>https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/Last_ditch_firearmWhy is Russia entering into Japan 1945 territory if they are winning?
Is it actually single shot? I don't understand the point of this. Why not just use commercial off the shelf shotguns?
>>536942025Dispersal and illusion of a chance.Ease of manufacture. Lots of reasons, actually...
>has to design an entire new weapons platform.>the US did this in the 70s and called it a "masterkey">AK commies on suicide watch.
>>536942025That's how poor Russia is now, they can't even distribute a simple pump-action to each squad
>>536942025It could weigh a lot less and be a back up arm for pot shotting at drones
>single-shot shotgun>if the zigger misses he's dead anywaysbeing russian is hell on earth
Maybe they are for suicide?
>>536941651some training then
>>536941651>WhyAnti-drone weapon?
>>536942074>illusion of a chanceYeah it does provide that for sure, as well as a "save the last one for yourself" insurance policy yeah? I have a feeling that will become the main use for it, not shooting drones.
>>536941651>>536942025looks like a portable anti drone weapon
>>536942229>It could weigh a lot lessI'd expect it would if it one carries one shell. Shotgun shells are heavy and most of the weight of a loaded shotgun aside from the barrel.
>>536942740>looks like a portable anti drone weaponYeah, so it a shotgun.
>>536942025it's not for the drones
>>536941651Looks like a cheap and more important light weapon for defense against FPV drones. I would definitely never want to be in the position of having a use for one
>>536942740Single shot is ridiculous they need pump action or semi-auto
>>536942740>portable2 kilo weight>anti drone weaponsingle shotAnd this is Japanese National Defense Rifle
>>536942941If it's for an heroing a grenade works even better and weighs a lot less.
>>536942558>>536942740You'd need something like this if you wanted to stand a chance of not getting snuffed by a drone.
>>536942952>cheapnot cheap>light weaponnot light>defense against FPV dronessuicide weapon*
You only get one shot anyway so perfect. Its like you faggots dont want anyone to survive in war on either side.
>>53694288>fdullsize shotgun>portablenot with full kit on lol>>536942985>4.4lbsnot bad for a shotgun>>536943138nobody is going to lug those around. also they could just be used for taking out recon drones
>>536942740the idea of shotguns for drones sounds great on paper but the reality is that these are useless against recon or bomb dropper drones and will only be useful against FPVs on the terminal descent. It's extremely unlikely you'll actually get that hit, and if you do you they usually work in wolfpacks of at least 3 drones. So if one goes down he just gets heem'd by the next one after exposing his location and revealing he's likely defenseless now. If your cost for a kill goes from ~$300 to $600 it's not that big of a deal. The longterm counter for drones is going to be microwave DEWs or potentially laser PD. Anything less than that is a cope which only provides an illusion of a chance.
>>536943130a grenade fucks you up completely and your family can't have a proper funeral
>>536943191>not bad for a shotgunit has one shot
>>536943191>nobody is going to lug those aroundwhy not? if I was in ukraine with drones buzzing around everywhere killing anything that moves, I sure as fuck would lug one around. the weight wouldn't even come us as a consideration in my mind...not when compared with the deathbot meanace hovering everywhere
>>536943286Not a problem since Zelensky banned Christianity and closed the churches. No funerals!
>>536943286>a grenade fucks you up completely and your family can't have a proper funeralAre you fucking serious right now faggot? You think Russian soldiers are women who want to suicide in such a way as to leave a pretty corpse for the funeral? PRO TIP: a shotgun blast to the head also does not accomplish this. Can't believe I have to tell you that. Jesus.
>>536943287Thats all a professional soldier needs, faggot. One shot one kill
>>536943346Imagine beep bopping this hard.
>>536943316t. not a squaddie
Who is this nafomigger slop even for? Who do they think they are propagandizing?
>>536943179Seen plenty of vids with mobiks taking multiple shots at drones with AKs. You can fire more than one shot from a pump-action in under a second.
>>536942025>>536941651W E I G H TEIGHT
>>536943191>nobody is going to lug those aroundAny squad that's not retarded will have 1 guy packing a long gun and tungsten turkeyshot for drones.A big mistake the military makes in this age is thinking you can make 1 weapon that does everything, when in reality you have to use specific weapons for specific applications.
