Why was water usage such a big defense against AI? It’s not like water can actually go away. Unless their sending tanks of water to space and releasing it, how is water a diminishing resource?
>>536834704the reservoirs take a long time to refill Some of them are 1,000s of years old while others are a 100s
Look up mining boom towns and how they tapped shallow springs and the town died because of it.
>>536834791>>536834850I understand that it is a limited resource, but is the industry actually making a dent in general water availability or is it a psyop? Water vapor can’t be destroyed and will be the next currency once everything collapses
>>536835023Have you ever taken a sip of seawater?Clean water is hard to produce.
>>536835023Converting salt water to fresh takes a lot of energy. If you're a richfag on a yacht it's no problem, but for survival it could be one.
>>536834704I just oppose AI and datacenters because I do not want to live under WEF Agenda 2030.it's that simple.
>>536835023I'm not a geologist, but you know the data centers aren't building the local community so losing a resource to an outsider is weak.
>>536835023If it's such a big nothing burger then why not use sewage water & more gas turbines
>>536835023why is sahara all sand when theres so much water in the mediterranean sea?
>>536835160>>536835296Oil takes way more energy to refine than refining seawater to potability. And oil doesn’t evaporate into the air to be used again
>>536834704I think they are talking about load.Data centers use alot of water so will be drawing more than the citizens which might lead to things like low pressure and wonky waterline shit esp if they are old water lines.im also assuming tech illiterates assume that theres nuclear reactors or radiation so it contaminates water.Funny how they dont even talk about fracking and watertables anymore
>>536835459>He thinks corpos will pay for it instead of dumping it on retarded mutt consumersngmi
Anony the US is experiencing the worst draught in recorded history.Data Centers also notoriously cause severe"heat island effect" in the surrounding areas, exacerbating water usage for the community.All this has nothign to do with being a climate monger but real physical tangible concerns.
>>536834704>>536835023a data center plops down where they can suck up a lot of fresh water, which is an increasingly scarce resource. they need fresh water because salt or contaminated water would quickly corrode their cooling systems. in many designs, the water is additionally treated with chemicals to make it more efficient as heat transfer, making it toxic and non-viable for release back to the water system. in the cases where the water is returned to the system, it comes back significantly warmer than it left, which disrupts local ecosystems and also unlikely to reassimilate locally (eg: anywhere close to the water supply it came from). sure, the water molecules themselves don't disappear, the usable, clean, cool fresh water in a given region absolutely does. a data center drawing millions of gallons a day from a river or aquifer in an already water-stressed area like the southwest is essentially converting a local public resource into heat and chemical waste. the water "goes away" in every practical sense. its a textbook example of capital offloading the costs onto public resources and infrastructuretldr:- data centers gobble of fresh water- data centers poison water- data centers heat water- data centers don't return water to the water supply- loss of water disrupts local ecosystems and communities - public pays a cost while tech company turns their water into profit
>>536834704Crops need water to grow.People need water to live.Fresh water is a limited resource.When a Data Center moves in and uses more water than 100,000 households each year its going to put a huge strain on the local water supply.Droughts will happen in places that never had them before.Your water bill will triple overnight and only get worse in years with low rainfall.All of this is being done so Mr Shekelberg can monitor your asshole in 4K HD 24/7 365 days a year while his AI algorithm predict when you will release your bowls with 98% accuracy in order to determine if you're a Bad Goy that needs to be locked up.
>>536834704It's because this polled well as rhetoric to get the attention of the vaxxed midwit population. It's not any more complicated than that. If saying it gave you cooties was effective they'd be saying that.AI is being set up as a boogie man and the Data Center psyop is to reach the masses who are too dumb to understand the other criticisms of AI that depend upon knowing shit about computers, intelligence, etc. The jews and fags who run the Empire fucked up and mismanaged it. Then they entered two risky wars to try and save it. They lost both. The economy will now fall apart and it will be better for them to have the public blame the ghost in the computer "AI" rather than the leadership who is directly responsible for this fuck up.
>>536836092>It's because this polled well as rhetoric to get the attention of the vaxxed midwit population
>>536836092>data centers don't use water and they started the iran war to cover it upnow this is some good schizo posting
>>536835687The worlds hard drive should be on the moon
>>536835947Yea! for sewage recharging aquifers and maintaining watertables.
