your companies, and why aren't Americans working those jobs?"
>>536807533Yep. Bluecollar retards love fucking over young men though so they are celebrating right now.
>>536806168TCD
>>536807456you are soo resentful.did you, by any chance, try to learn to code and found that it made no sense? and thought "what's this dork shit? i dont understand anything! this makes zero sense! it's so stupid!" like girls say in school about maths?computers easily do things that are hard for people, that's all.
>>536806550Yeah what the fuck is Musk on about? Hallucinations have gotten worse, not better.
>>536807567In the end that will rebound too because you need entry level to become good. You can't just graduate into a senior position
Code me a perfect blowjob, then code me a perfect steak.
>>536806946>>its just fancy stack overflow>>it needs to be spoonfed>>it still needs supervisionAll three of these are still true, though. There is nothing to suggest that AI can outlast human developers because its still primarily benefiting from the wealth of coding documentation generated by communities of human developers. Kill off the human coding industry, and AI gets locked into an evolutionary dead end because it can only harvest and combine existing documented coding solutions, not create new ones to fit new use cases or even new code libraries. You will always, at bare minimum, need a stable of software developers that are *better coders than the AI* to teach the AI how to code in new ways as the industry advances and evolves.
>>536806168Didn't Morpheus tell us in the Matrix that AI will destroy humanity? That was fucking 1999.
>>536806168>implying normies can describe what software they want for the AI to make it>implying the AI will have enough personality to tell clients their ideas are stupidElon Musk is a retard
It's over for third world monkeys, eastern europeans are all gonna go out of business. Just as a bout they started having some upward economy trend
>>536807567>Good AI is unironically much more expensive than decent human programmer.the first cars were much more expensive than a decent horse too we're in the early days
>>536806168It won't be over, but hiring will continue to change drastically. CEOs and HR are too retarded to understand the manual human labor it takes to ship and support production applications. "Writing the code" is just one part. They think it's the whole part. So they'll dump money into AI and wonder why their agents keep breaking things, and they won't hire coders for reasonable salaries because "an AI can do it." This cognitive dissonance will kill their company.You'd have to pay me $1M+/year to debug and fix your giant ball of vibe coded shit, and even then it's probably not worth my time when I can code it myself (using agents responsibly) and steal your customers.
>>536807456>if an AI agent can "vibe code" and do a mostly passable job that just needs a bit of clean up by a humanthen it's not an esoteric super high IQ creative job at allIt never was. Most programming is about reading the fucking manual and following highly detailed instructions to produce code to specifications in a robotic manner. Turns out robots do that job perfectly.Programmers who creatively think outside the specifications and don't follow the instructions are "hackers" and those are very rare.
>>536807563Nah it's not over. I had to work at Walmart, then lawn work, then shoe horses and now I'm back into programming. Use whatever money you can spare to invest in yourself. Use your skills to make life easier for yourself.I'm going to be spending the next few years concurrent to programming working on 3d printing, welding and building things myself. Will be picking up some small acreage so I can build greenhouses and produce my own fuel. May even switch to an electric vehicle so I can just go solar.
>>536807626>did you, by any chance, try to learn to code no, but I too worked in an industry that used to think it was sooo creative and would NEVER EVER be replaced by a robot because it's oh so subtle and skill-dependentthen came LLM's and it turned out they can do 80% of our work
>>536807050Lol.So high IQ a brain is not required.Good luck, maybe move to Venezuela and get a job in the oil field.
>>536807567retarded takei have zero respect for takes like this, this is a serious topic, we're talking about a potential mass firing, treat it seriously instead of posting the first retarded shit that comes to your (limited as fuck) mind based on a pathetic attempt at an analysisAI either can get the job done or it cant. if it can, maybe not yet, but it will become infinitely cheaper. and then they wont care about good or bad programmers because it wont be a craft anymore if bad coding doesn't matter because the whole thing can be remade on the spot, anytime, anyway. would you care about the quality of a car if anytime you could say "chatgpt give me a new one" and have it replaced on the spot?
>AI is going to completely flip the world on its head>It will code your software, drive your car, and even fuck your fat wife for yout. Guy trying to sell his LLM for $1.7t + tip
>>536807058This has occurred to me recently because I’m reading a book about learning how to code python: I’m pretty sure you can’t make a secret code language that exists in a public realm because code has to be legible in some fashion to every interpreter whether it’s man or machine. I mean, you could make your own TempleOS but it would need to be on every computer you want to communicate with. Am I retarded for saying that?
>>536807877really? and you got fired?honestly unless it was straight up pajeet tier data entry, i think its too soon, AI must be a very shitty replacement, those retards fucked up
its over
>>536806168just learn to suck dick you silly amatuersoldest profession in da world
Anyone that can't afford at $250,000 a year in tokens is essentially a caveman.
well it's either AI or jeets. Take your pick
>>536807456>mostly passable job that just needs a bit of clean up by a humanROFLTry to fix a something by hand in a large vibe coded project and come back. It very quickly turns to shit.
>>536806168where's the mars colony mr musk?
>>536807897we're not replaced yet, i honestly think it will probably take longer than most people think, and that while its a real threat to think about, it may never happen. first off.secondly, like i said, things that are harder for people are easier to computers, that's all. you love being smug. I think you probably tried to learn to code and found it made no sense to you, you must've thought "i dont get it! what's this stupid nerd shit! they're so dumb!!". kekyou are so happily expecting programmers to have to get a mcd job or something, too. you must be ecstatic thinking about that. well, i have bad news, we're smart. intelligent people always win. you'll see. kek
>>536808123Why do you think women are 10000% against AI sexbots???It literally destroys their default state of living
You will always need a human to manage blue collars, so low level management is safe. However you will not need a human to manage low level management, and the future is execs coming up with retarded ideas and AI working with AI at other companies to tell at the low level managers to make the blue collars do it.
Still not buying it. Vibecoders have not created anything new or impressive. You can't turn a normie into a programmer by arming him with an LLM. A big pile of copy-pasted code without the ability to understand, debug and maintain it is useless. >hurr durr but Spotify/Adobe/Microsoft said 90% of their code is written by LLMs now!!!!Yeah and their products get shittier by the day. >>536807713AI is science fiction, LLMs are not AI, they are random sentence generators.
