How do commies argue against this?
>>536980203Aoc and bernie arent running a business
The vast majority of the global proletariat who mined the lithium, built the infrastructure, and delivered the food to those offices didn't see a dime.
>>536980203They cant because their entire ideology is based around destroying instead of creating. They want to destroy society and have the idea it'd be massively improved if we started from scratch but with socialism, they lack the ability to understand there is no economic alternative to capitalism. Same as there is no political alternative to conservatism, the alternatives dont work because theyre ideologies and not economic or political stances
>>536980203Ironically, this person just argued to mix business and government. Which is not capitalism.
congratulations to those extremely lucky, atypical, cherry-picked instances of a relatively tiny pool of people, which is mostly made up of rocket scientist PhDs for finally achieving a million dollar net-worth. They're so lucky they can almost afford to own a home. Almost. They need just a little bit more if they want to own one anywhere near anywhere where theres a job. But they're close. Thiiiiiiiiiis close.
>>536980279Not only are you wrong you continue to show your lack of understanding of economics, those new millionaires are now going to spend and pump more money into the economy which will build up more people if said people choose to spend their money building something
>>536980279Yeah im not working a job contract is a scam sorry. but i will exploit american labor in the derivatives market with my neetbux though and make so much i too can call myself rich.
>>536980333>almost afford a home>millionaireCalifornia
>>536980403dont even know what you point is bro. i think what i wrote more or less is the proper response to OPs asinine posts. congrats to these people who basically are lucky lottery winners who have to have PhDs to even get the SpaceX jobs building literal rocketships in the first place.why not you not be a butthurt whiner about it and just admit your whole point was refuted.
>>536980279>The vast majority of the global proletariat who mined the lithium,Lives in socialist/communist utopia of Democratic Republic of Congo
>>536980403>>536980505why not you not be a butthurt whiner about it and just admit your whole point was refuted.why dont* you.
>>536980203The average person isn't close to being a millionaireI don't want a slightly larger elite, whose wealth typically comes from squeezing normies harder. I want the average person to be doing better in life.
>>5369805051. Your entire comment is filled with sarcasm, typical leftist that cant talk properly because you lack any points 2. The average cost of a home isnt a million, your idea of "WOW NOW THEY CAN ALMOST AFFORD A HOME" as if there arent states with incredibly low real estate shows your ignorance towards your own economy 3. "Everyone that makes money is lucky" thanks for admitting you're a loser 4. "Butthurt" please quote where im even remotely angry. I simply know im right. Wealth creates wealth, thats thousands of new people in higher tax brackets paying more taxes, if only you libs didnt steal or waste the money itd be a huge bonus 5. You didnt refute anything, literally nothing you said replied to my point. Your point is only valid if you're assuming they want to buy a house in a cali, which millionaires and billionaires are fleeing so you have no point
>>536980203>Company built and grown on billions in government funding/contracts is a pure example of muh capitalism winning.It's like you want people to think you are stupid.
>>536980505>>536980529>a great man creates 4400 opportunities to gain wealth for others, not to mention advances mankind's space exploration >fellow men admire his accomplishment and strive to emulate him and join him in the sun>an envious and spiteful parasite that has never created a single opportunity to gain wealth for others is throwing a fit while citing insane housing that are a direct result of zoning laws and overlegulations of the most corrupt and wasteful US State where even billionaires have no hope to rebuild their homes after its government let them burn down
>>536980629wow. my refutation of OPs point really caused you a lot of distresss. your entire comment is just whining, but i will make note of this 1 part.>2. The average cost of a home isnt a million, your idea of "WOW NOW THEY CAN ALMOST AFFORD A HOME" as if there arent states with incredibly low real estate shows your ignorance towards your own economymy own words....>They're so lucky they can almost afford to own a home. Almost. They need just a little bit more if they want to own one anywhere near anywhere where theres a job. But they're close. Thiiiiiiiiiis close.Please promptly rope yourself.
>>536980203>massive state control all resources >or a few mega corporations control all resources >constant lack of work for native inhabitants >mass migration of lesser peoples and lowering of wages Basically all systems suck balls when they are being misused, exploited and corrupted. (Jews).
>>536980614Good news, we eliminated poverty better than ever in human history
>>536980629>>536980822i have to fix this meme so harambe's arm is not hanging off of the wrong side of the magical staircase to your magical fascism destination, anon. give me 1 min, lemme see if i can do it.
>>536980203Bernie did create a millionaire (himself)
>>536980203i wouldn't mind socialists if they didn't support mass immigration. the lgbt stuff i can look past as long as they leave the kids out of it but mass immigration has been devastating to the housing market/job market and multiculturalism and diversity causes division. their is no unity. i hate corporations and prefer main street over wall street
>>536980614>the average person isnt a millionaireThe average person isnt in shape because they dont go to the gym, the average person doesnt want to put the effort it takes into becoming a millionaire( the average person doesnt want to invest, the average person is ok being average and thats why they're average. If you want to b make more money stop crying and going to anti ice protests and build something. You wont because commies cant build >slightly larger eliteMillionaires arent "elites" or even close >I want people to be doing betterThen go do better, you collectivists dont do better because you dont act as individuals and do better you wait for other lazy hateful fucks to do something and when they do its destroying something
>>536980958yea but hes as old as dirt. if you're a boomer and not a millionaire, you definitely fucked up in life
>>536980950>weThat was mostly China
>>536980203libtards don't argue they spit magic spells
2016 primaries were rigged and Bernie should’ve won
>>536980987If an investment makes you money, that means the money in question didn't go to the workers who produced it or back into the company to increase or maintain productivity. Investors are leeches and society as a whole would be far better off cutting them out of the loop.