>>536835355PERHAPS HE WAS UNCLEAR BUT YOU VILL EAT ZE BUGS ITS NOT OPTIONAL
I’m reminded of the greedy ass cotton farmers in eastern Australia that take more water than they’re supposed to because they get away with it. Green cotton fields and full water tanks surrounded by dry ass outbackThen the level of the river goes down to almost nothing, water stagnates and grows blue green algae and fucks the fish So you got this town getting fucked over because a some greedy rich fucks wanted to grow cotton But I’m sure data centers will be handled more responsibly
>>536836202Have you tried reading comprehension? it makes life a lot easier.
>>536836932ah, its not>my post was schizobut instead>you don't understand my schzio postclassic
>>536837039It's also true, which makes it non schizo and in fact makes yours the schizo post. That is because yours does not conform with reality. This is not a complicated concept you should consider it in addition to my original post.
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>>536837112>you don't adhere to my schizo reality, therefor you losewow, sucks for me I guess. this'll really keep me up tonight>inb4 "i win then"you're schizophrenic, you were gonna tell yourself you win regardless of when i get bored of entertaining you. what you were never gonna do though is make any better arguments, 80 iq ass tard
>>536837240You are unhinged and obsessed with a statement that you attribute to me but which I did not make. Hallucinations - imaging things that do not exist in reality - are classic schizo symptoms. Sort yourself out, I believe in you.
>>536834704Because the waste water dumped back into water ways is full of regulated chemicals and also unregulated chemicals known as," forever chemicals " polyfluoroalkyl substances, or pfas.Also, the waste water dumped back into the environment is hundreds of degrees hot. Dumping boiling hot water into lakes and rivers kills animals and beneficial bacteria. This is in addition to the water bill rates being jacked up for normal residents living near the ai data centers.
>>536834704>>536835023>Water vapor stays in the same area where the water evaporatedYou do realize that water vapor isn't stagnant right......right? It is carried on the wind currents and finally most of it falls out in the ocean which oh well there goes your fresh drinking water. It really isn't that hard to figure out. Read this story and keep in mind this is ONE data center using all that water.https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/data-center-backlash-georgia-water-use/
>>536835947>the water is additionally treated with chemicals to make it more efficient as heat transfer, making it toxicThis always amazing to me, that data centers don't use closed loop radiative cooling systems and instead add glycols and PFAS to the clean drinkable water flowing through their coolers, just because it's the quickest and cheapest solution possible. They don't NEED to use evaporation cooling or dump now slightly warmer toxic water back into the river. These things are getting trillions in funding to be built and they cheap out at every opportunity. Closed loop systems are 30-50% more expensive but still only amount under 5% of the data center's built cost.
>>536837374>Because the waste water dumped back into water ways is full of regulated chemicals and also unregulated chemicals known as,ok, now show reliable evidence of that. while we're on the topic of wastewater what is the effect of birth control and psych drugs entering the water supply?
>>536834704The coolant will poison the drinking water! And we will have to pay more for poisoned water.JEWS ARE LITERALLY POISONING THE WATERING HOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>536837467>without reporting or paying for itThere are municipal officials who are responsible for preventing that. They are the people who should be featured in a news story like this and also imprisoned. If you knew how anything worked you wouldn't be so easily punked by a news article written by jews.
>>536837628>data centers don't use closed loop radiative cooling systemsthey do, but it costs more money. thats why regulation is very important. if companies are held accountable for damage they do to communities and ecosystems, then the cost of closed loop systems are worth avoiding fines and lawsuits. but in areas where regulations are weak, they will build the cheapest cooling and simply externalize the costs
>>536837712>Blame the watch dog not the burgler stealing from you/poisoning you at the same timeThey should be featured in the news story but you can't ignore the other group instigating the actions which are screwing you over. I mean come on now.
>>536837821The thief gets the rope too but the watchdog is the one who has betrayed you. You don't beat a dog because he barks.
>>536837699ITS ALL AN ELABORATE PLOY BY BIG WATER FILTER
>>536837712And who paid them to "not notice" 30mil gallons of missing water?
