HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, EU KEKS NEVER LEARN.
Good. I want yurop destroyed so we can colonize it.
Remember when Euros on this board thought China was going to be their friend? lol
How will this affect me buying anime figurines exactly?...fucking tariffs man I'm not paying for that shit
>>536881226Trade war? With what? What have EU to offer that China doesn't?
>>536881226Nothing will happen....just some arguments will exchanged between brothers.
>>536881305please, you couldnt beat rice farmers with rusty soviet weapons
China will be unscathed.But europe will end up in worse shape.
>>536881427well they're chinese cartoons...
>>536881305No we are not reverse colonizing like a bunch of niggers. It's up to us to maintain european values now.
>>536881390>>536881305>>536881450>>536881484>>536881802EU has to prevent china from product dumping their cheap over manufactured good to protect what little domestic production they have left. If they don’t, EU industrial capacity will completely collapse and they will become 100% reliant on imports for basic things like cars and medical equipment
>>536881226what?
>>536881779Yeah bro, we couldn’t do anything in that country we squatted in for 20 years and they couldn’t do fuck all about it until we left. And it was a fucking police action, when we actually go to war which hasn’t happened in 80 years we’re going to melt you off the face of the earth.
>>536881305With what? Mexibraps?
>>536882020Do Europeans actually buy European cars? Or do they all just drive Toyotas and Hondas too?
>>536882020>to protect what little domestic production they have left.In practice it actually just means the average euroean will take the bus or bicycle instead of buying a car.Lowered productivity ensues.
>>536882145Europeans buy 74% of all European made cars
>>536881226Anglo media out in full force again, vasalls in europe will of course follow the US demands. We know whats the end goal is, hope you ve good plans to escape the palantir assisted draft.
>>536882218If it keeps manufacturing in europe then thats fine to price out poors
>>536882073jeets
>>536882020>EU has to prevent...EU has tight quality regulations for products which allowed to be sale at EU area...probably too tight to please China.
>>536882248lol suckers
>>536882145We do buy a lot of european cars. But china is changing that. The main issue is that China are dumping their goods to kill our industry so we aren't competing on the same rules (if such a concept even exists). However we let China fuck over our industry because DAS KRAUT wants to 1/ Destroy Europe (as always)2/ Chinkz with their tiny dicks were fan of DAS GROSSE AUDI Q8 so germans wanted to please china so they could buy more of their GROSSE GARBAGEHowever it's over now: chinkz don't care about kraut cars anymore
>>536882291>If it keeps manufacturing in europelol
>>536881427If it's anything like us, you'll be fine. Can order figures from China all day and not have any tariffs. Now when I order from Japan.. for some fucked reason, it gets held at customs, I gotta fill out multiple forms stating what it is, how much it is, what the material is and the cost. Then have to pay an additional import fee.
>>536881226A trade war they've already lost. Europe has no industry, no resources and they're losing more and mroe human capital as years go by.
>>536882399Precisely why they are doing it bud, congrats, you played yourself
>>536882369Nope...your cars really sucks....should be illegal to sell them here at all. Piece of junk every last of them....you cars don't have any tolls here and those still not sell.
>>536882519China has no market though, they have warehouses and lots fill of finished product they cant sell and are 300% debt to gdp
>>53688122670 years too late
It's fucking funny how EUropoops made fun of the US starting a trade war with China, which they had to back off eventually, because no chance of winning.Now the EUcucks, who are way way below the US start their own shit against CN, thinking they somehow have chance or anything.China should not hold back and totally and ultimately trash the EU.
>>536882519BRICSHITSKINSASSEMBLE!!!THE WHITE MAN MUST BOW TO GLORIOUS CHINA
>>536882560Europe make up 7% of the world’s population but account for over half of all american vehicle exports, more than canada and mexico combined
>>536882678Mbute desperately trying to fit in.
>>536882547Nah, european car makers died long before Chinese cars entered the market.Now enjoy your bicycle...made in China.
>this scares and confuses europoors
>>536881226germans still export a lot of cars to china, italy and france exports 1.5 billions worth of cheese and wine every year, all the wine and cheese producers in europe gonna be livid if china responds with import bans, not to mention that china can also start banning rare earth exports to europe, I don't see how they can win a trade war, what levarage do they even have? at least america is a large consumer of chinese products, but europe? huh?
>>536882653Go back to Turkey. You are not part of Europe.
>>536881226US has dropped to 8th in GDP/capita
>>536882653>start their own shit against CNWe didn't start shit you vile kraut. We are merly trying to apply the same rules to china that we give to our industry (and by merely I mean 0,00001% of those rules like "don't fucking subsided your industry to kill ours"). Chinkz should have been fined a loooong way ago but you vile KRAUTS blocked every investigation from the EU to plz your chink masters because you think it's funny to watch Europe die and your only salvation is selling your garbage Audi to chinkz
>>536881226fuck thembring it, we will let the game settle this
>>536882809>Chinkz should have been fined a loooong way ago but you vile KRAUTS blocked every investigation from the EU to plz your chink masters because you think it's funny to watch Europe die and your only salvation is selling your garbage Audi to chinkzAre the EU really going to escalate to investigating the chinese? Holyshit, thats gonna be a wild ride for the markets
>yeah so we're going to have a globalism, a world market for goods and services, international commerce across all the borders :)>NO NOT LIKE THATEU manufacturing is DEADIt's GONE you fucking strangled it to death with overregulation and underinvestment and 100 million nigger immigrants lowering every standard they come into contact withThere's nothing to protect any more, just let me buy my cheap Chinese garbage, I don't want to buy the expensive European garbage
>>536882782Cry more Finnshit>>536882809Your rules do no apply to China in any way.Your rules are more or less self-strangulation.You have 0 legit arguments to bring on table, needless to say you have also 0 cards to play with.Go suffocate on your own made up retarded rules, that serves nobody but some few lobbies and some retarded environmentists.
