Am I a hypocrite? I'm completely and totally pro capitalism. I think it's by far the greatest economic and social system that exists. However I just found out Elon Musk is now officially a trillionaire. As much as I love capitalism and hate government interference, this feels wrong to me. I've never had any problems with billionaires, but now a trillionaire feels very wrong. Am I just a hypocrite? Do I need to reevaluate my ideals?
>>536922113>I've never had any problems with billionaires, but now a trillionaire feels very wrongcuck
>>536922212???
>>536922113Elon wants to continue terraforming Mars. That's cool.
>>536922113>Am I just a hypocrite? Do I need to reevaluate my ideals?the us is not a capitalist country anyway so you're fine
>>536922756HE'S A GAMER JUST LIKE ME
>>536922113You're probably intuitively seeing that the current system is not rewarding anyone for producing something useful, and so Musk's wealth is a sign of some kind of abuse, and you would be correct.
elon is a hebrew name
>>536922113Capitalism needs regulation to stay sustainable. Otherwise it will destroy itself with crime and corruption.
>>536922972he's a crypto-jew
>>536923537He is going to get molten gold poured down his throat like Crassus
>>536922113You're not a hypocrite, you're a retard. Go suck Jeff Bezos's cock, it'll make you feel better.
>>536922113he has an army of spiritual jeets and literal jeets who will buy his stocks at any price.it doesn't matter if Tesla can't earn it's market cap in a 100 years time.they'll buy it anyway and expect it to continue mooning.that part of his net worth I don't have a problem with cause it's their money to waste.however for SpaceX they did all kinds of jewish fuckery so its inclusion in indexes is speedrun and pension funds are obligated to buy it.
>OP ancapflaggot 2 pbtidCapitalism no longer exists. Died and permanently went to heaven 2008.After that all HNW entities, sovereign governments, transnational corporations, asset markets, hedge funds are totally dependent on endless infinite supplies of debt note fiat currency QE from private central banks to prevent instantaneous implosion of entire global system.(Musk's own Tesla being a prime example, stock valued as the greatest automobile company in human history : never turned a profit in 2 decades while sucking gov subventions $$$$$$$ the whole way)Whatever this is rn 2009-2026 isn't 'capitalism'
You are literally too stupid to recognize the situation as it was, and it took a cartoonish shifting of scale to make you realize the reality you are in. Congrats on figuring it out I guess, but you should still probably kill yourself.
>>536922113That's not capitalism. You can't become a trillionaire. He's a US government asset who has ten fingers and toes because that makes him more relatable.
>>536922756Your an idiot, he’s not terraforming mars he’s not sending anyone to mars, nobody will ever go to mars.
>>536922113Hey dipshit, he already was a trillionaire. It’s not like spaceX was worthless before the IPO. He always had that asset. Nothing has changed with his net worth. You are just now aware of it
I WISH we had people who were able to just independently amass huge amounts of money and compete with TPTB
>>536922113Capitalism *is* the strongest economic system, but it needs guard rails. Otherwise you hit runaway success by a select few and it ceases to be capitalism anymore because wealth becomes some absurdly concentrated that market forces become mere suggestions. Think of it this way: half the shit that the wealthy are doing today was illegal 30 years ago. We had laws against the shit, we had them for a reason, and those protections against abused have been peeled back one by one while they whisper in our ear that they promise that we didn't need those laws they would never fuck us that bad they swear. And now they are fucking us.In 1970, the wealthy in the USA had a 70% income tax rate. We were a global superpower and put a man on the moon the year before that. Now we only tax the wealthy 26%, the US is in massive debt and Elon Musk has a trillion dollars. These things are not unrelated, it is blatantly obvious that there is clear cause and effect here. Capitalism is great so long as you tax the shit out of the rich, break up monopolies, and ensure that there are protections for workers to ensure they are not abused and exploited. We used to remember that. The country was the strongest it has ever been in our entire history when we followed those rules. But we gave that up, and its all going to shit and we pretend we don't understand how we got here.