>>536941651We used hunting rifles from sporting departments in the Vietnam War because the M16 was not THE GOAT gun that can do anything.Russia is scaling up shotgun production because it's apparently a good counter for drones and they don't have enough pump shotguns to fill demand. I think Ukraine should do the same.>Everyone in a squad has pipe shotgun>They do volley fire against approaching drone(s) with modified birdshots and guarantee defenseThey're actually getting smart about it. When skeet shooting finally becomes normalized for their army drills, it's going to be very handy.
>>536943227>The longterm counter for drones is going to be microwave DEWs or potentially laser PDSeems obvious to me that it will just be other drones. Counter their fpv drone with your own. Maybe have a kit that has half a dozen micro sized drones with a small block of semtex or C4 that use biometrics to fly into other drones and blow them up. If the people controlling the military budget weren't a bunch of retarded nepo kikes they be working on developing micro drone kits for everyone to carry.
>>536941651can you link the source? I wanna read the article
>>536943748Russia issued new shotguns years ago. They are trying new shit everyday on the battlefield.Meanwhile it takes NATO 3-5 years of bribery and political lobbying before anything gets near the battlefieldI would carry an extra 4 pounds to save me from.a drone.
>>536943346this is obviously untrue and retarded. tl;dr there was a law passed in 2024 that allowed Ukraine to specifically go after the institution of the Russian Orthodox Church. Ukraine's Orthodox Church has had autocephaly since 2019 so it's kind of ridiculous that the ROC is still active there.
>>536943852>A big mistake the military makes in this age is thinking you can make 1 weapon that does everythingthat's actually military planners thinking about logistics you fucking grunt
>>536941651they made a slam fire pipe shotgun
>>536944056Bullets will always be cheaper than drones.They just need to figure out how to aim better.
>>536942740Seen tons of drone videos at this point where the soldier has an over under shotgun
>>536944056drone v drone makes a lot of sense, at this moment when we're looking at high cost drones, it starts to be harder when you're at the FPV scale and also the FPV scale is actually larger than it needs to be. Once you get onboard AI models that can detect a human head you literally just need an M80 size explosive to kill/incapacitate them. Imagine a C-130 just dropping like 100,000 of these things but instead of the meme blades they just home in on a human head and blow up. This specific design with a single propeller works and once proper scale is achieved it will be cheaper to manufacture than quadcopters though it currently is not. I do agree that longterm this is one way to deal with it, but I also think that just frying all electronics in an arc is a more economical solution. Because the smaller/lighter you make your drones the harder it will be to harden them.
>>536941651Wasn't Ukraine winning ? You've been spamming Ukraine 'victories' nonstop for nearly 5 years at this point
>>536944248Zelensky banned the Istanbul based Ukrainian Orthodox Church too, tranny faggot shill>https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/ukraine-bans-religious-organizations-linked-to-russia>Ukrainian officials suspect the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is promoting pro-Russian views and that some priests may be actively collaborating with Russia. Moscow Patriarch Kirill, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, has justified Russia's war in Ukraine as part of a "metaphysical struggle" to prevent a liberal ideological encroachment from the West.
>>536944621So when is russia winning lil niggaa
>>536944621>Wasn't Russia winning ? You've been spamming Russian 'victories' nonstop for nearly 5 years at this point
>>536944494do they fire it?
>>536944631>Ukrainian officials suspect the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is promoting pro-Russian views and that some priests may be actively collaborating with Russia.Thats why you stupid fuck. Why anyone takes this russian ortho church seriously is beyond me the patriarch takes the word of putin before god clearly.
>>536944707Some yes but it only has two rounds before you have to reload the fuckin thing
why not just shoot a parachute at the drone
>>536944631>Zelensky banned the Istanbul based Ukrainian Orthodox Church too>links article that talks about ban on Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow PatriarchateAre all ziggers as retarded as you are?
>>536944578The only issue I have is I know the US is going to develop good tech for countering them, but then it will be given to kikes and kikes will stop dying :(
>>536942025Money laundering.It's like that $7000 bag of bolts that got shown in American Congress.
>>536944668Haven't they taken 20% of Ukraine and lowered their population from 40 million to 20 million?
>>536943832Literally how does weight factor in here? Even if the gun itself is lighter you're just going to have to disperse more of them.
>>536942025You can't insert a normal shotgun all the way into a mobik's rectum
>>536943411Unless there are two drones.