>>536882809>"don't fucking subsided your industryYou actually believe Vesta was not subsidised by the Danish government(who used to brag about how they invested into Vestas all the time)?Every country is subsidising their biggest industries.Your angry words can't trick the Chinese into unsubsidising their industries.
>>536882762Europe is a bigger consumer of Chinese throw away garbage ever since 2016 and Trumps first trade war. Look it up, it shocked me too. And by some metrics you were always the bigger buyers.So what would happen is the Chinese would have large tariffs from 2 of their biggest trading partners, with a large part of their other big customers (ASEAN trade block) wanting to follow suit. I wonder where China will sell all those electric cars? Do you think they have the power grid for that in Africa?
God help the EU. These idiots want to piss off every partner they need, whilst pleasing less important partners like India or Africa by giving them tonnes of visas.
>>536883018I thought it was strangled by the after the russian oil pipe to EU was destroyed by Biden due to ukraine?
>>536883188What european non-EU country should get all the visas anon? The swiss, UK, who else?
>>536882020>EU has to prevent china from product dumping their cheap over manufactured good to protect what little domestic production they have left.dont worry, the EU is activly killing its own industry so there is nothing left china could actually destroy.Just 2 regulations that will come in force the next 6 months will make sure of that, one is the methan regulation, which will make 45% of all gas imports and up to 90% of all oil imports into the EU illegal and you will have to pay fines to import it, and the "Overcapcity Law" which will make basically all raw resources taxed out the ass if you import them from china (which for many of those supply 90% of the global market).And the icing on the cake, the Emission trading system is still expanding, now beeing mandatory EU wide and priceing for CO2 will be increased even further.You need no enemies when you have bureaucrats ruling over you.
>>536882995Chinkz didn't even abide to EU laws (and those laws are made by ultimate cucks which favors every company but the ones from the EU).But the krauts blocked the EU Commission many time from enforcing their rules (like for example they do with american companies).>>536883085Kys you kaut cuck. You're so lucky the angloes saved your ass TWICE. >Your rules do no apply to China in any way.So tomorrow china can sell us poison we can't forbid them from doing so? We have to allow them to export it to us? You're so fucking dumb kraut shit.
>>536883315>>Just 2 regulations that will come in force the next 6 months will make sure of that, one is the methan regulation, which will make 45% of all gas imports and up to 90% of all oil imports into the EU illegal and you will have to pay fines to import it, and the "Overcapcity Law" which will make basically all raw resources taxed out the ass if you import them from china (which for many of those supply 90% of the global market).>And the icing on the cake, the Emission trading system is still expanding, now beeing mandatory EU wide and priceing for CO2 will be increased even further.That's insane. What's their objective, enacting these?
>>536882762>germans still export a lot of cars to chinaOh honey...
>>536883163Helping your industry is one thingGiving them unlimited money to make sure you can produce at loss and kill foreign industry is another.
>>536883282Personally, I thought Spain had the beginnings of an idea with Latin Americans. Until they went and started filling up on whoever. Its literally either that, the middle east or subsahara (in b4 from no where). Asia is in major demographic decline now.
>>536883199No this is the culmination of 30+ years absolute stagnation in domestic manufacturing due to hgih taxes, expensive emissions standards and any of a hundred other EU polciies that make it more difficult to make and sell a good product. Everything's been sliding downhill for a long time. If you bought a Mercedes Benz in the last 15 years you're a cuck and a freier, and any mechanic anywhere will tell you that. It used to be if your Mercedes was built in Germany it was bulletproof, if it was built in Africa it was garbage. Now there's no difference, they're both garbage.
>>536882519>no industryRetarded fucking spic it takes 5 secobds to google
>>536883487Apparently even pajeet filled india now has a lower birth rate than replacement, so yeah asia mostly will decline in population rapidly
>>536882064>Yeah bro, we couldn’t do anything in that country>>in..THAT.. country...Because the whole World knows Afghanistan is meant when talked about RICE farmers...Yeah, everybody knows the afghan Rice farmers.And there surely isnt another country you invaded and lost terribly..a country with, lets say.. rice farmers...Lol.. damn you uneducated mutts are just a joke.
>>536883379Still no argument, Francois Cuckery.It's you that is getting cucked, retard. The manufacturing all comes from China, EUpoofters have barely any industry left.You pay double the price for the same product in the end.It's more or less the same shitty tariff strategy by Trump, it won't make the industry come back.Pierre fils de pute, dumb as a brick.
Nah, we fine .Chillin.Nice try rabbi though.
is there anything that lives rent free in the minds of thirdies and americans more than europe? So much for all the times I had to hear burgers sharting about us being obsessed with them and them not thinking about us at all
>>536883180>Trade Balance Deficit (2025): −€359.8 billionthat's nothing, china is a 1.2 trillion dollar trade surplus with the world, europe is a rounding error, and they of course will never get that down to 0, at most they can chip away 100 billion from it, and get fucked in return, not to mention that a lot of shit will just circumvent tariffs like it happened to america, china sells to kazakhstan, and wow look at that imports to the eu from kazakhstan increased by 500% how did that happen! lmao>(ASEAN trade block) wanting to follow suitlmao good luck with your wishful thinking, asean is now getting completely fucked because of the war in iran, they can't afford not buying chinese goods
>>536883470>you can produce at lossChina doesn't make cars at a loss. They are profit driven businesses.>Helping your industry is one thingBoth sides do exactly this. China just does it at a larger scale, because Europe is not that big of a market, they are expanding beyond Europe.
>>536883636Why would I argue with a retard? >The manufacturing all comes from ChinaYea thanks to you you fucking traitor. Gross Sheisse. You're so fucking lucky we didn't end your vile race in 1918.
