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Lockheed Martin says it cannot tell allies when they will receive Patriot PAC-3 missiles because the US government - not the company -decides who gets them first.

https://www.ft.com/content/b4b42e9e-925e-4e58-a55c-fc966ef269f7?syn-25a6b1a6=1

The company plans to increase production from 650 missiles annually to 2,000 - but not earlier than by 2033 under Pentagon contract, but demand has surged due to conflicts in Ukraine and Iran. Countries including Germany, Japan, Poland, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE face uncertainty over deliveries as Washington prioritizes missile allocations.

Daily reminder Bolanda spent $25bln on its Patriot batteries. Poland has officially a stockpile of 208 interceptors now after part of the system went operational in 2025. This small stockpile would be depleted extremely fast if used in a large-scale conflict, but i believe the situation is even worse because Bolanda most probably donated all these PAC-3s to Ukraine.

So now Bolanders after spending $25bln are probably left with pretty much nothing and can observe live like Russian saturation attacks in Kiyv render these AD systems completely useless xD

Muwaffaq Salti (Al-Azraq) Air Base in Jordan hosting USAF F-35s features now the densest and most actively tested Patriot deployments worldwide : 3 batteries layered with one THAAD battery and it still gets fucked by primitive Iranian missiles right now (vid-rel). FENTCOM hasnt confirmed but some damage is visible (maybe debris) + video proving that most PAC-3s fails to intercept incoming missiles.
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>>536839746
i expected there to be 650 missiles per state. youre telling me the entire usa has 650 defense missiles to cover its entire area per year? i guess we think our stick is really big
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>>536839746
We have SAMP/T NG in Europe and IRIS-T SLX is under development. Hopefully we can replace Patriot eventually.
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>>536840226
Only 650 PAC-3 is being produced a year for needs of the US and all customers/allies worldwide as of today.

China dominates 90% of processing/magnets critical for guidance/propulsion, export controls cause delays. Other bottlenecks are solid rocket motors (hyper-consolidated suppliers, long lead times 24-30 months), seekers (Boeing production) and Camden, AR final assembly line and sub-tier supply chain (microelectronics, components, skilled labor issues).
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Israeli, South Korean and Turkish defense firms have long-range AD either available or under development too.
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>>536840454
European alternatives face even tighter bottlenecks than Patriot. SAMP/T stocks were rapidly depleted in Ukraine with Kyiv reportedly running out of Aster missiles for its batteries by mid-2025, forcing Italy to double production. France and Italy have very limited stockpiles for their own needs

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2025/05/27/italy-to-double-missile-interceptor-production-as-ukraine-runs-out/

Germanys Defence Minister Boris Pistorius has repeatedly stated that Berlin has exhausted much of its own air defence capacity. After delivering over a third of Germanys Patriot systems and multiple IRIS-T units (with many lost in combat), he admitted Germany can no longer send additional Patriot or large numbers of IRIS-T systems without compromising its own critical readiness they are waiting for replacements and must retain training stocks

https://united24media.com/latest-news/germany-says-it-cannot-send-more-patriot-air-defense-systems-to-ukraine-15354

IRIS-T SLX (longer-range) is still under development with series production only expected around 2029. Production ramp-up is slow with multi-year backlogs to 2030. Overall, Europes fragmented industry, limited missile output (Aster only 100/year currently) and supply chain issues make scaling far harder than US Patriot efforts
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>>536839746
PAC-3 MSE are very effective at intercepting missiles, almost 100% kill rate with the right radar. You need enough of them though and it's literally not my problem anymore.
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The worlds top two tech/defense powers (US + Japan) must now beg China - their strategic rival - to lift rare-earth export bans after years of "decoupling" promises. Exposes failed diversification and raw dependency on Chinas mercy for magnets, EVs, chips and missiles xD

https://asia.nikkei.com/politics/international-relations/japan-china-tensions/us-asks-china-to-resume-rare-earth-exports-to-japan
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>>536840758
>(with many lost in combat)
Poles can't help themselves shitting on Germany, right?
so far, 1 IRIS-T SLM launcher and two radars have been visually confirmed damaged/destroyed. That is not a lot for a short/medium-range AD system.
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>>536839746
Good thing Poland will produce PAC-3MSE missiles then
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>>536843230
Yeah, it will, just after Westinghouse nuclear power plants that still exist only on paper 4 years after the contract xD
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>>536843321
the nuclear reactor is being build on time
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>>536843387
2022: Westinghouse is being officially chosen

2024: 2 years of a delay announced, first concrete shifted to 2028.

2028: We will see xD
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>>536843451
the contract was singed in 2024
site documentation - 2 years pretty standard
building all infrastructure needed to build reactors - 2 years pretty standard

it's literally going all according to Plan
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>>536843451
the contract was singed in 2024
site documentation - 2 years pretty standard
building all infrastructure needed to build reactors - 2 years pretty standard

it's literally all going according to Plan
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>>536843583
The key contract for Polands first nuclear power plant was signed in December 2022.

https://pej.pl/en/press-center/news/polskie-elektrownie-jadrowe-and-westinghouse-electric-company-have-signed-an-agreement-defining-principles-of-cooperation-in-the-preparation-of-the-construction-process-of-the-first-nuclear-power-plan/#content

The 2024 delay refers to the first nuclear plants operations being pushed back from 2033 to 2036. This delay was announced on December 11, 2024 by Deputy Minister Wojciech Wrochna.