>>536806168The way this nigga shits out claims is almost as pathetic as the people who take them seriously
>>536808265this is remarkably retarded. AI will never take any jobs that require a degree of real world knowledge and intuition. could be a cashier or even a receptionist.>>536808244well yeah. fuck that.
>>536808218My pick is White men with AI. AI doesn't replace White men, it replaces Jeets and Chinks because they lack the creativity to direct AI and correct it. If they're not excessively dumb and scamming people, they're smart but uncreative. They're basically on the AI continuum themselves.Only Whites can successfully wield AI to productive uses.
>>536808293the whole point is that at some point the AI may be able to directly give people complete working apps. otherwise yeah it needs a professional obviously.
>>536808237We wont be replaced. AI being cheaper will not kill our jobs, in fact it will increase the demand like crazy because many projects will become viable. We wil enter into another golden era. Im already enjoying it working comfy from home>>536807502Shut up and unclog my toilet tradie
>>536807909To expand on this I think the number of people needed may actually double, or triple, as literal AI slop is injected into our society they will want supervisors and daily workers for fact checking the vibe codes and fixing them when tokens become too expensive.That’s the other thing, what are tokens based on anyway? Volume, energy consumption, task difficulty, time I would assume? It just sounds like it has the capability of becoming more profitable through a concentrated industry, possibly nationalized by governments. It sounds retarded but I am being a little facetious; these things have become exponential in its pervasiveness to our immediate future. That’s what the people who are pushing it tell us anyway.
>>536806286>"learn to code"The entire point of that was mocking progressives who didn't care about collapsing industry. Coders are going the way of the coal miner, nothings changed. It was never actual advice you retarded mongoloid.
>>536806496Musk have lots of jeets workers
>>536808444>We wont be replaced. AI being cheaper will not kill our jobs, in fact it will increase the demand like crazy because many projects will become viable. We wil enter into another golden era. Im already enjoying it working comfy from homei appreciate the optimism fren and i hope you're right, but some managers are already trying to vibe code entire software projects (its not working out), if AI figures out how to make the entire app without a dev involved, then that's no good for us no matter the demand for apps.
>>536808042>unless it was straight up pajeet tier data entry,no, it was language translationsnow any mouth breather with DeepL can be 80% as good as I was just 5 years ago no problem for me personally, I was ready to retire anyway, I'm talking about the broader job market
I kinda lucked out dropping out if my comp sci program and becoming a handyman. I paid my student loan off years ago and I make more than most people I know who got degrees in anything other than finance. I cried for days thinking my life was over back then lol.
I rest my case
>>536808485This will be fine until the CEOs find themselves being replaced by AI while it's saying "a nutless monkey could do your job".CEOs only think they're in control for now.
But who makes the training data for the bots to program?
>>536806168AI is fake and gay. It's not even a calculator
>>536807862I need to find and learn a solid marketable skill fast before I can afford to branch out. I even feel guilt working on my creative hobbies like leatherworking now because they are not financially viable. I make some money off of YouTube and releasing some PDF guides alongside it that people will buy, but I'll make a few hundred dollars from it at best. I need to be making $300 a day or I can kiss ever having a home or kids goodbye.
it's nice how the idea men will finally take over, they have no more excuses "oh I need to build that, but I dont have the coders for it". Put up or shut up.
>>536808546Well I can personally guarantee that AI language translations keep making things up, for the same reason AI chats make things up. They often write things that are not said in the original text.But yeah this is not good news for translators at all, for anything that's not very serious, its already a problem.I feel for you but you're wrong to resent software devs.
>>536806168He has to say shit like this to keep pumping his IPO stock.
>>536806168Dead by the end of the year you say ;)
>>536806411You should be good until they invent robots that can physically manage networking.
>>536808775yeah this is basically their job. i am not at all worried about elon's opinion. but its a fact that AI is a problem.
>>536806679What's funny is that there is now more ways to hack due to people vibe coding. You just make a project/code base with the words/comments of a legitimate library, but the code executes something different. With enough layering (and a stupid user) there might be attacks before there is any push to production.Obviously the code could be run in a sandbox environment, but how many companies are going to want smart and calculated decisions when you can just make workers go go go with tokens?
>>536806168he's said a lot of stuff that never came true. who cares. he's a conman.
>>536806168I don't know about the end of the year, but it is inevitable. I'm not even a coder and used AI to help me create a perfectly working mod for a video game. I'd always trust AI over an Indian with a fake degree.
>>536806411software dev here, i dont think whether a CCNA is worth it or not has to do with this, LLMs are not going to do it.
>>536806331Nah, we are definitely just going to roll over and die. Wildly optimistic to think that humanity can fight back against AI. Let's just call it a night. I'd be happy with going to eternal sleep so long as our future AI overlord promises to take care of my dog. That's all I care about at this point.
>>536806168Honestly? Based. I'm a software wagie and I'm sick of all the low IQ trash that have infected this whole field. Most the retards in it are ultra overpaid and title inflated. Software is still important, but the "ease" of getting into this field has been a disaster for the human race.
>>536808656Well the good thing is that with the internet and AI you can branch out into almost anything if you simply stop doomscrolling and wasting your time on niggers like 90% of the retards on the internet do. It's not hard to beat them with focus. You just have to come to an existential realization that you're not going to live forever and you're just going to push hard to get what you want so you can find some meaning in your life. A job can't give you that.
>>536808704>Well I can personally guarantee that AI language translations keep making things up, for the same reason AI chats make things up. They often write things that are not said in the original text.no, no they don'tGoogle Translate is shit, don't point to it professional software improves year after yearit can now handle idioms, metaphors, sarcasm, deal with nuance, registers etc. once AI grows to be capable of understand the entire context of a written work (movie script, novel, etc), human translators will be rendered unnecessary the same will apply to programming
>>536808541 I mean, the technology already exists. We could right now automate every single office job that exist. Hallucinations and using real world data are a solved problem, I seen agentic systems being developed that are pretty much human intelligence tier. The problem is organizational, the time for companies to change to be full AI will probably take like 10 years or more so we are fine for some time, there will be a huge resistance from people trying to keep their jobs
>>536806168>prediction by man who gets most predictions wrongIt might be reduced, but liability will make jews keep hiring people to blame when things go wrong. There's also the lack of training data that will eventually come up, LLMs aren't capable of innovating so R&D will require at least a small group of engineers and scientists to keep working alongside the machines. Muskike just wants to reduce costs like all other kikes and fire as many people as he can. If and when white collar jobs start disappearing en masse, there will be nowhere for the elites to hide
>>536806168So? Tech progress outgrew a device. Happens every other year.People who knew how fix a radio, can't do shit with a broken LCD TV.There will be new tech and new maintenance jobs.US is so stuck in 00s digital age. We can smell their shat pants across the atlantic.