>>536883556Good point, the same could be said about america with NAFTA in the 90s. Where does the west go from here? Domestic manufacturing and production has proven to be far more valuable to societies than infinite stock market glitches
>>536882020>what little domestic production they have leftAnon EU has more manufacturing capacity than USA right now.
>>536883463chart shows that germans still export more cars than they import, and even if they did export less than they imported, the amount exported is still significant, people tend to get lost in the sauce but if your exports drop from 100 million to 70 million then you're still selling 70 million, losing that 70 million is still a massive blow
>>536881305They will all surrender.
>>536883636Trumps strategy worked though?
>>536882653The USA started a trade war with the whole wide world, retard.
>>536883735>China doesn't make cars at a loss. They are profit driven businesses.They do. Just like they did with solar panel. The EV is just the latest example where they produced so much car (due to state subsided) that even chinkz auto car makers like BYD struggle on their domestic market.
>>536882653>Now the EUcucks, who are way way below the USNot in manufacturing. USA is only ahead in high tech thanks to silicon valley. Remove Apple, Microsoft, Google and Nvidia from US stock market and fucking nothing is left. And all of those corps manufacture 90% of their shit in Asia. On machines made in EU.
>>536883449EU will save the world from burning up from climate change, by reducing CO2 and ushering a new agrarian medieval feudal regin over Europe.
>>536883463VW has massive factories in China.
>>536883759Kek, fils de pute has nothing to say.Your failure of a country pose around as a winner from the 2nd WW, while in reality you get blitz'd and trashed by Germany right after Poland.Now your country has become an islamic shithole, the original French that are left get regularly stabbed and overrun by lorries, lmao.
>>536883954>On machines made in EU.Whats stopping these machines from being installed in europe?
inb4 high tariffs on Chinese good but none on US goods.
>>536884015Much higher labor costs.
>>536883931>They do.Prove it baguette. You can't because it's a false accusation.
>>536883704Missing 25% is a rounding error? Then Japan and Korea have decided to go as well, you get to watch that happen.And then: the rest of the world is doing this too.>>https://gmk.center/en/news/brazil-imposes-anti-dumping-duties-on-chinese-steel-products/It was basically the U.S. and E.U. stopping countries from playing hardball with China, I dont think you get that. Keeping their developing country status and even subsidizing their postage. Fun is over.
>>536883994Look at that, Das Kraut is proud to have destroyed europe TWICE. He's not human: WW1 wasn't enough to him. >Now your country has become an islamic shitholeSame as the rest of europe. From top of the world to fucking shithole thanks to you. And the cherry on the cake is that you still don't have enough: Importing millions of shitskins in 2015, killing the domestic nuclear energy to make us dependant from Russia, killing our industry in favor of China.Fucking suicidal beast.
>>536883931>due to state subsidedactually its subsidiesed by the west, just like the solar boom in china in the early 2000s, its majority from the retarded subsidies that are given out be retarded/corrupt politicans to go for their "green deal".I wouldn't even be surprised anymore if china activly sponsores all the green activists.
>>536884015>t. has all his chip production in Taiwan and east AsiaWhats stopping these machines from being installed in the US?
>>536883994>Now your country has become an islamic shitholeHow the fuck is a literal German saying this?
>>536884331>literal Germanthat guy isn't German
>>536884322Nothing, some are?
>>536883886did it though? america's trade deficit only increased, like I mentioned earlier, tariffs just get circumvented, china exports more to mexico and mexico exports more to the usa, wow! the small decrease in 2025 also wasn't because america imported less, it imported more, but it was offset by america exporting a lot of their gold reserves to china>>536884177any day now, meanwhile china just recorded another record trade surplus with the world, you lost the trade war against china, and the eu has even less weight to throw around than the usa, I don't think you get that
>>536884331Anon Please. We are all equal under Allah.
>>536884237>>536884384You should ignore him because he's literally retarded. You can easily fix this with basic trade restrictions.>>536883886
>>536881305try and take it
>>536883886Ofc it did work. After the tariffs a shit load of EU company invested in the US, built factories, etc. to avoid taxes. More than ever the US are ahead of the EU.
>>536881802>China joined ETO> World economic pole shifted off its axisThis makes tremendous sense.
>>536884597>to avoid taxes.It was actually due to energy prices.
>>536884677Mix of both. And the US didn't wait for Trump to be one of the most protectionist country. They have a shit load of laws that forces you to build locally if you wanna sell something there. The EU is literally the only cuck in the entire world trusting that garbage economic meme about "free market and the invisible hand"
>>536884648What took Europeans 100+ years to build was all undone and reversed over the course of 20 years. It's quite fascinating.
>>536884597why is noone mentioning the Turnberry agreement, were trump basically strips the EU clean naked AND they have to pay him.. basically the US canibalizes the EU and they are ok with that, because of based urinien conflict rattling EU bureaucrats so much they are in his as up to the neck.
>>536881226Nobody needs china. China needs western markets more than the other way around. And we can find other poor countries to off shore to. In before >rare earthsThey aren't rare. China just specialized in their mining and refining. And the west is currenly hevily investing in this.
>>536882824RARE
>>536884820>The EU is literally the only cuck in the entire world trusting that garbage economic meme about "free market and the invisible hand"not really, the EU is just as protectionistic, look up the decade old tarifs on US imports (that trump abolished within weeks), the difference is, the US still has might (although dwindling), the EU never had anything and just leeched of the US.
>>536884415Except Mexicans have only imported 30 billion more in goods from China since 2016. And that's counting inflation.Meanwhile we really did move our factories to Mexico, our cross border trade is much more fair an equals almost 800 billion now. With a 160 billion deficit instead too. Counting remittances.You seem to assume all imports come from China in the end.And you never did answer where China plans to sell it's electric cars if not the west? They do keep working for market access. Doesn't seem like they can find other buyers, it's why so much of their ev companies are suffering.