Source: NucNet (2024): https://smr.nucnet.org/news/new-schedule-sees-three-year-delay-for-first-nuclear-power-plant-12-4-2024

Anyways, explain to me, dear retard, how is Bolanda supposed to "produce" PAC-3 MSE if the only thing it is technologically capable to do is a nigger-tier assembly and i already explained that Mutts choke on supply bottlenecks? - >>536840454

xD
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>>536840582
Korea is sold out. People are bitching that Korea won't sell them to Ukraine as example but even if they wanted to they can't produce enough for their current contracts. They haven't been able to deliver anything to Iraq yet as its all going to their domestic army first, then the UAE and SA.

(not to mention ukraine gave korea shit from the start of the war and downplayed their capabilities to help ukraine which made both sides dislike each other and now you have ukraine cunts wanting korean anti air defense after it was proven to be 96% effective in the current gulf war. kek).
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>>536843771
>https://pej.pl/en/press-center/news/polskie-elektrownie-jadrowe-and-westinghouse-electric-company-have-signed-an-agreement-defining-principles-of-cooperation-in-the-preparation-of-the-construction-process-of-the-first-nuclear-power-plan/#content
financing and final deal was singed in 2024 you low IQ retard

Poland will have no problem in producing PAC3-MSE both RTX and Boeing have their biggest EU facilities in Poland
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>>536843915
RTX (including Pratt & Whitney) in Bolanda produces components for the F-35 and commercial jets, builds landing gear and maintains MRO services, meanwhile Boeing here does avionics, structural engineering and a parts distribution center. None of this has anything to do with missile (interceptor) production. Anyways, you still havent answered my question xD
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>>536844246
USA does not need chinks for anything

rockets are not hard for country like Poland
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>>536839746
>allies

We don't have allies anymore.
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>>536844317
>rockets are not hard for country like Poland

So why Bolanda cant build even one functional ballistic missile for needs of military?
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>>536844660
>So why Bolanda cant build even one functional ballistic missile for needs of military?
Poland is literally building 3 different rocket engines right now
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>>536844852
The "greatest" most kosher ally of Bolanda despite more than three years of negotiations, like $100bln spent on American legacy ass-tier shit-weapon has still not agreed to transfer production of GMLRS missiles to Poland. xD

https://www.fakt.pl/polityka/nie-ma-zgody-usa-na-transfer-technologii-general-to-ich-biznes/5jbmsfm

Fkn low-tech crap, 70 km range, sub-10 meter GPS "accuracy" etc. Amerimutts consider even such African-tier tech as too advanced for Bolanda. Meanwhile Iran, a brownskinned country where people still use cars from 70s due to decades of US-American sanction develops hypersonic glide tech xD

Russian EW degraded GMLRS accuracy in Ukraine with plenty of reports describing HIMARS/GMLRS as "completely ineffective" (kek) in some contexts, missing targets by 15+ meters which forced reduced/scaled-back use.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/05/24/russia-jamming-us-weapons-ukraine/

Amerimutts dont want to share with Bolanda even such failed and toothless technology. This is insane xD

Yiur claims about "rocket engines" probably refer to experimental space launchers. Engines like TLPD and SF-1000 are for civilian space projects, not for fieldable ballistic missiles. Two tiny startups that fail to deliver anything operational for long years, only eat subsidies xD
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>>536839746
>Bolanders after spending $25bln
Reminder its my money
I want it back
Pay debt pooland
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>>536843915
Take the L mate
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>>536845105
i am referring to 3 new rocket engines that are being build by the army your AI is hallucinating

>cezary tomczyk "we are in advanced talks about GMLRS production in Poland"
>Russian EW degraded GMLRS accuracy in Ukraine with plenty of reports describing HIMARS/GMLRS as "completely ineffective" (kek) in some contexts, missing targets by 15+ meters which forced reduced/scaled-back use.
russians are losing in ukraine so they are probably lying

>>536845301
go back to chug tranny
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>>536845405
What engines? Give names of the projects and name of companies that supposedly develop them.

The US of A halted negotiations about production of GMLRS in Bolanda recently. 3 years of efforts to the trashbin

https://meta-defense.fr/en/2026/03/17/gmlrs-himars-pologne-k239/
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>>536845639
i am sure the french opinion piece is correct XDDDDDD

ask your chink AI about the engines my Opus 4.8 got it first try
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>>536839746
>FENTCOM
lmao, some of you Bolanders are alright.
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>>536845719
Defence24 is Bolandas leading defence portal, deeply integrated with the military and defence industry and it confirms the news from the French site.

https://defence24.pl/przemysl/polski-himars-w-impasie-co-blokuje-produkcje-rakiet
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>>536845799
>https://defence24.pl/przemysl/polski-himars-w-impasie-co-blokuje-produkcje-rakiet
old news
tomczyk said talks are progressing
your shit chink AI can't look up the most basic of info
why is everything thats made by chinks so dogshit???
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It blows my mind that they still haven't ramped up the production. Iirc Ukraine has used less than 700 missiles during the entire war, while they blasted over 1000 during the first DAY of the iran chimpout.
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>>536845930
If Bolanda was greenlit for domestic production of HIMARS rockets and PAC-3 interceptors, official announcements would appear on the websites of Lockheed Martin (the prime contractor for both systems), the US Department of Defense, the DSCA which manages Foreign Military Sales and the US State Department, which handles export licensing. Subcontractors like L3Harris might also publish related details. Meanwhile none of this happened. You say that some faggot Tomczyk said something. Thats ridiculous xD
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>>536846167
you are just stupid and your chink AI can't save you
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>>536839746
it takes 2 years to make patriot missile btw.
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>>536846093
These things are very complicated and use a lot of rare earths to manufacture. You can't just 'ramp up volume' like its that easy. Parts and materials are difficult to come by and the machining and custom chips used in them are hard to produce.



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