>>536808930dude its a comfy work from home, well paid jobi spend more time masturbating than I do coding during working hoursi dont care about working with idiots. in fact, one idiot just got a promotion where i work because he's good at talking (by software nerd standards this means normie tier talking btw), and i am just playing along with his retarded ideas that he comes up with with chatGPT's help and enshittifying the codebase with him (its hilarious because the company spends a lot on supposed good coders and this might as well be coded by pajeets), dont care. maybe i can get a raise if he likes me. kek
>>536806331You’ll never take my AI waifus, monstergirls, or futanaris from me!
Yet somehow the millions of indians will still be employed and they will continue importing more of them for "tech" jobs
>>536809125Ya which is why it needs to end. You worthless shitters are not better than jeets, which is the giga TRVKE that most coder scum can't understand. LLMs shit out garbage that surprisingly works now. It's over.
>>536809024they do, i've seen it myself in spanish to english translations with DeepLthis is an inherent limitation of this technology btw, LLMs can be improved but will never stop making things upi know the same will apply to programming btw, which for some reason seems to make you happy>>536809055no, most office jobs require common sense that people take for granted and don't notice, for example a receptionist can't be replaced by AIim pretty sure with a big money incentive they'd switch fastagain this is something i keep telling my friends because they don't seem to get it either. the only question that matters is whether AI can reliably get the job done. and my guess is it will but will take longer than most people think.
>>536809055"""agentic systems""" have a database of knowledge. they don't have any actual intelligence. but, yea, most jobs don't require intelligence to begin with.
>>536809125doubtful most of you "engineers" could code anything worth a shit except webslop. truly a bottom-of-the-barrel degree in the STEM world.
>>536809230Because they cost less and are about as useless as the average westoid. So ya.
>>536806526WE HAVE AN AI CODE EXPERT OVER HERE! HE WILL TELL US IF A GAME WAS AI CODED OR NOT!
>>536809248excuse me, i am not a fucking vibe coderim just saying i have a boomer coworker who comes up with ideas with chatGPT, as in, asks chatGPT for opinions. he keeps asking chatGPT followup questions (doesnt know it gets stupider the more you do this), and ends up with the stupidest refactor ideas you can imaginehe got a promotion and seems to think he's in charge so might as well just play along, i'll soon look for another job for a pay increase but would rather remain in the same company due to Spain's labor laws, so i need his support
>>536809370>this is an inherent limitation of this technology btw, LLMs can be improved but will never stop making things upthis is what I meant by 80% good enough, 20% human oversight required >i know the same will apply to programming btwand graphic artists, those stuck-up cunts and songwriters who think they're god's gift to us plebes
>>536809408totally bro all we do is>border: 2px solid greenyou're resentful as fuck
>>536809601ok whatever broagain i am sorry you lost your job, you're right to hate AI with a passion, I do tooi am on your side
>>536809055>hallucinations are a solved problemYou should let google, anthropic and openai know anon, because they clearly don't have your genius solution for hallucinations. Hallucinations aren't going away retard, it's fundamentally part of a nondeterministic language predictor model.
>>536806168They can clean the robotaxis. Oh, wait.
>>536809408To be fair you can say this about a lot of fields. Most people are just doing routine work of no real importance. What people should be worried about is if they're really better than AI (incl Actually Indians).
>>536809055>Hallucinations and using real world data are a solved problemkek i missed thisthey are not and will never be, this one is inherent to how LLMs work, they cant fix it
>>536807909Speaking of limited minds... the ability of AI currently seems to corelate with the amount of resources put at its disposal. Unless something changes drasticly, how expensive would it be (energy and hardware-wise) to maintain an AI that fixes shitty code on the spot, any code, reliably, as such are the requirements ot make human coders obsolete?
>>536809854i am talking about hypotheticals that can happen over the next decade or two decades, obviously. if the question is about short term no, they're not replacing us, elon is just a boomer.
>>536806168You still need someone to check the code. Just because Musk scored slightly above 70 doesn't mean that he's not retarded.
>>536809939the whole point of vibe coding is that they check if it works instead of the code...
>>536809370>a receptionist can't be replaced by AImost have already been replaced by automated answering systems. i don't remember the last time a human answered the phone when I called a business.
Can you musk fangirls name a single musk prophecy that actually came true?
>>536809982yea but most people just do their best to speedrun those and talk to a person anyway
>>536806168>a jeet in your pocket
>>536808546Wait what you thought language translation wasn't something algorithms could do?
>>536806168Fraud is seething because he’s always wanted to be a software dev but he’s never possessed the ability. Now he’ll try to destroy the profession because if he can’t be one, no one can.
>>536806168Musk is notoriously bad at making accurate predictions though. This is a good omen for techfags.
>>536806168>there will never again be a need for computer programmersI'm not convinced. You till need humans that understand what it is doing. Even when you have AIs checking AIs they still fuck up.
>>536810423He's actually right this time. I've been using Fable at work since it launched yesterday. Tech work is fucking dead. This model is it. It's only a matter of time before people start realizing. After tech workers, it's going to come for (most of) the rest of white collar jobs.
retards have been saying this since 2022 like the vaxx was gonna kill people since 2020. nothing happened
>>536810656oh fuck it's so over...
>>536806168>Elon predictskek
>>536806744literally everywhere I look, people share human made art and avoid AI slop like the plague, unless it's some retarded AI worship community where people pretend to inorganically like things just because it's AI made.. it looks like soulless trash so it makes sense
>>536810831In March 2020 Elon said there would be "zero new cases" in the USA by mid-april 2020Of course the antivax mouthbreathing Elon taintlickers on here maintain that's the case but still.