>>536884910Lmao, this is what the average double digit IQ Westerner certainly is thinking.Good luck
>>536883825>chart shows that germans still export more cars than they import, and even if they did export less than they imported, the amount exported is still significantThat not how it works. The best selling cars in China right nowadays are all EVs. EV is just as cheap as electric scoots sold in the west. To give you some perspective, the cheapest EV sold in China in 2026, the Wuling Mini EV, starts from $4800, and you can also pay for the batteries separately on a 3-year-plan. The west simply can't compete with this pricing. And to make matters worse, the Chinese government have been scaling down on approvals for license plates for combustion engine vehicles. Which means even if VW can compete with the pricing of Chinese makers, there won't be as many buyers simply because there's not enough license plates getting approved by the government. German car industry is pretty much dead outside the premium market, and even it has been struggling recently.
>>536883966>by reducing CO2 and ushering a new agrarian medieval feudal regin over Europe.kek, they might be unironically planning for this too
>>536885013Is the rest of the world ready to make up for the loss in sales from the west? If so, why wasnt China selling to them to begin with? Were they being kind to us?
>>536882073dios nos prometió la tierra de ingerland
>>536881226I'm 100% convinced that China is egging Russia to wage war on the rest of Europe so all of Europe turns into a smoldering radioactive crater.Either that or encouraging racial civil war or unrest in Europe to divide and conquer the Euros.
>>536885040>and even it has been struggling recentlyOfc it's struggling: The big roaring engine is like 90% of the appeal of a premium car. With EV all of this is gone.Say good buy to Das GROSS audi with its V8
>>536883766>right nowLiterally for more than 40years. Worse is their tech thereof. A laser and an old, rusty mill is a whole shop over there.
>>536881779We have never lost tactically to anyone, including north vietnam nam/viet cong. Afghanistan for instance, also. We defeated them tactically and took their capital city within a month. The reason we are considered to have "lost" to these countries is because strategically, we didn't achieve the goal of making regime changes stick. Also, what other countries are even capable of conducting campaigns of such magnitude, with logistics that include fighting the war on the other side of the world? Think about it. Nobody does it but us.Iraq had the worlds 4th or 5th largest army. They lost in 100 hours.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn_SY87MUTghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC_ddF8IQGA
>>536884946a lot of words but none of them disprove what I said, america's trade deficit increased, china's trade surplus increased, even with the usa selling 100 billion dollars worth of gold from their reserves, quite curious isn't it, how does that happen? it's almost like america started importing more from other countries and china started exporting more to other countries hmmm, also a product doesn't have to come from china directly, if china makes flip flops for 2 dollars, sells it to peru, factory in peru makes flip flops for 3 dollars and sells it to the usa then technically they didn't resell chinese products, they made the flip flops in peru 100% but you see how it works right? if china exports cheap goods to countries, then those countries can export their slightly more expensive goods to america, like it doesn't matter how much you dance around the subject, the tariffs didn't work if the usa's trade deficit increased while china's trade surplus also increased>>536885040that is exactly how it works, if your mom gives you 50 dollars as pocket money a month and then she says that from the next month you only get 40 then that 40 is still relevant, you won't just say that nah fuck it, it's 10 dollars lower so it's basically nothing, the german cars sold to china still mean production in germany employing german workers, they'll have to close down if china stops buying, the idea that europeans will start buying them instead is naive, people have limits and cars aren't vital in europe, a lot of people will just say nah and take the metro
>>536885040>the Chinese government have been scaling down on approvals for license plates for combustion engine vehicles. Which means even if VW can compete with the pricing of Chinese makers, there won't be as many buyers simply because there's not enough license plates getting approved by the government.Ironically BYD now sells more ICE cars than EV... the just call them hybrids, because even china knows you can 100% electrify transportaion and its not even BYD alone, the "Hybrid" market picks up much more than the EV and in the next 2-3 years it will overtake domestic chinese market as most sold vehicle category.
>>536881226Guess they're also tired of China dumping on their local markets.
>>536885409>the just call them hybridsgonna be fun to check their CO2 emission after something like 10 yearsGod I hate the EU so much.
>>536881226>seems>could>maybe>possibly>reportedlyNothing. Ever. Happens.
>>536883993Yeah, guess where they're directed to....China! Its sales have been tanking ever since the rise of EV, and it has only been accelerating since then.
>>536885013>t. 85 IQ shitskinMy IQ is higher than yours, sand nigger. We are already decoupling from china, specifically with regards to mil tech. And rare earths. And, china needs the western markets more than we need china. That's why the marxist communist scum chinks are scarred, picrel.We don't need china, and jewish globalism is ending. And the factory of jewish globalism, china, will be hurt by this worse than anyone else.
>>536885498they are also now have an quite strong emergin market with "range extenders"... other would call it serial hybrids... but ya know...Also china has NO offical sealing for CO2 emissions... all they have commited to it is that they will reduces CO2 emission 10% form "peak emissions"... and china alone decides whenever they reach the "peak".Meanwhile the EU has defined absolute limits... with 90% emissions cut from 1990... till 2040... aka unreachable goals without total deindustrialisation.
>>536885408I dont think you understand how the dollar works. The us literally HAS to run a deficit to keep supplying dollars to outside parties. Otherwise there are no reserves for the "world reserve currency". Its very unpopular here.And where is your proof China is selling large amounts of goods through other countries? First you stated mexico, then I gave you proof that was impossible so you moved onto Peru? Post some proof, and in measurable, billion dollar scale (i also hope we didnt tariff many other countries too?)Also why wouldnt both surplus and deficit increase with all this inflation? Have you been under a rock post covid? Look how much more you pay for anything?