>>536922113>I'm completely and totally pro capitalismYou don't have "ideals".
>>536922113>I support competition>this guy is winningYou are fucking retarded
>>536922113I don't care how much money somebody accumulates so long as they're reinvesting most of it into the country that let them get that rich in the first place. Hoarding money/assets is gay. Funnily Musk was told once that his goal of Mars colonization would "cost a trillion dollars". Now he's the first trillionaire. See where this is going? Lmao
>>536925006a friend of mine invested in tesla and i told him it was a bad idea and he'd lose it all because of boomer shit like sales and P/E ratios. he ended up making enough money to buy a million+ dollar house in the SF bay area from a small amount he saved up while we were in grad school. i still have my boomer rocks but he made a good investment. boomer shit like earnings and revenue haven't been relevant in decades is what I've come to learn
>>536922113> the greatest economic and social system that existsNo, it's rather shitty but still and by far the least shitty system of all. There is no better, no perfect system.> Elon Musk now officially a trillionaire feels very wrongIt doesn't matter if he bears this title or not. "What is the reality?" you must ask.And the reality is that he doesn't destroy this wealth, doesn't hoard and hide it from the world and other people.He uses it in a productive way that gives many thousand people well paying jobs and secures their existence.His enterprises deal with pressing problems of humanity as a whole that would just be ignored if all his wealth was evenly distributed among the world population. The innovations they produce are a blessing for every single individual that lives or will live and there is no other way to achieve them than exactly like this.
He controls all of Space plus the Internet
>>536922113you know its not $1T in cash right? its the value of his companies, and he's helped regular people make a fuck load of money by investing in those companies. elon having $1T doesn't mean everyone else has $1T less
>>536926286You realize that on Mars, whoever control the resupply from earth will be who makes the rules, right? No recognition of previous laws means Elon will make whatever rules he wants.I'll let you figure out how much of a kind dictator will be, just look at how he treats his employees.Mars won't happen for many decades at best, it's all a scam in any case.
>>536922756Elmo's rockets only go to low earth orbit. His "plan" for going to the moon involves 16 launches, compared to a single one during Apollo.
>>536927734> Mars won't happen for many decades at bestIt will never "happen". No colonization that is. There is nothing to gain from it. It's a death trap.
>>536928528>t. martian what are you hiding out there marsnigger
>>536922113No because we havent had adams smiths capital since 1913 . Capitalism is the superior system but the lemmings always reach for the 'ism . Itll be back once voltaires course has ran its way with fiat
>>536922113You should understand that Elon will never have full access to all of that money
>>536928807He pushes it up the hill. Hopefully we reach the stars because of it.Though we know its about the climb, and that dont look most fun no
>>536922113He doesn't actually have 1 trillion in a bank account. 1 trillion is the calculated value of his stocks. If he was to sell them all, then he'd get less than 1 trillion.
>>536927240>and he's helped regular people make a fuck load of money by investing in those companiesImagine believing normies are making bank on Tesla and not jewish capitalJust fire up that Robinhood app, goyim, what could go wrong
>>536922113> first trillionaire> himHuh. I guess it shows more money really isn't the answer to your problems, doesn't it
>>536922113Stalinist war communism is the only way forward.
>>536929161>Only Jewish people can make money in the stock marketNo wonder the goyim are poor and retarded.
>>536922113Trillionaires are fine in principle. Capitalism is excellent, but it does need some government intervention because unfettered profit seeking leads to bad things e.g. monopolies are more profitable, swindling is more profitable etc.
>>536922113There is always a richest person in the world, you look at it wrong because you are stupid, look at it this way:The richest person in the world isnt some stupid celebrity, some retarded whore, some thieving communist dictator, some scamming ngos, nope under capitalism the richest person in the world is the one who revolutionized space travel and electric cars.If anything this fact proves capitalism works better than all the alternatives.
>>536922113What if I told you we aren't living under capitalism? Captialism is supposed to reward producing things and encourage competition. We no longer do that.