There's no bastions left. Manufacturing gone. Tech gone. Healthcare is a shit career. Trades are Mexican. Gen Z and Alpha are probably gonna be homeless. Hard times ahead.
>>536808960What would you suggest I pursue?
>>536810831As somebody that uses it to work on enterprise software every single day, this line of thinking is way out of date. It's gotten steadily better. I can do 2 weeks worth of work in one day, easily. And Fable (which is 2 days old) is a noticeable jump in output quality, testing, and tardwrangling itself.
>>536806168Probably. My company is rolling out AI agents now to check code that we write. It's actually catching stuff we missed, but it's also catching stuff that's done on purpose, but reads it as a mistake.At this point I'm seeing that within a year, they'll be firing the large majority of jr. coders, and just have 1 senior coder overseeing every 10 AI agents. Intermediate coders will maybe still write code, but they'll be given AI agents to work alongside them until they can take that senior developer role themselves.Probably one of the unforseen things is that there will be fewer and fewer knowledgable programmers since if people can't get work as jr. programmers anymore, naturally, they will never gain enough experience to work towards being senior developers.
>>536809684>>536809790You dont need to solve it at inference level you retards. There are multiple ways to do verification and review. You can already have better error rates than humans. AI is being deployed in the real world in real jobs right now. It wouldnt be possible if you cannot trust it
This just is never going to happen. AI that writes directly to assembly or even binary instructions is useless for any enterprise solution. I am a principal software engineer at a fortune 500 so I know more than he does.1. Companies need a record of who made, reviewed, and deployed the changes. If any change causes an issue they need direct accountability for who caused it. AI generating low level code means it's not human readable and therefore breaks this chain of accountability and review.2. Measuring productivity in lines of code is absolutely the worst metric imaginable. A vast majority of the time spent building a product is in deriving the requirements for the system, and in the approval processes mentioned above. AI doesn't solve either issue.3. AI related layoffs are because AI is extremely expensive and will only continue to rise in costs. Increased AI budgets have not in any way correlated with more product being shipped. Therefore AI is useless for companies right now.4. AI hallucinations are something that cannot be solved. It's part of the process and cannot be overlooked. These systems are non-deterministic and therefore are useless in most applications. 5. AI is not the first attempt to make unskilled human readable code (prompts) that produce functional systems. In all cases this has been tried, it has been abandoned because it just creates even more problems in the long term. Systems become wildly unstable, difficult to maintain, and even harder to add more new functionality to. Effectively every time a change is required they would need to prompt the AI to build a brand new system. This is not cheap.6. AI cannot create, it can only copy what already exists.
Elon Musk was considered retarded by his teachers. They were right.
>>536808462Retroactive cope from a STEM fag, no doubt
>>536809684They did solve it though, through redundant AI agents assigned specific tasks. It's working very well for cancer related discoveries already. If it's a hallucination, it doesn't pass the checks of multiple other redundant agents checking the work.
>>536806286i'll gladly take the "learn to code" boomers over the "use AI for everything like how im doing or you'll be in the permanent underclass, buy my course and rent my SaaS now or be POOR" jeet-tier scammers
>>536812429>At this point I'm seeing that within a year, they'll be firing the large majority of jr. coders, and just have 1 senior coder overseeing every 10 AI agents. Intermediate coders will maybe still write code, but they'll be given AI agents to work alongside them until they can take that senior developer role themselves.You don't learn by reviewing AI code all day. Anyone that is a knowledgeable skilled programmer who is delegated to only reviewing code will see their skills severely degrade over just a year or two, to the point of being indistinguishable from a fresh college graduate. Without new talent learning on the job as well, in just 10 years you'll see the entire bottom crash out on the industry and the salaries of people left who can still program will skyrocket. In the long run AI will cost companies significantly more than any humans ever did, and the level of output and quality will be significantly worse.
>>536812655why would actual programmers want their industry flooded with low IQ trend seekers
>>536811431>this tool i have spent 2 days with and almost certainly haven't genuinely worked through 2 weeks worth of code line by line good i promisereally makes you think what kind of coders are out there generating huge piles of slopcode
>>536806286>>536806291Learn to own capital
>>536806526That only applies to graphics, the average person will never be able to know if a game's code is AI generated or not
>>536806168Musk said we would be on Mars by now.
>>536806168>Retarded AI spam article and retarded AI advocate claim a barely functional technology will render its own manufacturing and production obsolete.This would have been like a smith claiming that the invention of the hammer made the trade of smithing obsolete.
>>536813099That jeet is a liability to hia company and needs to be fired. Low iq AI slop producer. He's the reason all the software you use is enshitified.
why does musk get such a kick out of people becoming unemployed. fair enough when it was twitter cultural advisors.... He's one of the most powerful richest men in the world yet somehow a complete fucking loser. How does he do it?
>>536806168Sell tech boy real estate now : P Bruh maybe I could live in san fran after this
>>536812925>Without new talent learning on the job as well, in just 10 years you'll see the entire bottom crash out on the industry and the salaries of people left who can still program will skyrocket. In the long run AI will cost companies significantly more than any humans ever did, and the level of output and quality will be significantly worse.In the long run AI will get significantly cheaper, more efficient, and better in general. In the long run, AI wins out, unless you believe AI has already hit a hard cap in getting better as it is now. I don't see a need for senior devs in 10 years at the rate AI is progressing.
>>536806168AI won't design a good architecture for you. And when it will, it will be smart enough to take any other job.
>>536812925At the rate it's improving, skill decay and "no juniors to become seniors" are complete non-isssues.
>>536806168Glad I went into sysadmin/devops instead of straight up coding.