>>536885013Here you go dummy. The US/EU run massive trade deficits with china. We don't need their markets, they need ours. We can off shore to latin america for cheap labor, and re-localize much of the production as well. Jewish globalism is ending. Re-localization is happening. And the shitskin global south can't replace our markets either. So don't even think about it.
>>536885643>make it sound like it's a choice lmaoNo refined rare earth for you, mutt shit.It will take you at least a decade to set up anything, you have run out of any mil tech before that.You cannot even rebuild a bridge, or any infrastructure. You won't make it succeed.I think the likes of Trump, Von der Leyen and other retarded EU politicians are a good representation of their respective countries and people.https://asia.nikkei.com/politics/international-relations/japan-china-tensions/us-asks-china-to-resume-rare-earth-exports-to-japanPathetic mutts, lmao.
>>536885408>that is exactly how it worksNumbers speak differently though. Western zoomers simply can no longer afford luxury brands from the west so they're simply shifting to dirtcheap chink EVs. For them, car brands are no longer a status symbol. As long as it moves, it is money well spent.>the german cars sold to china still mean production in germany employing german workersThe problem is, the VW sales in China have been pretty much plummeting in recent years, and it's the main culprits behind the shrunken operating profit.
>>536885013By the way, we cucked china in venesuela. They were getting the majority of Ven oil, and getting at a discount. Now, WE get the majority, and they get 10%, and pay full price. They will ALSO not be getting the 100 billion dollar equivalent debt back that they had extended to Ven, which was being repaid in natural resources. And Ven is already massively increasing exports/production. Eat shit, BRICS boy.
>>536885939Nooo china will produce smartphone chips that will rival those from apple! china will produce ddr5!!china will produce gpus!!!anyday now!!
>>536881802INDIA SUPERPOWER YEAR 1 SAAR
>>536881450the entire chip industry critically relies in a single Dutch company for starters.
>>536885409>Ironically BYD now sells more ICE cars than EV62.2% of all cars sold in China in may was EV. The trend is unprecedented.
>>536885013And we are cucking china out of their discount Iranian oil/petroleum products currently as well. We shut down their black market fleet scam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxr00Vj1hN8
>>536885939>We don't need their markets, they need ours.You put this theory to the test in 2025. Then you regretted it.
>>536885863so suddenly trade deficits are good actually? lmao what was the point of starting a trade war and then losing it? such copethe proof is that china's trade surplus increased and america's trade deficit increased, how do you explain that, of course mexico and peru are just examples but name any country on the planet that you want, vietnam, laos, indonesia, kazakhstan, new zealand, canada, madagascar, whatever you want, china exports more to them (aka the world) and you import more from them (aka the world)inflation is irrelevant when you're talking about trade balances (1 dollar = 1 dollar), what does matter is currency exchanges (1 dollar = how much yuan?), and the yuan strengthened 10% against the dollar in that time frame, which means that people are willing to pay 10% more for chinese goods, which is not super surprising since there's a lot of stuff that only china makeshttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-19/china-transformer-exports-hit-record-value-on-global-shortage>>536886116again, plummeting doesn't mean 0, whatever they're selling is still relevant to the people who are working in german factories that are exporting cars to china and we both agree that the idea that europeans will just buy those cars instead is unrealistic because people don't have that money
>>536886279It's way more than that. You're referring to jist 1 company that makes specific machine. What about all the precursor chemicals? Thats set up the same way. A single distributor for the entire market. All in "western" countries
>>536885127>Is the rest of the world ready to make up for the loss in sales from the west?They already did.>If so, why wasnt China selling to them to begin with?The global south needed time to build their industries so they could sell raw materials to China.With the money they earned, they were able to buy back some of the processed materials.
>>536885373>germany actually won because they brought all germans onto german soilThis is the kind of retarded cope you're sitting on.
>>536881226>Trade war between place full of bureaucrats that stop any kind of business vs the industrial complex of the worldI'm sure China will be displeased for the lack of pride parades in Pekin
>>536886279It's really just an US company with the basis in Kaaskopplands.Almost all of its patent filings are hold by the USA.That's why the US dictates what ASML can do and what not.
>>536886245The new line is actually moving east via the north route,meaning it's Russia+China.India has also lost gravity.
>>536881226How can there be a trade war when Eurocucks already killed their own industry by themselves?
>>536883449Independence.
>>536881226We don't manufacture high tech goods like China, Japan, Taiwan, or United States we just produce food and luxury cars
>>536881305Fuck off chink
>>536886400More like trade deficits empower who you give the deficit to. Which is why countries actually care when you find a new partner.Also if you dont understand why inflation is relevant when you keep making a point that a trade balance increases I'm not sure I can help you. And as far as yuan appreciation? Did you even look it up?>>https://tradingeconomics.com/china/currency
>>536886400>again, plummeting doesn't mean 0It will eventually, but it will pull out before reaching that level just like how Hyundai got pushed out from its market, and Hyundai doesn't make shitty cars. China simply no longer need western makers to make cars for them like it did in the early 90s. It's only a matter of when. The end is inevitable for the VW in China.
>>536886597EUcucks love laughing at Trump, but in the end, they forgot to check the mirrors, they are bigger and dumber chimps than the Orange.The level ideology fanatism is on the level of your average deep Islamic shithole.
>>536881226Kanker
>>536886483Except as we discussed in the thread, Asean countries are prepping their own tariffs. India had already started too. As has Latin America.
>>536886597Isn't that obvious? Without industry and much less free money from US you simply have no way to pay for Chinese imports. You'd be forced to stop buying it one way or another. One being default on your debt, the other is trying the austerity shit labeled as a trade war. EU doesn't have money to buy Chinese shit, it barely has money to buy raw resources to survive.