>>536928807It's not even "money".
>>536932174This. Well said.
>>536922113He's the equivalent of a male of model. Whatever he's done in his companies, in any other country would not make him a trillionaire. In the USA, extracting more value than what you create is more possible and there's also more confused retards who will die on a hill for you and keep pumping up your shitty companies. There is no reason for Tesla to be worth what it is as I'm sure there is no reason for space x to be worth what it is. In reality he's probably worth 200 or 300 billion what you adjust to the real value of these companies. Kudos to him in a way though for creating the biggest cult in the world
>>536922113>I've never had any problems with billionaires, but now a trillionaire feels very wrong.I wouldn't know much but I don't think Grok, FireworksX, Xitter, Tesla, and Neuralink is a trillion dollar portfolio. His money is coming from somewhere else. I was always told the first trillionaire would be an asteroid miner. None of Elon's slop is worth anywhere near that imho.
>>536922816This is true as well. Capitalism means as close to perfect competition as possible. USA is not that. It's corporatism where gains go to the rich and losses are socialized which causes massive moral hazards and you end up with trillionaires because they know there is no risk anymore
>>536932367Addendum: his money is coming from somewhere else or he's lying.
>>536922113>the system that imports infinity pajeets into white nations is the greatest social system that existsLol, lmao even.
>>536922113No you're just a retard
>>536922113All this shit is AI now, I dislike even billionaires. Who would want to be a billionaire or trillionair ROFL in my worldview you might as well bath in human shit or, like in his case, become a whatever trillionair lol. This guy is a human piece of shit, no matter how much money he has or will have he can not overcome being just a human lol. I respect the approach to discover Mars, I really do. Him being the richest asshole ever shat in a toilet is funny and stupid at the most. Ain't it?
>>536922816>it was never real capitalismKek
>>536922113Look capitalism can be a good system but you do need to regulate it, it's like gardening you have to kill the weeds. Musk is and other billionaires are weeds they choke out the garden.That's all marx was describing in das kapital we can ignore the fucking communism because that's planting one plant till overgrowth and death of the garden.
>>536932654>>536932570>>536932411>>536932304 you are all just retards imo, again for the retards in the back who still dont get it ask yourself this what kinda people would be the richest in the world under communism or dictatorshipsagain read and use your brain for once there is no better alternative every other thing is worse>>536932174
>>536932933200 to 300b still puts him at the top retard so you have no argument with me and you're a midwit. My argument is many layers of depth away from your retarded analysis
>>536932654Absolutely... The only thing we all can and should argue about is, how much the state should regulate. But this board turned to X now I guess
>>536933273Or is full of greedy uneducated, for ever horny 3rd worlders. Lolol
>>536932933What makes his Tesla better than a Toyota Prius? What makes his rocket better than the ones made in the 60s?
>>536932302Das ist Quatsch Du bist bescheuert
>>536923537I think he’s just a transgentile or in his own words “an aspirational jew”
>>536925006Not really, it will be bought by retirement funds for the most part.
>>536922113What you need to learn is that capitalism and communism are basically the same thing. Different methodologies for the same goal. Its a dialectic>You will own nothing and be "happy"vs>You will own nothing and be "happy"The goal of both is the centralising of property into afew hands.Remember while you can increase efficiency resources and landmass are inherently finite
>>536926402Yeah, because the stock market is rigged for the most part.Boomers come from a time when America wasn't a corrupt shithole country.
>>536933848101 points, well thought and said fren.
>>536927009>He uses it in a productive way that gives many thousand people well paying jobs and secures their existence.For jeets, yeah.And for yachts and shit he buys from China.This is basicly a form of wealth transfer, FUCK OFF, you castrated post 1940s germ.
>>536922113>I had no problem with billionaires because there are indian billionaires>but now we have a trillionaire. There are no indian trillionaires so I hate itElon is draining the izzat of indians as a race.
>>536934058Elon is an H1B Jeet maxxer. You faggot Elon, dick rider.