>>536943346Zelensky has no authority over the country the factory this thread is about is based in>>536943392the trigger is placed closer to the exit of the barrel than to the stock use your imagination>>536943392>>as to leave a pretty corpse for the funeralnormal people unlike atheist redditards have funeral rituals they care about
>>536944824Poroshenko created the UOC faggot. They were all headed by thier leader in Istanbul. They never were led by anyone in Moscow and what you are quoting is jewish propaganda.
>>536943164>draft dodging third worlderThank you for your valuable opinion
>>536942025>Is it actually single shot? I don't understand the point of this.a more capable shotgun would pose too much of a domestic threat if allowed back home.
can we get any fucking sources? also>just carry a commercial shotgun in addition to your riflealso, single shot/single useyou literally load another cartridge into it after you fire itwhat is this retarded thread? are you implying that the ukrannies all carry shotguns or have some sort of space age no weight anti-drone weapon only you know of?OP, how is your family doing? we know you love spending time with them
>>536945152lunch special?
>>536945226>They never were led by anyone in Moscow and what you are quoting is jewish propaganda.This just gives of a low iq energy >If you disagree with me your A TROON OR A JOO kys faggot
>>536943138lmao, gl trying to hit anything with this
>>536945344The article says nothing about the UOC being led by Moscow. Thats an obviuos lie. Why are you backing up that lie?
>>536944631>Moscow KGB heretic church banned in Ukraine.Are we supposed to cry about it?
>>536945281>what is this retarded thread?Showing that Russia is like Japan in 1945 creates last ditch weapons instead of proper designs
>>536943227>The longterm counter for drones is going to be microwave DEWs or potentially laser PD.Jamming also works well, but only against radio-controlled drones. Fly-by-wires on optical wire will still get through.
just so you knowOP is a very insecure cuck that spends 24/7 on /chug/ telling everyone how great and white his family is despite him literally NEVER spending any time with themhes a local lolcow that gets made fun of but i suspect that is what turns him oni dont even believe he has a family, i think he made up an absent wife so people call him a cuck for his own pleasure
>>536942740a barrel that short isn't hitting anything past 25 yards (at most)
>>536945639don't be angry
>>536944668No, it's quite the opposite. You troons have been claiming that Russia's losing every day for 5 years now.
>>536945500Their Patriarch is literally member of Great Moscow Synod.
>>536945722>No, it's quite the opposite. You troons have been claiming that Ukraine is losing every day for 5 years now.
>>536944416>hurr durr rocks always cheaper dan bullets, dey just need to learn how to frow bedderFuck off zőltán
>>536944892>Literally how does weight factor in here?If you want every rifleman to carry an anti-drone weapon in addition to their rifle (outside of dedicated anti-drone weapons teams) you need something extremely lightweight or soldiers will just ditch it.When you have to carry a kit every day for weeks or months, every gram matters, soldiers don't give a shit about how potentially in the future something may be useful, they care about their immediate comfort. Americans in Normandy were ditching half their equipment on the beach for weight reasons.
>>536945722he says, 1570 days into the supposed 3 day operation lmao
>>536945532>give us a quick and light anti-drone weapon>ok>"RUSSIA OUT OF AKs!!!!!!"what the fuck do you think "last ditch" means? by your definition NATO cant even afford a last ditch weaponwho is this for, retard? do you think we cant see your discord buddies replying?spend a day with your family for a change
>>536946078>give us a quick and light anti-drone weapon>2 kilo single shot shotgun
>>536946203can you give us a source on it being 2kg?also what is the average weight of a commercial shotgun?
>>536946404https://m.vk.com/wall-160329499_729090literally find any news about it. 1.8 kg
>>536945378People shoot skeet with it all the time
>>536945926its either a literal retard that thinks single-shot means single-useor a shill pretending to be retardedhave you not noticed how all the replies are non-sequitur libtard snark?"huhh? then why x??? then why completely unrelated shit to the discussion???"its literal faggots pretending to be nazis
>>536941651this is foldable, every-soldier last resort anti-drone weapon.i guess spass would be better but oh well, but 1.8kg for EACH soldier is something.
>>536946404>also what is the average weight of a commercial shotgun?per shell it can carry? Mossberg 500 is 0.39 kilo per shell
>>536946661so whats the NATO/ukranny mass produced shotgun that is below 1.8kg?
>>536946994Mossberg 590, 9 shells for only 3.1 kg, so only 0.34 kg per shell
>>536946971>per shell it can carry?where the fuck did i say that?might as well post per screw you faggotif 1.8kg is sooooo heavy then what is the average commercial shotgun weight? and no, not per rear sight weight
>>536942816Wrong. Unless this is you.The non-barrel parts of a shotgun typically weigh as much as about 40 shells.