>>536812429>>Probably one of the unforseen things is that there will be fewer and fewer knowledgable programmers since if people can't get work as jr. programmers anymore, naturally, they will never gain enough experience to work towards being senior developers.banking on this for my FIRE journeyhistory repeats: not enough skilled devs, hire bunch of juniors, project goes pear-shaped, org hires expensive contractors to rescue itgonna quit the FT job in a decade, coast on contract roles until FIREgod bless ai
>use AI as an excuse to fire remaining whites in the industry and discourage young people from even trying>replace them all with infinite +1 jeets in 2027 onwardsI see you
>>536806168Coders are mostly trannies who ruined the internet, games, etc. Coders coded themselves out of a job. They also coded foids out of their useless jew daycare jobs. Most based thing they've ever done. Only thing left for them to do now is rope kek
>>536813687trannies are like 0.01% of the pop. and you have to have coders to make videogames anon. like you can't make videogames without coding idk what else to tell you man
>>536808443>mayand some day you may grow an extra 1 inch to go from 5'11" to 6'0" but until then, we're living in fantasy land
>>536813224I'm white, I've worked successfully on critical infrastructure code years before any normie knew what an LLM was, I do supervise jeets though to be fair. If you aren't making "ai slop", you're falling behind. I can't imagine centering a div by hand for any reason, and that alone used to be enough of a skill for somebody to make a good living on. The amount of things I can't imagine doing by hand anymore goes up with every major model release. Don't have to like it, but people denying it are on copium.
>>536807264This. Why the fuck would coders want to crowd their field?Most of them already felt like they got duped into something that didn't pay enough for how difficult it actually is.Coding has a fuckton of turnover because after five years people want to get into a different profession. Working hard was a con. The goal is to find lucrative jobs where you don't work hard.
AI code will be hilariously bad, like jeetware bad
>>536813735All the good programming came out back when white men were coders(Internet 1.0, Half-Life, Quake, etc), all of whom have long since retired. It's just been jeets and trannies rolling out garbage ever since and ruining all that was built before them. Good riddance
>>536813404Even if hypothetically AI produced perfect output and was capable of replacing all jobs, it isn't even possible the current implementations cannot do this at a mathematically proven level, but lets say that hurdle is overcome. The sheer amount of electricity alone required to power such a model that performs all the duties of all the currently employed white collar people in just the USA would surpass the entire global energy output by several magnitudes.
>>536813993Actually, it will be better. Give me a jeet-coded SPA, AI can polish it and unfuck the garbage.
>>536807557Dev/"eNgInEeR"/whatever here:Basically this. I've barely written a line of code, besides HTML or CSS, in like two years. I cut and paste from ChatGPT and edit.Thing is, it's still a situation where you have to keep track of and understand how all this shit works, otherwise you won't know wtf to do with the code you generate. I also build and get stuck maintaining way more complex things because I can do more now.In a lot of ways, my career has circled back to the early days of copy and pasting code from some blog or StackOverflow question and adjusting it to my needs.
>>536813884>claims he's white>doesn't understand basic S curvesAll of the easy gains for AI have already been made. The level of improvements has already dramatically declined. Without a massive improvement to the underlying logic, AI isn't replacing anyone. It will at best take a decade before another big breakthrough occurs..
>>536806168Invest in ropes
>>536813099> really makes you think what kind of coders are out there generating huge piles of slopcodeJeets.Teams of Jeets are out there hiring their nephews and nieces have been copy/pasting stackoverflow into code bases for years.Is Claude any worse than a team of Jeets?
>>536806168nene status: unemployed.
>>536814097No, it can't unfuck the garbage. AI thinks design decisions are intentional and tries to fit within those decisions. Unless you tell it how the architecture is bad, it won't try to refactor it. And rightfully so, since most people don't want their app refactored unless it's absolutely necessary. So you end up with an ever growing ball of mud until the collapses on itself.
>>536814316AI cannot handle large contexts. It can only work small scale.
>>536813687>Coders[...] ruined the internet
>>536806168"Coder" isn't a job. You have designers, developers, and engineers. A coder is just someone pumping out code to GitHub from his mom's basement.
>>536807019Did you not see the shit about BLS data? 90% of all new jobs went to foreigners since the pandemic and the other 10% went almost exclusively to niggers and women. Once they have the robots they need they'll stop pretending and just kill us outright.
>>536813993Keep coping.
>>536814229It's already replacing people. Go try to find a junior front-end dev job. You used to be able to do that pretty easily. There have been steady improvements despite the naysayers. Opus 4.5, the last universally agreed 'huge quality jump', is only 6 months old. Fable 5 is a big quality jump so far, from my personal experience. It's only 2 days old so a consensus hasn't been reached.
>>536814386Context doesn't matter for this. It won't refactor your entire app to be "better" unless you tell it to. And you have that it is bad in order to tell it to. And if you want it to make good design decisions, you have to tell it your design intentions, which requires experience.
>>536814316You don't know what you're talking about. I hate to sound smug, but it's true. Try it yourself. Go find the most garbage jeet SPA on github and ask Fable 5 to unfuck it. This is a gold idea for a youtube video, by the way.
>>536814386There is no upward limit on context size. The only limits are hardware and artificial limiters that tech companies put in place. But you don't typically feed ALL of the code into a single LLM anyway. The LLM typically takes in some amount and then using intent detection creates more instances with other parts of code.
>>536814866There is an upward limit on context size, it's computation time and hardware. If everyone is competing for a limited resource (hardware) than letting computations run longer locks up more of the available resources and acts as a cap for how many people can be running a prompt at any given time.
>>536806168We now live in the age of software slop. Jeets have shit in codebases for years, fermenting them into a putrid piles that engineers were forced to wade through to fix bugs. However, AI will make it an even worse, incomprehensible slurry of copied jeet shit and the sub-par, reddit-tier, third-world vibe-code it was trained on. This has the potential to end technology as we know it. The slop will be unsalvageable. It deserves to burn.>t. former software engineer
>>536815010You're stuck thinking in terms of cloud-based LLMs. There's nothing stopping someone like me loading up my 192GB of VRAM with the entirety of Wikipedia as a singular context prompt. Ask me how I know
>>536814820Code written by LLM's is incoherent half the time unless you're just solving benchmark leetcode problems and nobody has explained the plan to prevent long term degeneration other than an increasingly impossible amount of compute. This isn't to say it's not an incredibly useful tool but all this astroturf about the end of software just confirms it's a complete scam financially.
>>536806168Yeah, because Elon has a stellar track record for making predictions right? Remember how we were gonna be jerking off right now on aliens on Mars but now we’re going to the Moon and soon we’re not gonna go there either? So in reality the AI bubble is going to pop and AI is just going to be a useful tool.