>>536836092The people who so desperately want the data centers built, should have to ensure that their pet project does not do any harm to people, or to the environment, and that building the data centers does not explode the cost of living for the general public.The mouth pieces for getting the data centers built are among the wealthiest people, alive.They keep going on about how much we need the data centers built, and that the pay off for building them will be both exponential and infinite gains.In that case, let them foot the up front money for the building of the data centers.If it pays off great for us all, as they emphatically claim it will, let them then seek reimbursement for their up front investments from us, after.
>>536834704It's because so many people threatened by AI live in the LA desert
>>536837914the 'thief' sounds like a complete afterthought to you
>>536835023Retard of the day
>>536837953That's why the Watchdog gets the rope. Most of the time it's an inside job. That's why they are the important figure here. Let's find out who did what. Being shrill and repeating rhetoric in the jew press doesn't serve the interest of solving the problem it only serves to rile up the public and direct its attention. That is your clue that you're dealing with a stitch-up, newfag.
>>536837978its great, a lot of whites are being displaced by this. these are the ones who are uber racist, barely socialized, act like boomers goyim.
It's not about water, oil, food, inflation, war, it is about fear and control. We are living through an actual genocide. Most of my family is dead since covid. They think it's funny. You are being gaslit, subverted and poisoned every day.
>>536837991You don't get mad at a dog for barking. He's a dog, that's what dogs do. Thieves are part of the fabric of this world and we have ways of managing them such as the Watchdog.
>>536837679I doubt the seriousness of this response, desu.
Surely the technology to efficiently convert saltwater to freshwater exists but it’s being withheld until it becomes a catastrophic issue
>>536835160Maybe you shouldn't have sprinkled it on your shitty lawn for decades then.
>>536838101It's not for the retard I replied to it's for the retards who read it and might accidentally take them seriously.
>>536837820> and lawsuits. but in areas where regulations are weak, they will build the cheapest cooling and simply externalize the costsMeaning the general public will end up paying for it. In taxes. Potentially, their health. Future medical bills, deaths and illnesses.
>>536838101By the way, what are the impacts of birth control and pysch meds on the water supply?
Like 90% of the time it's not.The other 10% of the time their plan is to build the data center in some flyover that already has its water depleted due to farming, or in caliwali where the locals already have to ship in their water from 1,000 miles away.Like most issues leftoids are retarded and they've poisoned the well for this issue, it actually did matter in many states where there's not plentiful free water.
>>536837930THAT WON'T WORK!!!!!!!!!!
>>536838277They build them in places where former industrial enterprises necessitated the building of a large water system. Those industries have left and the towns are left to pay for the oversized water system as a result. Industrial users like a DC search for locations based on the availability of such infrastructure because it's costly to build out new.
>>536834704I offer my semen as a means to an end to provide coolant for the data center that handles and stores data for the ultimate White Sigma Male Gigachad. Put it to good use, I am recharging my load, use it well.
>>536838069'thieves' aren't a virus, naturally occurring without agency. they're conscious actors with agency, moral function, and responsibilityif you think criminals are truly without agency, call for all prisons to be emptied. its not the criminal who should be punished, but the 'watch dogs' who allowed them to commit crime. do it pussy, you fucking won't and we all know you won't >>536838196yes, of course. its a story as old as america. capital exploit the resources and enjoys the profits, the public is left footing the bill and the black lung>>536838277>Like most issues leftoids are retardedexcept the data centers are being built in texas, in tennessee, in utah, etc. its not a left vs right issue, its a you vs capital issue. if you own 100m in meta stock, maybe this is all good for you. if you don't, you're just a cuck for billionaires
>>536838410>'thieves' aren't a virus, naturally occurring without agency.You say that but all evidence of every society throughout history suggests that thieves will always turn up. You deal with them however you see fit but their existence is uncontroversial. Taking on the authority of the Watchdog means taking on responsibility for managing the thieves. If you betray your community in that role you are a greater danger to them than the thieves ever could be.