>>536947128right so by your example there is a mass produced , lowest weight possible mossberg 590 being issued to every NATO/ukranny soldier in addition to their riflemay i see some papers, articles, twitter schizo posts about being a thing now?btw, im aware of the reply rate thing for you, no i dont caremight as well say you drain my life power by drinking my piss, family man
>>536947158>where the fuck did i say that? might as well post per screw you faggotyou understand that shotgun needs to fire shells, so if you want to fire 9 shells like Mossberg can do you need 9 of this pieces of shot or 16.2kg of weight.>if 1.8kg is sooooo heavy then what is the average commercial shotgun weight?Just like muskets single shot shotguns like this stopped being produces since 1870s.
>>536942025You only need 1 shot for suicide.
>>536942123The masterkey was just an off the shelf Remington 870Even run of the mill US civilian guns are superior to slavshit.
>>536947638you don't need to issue last ditch weapon to every soldier if you have one that can fire 9 shells
>>536945378Shut the fuck up noguns retard.
>>536941651looks like a pvc tube potato cannon
>>536942025You're probably not getting more than one shot at the drone anyway from what I've seen of it, so it's just an effective way to have a last ditch option. Keep in mind that the best way to deal with drones is to not be seen by them, so if you're a footsoldier not on your ride to/away from the frontline firing at a FPV drone you've already made a few mistakes. And if you are on your ride there'll be someone with a real shotgun.>>536945265Russia has looser gun laws than your nation, Nigel.
>>536947649>>you understand that shotgun needs to fire shells, so if you want to fire 9 shells like Mossberg can do you need 9 of this pieces of shot or 16.2kg of weight.english is my 3rd language and what the fuck did you just say?>>Just like muskets single shot shotguns like this stopped being produces since 1870sWHATAHAHAAHAHAHAcome the fuck on, family man
>>536946901Single shot still makes it retarded and ineffective. Even a pump is inadequate imho but still much better odds than a single shot. Pic related is like $250 retail in the US, if you bought it in bulk it would be even cheaper.
>>536948021To fire 9 shots against drone(like Mossberg 500 can do), you need 9 of this last ditch shotguns. 9*1.8 is how much?
>>536947832so which shogun has been mass issued to NATO/ukranny troops besides their rifle that holds 9 shells?
>>536948192Mossberg 590 A Beretta A300 would be better though, but lets be real slavs aren't worth giving a $1k shotgun
>>536948142>to fire 9 shells like Mossberg can do you need 9 of this pieces of shot or 16.2kg of weight.the fuck are you saying?what is >>to fire 9 shells like Mossberg can do you need 9 of this pieces of shot or 16.2kg of weight.supposed to mean?did you have a stroke?
>>536948192Hatsan BTS-12, Escort BTS410 and M26 MASS
>>536948395Mossberg 590, 3.1kg 9 shotsshit shit, 1.8kg 1 shot1.8 * 9 = ???
>single shot>antidronejust when I thought /pol/ couldn't get browner/dumber
>>536948394>>536948428go ahead, post the document, article or whatever that says those shotguns are standard infrantry issue in the ukrannyi can name random russian shotguns too
>>536947839I have mandatory military training in my cunt, and I shot flying targets with m2 and birdshotsafe to say that you need a lot of training to consistently hit moving targets about 300-400 hours
>>536948512youre joking right?what even is your argument here? they tape 9 shells around the pipe or the pipe is literally 1 use so to fire 9 shells you need 9 pipes?bro pls
>>536948917>brb, let me break this shotgun and quickly reload it while drone is flying directly at me
>>536949021explain your retard math here >>536948512what the fuck is that supposed to mean?non-sequitur libtard snark wont save you
>>536949222>explain your retard math hereto fire 9 shots at the same time interval in which Mossberg 590 can fire it's whole magazine you need 9 separate of this shit
>>536943748>MobiksYou mean ukrainians?
>>536948017>Russia has looser gun laws than your nationso?russia has a problem with post-smo soldiers sneaking back with the odd grenade. a decent auto shotty would be far more capable at taking down both drones and his neighbours when they don't treat him like a hero for sacrificing his legs for the motherland.
>>536949416>so?It debunks the point you were trying to make.
Look guys we've reinvented the wheel for the 734th time
>>536941651>no gripkek what?