>>536814820Fable 5 was released like 1 day ago, nobody has fed it a jeet SPA yet. So I don't know why you're claiming it does it.Common sense for a senior engineer would tell you that's not how this works. A app is made better with intention, and architecture decisions support the intention. How is Fable, or any model, supposed to know your intention if you don't communicate it? Maybe I want Redux instead of Zustand because my state complexity has grown. AI will see Zustand and try to cram more in there, not thinking that you actually need your whole app rewritten, because it doesn't know your intentions.
>>536806496i literally experienced this first handspent months building a web app, then the client wanted to take it over in house. so we had a knowledge transfer meeting with the client's developersi shit you not, 3 "senior" devs. all heavy indian accents. not a single one even knew how to use github. GITHUB!!rampant H1B fraud
>>536815150>There's nothing stopping someone like me loading up my 192GB of VRAMYes there is. There are a finite number of producers of the hardware, and you don't have the capital to compete with government funded companies building the datacenters. You can't do shit on your own.
>>536815086Kek current models actually appear somewhat more capable than jeets but rather than eliminating jeets they will only fire white people when downsizing
>>536808485My wife has a Tesla, and random shit on her car has been fucking up randomly since he bragged about how great jeets are. My guess is he did what every other CEO did and shipped out half the jobs to India, then those poos fucked everything up.
>>536815086Based. I hope all tech collapses. I want to see every data center get boarded up and ever tech giant to go bankrupt. Also, those fucking spy cameras that put every 50 feet on every single street... I never got a vote on this shit. Who the fuck wants to live in this surveillance state panopticon... This is what the "grey goo" hypothesis really meant; endless software slop that makes everything overly complicated, invasive, and shitty enough for complex systems to collapse. Planes falling out of the sky. Broken circuit boards everywhere. Silicon wafer debris as far as the eye can see. There better be mass lynchings, concentration camps, and genocides to pay for this mess.
>>536815349>Yes there is. There are a finite number of producers of the hardware, and you don't have the capital to compete with government funded companies building the datacenters. You can't do shit on your own.What the fuck are you even talking about? I have 2 Blackwells sitting right next to me lmao. Take your meds schizo. Also not an argument, I accept your concession with grace. I don't like beating up on the mentally ill
>>536815532Silence, poojeet
>>536815633the brownoids are assembling i see
>>536806168>no human programmers>AI spaghetti code that no one understands become ubiquitousWhat could go wrong?
>>536814166This I used to code 25 years ago in high school, I m an artist I'm making a indie 2d retro pixel art game and all I do to code is copy and paste from the free version chat got and so far everything works because I have at least a notion of where each part goes and what it does. I thought I would have to hire a coder.
>natural language to executable binaryTraining would be next to impossible. You would need god himself to power data centers to train a model to be able to do that (if it’s even algorithmically possible)I generally disregard anything jeetlon or any of the AI jews say anyway.
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>>536806168I don't write code anymore, all I do is point Codex at it and fucking let it rip. The best part is this will put all of the Indians out of a job because being able to use AI to code requires having a functioning brain (which is not a high requirement for non-Indians). Death to jeets, sieg heil
>>536806286Learn to prompt
>>536806168Ketamusk promised we would be on mars by 2025
>>536806286Love to see it.Now we can tell them "learn to weld"
>>536806946>The trend is obviousIt's a fuckin tool, retard. The same things were said for 40 years now. Those of us who grew during the higher level languages, GUI programming and later even all the low-code/no-code bullshit have seen this time and time again. You need a fuckin' developer to use a tool, at best it will help you. >>536807029>I honestly don't see how people are losing their jobs for this.Because retarded management, simple as. "Hurr-durr what do you mean it takes 10 months to do this?! AI should increase your productivity at least 5 or even 10 times, so it should be doable in a month". I've seen a company downsize from 60 devs to 5 devs under the guise of "AI will boost things", then eat shit for 6 months straight and now it's back to 30 devs and they're still trying to clean up the mess which was made by AI tooling lmao.
>>536807456>that just needs a bit of clean up by a human1. You need to understand what's wrong, what's being done and how to clean it up. None of the "vibe coders" have the understanding of any of it. 2. Often it's easier to redo things normally than trying to fix bad shit.>and do a mostly passable job It's as passable as a typical troon. It looks okay from a few meters until you actually try to use it.
>>536806168It'll probably last 3-6 months, then it'll crash and burn and they'll need to bring everyone back.Just wait until something important messes up.
>>536807909>it will become infinitely cheaperRight now it's actually instead exploding in cost. The amount of compute both in terms of hardware and every cost are insane and there's no easy "lmao hardware will become 1000x more performant" progress from the 80s and 90s. Any significant progress in terms of models is becoming harder and harder. >AI either can get the job done or it cant. Retarded take. It's a generation system, it's a random nondeterministic and unreproducable system. You're basically hitting the lever multiple times and waiting until you actually get a plausible result. That's how agentic coding is done at scale.
>>536806168Isn't he a south African autist who named his son AK-47 or something
>>536808704>Well I can personally guarantee that AI language translations keep making things upIt does in fact hallucinate to fucked up degree on larger data sets. Translate a 3-5 sentence product description? Okay. Translate an 15 page article? Whoops, it fucked up and invented shit which wasn't in the original.
>>536806946> The only way we won't be replaced for the foreseeable future is if, due to limitations inherent to the technology (such as lacking common sense and making things up), its just never worth it. You're forgetting if it ever did work like they want it to they would charge so much for it that it would be cheaper to hire 100 humans to do it and even if they made their own they'd pass a law saying you have to sign ownership of it over to Israel because muh Holocaust
>>536809601>20% human oversight requiredNigga, if it requires serious oversight, then the value of the generation plummets because after a while it's easier to do the job yourself to make sure it's okay and carefully searching for fuck ups in the smallest bits of a large set of data.
>>536807029> I honestly don't see how people are losing their jobs for this.Because the executives are salivating at the thought of laying everyone off and giving themselves their salaries as a bonus and now that their dicks are out they won't put them away until they'd cum. That's why they refuse to move on from the idea despite how embarrassingly it's crashed and burned. If/when they're forced to give up on it they'll throw a temper tantrum that can on be imagined. I bet Musk will send out an Org-All email just telling everyone: "FUCK YOU!" in size 72 font.