>>536882145Historicaly it was overwhelming European production. Just in the last two years chiense cars have surged in sales. Eurotrannie industry is fucked and chinks are on the up
>>536882653this, desu
>>536886279>the entire chip industry critically relies in a single Dutch company for starters.and this single dutch companies relies on optics from a single german company thats why china tried and somewhat has succeded in decoubling from the western semiconductor pipeline.They don't need any western components anymore for actually building a 28nm fab and can produce everything for that in China, aka DUV machines. They can produce smaller nodes with the same machines, down to 7/5nm, but its inefficent due to multi pattering requirement, something intel knows all to painfully. Chinks have set the 50% mandate, to prodived 50% of all semi conductor pipeline equipment domestically, and right now they are at 35%In short, chines doesn't needs the west anymore for its semiconductor needs, can it produce super highend process nodes? Nope, maybe several years behind, but that means nothing, when globally only a handfull fabs are running cutting edge process nodes and the majority runs nodes 45nm+
>>536886310>NEVthat includes hybrides/rangeextenders m80
>>536883379>Chinkz didn't even abide to EU lawsFuck your EU laws you wretched tranny
>>536886954>Asean countries are prepping their own tariffs.You're rallying your gang of vassals?This will only lower their living standards and increase their expenses, they can't replace the quality of production achieved by robotics.In the end your vassals will lose against China too.
>>536886848you just said that trade deficits are good actually huh, you're lost in your copes buddyinflation is irrelevant for trade balances, what's relevant is the currency exchange, if there's inflation in america that means the dollar gets weaker, which is better for exports and worse for imports, which is why trump was constantly saying that he wants more inflation and wants the usd to devalue (a super retarded thing to say but whatever)ermmm did you look at the link that you posted? it shows that the yuan strengthened, if 1 usd goes from 7.2 yuan to 6.7 yuan then what do you think that means buddy? a stronger currency means weaker exports, the yuan strengthened and still increased their exports, that's how desirable chinese goods are>>536886865but it isn't now, that's the point, this is like saying that you should let me smash your head in with an axe because you will die at some point anyways, you know? you wouldn't exactly say, oh that makes sense then go ahead and bash my skull in, same thing for the german auto industry, even if they're on track to dying they won't just say oh of course shoot me in the head right now
Advanced chipmaking equipment is still made in Europe seethe and Sweden will still deliver ore to Europe and always will.
>>536887276The yuan is within historical range, the Chinese are staying within their production windows. Look at the 10 year range or longer. This is quite literally what theyve always maintained it at. Why on earth would you think that's a victory?And I've been rather constant on deficits, why do you think I highlighted our mexico one to you? And as for inflation? Why on earth would it just have been America? The dollars is more closely based with inflation across the entire world, no just America. Its why the printing can be so enduring.
>>536887276>but it isn't now, that's the pointNokia's market share didn't exactly fall to 0% before it relinquished all of its mobile phone business. Do you want me to go on how bad VW is performing elsewhere? Just how desperate are you to hold on a sinking boat, which is the current state of Germany's automobile industry?
We are in the throes of the Great Reset.The NWO is reorganizing the globe.
>>536887622>Advanced chipmaking equipment is still made in EuropeStop being delusional. Only ASML is the meaningful player in EU. All the cutting edge chips are made either in Asia or US.
>>536884590>ID: OQYxV09K>09>536884590>90kek, howd that happenalways wasmandela effecty
We can deliver ore to Europe forever. Always did. Always will.
>>536881390>Remember when Euros on this board thought China was going to be their friend? lolChina isn't the one making enemies though?
>>536886691>Independence.Incomprehensible, are they planning to live even worse than niggers?
>>536887880China makes enemies with everyone constantly. Their "wolf warrior anti-diplomats" specialize in it.
>>536887783Chips are produced in asia because it's the cheapest place to do it still. The machines that do it come from europe and the designs depending on architecture are made in either UK or US. ARM which is the most important commercial architecture has fuck all to do with asia.
>>536887631we're talking about what happened since the trade war started, china's trade surplus increased with a strengthening yuan, and america's trade deficit increased with a weakening dollar, that's really fucking badyou hyperfixated on an example, I'm not sure why, probably because you're retardedbecause we're talking about trade balances huh, are you okay bub? inflation is a domestic matter that factors into currency exchanges, it by itself is not relevant to trade balances, and it has the opposite effect on a trade balance between countries, inflation might be bad for you living in a country and having to pay more for beef, but between countries inflation is good, because it means that you get more money for what you export, this is why japan's trade surplus skyrocketed recently, the yen absolutely collapsed, which means that their trade surplus ballooned, it might be counterintuitive but I'm also not your economy teacher, if you don't understand such basic concepts then lmao, stfu retard>>536887672why are you incapable of understanding a simple concept, german automakers that are exporting to china will be against a trade war because they'll have to close down factories that are making cars for the chinese market, what's so hard to understand about this
>>536888085China doesn't want a strengthening yuan though. That's what fucked over Japan remember?
>>536881226These faggots believed there was no problem turning to China over the US.
>>536887995>Chips are produced in asia because it's the cheapest place to do it still.Anon, you really don't realize how big of a business this is right now...
>>536882020EU industry is uncompetitive for one reason and one reason only. They have no access to cheap energy. Cutting them off from Russian energy started the deindustrialization. The Straight of hormuz closure is just the final nail in the coffin. No amount of finger pointing will solve the critical problem of lack of cheap and abundance to support an industry.
>>536887783ZEISS .. Fraunhofer?
>>536882020It's insane how many of them want BYD EVs. Same with Canada.Then again, they're the same people who are focused on the US and believe they're collapsing while Europe is floundering before their eyes.