>>536934058Elon is or has become the common Jewish leech worm and stupid jeets are his pray, then? Makes sense.
Musk is the result of government interference as well as his interference with government.
>>536934302As in, you suck my dick I suck yours? Probably so, yeah. Sad... We live in a Globohomo world now, and in this it makes no difference where you shit or how often you take a shower.
>>536922212The extra 3 zeros is terrifying to him because it's the closest he'll every get to hearing a woman feel pleasure.
>>536922113its imaginary money, he cant sell his stock without tanking the price
>>536922113Thinking about Elon Musk and what he implemented into one of the greatest countries ever built up by White Europeans, he showed that he, more or less, grew up in a 3rd (South Africa) world country. Those people always have less or non social responsibilities. Maybe because they experienced their surroundings as violent and unreliable unlike people who grow up in Western trust based societies?
Reminder that he gutted aid to poor people to pay for a larger tax cut for himself.
>>536934515A lot of the tech giants/uber wealthy are fueled by government contracts. You could argue it's because they're the best at what they do (probably not), but when has the government ever been considerate about how much it's spending?
>>536922113I think he's a massive faggot but his Space X ventures will usher a new space age and guarantee that America will remain the leader of the world in pretty much everything, paying one trillion for that is not that much considering that it will keep the west as a leading force in the world and as a consequence will make us all rich. So i have no problem with him becoming a triillionaire.
>>536935396Good point, the government would if the general public really knew and cared but you and we have the Jewish media which always will make sure that people are distracted by the latest shit, they themselves create and on top if you control education, judicial and the governing system themselves, you practically can't lose... :))
>>536934177>indians are loyal to their employer
>>536934873he's selling it into this hype right now dude.
>>536927997The most well equipped Apollo mission only supported 2 men on the lunar surface for 75 hours, not even close to what SpaceX is planning
>>536929161i guess the people working for those companies are just jewish capital too right? only jews can make money thats why you have none, cry more
>>536922113Saying billionaires are bad and shouldn’t exist is like saying carnivores in nature are bad because they kill other animals and shouldn’t exist, it’s a meaningless notion.
>>536922113>Do I need to reevaluate my ideals?Yes.Start by learning the difference between "free enterprise" and "capitalism." They are not the same thing.Capitalism is designed to take money from the working class and funnel it to the leisure class. It is inherently evil.
>>536922113>>536922212There is literally nothing wrong with having a lot of money.You've been brainwashed by envious Marxists who never made anything of value.
>>536936563>Saying billionaires are bad and shouldn’t exist is like saying carnivores in nature are bad because they kill other animals and shouldn’t exist, it’s a meaningless notion.Apples and oranges. But you knew that, didn't you?
>>536937060>There is literally nothing wrong with having a lot of money.Jesus said something about "the eye of needle." What was it again? Remind me.
>>536922113worlds first trillionaire(on paper)
>>536936469We are not talking in such shallow thoughts.>>536936563Yeah, but we are no longer strolling some wilderness, do we? We can concider this about our general behavior but we don't fixate on that, because we (well some of us) are higher beings, with a higher level of understanding how humans and societies work. Like the common Jew, basically, only that most of humans lack the Jews disregard for human life and other peoples societies which regard them as normal humans, like everybody else.
>>536922113There would be a bunch of trillionaires in the world if they didn't diluted their shares. Musk just took a diferent management approuch to make sure every final decision is his.
>>536937281To be quite honest I think he's right about it. A lot of people got someone who believed in them and handed them cash so that someone could chase it's dream. Elon on the other hand risk everything he had before getting his first contract. If that 4th rocket had exploded he wouldn't be there today.
>>536937470Bullshit
Most new partisans are capitalist because capitalism mogs other ideologies on paper. In reality, it's just pedophiles giving themselves bailouts. The market where corporations answer to taxpayers doesn't exist. And the longer you stay in politics, the more you realize that. I identified as a capitalist nationalist in 2016 and now I think nationalization of assets is required for even a basic economy to exist.