>>536838106Pretty sure they already use it in desert nations, and a few were hit in the Iran situation. So if they can build more of those plants here, I don’t think people need to screech over muh water. Libshits just hate Ai because it calls niggers monkeys and makes their art degrees worthless.
>>536837914I see what you are trying to say while yes the watchdog is guilty I'm not arguing against you with that but it sounds like you are downplaying the thiefs actions. The thief is the reason you need a watchdog in the firstplace.
>>536838499The thief is an inevitable presence. It is unsophisticated and predictable. Like a storm it will come. You don't try to eradicate the rainstorm you build a roof. If the man who builds roof makes yours out of straw instead of wood is he the problem or is the rain the problem when your roof falls in?
>>536838451>he didn't call for prisons to be emptiedI knew you wouldn't even engaged with the point. you've put yourself in an undefendable position because you've decided the local government is the bad guy and then worked backwards from a belief that doesn't deliver you to a functional principle. you found yourself having to pretend the foundation offender is a non-entity, yet you know you can't actually admit thats your position because of how retarded it isgo back to the kitchen on this one. you didn't cook
>>536838162You are the retard, in the exchange.I told you data centers spit poisoned and high temperature water back into the environment. Which is indisputably harmful. To which you responded>Hurrrr durrr>Why is waste waters bad???>Huuurrrrr duuurrrrr>There is medicines in water from birth control pills too!!! hurrdurr>What about that?huuuurrrrdur
>>536838617don't get me started on almonds. or golf courses
>>536838549You are right in arguing there will always be thieves but you shouldn't just count thievery as a ho hum common occurence that you just have to put up with. High trust societies is what makes the thieves far less common and easier to find out but it sounds like you are used to living in a low trust society and using it as the standard for everything.
>>536838613Why would I engage with that point? It was stupid and irrelevant to the concept. If you empty the prisons you are being the corrupt Watchdog. Crime will be done by those prisoners because most of them are criminals. Like dogs, they will bark. The prison is there to manage them and emptying the prison is reneging on your responsibility to your community. It's impossible for the imprisoned criminal to do crime while he is in prison. It is impossible for a company to steal metric shitloads of water if the Watchdog makes even an attempt to do their job.
>>536838638>I told youI don't trust your judgment and you are not a source. It is almost certain that you are repeating bad information and/or incapable of interpreting information. You have not demonstrated otherwise.
>>536838699We don't treat them that way, that is why we have The Watchdog. Do you see yet why their betrayal is so important? If they find that they cannot effectively perform the role or do not wish to they can hand it over to someone else. Power/authority and responsibility are two sides of a coin. You must take this seriously if you wish to operate a complex society.
>>536838699>>536838818The "High Trust Society" is just one that has had effective Watchdogs for long enough for people to relax and be comfortable that they will perform their job.
>>536838617Do the almond factories poison the water with forever chemicals, ( which are unregulated chemicals ) and regulated chemicals and heat it up so much that when it is put back into the water streams, that it makes them unlivable for the native flora and fauna?Because that is exactly what the data centers, do.
>>536834704>how is water a diminishing resource?Fresh water that you can access is a diminishing resource. If you drain the fresh water sources faster than they can be replenished by rain then they dry up. Aquifiers, resevoirs, lakes, rivers, if you take water out of them faster than the rains put it back in then they dry up. The water might be in the ocean or it might be in a rain cloud; but if its not on the ground where you can get at it then it doesn't do you any good.
>>536838773Stfu, plebbitnigger
>>536838818I'm not downplaying their betrayal because they are just as guilty as the thief essentially working in cahoots with them in a way. It just seemed punishing the thief which does discourage other thieves is an afterthought putting all attention on the watchdog.>>536838848What makes it high trust isn't because the Watchdogs themselves are more effective it is because the people themselves are more effective at wanting a better society for themselves holding watchdog figures to account to make sure they are doing their job and don't put up with them slacking off. This is precisely why we are a low trust society now or at least part of the reson is because no one holds the watchdogs to account anymore so they do what they want. What reflects a high vs a low trust society is the people themselves and what they are willing to tolerate/what they want their society to look like not the watchdogs themselves making it high trust on their own.
>>536839086>just as guiltyNO. They are much more guilty. Exponentially. This is the same principal as taking care of traitors before invaders. The internal traitors are more dangerous. That's why we hate leftoid retards (you).