>>536888162who knows, xi said that he wants to strengthen the yuan, he might be bullshitting but it depends on what his goal is, if his goal is keeping china as an export oriented economy then a weaker yuan is better, if he wants the yuan to replace the dollar as the reserve currency then he wants a stronger yuan, japan wasn't aiming to take the reserve currency status from the dollar, while china is quite likely to go for that, in which case they'll want to strengthen the yuan, but for the topic at hand, inflation in a country creates a weaker currency, and a weaker currency creates a trade surplus, this is international trade 101
>>536888165Arguably they should not have relied on either.
>jewish article portraying europe and china are "warring" they're literally one of the biggest trade partners lol
>>536886691Independence from what? Progress?
>>536888295>xi said that he wants to strengthen the yuanWhy? That's what ruined Japan and caused the lost decades. I've heard this over and over from Chinese commentators: the Plaza accords and the revaluation of the yen is what fucked over Japan and China would never make the same mistake...but they are now.
China makes too much convenient and cheap shit, why don't Americans and Europeans do the same? The reason China isn't slowing down is that every developing country is developing solely on cheap Chinese tech, you can get every part that you can think off from a Chinese website and start a new business in pretty much anything from kitchen utensils to audio equipment, the US and Europe just don't offer the same variety and price, I think the USA has a chance but they're putting too much money on services (mainly AI) that I don't think it's happening
>>536888162The difference is that Japan is forced to keep their Yen strong at gun point. China has far more control over their own currency. All they need to do to tank Yuan value is to loosen capital control, there will be a flood of Yuan sale which will drive down it's value.
>>536888225ARM stock has tripled in value this year.
>>536888441What difference does it make when the effect is the same? If I shoot myself in the head or someone else does it, the result is the same.
>>536888225That's fake buuble.<- here is the real value of Samsung and Hynix, before they had to beg their master to manipullate the DRAM prices.
>>536888085>german automakers that are exporting to china will be against a trade war because they'll have to close down factories that are making cars for the chinese marketAs I said multiple times before, the German cars that are being sold in China right now are already manufactured inside China. But that didn't really help reverse the tide. >>536886865As for the factories closing down and jobs being loss, the Chinese government simply doesn't give a fuck. It would willingly sacrifice its own people for one less foreign competition.
>>536888384like I said, because many signs point towards that china wants the yuan to be the next global reserve currencyhttps://www.scmp.com/economy/global-economy/article/3349516/chinas-yuan-settlements-hit-record-and-iran-conflict-looking-catalystthe dollar being strong now is part of the pillars of it being the reserve currency (which is why it's retarded that trump wants to weaken it), if china wants the yuan to be the reserve currency then it needs to be stronger, at least 30% stronger, as a side note, the yuan doesn't need to be stronger than the dollar to be the reserve currency, it just needs to be strong enough, the dollar isn't stronger than the pound or the euro but the dollar is the reserve currency and not the pound>>536888552you're literally unable to read my posts, I just don't care to engage with you anymore, it's whatever
Nothing will happensEurope wont lose to china in any possible reality
>>536888507The difference is that China's export is still strong, despite the rising Yuan value. Japanese export became uncompetitive and they can't enact any policy to change it. If there was a need for intervention China has that option but export isn't softening so they're not doing anything. Strong export despite higher currency value means higher buying power on the supply side.
>>536888085Inflation is not a domestic matter for the dollar though? It quite literally can't be. Otherwise you could strangle foreign markets with lack of liquidity. Countries under the current system quite literally have to stay within certain bounds of reserve currency to be considered solvent. Meaning the dollars value and printing impacts the entire world economy and inflationary policy. Mostly via trade balances. Have you ever noticed much of your currency gets printed depending on just what the Fed decides? Its to try and keep the same ratios.This is all highly relevant to trade balances. You should also look at just how the dollar is performing to other currencies before making such broad claims maybe.New ID btw, changed connections.
>>536888490And SNDK went up 3000% over the last 12 months. Anyone who bought semiconductor stocks last year have pretty much become rich.>>536888624>you're literally unable to read my postsI literally did, and you seem to be parroting what I've just said. What part of my word seems so hard to understand?
Just let us do free trade, wtf. A unified Eurasia would be the undeniable societal hub of earth. We could have such a nice life, who even voted for these cunts in Brussels to decide this.
>>536888624Okay but China has always said that Japan allowing the yen to rise is what caused their lost decades.>>536888645Yeah but an appreciating yuan hurts exports. That's the whole point of keeping it low.
>>536889227And it hasn't hurt China's export because everyone else is getting fucked by other shit even harder than China's rising currency value.
>>536888903This. Why shouldn't Europe get smothered by cheap Chinese imports? You can replace the GDP impact from moving all your production overseas to China by just holding 3, maybe 4 Eurovision song contests a year and instituting strict carbon crediting.
>>536889352Even if that's true, it's only for now. A rising yuan will force China into a backdoor plaza accord.
So China no longer needs Siemens, ABB, Schneider or Bosch Rexroth for industrial automation? Is the dancing sperg robot going to that?
>>536881802>through the center of the earthfundamentally flawed model.