>>536807058You can just write your own language, but that would take knowledge and effort
>>536813099>really makes you think what kind of coders are out there generating huge piles of slopcodeThe kind which wrote a factory of a factory of a factory of factory to draw a button, and AI just writes the button for that faggot in a simple way.
Okay guys, should I still get a CS degree or not? I got into nursing school but I don't want to be a fucking nurse it's the most demeaning literal shit cleaning job out there.
>>536817623I make AI generate code because I hate syntax and it's less effort to eyeball the output than to type everything myself
>>536806168if musk is saying it the rule is that it will never happen. Shouldn't his dumb fat ass be on mars right now?
>>536806168someone is going to do a study one day decades from now about the blunder of coding yourself out of a job, only the code bros could have pulled off such an amazing trick you did your job so well you automated yourself out of a career, truly a brilliant group of people, what were they thinking?
>>536817961go for cloud engineer / architect
>>536806168That works great until the AI decides that 1=0, and billions of dollars (or hundreds of lives) are lost in a moment.
>>536806168guys wtf i am literally starting a phd in coding this fallwhat should i do?
>>536817807For my hello world website so far I have deployed a kubernetes cluster, a service mesh, prometheus/grafana for metrics, encryption at rest, flux reconciliation/gitops, and tomorrow I will add wire guard to harden admin access.
>>536817963How specifically do you use AI though? Do you provide it with specific tasks and just get bits and pieces it gives you? Or do you want it do full large systems for you, commit for you and so on? There's a big difference. A zoomer whom I've coached into coding also uses AI, but he uses it as a replacement for StackOverflow, he asks questions, ask for examples, helps with debugging and so on. This is fully okay and makes sense. >>536817961Data Engineering and machine learning have good demand and small market competition
>>536818313You're joking but I've seen such crap. $3K in infrastructure costs per month to host a six page almost static WordPress-tier website.
>>536818329> Or do you want it do full large systems for you, commit for you and so on?I make it gen code, commit, and create PRs that I merge myself.But I'm here every step of the way, I don't let AI run without supervision, and I don't let it execute terminal commands.I used to be a platform/devops engineer at a big tech company. I left to start my own business once I felt like AI got good enough to allow me to do it solo and not have to deal with employees for the time being.So far I'm having a blast
>>536818130>>536818329Okay so I'll probably get a CS degree and then specialize in one of these. Does it matter where I get my degree? Like if I get it from WGU am I cooked? I already have another bachelor's degree but it's shit.
>>536818423I was half joking, I'm laying the platform infra for a real product, minus the service mesh, that shit is useless.
>>536818423> $3K in infrastructure costs per monthLet me guess, Vercel?
>>536806168This is good because blue-collar workers hate information/data workers, and it will be even better next time when they fuck over blue-collar workers with more robots and illegals because desk jockeys hate blue collar workers.It's called the cycle of, "ITS A DOUBLE-SIDED DILDO, YOU STUPID FUCKS, WAKE UP, THEY HATE YOU BOTH."
>>536818329I call the way I code "AI driving". Just like a car it does most of the work, but you steer the wheel
>>536816865You're really going to need to lock-in, before it's too late.
>>536818681>I make it gen codeBut how specifically? I'm asking because I'm literally seeing a friend working in a company which drank the koolaid and they basically have an agentic pipeline of multiple agents, something like this: >agent #1 generates a scope of work based on the task defined in natural language by the PM>agent #2 takes the scope of work and generates a spec based on that>agent #3 takes the spec and generates the tests>agent #4 then generates the code based on the tests>agent #5 runs the tests>agent #6 prepares a release >If it fails on some stage, the system retries the task X times>If it still fails after X times, it rolls back to the previous stage and retries from itThe amount of tokens used is insane, it costs more than expensive US based engineers, let alone outsourced ones.The pace of releases and actual productive results is almost an order of magnitude worse than from manual development.The quality is also shit lmao. Things which worked for years suddenly get fucked up, like the basic bitch sign-in/sign-up/forgot password flows and forms. Tests are often hallucinated irrelevant shit kek.The copium from management is strong, "hurr-durr temporary setbacks, just need some optimization for the new work reality" and other such nonsense.
>>536806168I'm going to be real with you, this is all boomers fault. Coding isn't hard, its very easy to learn and implement, the issue here is old code thats like fucking untangling wet spaghetti without breaking it cause the boomer who created the system that the multi billion dollar company runs on, retired and refused to tutor his replacement or leave notes. Usually saying "I built this from the ground up, you can do the same". While not realizing this is a completely different situation than creating something from scratch.This is why AI coding is taking over, its easier and more efficient to just program static code into AI, and have an AI do it. That way you never have a matyr boomer ruining it for eveyrone because of their ego ever again.
>>536818889Nope, a bunch of retarded and not needed custom AWS bullshit.
>>536806168>all computer language writing jobs are done>AI is too good at computer language writing
>>536806616Blue collar workers are replaced by influx of white collars as we speakTradies are tradies because they are too retarded to understand theu being replaced by jobless nerds undercutting them.
>>536819588White collar people who sat at a desk for decades are not going to adapt to real work that well. I say that as a white collar worker.
>>536806168>elons predictsfuck off.
>>536819882For starters they'll just cut their arms of with the nearest machine due to retardation and not having to deal with anything using their hands>>536819909But... but... but... full self driving?! mars colonization?!
>>536806168then why the fuck does he need millions of H1B indians?
>>536819370>how specificallyI use exactly 1 agent and I tell it what to do at a relatively low level. I read every output and validate them.I use AI for what it is: a very good coding tool. What you describe is people trying to turn a tool into an engineer.What will happen is that they will burn a fortune in tokens and then they will have to rewrite the whole thing because it will be unmaintainable.
>>536818260>what should i do?learn to weld
>>536806286"Learn to code" faggots were not computer programmers though. They were dipshit liberal arts retards and HR roasties who thought that "coding" was some magic low-skill job that anyone could do. Actual software engineers do NOT want more people in the field.The sad truth of it is that most code is total fucking shit. And because of that, most AI code is total fucking shit. I fear that we're heading for some absolute retardation with AI code: if you thought a modern PC having problems loading a single webpage was bad, just wait until we hit the vibe-coding singularity. This whole thing is great for NVIDIA not just because they sell their chips for people to train AI on, but in just a year or two you're gonna need dual RTX 5080s just to render a fucking website.We're rapidly heading for the sloppa singularity.