>>536941651Wake me up when Russians invent tactical mobile flak guns for shooting down drones/planes.WW2 flak is extremely cool
>>536949315jesus christ may forgive youim glad im not in the position where i have to post shit like thatim legit sorry youre in the situation that forces you to do this
>>536949774hey retard, you do know why armies stopped using muskets, right?
Should have made an automatic shotgun instead imo
>>536948714i know a drone moves a lot faster but i shot damn good skeet at 11 years old and went pheasant hunting for the first time at 12 and had to keep a lead on several of them. one of them I even had to wait for it to clear by a house so I had to hold that lead for a good 18-20 seconds or so and still nailed my first shot. i know burgerstan's military isn't worth a shit either these days but goddamn I'm sure if you trained men to shoot drones they could figure it out in less than 300-400 hours, I learned to hit a moving target as a boy with maybe 10 hours of practicing on skeet. i'm not even that old, what kind of fuckass cope is this
>>536948714>>536949928do drone pilots strafe around to make it hard to hit?
>>536949928>I shot big target moving at steady pace not changing trajectory>which means shooting much small target that can easily change directions, that is average of your existence and is actively trying to kill you is the same
>>536948648No idea what Slavic retards use over there Hans. You said NATO and the US is in NATO and guess what dipshit? We issue our troops fuckloads of Mossberg 590sSuck my start spangled American cock you fucking little mouthy cunt.
i find it hard to believe that this is cheaper than already made off the shelf shotguns. are they actually using this en mass or is it something blown out of context?
>>536949841if your family is real(which youre obsessed with proving is real) i hope they stay with your parentsyou need serious mental help mguyi legit hope you get better
>>536950125>completely loses the argument>realizes that he can't defend single shot, break action shotgun as "anti-drone" weapon when you most of the time need to fire whole shotgun magazine to shoot down a drone>changes the subject
>>536950096i got a personal letter from your mom saying your cuck dad want me to fuck her with your graduation picture from faggot university
>>536950220so where is your wife exactly staying with your parents?maybe i can give her a visit
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>>536942025Because theyre so poor.
>>536941651my one guess is that it can be adapted to specialised overpressurised shot or GL(spread).russians love their over+ ammo and GLs.that would explain the stock and weird sleeve over the barrel (similar to their high calibre assault/battle rifles). or just being tarded
>>536941651>1 shot suicide gun being issued to Russian cannon fodder >majority of the thread doesn't make the connection The absolute state.
>>536943346All the pro russian,pro chink and pro muslim posters are deceivers.
>>536950815majority of the thread are paid shills making damage control
>>536941651What a wasteful stupid design. To make a gun in under 30 minutes from the discarded objects found in your kitchen draws is not difficult if you have a few rounds or a few blanks to hand. To make one that you can replace the round in.There’s no “innovation” in the patent in the OP there is deliberate designed obsolescence or w/e you call it where you just throw stuff away to profit the business which provides the replacement product. Its foolish and its obviously wasteful but hey, Russia is globo ruling rather globo subverting, wherever there is corruption theres globo and where oligarchy rules globo rules. BTWYesterday some dickhead Igor the Liar turbocuck was lying here with an old cap from an idiotic American conspiracy website showing clickbait arbitrarily claiming that putin was at war with the rothschilds. Putin is as jewish as bagels and russia has had a rothschild central bank since 1860. The soviet union was 100% a rothschild project, they spied for them, gave them atomic secrets to creating all their atomic weaponry snd because all the 4 & 5 year plans of communism all failed fed the soviet union for every single year of its existence as it could never even feed itself. Idiots, liars and jeets are nuisance on the internet, learn to spot them. Them talking utter bollocks is the constant give away.
It’s a 1 shot 12 bore. Fit for the dustbin. Its not special in any way other than being disposable garbage. The ammo type is standard. Theres nothing advanced.The US home defence pump actions they buy & sell for $80-£300 are far superior. I’d rather have the farmers 4/10 vs drones at least you’d know its a real gun. Prediction: russia is going to continue to lose to drones.
>>536950866Says the pro israel circumcised mutt golem
>>536945758>23 posts by this subhumango back to discord
>>536946782It is all bots or kikejeets from discord, they do this kind of coordinated attacks here to overload /pol jannies
>>536941651>NAFO troon thinks folk will fall for thislol
>>536950735Russians love nade launchers so much they even made suppressed one for special opsyou know someone is lobbing them but you don't know where from