>>536888794this is entirely irrelevant to the argument, you're just throwing spaghetti at the wall because you don't understand how different countries have different currencies, you tried to say that the 900 billion dollar trade deficit is actually not bad because america had a lot of inflation, but it's the opposite, it's really bad because america had a lot of inflation, this is the last time I give you a free economics lesson little buddy, after this you'll have to start sucking my dick, if you make a rubber ducky in america and you sell it to china for 10 dollars, which is say 7 yuan, then you get inflation in america, now that rubber ducky is 12 dollars, but china still buys it for 7 yuan, then you made 2 extra dollars on the trade, every score of inflation shows up as extra dollars in your exports, and minus dollars in your imports, and you still had an increasing trade deficit, that's why it's really fucking bad for you, that's why a weak yen boosted japan's trade surplus by insane amounts, if you export 10 billion dollars, then inflation increases it to 12 billion and the other country buys it at the same exchange rate then you made 2 billion by doing nothing other than having inflation that devalued your currency>>536889227it did, but like I said, for an export focused economy a weaker currency is better, if china wants to stay as an export focused economy then a weaker yuan is better, but if china wants the yuan to be the world reserve currency then they want a stronger yuan, japan never intended on making the yen teh global reserve currency, if this concept is too hard for you to grasp then I dunno what to say
>>536889482>for an export focused economy a weaker currency is betterand China is an export focused economy so this is a bad move. raising the value of the currency alone won't make it a reserve currency. that's not what it is about ultimately
>>536889438Your country is the only one benefiting from Eurasia being at war. With European tech, Chinese capacities and Russian resources this place would be unstoppable. Noone would ask the US for its opinion.Burgers would have to suffice with reigning over a billion Latinos
Everytime these posts show up I just buy more European stocks. Remember when Trump pissed on our military prod? I told everyone to buy SAAB and they got 700%. Now our weapon industry is 7 fucking times its size. Holy cope.
>>536889676>European techWhat European tech? Germany's only tech company was Wirecard. ARM and ASML as the only real European tech companies.>Noone would ask the US for its opinion.Trump has tried to withdraw US troops several times and you niggers block it by crying to Congress every time. Your women crave Big Burger Cock
>>536889565well they don't wanna be an export focused economy forever, they just see it as a stepping stone to gaining global reserve currency status, sure increasing the value alone won't make it a reserve currency, but it is a condition, china has fulfilled other conditions, japan never fulfilled those conditions, it is what it's about, of course the yuan's strength isn't the only part of the story, it's one part of china wanting the yuan to be the global reserve currency, russia, europe, africa are all issuing bonds in yuan now, australia is trading in yuan with china, russia and iran trade in yuan with china, that and cips, and other conditions are all parts of making the yuan the reserve currency, japan never had conditions like that, they weren't issuing bonds in yen in africa, and russia, and europe and america, they weren't trading with countries in yen, and so on, japan was a purely export based economy, so the yen getting stronger due to the plaza accord fucked them, for china the yuan strengthening is part of their reserve currency project, if that's truly their goal and they aren't just bullshitting
>>536889438Sure but it doesn't need to last forever. Yen is weak now, but Japan's industry was dealt a fatal blow it never recovered from. Same situation currently in the world. India should by all metrics be far more competitive than China due to how much rupee has fallen and their far cheaper labor costs, but a Chinese tech gate keeping and Indian incompetence is wasting away India's window of opportunity.
>>536889880>well they don't wanna be an export focused economy foreverWhy not?
>>536884322The dutch won't hand over the 9nm laser tech
>>536889910Why does Xi want a stronger yuan right now though? To increase domestic demand? I think that's why china's exports are so high, due to low domestic demand i mean. An appreciating yuan will help that but harm exports so it kinda balances out.
>>536889917cuz printing money while sitting on your ass is comfier than working in sweatshops all day lmao, if you can do it then why wouldn't you
>>536881226Imagine Europe will sanction China. Like what are they really thinking? The place is literally one step from economic death, only surviving by using stolen money either from other countries or its own pensioners.
>>536889482Except you're the one who's not understanding. Countries adjust their own rates to the reserve currency to better trade with 3rd parties. This happens every single time one exists. The dollar doesn't and won't work the way you say until it loses thay reserve status.
>>536890036But I thought that's why the US economy is weak and fake and gay while China's is strong and real and powerful because of their manufacturing and exports? Now you're saying that China just wants to imitate the US and print money? Why?
>>536890118what did I tell you, if you want more economy 101 lessons then get on your knees bub>>536890141>why would a peasant want to become a nobleman instead of staying as the peasant forever, isn't the peasant physically stronger than the nobleman?shit nigger a real mystery
>>536889676I would 100% be willing to withdraw all troops in Europe and I think both us Americans and you Euros can agree to this.
>>536881226All chinese have to do to destroy Europe is to come out and say>Europe belong to europeansimagine the reaction, belfast but everywhere. With support people who hate the Eurotroon will get more aggressive.
>>536890114Europe wont sanction China, what can we sanction China with since it is so indpendent? Europe is an actual place. Producing EV cars in Hungary is not winning lmao
>>536890310Ok well then what you're saying about the US economy isn't true kekek. We're the noblemen and Chinese are the peasants who want to print like the Fed instead of make stuff? Then India will end up making everything and replacing them lmao.
>>536890439I am sure Europe will sanction something. I don’t know what but they will find out, something people really need.
>>536890310I'm just not gong to bother with you.First we heard garbage about how US trade hasn't changed with China at all and muh trade war failed, despite a significant change in imports, then that mexico was super secretly importing Chinese goods, then that the Yuan has appreciated majorly. Now youre an expert on currencies? Backed up with nothing but arrogance?Why on earth would I trust your information? You dont even provide sources. Meanwhile I have
>>536881305and you will bring us overpriced health care, overpriced education and nigger and kike worship wow can't wait
>>536881226Why does America hate Europe so much? Every day you're praying we freeze to death, burn to death, get raped to death, starved to deathWhat did we ever do to you?
>>536891155You're trying too hard.
>>536881226>Trade war inevitable Europeans produce only war, cars and alcohol. Unless they have a billion people willing to work in massive factories 24/7 with little pay they're no match for China or US economically.
>>536891288No wonder BYD has such an overproduction problem. Jesus.
>>536881226when china subsidizes some shit and floods the world market with it we usually accept that because it means chink taxes go into our pockets indirectly. its not worth it to raise import tariffs or to mirror the subsidies when you can simply take the goods, unless the industry is already very developed locally, like cars here.
>>536891693>when china subsidizes some shit and floods the world market with itthat's against WTO rules
