How it starts:>there should be a minimum livable amount any job has to pay>there should be public services we all pay based on income and we're all equally entitled to>workers need to have legal protection from being unreasonably fired on a whim>there should be collectively paid neetbux for people who are unable to work or trying to find a job(all reasonable btw don't get me wrong)How it ends:>government needs to raise worker's wages (bc everyone makes min wage)>there should be more openings for government jobs to fix this unemployment>with this rampant unemployment and poverty, workers need more legal protection from being fired>government needs to give neetbux to millionsIs there a solution to this?
Equity is a social construct. Reality is inherently hierarchical. Grow up
>>536852721do you even understand what I'm saying you useless imbecile? what is my point?
>>536852627>Is there a solution to this?no. It's an eternal debate. Also times change, which means sometimes society should lean left or right depending on what works best for our current circumstances.
>>536852768>which means sometimes society should lean left or right depending on what works best for our current circumstances.as in? what circumstances?
>>536852763Yes faggot, your point is that you want just a tiny little bit of enforced equity, not too much, just what YOU personally are comfortable with (because you'd maximize YOUR gains and minimize YOUR losses)Eat shit
>>536852856That's not even close to what I'm saying and the point I was trying to illustrate.I tried to not make it too subtle kek. Fucking midwits. You never get the point unless its right in your face and obvious as fuck, and you're always the most smug commenters.I'll explain if you ask nicely.
>>536852627By power directorSpain is just PAIN
>>536853020No faggot, you are just too stupid to see the direct causal link between the second and first parts of your post. The decay into the fake and gay economy is inevitable because it's BAKED INTO your premise. It's neither an accident of incompetence or a result of corruption; it's the natural course of events. But you are too stupid to see how stupid you are
>>536853723Oh there is a causal link and that's exactly my point.I specifically said it starts out as minimum wage for absolute shit jobs, and ends up as "raise worker's wages" BECAUSE EVERYONE IS POORER so most of them make min wage, so in their mind, the govt sets the wageIDIOT!!
>>536852627>Support systems that entice strong families and literal medieval Spanish values (no, fascism is LARPing as something we never were)>Limit max wealth (if you're super mega rich and own a corpo, it becomes the state's. It you steal from the state, you get hunted down and shanked. >This also applies for banks, which are triple-checked and not allowed to do usury in any form. >If shits gonna collapse, do a controlled demolition where people can live comfortably >Long term plans, long term products. It's literally that easy.
>>536854268whatmuh max wealth is childlike thinking. "why does elon have so much money! there should be a 1 billion cap and if you got that much just be content with it!" its just so retarded. there's no real benefit or reasoning for this other than the childlike thinking of "he has too much" after being upset by a big numberbanks are already triple checked and everything they do is mandated by the central bank, which is a government entity>If shits gonna collapse, do a controlled demolition where people can live comfortably?>Long term plans, long term products.literally all businesses want to last and have long term planslong term products make sense but look at clothes, women throw them away anyway even if they look new, kek
>>536852627This isn't a socialism problem. It's a modernity problem. This kind of shit happens to companies and corporations, even. I forget what it's actually called, but I refer to it as "bureaucratic creep". A lot of people still talk about shit like proletarian vs bourgeoisie, or government vs liberty, or any other such dichotomies. But the reality is that the 20th century was the silent revolution of the managerial class, who always grow in size, who infiltrate government and private, economic or cultural, institutions. Once this managerial class gains position and influence in society, it becomes a kind of self-perpetuating organism that seeks to grow itself and it's influence over society. Because they don't produce anything of value themselves, they are innately a rent-seeking class that can only exist on the backs of the work of others. But it is also empowered by the state, either directly by employment, or indirectly via private sector regulation, which the state relies upon for it's population management and indirect suppression (e.g welfare, public healthcare, etc.). Eventually it reaches a size where it has consumed so much of society, or that business (e.g before Musk got twitter, he fired over 90% of the staff that were working there before and literally nothing changed) that it has become entrenched and is incapable of being properly rooted out without risking the entire social or political entity. As an example: even at it's hieght, the Soviet Union's government spending to GDP ratio was only 49%. Nowadays France is 59%(meaning 59% of all spending in France is done by the state).The managerial elite has consumed all of society, become indispensable to the system's elite and the function of society, and only even inevitably grows. It happens to every great society over the long term. All of them. There is only one solution: the system has to be burned down every 70 years and rebuilt from scratch in a kind of forest-fire type situation.
socialism never worked and never willits the dumbest of all
>>536855144Ok but can we have a serious debate as to why, when governments try applying just a little bit of socialism with some reasonable policies, it still keeps creating poverty and evolving into more and more socialism? Or are you all too retarded?
>>536856320the concept is crap, whats there more to understand!!
>>536854575Max wealth needs to have a soft cap because people with too much power are a threat to the state and to the people. No massive inheritance= no Bill Gates There should be ways to either assimilate the rich into the lower classes or make it so the risk is as high as the reward.And usury IS allowed at the moment. Same for wordy contracts written in hell itself that are India tier scams yet perfectly legal and binding.
>>536858200KeK!!!Rich people do not have the monopoly of violence. They're nothing to the government. The government destroys entire industries with a single regulation they can pass in a day.Right now in Spain, housing is expensive because the government decrees it so. So many big corps want to build more homes, which would increase supply and thus lower prices (incomprehensible I know), and according to you they could join forces to "be a threat to the state", yet in reality they are a joke to the state.
>>536858200another example: amazon was going to mention the tariff influence on the price in the US, trump gave jeff bezos a call and told him to know his place, so the measure was called offrich people do not have the monopoly on violence, can't pass laws that are enforced on anyone, and are a joke to the government. they're only powerful in movies.
If you make it hard to fire people you also make it hard to get hired.