>>536806168why should anyone on /pol/ care?we're schizo's with a diverse set of skills, coding is not our bread and butter.
>>536806286i learned to "code", but not for money, but for schizo decyphering of varying types of codes.anyone that learned to code to make money gets what they deserve.
>>536820227>I use exactly 1 agent and I tell it what to do at a relatively low level. I read every output and validate them.Well this makes sense, but a non-developer wouldn't be able to get the same results as you from that tool. Which is exactly my point. >What will happen is that they will burn a fortune in tokens and then they will have to rewrite the whole thing because it will be unmaintainable.Exactly. I'm concerned that some companies will die because they're speedrunning the technical debt and rot of their products with AI. Because AI basically makes it possible to do in months which previously took years and decades - transform a projects into an unmaintainable mountain of shit. At some point it won't be possible to salvage the shit made by AI, specifically because trying to make heads or tails of it will be harder than redoing shit.
>>536806168AI can't implement a complex OIDC workflow using Spring Boot and Angular frameworks together. I think I'm safe.>t. Spent 8 hours implementing authentication with AIs useless rabbit hole help
Haven't they been saying this for years? It's just hype bullshit. They need money because it's all unsustainable and they are going to start passing that cost onto the consumer. It's over token maxxing Bros. What are you going to do when it cost $20k in tokens to prototype that app?
>>536808204>dystopia is herelol, everyone here funded it.rejoice, soon you will be obsolete.
I graduated in 2013 and my professors were telling me about "self writing code". I'm an electrician now
Yeah okThen they'll rush to hire devs again when they notice there are still workflows involving event handling that need physical cognition to pin down in code.
>>536820575The AI can do anything if you tell it how to do it :)
>>536820575Go and try to have it do unpopular retro stuff, which partially uses the same naming as more modern stuff. Now that's a fun ride of bullshit. Like have it develop a NextStep app in Objective-C. It stumbles on the fact that the same language, APIs and tooling were used in MacOS for years, but they were obviously different and had different capabilities. No mountain of decades of opensource stuff to train the model on == no usable results from the LLM.
>>536806168>coding is deadoh thank god, fuck those stemlords, i can finally do my liberal arts degree in peace.
>>536818907>It's called the cycle of, "ITS A DOUBLE-SIDED DILDO, YOU STUPID FUCKS, WAKE UP, THEY HATE YOU BOTH."oh yeah, i remember that, the law of "you retarded niggers, you're only being used to fill up the CEOs bank account", i learned this in highschool economics.pretty based desu
Yea it’s bad. I use codex to do everything now. While it’s kinda nice to breeze through shit, it’s obvious that I’m a prompt away from being released. Oh well kek. More of a zoomer problem, I did my share. Zoomers won’t do shit except suck Epstein and Tyrone’s balls
>>536820850can't wait to see the next shit on a canvas, or is it period blood this time?so exciting!!
>>536820822If you have to chew its food for it, providing detailed description of everything and handholding it every step of the way, then it's often faster to do by hand lmao.
>>536820848That's why I keep saying the opensource devs were the biggest idiots.They fed the AIs for decades and now they'll get what they deserve, no jobs. They coded themselves out of jobs.
>>536820568> Because AI basically makes it possible to do in months which previously took years and decades - transform a projects into an unmaintainable mountain of shit.Executives stay 5 years tops before jumping to another bug company. They don't care about leaving a big time bomb behind them, they made shareholders happy, got their check, and out the door.
>>536820934In many ways yes
>>536806168My company is so tech illiterate they wouldn't be able to replace me with AI
>>536820903>shit on canvasFootwear design is exciting
>>536820921Exactly, AI saves your having to read shitty documentation to figure out the obscure syntax of this version of this quirky CLI tool or of this library function.I hate reading documentation and memorizing syntax so it's great. I started with C and I loved it for how little syntax you had to know.AI can spit out these YAML files for me? Great
>>536820968True, but bad management could fuck things up in less than 5 years before. With LLMs it seems that they fuck up things in weeks and months lmao.
>>536821172>AI can spit out these YAML files for me? GreatUp to a point where it somehow fucks up the syntax or hallucinates entries. Seen that happen with csv, json and xml kek.
>>536820848> develop a NextStep app in Objective-CWhy would you inflict this on yourself?If you like dinosaur stuff I know banks who pay really good money for COBOL devs.
>>536821172>search on stack overflow>get shitty garbage from 2008Never a fucking gain. I hope they are bankrupt
>>536821237Yeah but it works for me. If you hold its hand well enough it does things right most of the time, and it takes me less effort to correct it from time to time than to write everything myself.I feel less tired at the end of the day so I'm happier with it
>>536806496the h1b are so low iq, than they will keep failing massively while using AI
>>536821322>Why would you inflict this on yourself?Because it's based, because some of us like to do things for fun. The same reason why my friend went full retard and coded a Sega Genesis game in Motorola 68k assembly.
>>536821571> Motorola 68k assembly> For funThis level of autism is out of my league, I kneel
Musk is such a pretentious, self-aggrandizing asshole Just as you need a good copy editor and content editor to ensure an original written work (say a novel) is as refined as possible coding needs outside checking to keep it within the desired parameters ... all AI coding will shape code that is best for AIs not what's best for humans
>>536820369AI is being used to write research-grade math proofs. Systems architecture is a simpler problem than that. Code quality will increase, not decrease with purpose-built autonomous software development systems. The human role will be QA on the AI, not the actual coding. And already, vibe coding is way fucking better than the typical shit I see from jeet elite human crapital.
>>536822223> vibe coding is way fucking better than the typical shit I see from jeet elite human crapital.I don't want slightly less shitty shit, I want good products that are quick and reliable.I dread the tsunami of SLOP that's coming
Seethe, CEO-niggers and blue-collar fuckniggas. I'm a new grad making $110k + a $10k relocation bonus. I beg you to make more tech debt for me to clean up.
I study programming because what I want to do, an ai cannot yet do.