The surface area of the great lakes is immense. The constant rainwater refills them. The transportation of water is the issue. This becomes a problem when desert-bound tech industries need to pay for water transportation. The water isn’t the problem, it’s the collection and transport that really causes financial issues
>>536835023>or is it a psyopPartially a psyop, AI companies are actually funding the other side to stick to the water point because they think they can eventually come up with more efficient ways to run it and rugpull the water argument altogether.What they really fear is a copyright legal case going through and setting a precedent against their theft, the last thing they want to hear is the public rallying around collective data rights because one bad case could topple the entire industry. It's why you also see the "We can't let China win the AI race!" psyop that isn't even targeting the public, it's targeting politicians to make them not want to vote for regulations. The political class literally believes that anti-datacenter protests are being funded by China lol.
>>536834704The new data centres are not using water for cooling. Especially not large amounts of diverted fresh water like a traditional mine or factory. They have to move from copper which produces heat to using photons or light so not as much heat is produced. They use coolants which need changing but thats also changing. I am invested in a company that produces natural halloysite nanotubes, i believe a lot of this new cooling technology, especially things to do with thermal paste and concrete products for insulation etc will use nanotubes in them to create highly effective heat sheilds which are very thin as the tubes allow heat dissipation. These nanotubes can also be used to make roman concrete where they pack these nanotubes full of bacteria and lime to create roman self healing concrete. This is just my thesis which is unproven.
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>>536839250Calm down supreme faggot I think you shoved your tampon too far up your ass. Everything your arguing can be summed up with essentially the buck stops with the people themselves because they tolerate the behavior and aren't holding their authority figures to their responsibility. The people's indifference is what created these traitors in the first place since you are giving them power and authority yet do nothing to make sure they are using for the right reasons. Do you disagree?
>>536839308Clean it up goyim.
>>536837953Fuck that little shit... he looks like he's about to shit his pants and this is how you attempt tp sway the masses against the Chad reptile? Hahahahahaha...>Team Reptile ALL THE WAY
>>536839480Yes. The people need leaders that represent them but unfortunately we're in a corruot system where publications and politicians blow smoke up their ass and if the people were to take matters into their own hands to choose a non-political solution it would lead to partisan violence that would lead to destabilization and suffering all because the only way into leadership is to get onboard with the real psychopaths that gatekeep funding and publicity so that only the person they want gets to lead. In any scenario it's all bad and it isn't the people's fault for that.
stop noticing
>>536839308Some of it undoubtedly is.But that fact that CCP China is using data centers to go after America, almost doesn't matter. What is more important is that the bigwigs want to build their data centers in a way that harms the people and the environment in various ways, including making the people pay for them to get built, when it doesn't have to be that way.The people and corporations who want the data centers built should pay to build them in a clean way that does not increase the cost of living, for anybody.This is totally feasible. But it is more expensive. They can do it. But they are trying not to do it in a clean way that costs regular Americans, nothing.>>536837973
Nobody cared about data center water usage until it became clear China was losing the AI Race.
>>536839411nanotubes can do literally anything except be manufactured at scale at a reasonable costuntil your cooling tech can beat the cost of "heat water then dump water", your product is not viable
>>536834704Now that I think about it, isn't water vapor like 10x stronger as a greenhouse gas than CO2? This is going to have huge warming effects
>>536834704People are prideful these daysIts hard for them to admit they were wrong When People who had a knee jerk reaction to ai ended up being wrong they had no choice but to double down else their pride would be hurt.
>>536839779Most of the data centres are being built in areas with low or stressed water supply
>>5368397777's confirm. Also China steals our water too
>>536839779Nanotubes don't do all that he said as effectively as cheaper solutions and they are still expensive and even more harmful if not contained and leach into the water supply or internal air. Imagine a bunch of thermal conductive aersols in a data center filled with electronics.
I live in the Great Lakes area. There used to be water conservation ads on the tv when I was a kid. I never understood the point either. But I never lived anywhere where water was in short supply.
>>536834704fusion energy for unlimited power. It is being supressed because big oil companies want to make more money.