>>536980955 >>536980822>>536980629there you go. i dont really care to make it any better. but you understand my general thoughts on you and your posts.
>>536980203I wouldn't bother arguing it. It's just nonsense from some stupid whore looking for attention from Elon Musk hoping she can shag him and get some of his money.
>>536980272They establish and vote for policies that should be helping to create better times for citizens but they instead demand infinite brown filth be let in. Kill yourself retard.Inb4>but trump!fuck him too, he's too busy sucking jew dick.
>>536981338my mom over the phone today told me the same bullshit. it must be getting pumped out in many right wing infospheres. she just went off on how "the MSM is fake and intentionally covering-up the good he did, by making thousands of people into millionaires". i dunno, my mother is a psychopath, and no one else in my family even speaks to her. i only speak to her becuz our relation is so direct.
>>536981193Ignored everything I said only to attempt to make a nonpoint. Invest as invest your time effort and money into a truck and advertising your services picking peoples trash for them and then building and getting an enployee until you have a fleet, thats one of a million businesses anyone can build, you commies are iliterate to economics, business and common sense thinking Literal retards are getting rich from social media, countless ways to improve yourself and make money you choose to cry about elon and others.
>>536981028>a communist nation was the biggest concentration of poverty in the world>which was fixed by them becoming less communist and propped by other nations which have moved their manufacturing to themUnfortunately their growth has reached the stagnation phase.
>>536981193Capitalism works for the most part under the correct leadership and government, communism doesnt work and its an ideology not an economic system. Compare a group of a capitalists/pro capitalism to a group of commies. The pro capitalists would be completely different in every aspect, while all commies look act and say the same things its a psudeo cult
>>536981469anon....anon..can i ask you something?? did you not like my meme i posted for you >>536981219? i made it a while back for people like you....then tonight i took some extra time out of my evening to make a few edits for you in order to make it better. im hurt, if you didnt like it.
>>536980203none of them have helped normal people. AOC and Bernie only care about poor people. Elon only cares about rich people. If you're a normal dude you just get to struggle.
>>536980760Why do you suppose your spaceship company didn't get those contracts? You did bid on them, right?>>536980895>all resourcesHe owns half a spaceship company and half a car company. Plenty more resources out there you could go create or buy a piece of.>>536981193>the workersWhat do you do for work? >increase or maintain productivity.What do you produce?Why do you give money to investors if they're not needed?
>>536981535>Capitalism works for the most part under the correct leadership and government, communism doesnt work and its an ideology not an economic system.>Compare a group of a capitalists/pro capitalism to a group of commies. The pro capitalists would be completely different in every aspect, while all commies look act and say the same things its a psudeo cultlook at this comment. its an amazing work of manufactured internet propaganda. look how it appears so angry and poignant at first glance. but delve deeper upon a 2nd viewing and what is op saying? nothing."Capitalism works for the most part under the correct leadership and government, communism doesnt work and its an ideology not an economic system."this is a fully meaningless jumble of words. one, no matter how intelligent they otherwise are, would never be able to derive material meaning from any of whats written.
I think those politicians (their faults aside) are more concerned with goods and services being affordable for the average wage, rather than the ridiculous notion that everyone can be rich if they work hard.It is completely ignoring that four thousand additional millionaires come as an exact consequence of a trillionaire. Meaning that what it once was in terms of spending power and influence to be a millionaire is no longer a big deal, and is the very reason that money is allowed to trickle down in the first place.If americans really thought about it, their "temporary embarassed millionaire" attitude, which is the subconscious shame of the american dream, was actually fulfilled there would simply be more trilllionaire parasites and houses and the cost of goods would scale to keep you in the same rat race.Under capitalism you are made to feel inferior for being poor but its actually a prerequisite for anyone to remain rich.
>>536980203China has several billionaires and many more millionaires than we do.
>>536981696only with a tiny few quarantined special economic zones which western governments forced them to set up over decades in order to evade war and poverty from being locked out of the western trade sphere*wow. funny how you forgot to mention that part.
>>536981655>parasitesWhat do you do for work?>you are made to feel inferior for being poor but its actually a prerequisite for anyone to remain rich.Who told you that? What do you do for work? Do you feel that Elon's companies are worth 1T because he somehow stole all that from you?
>>536981696>>536981758when people forget to mention that 2nd part, its almost like....idk theyre intentionally trying to propagandize the public with misinformation about communist nations being "as corrupt as western nations like america" wew.
>>536981696US has ten times more millionaires and billionaires than China, per capita
>>536981820What do you do for work now and what will your role be once we seize the means of production? How much better do you feel your life would be today if Elon hadn't created Tesla and SpaceX?
>>536981621Taxation and wealth re-distribution for common gain sounds pretty commie to me but I guess you do you and pretend it isn't because your money paid to make an immigrant a trillionaire instead of those resources belonging to you and the people.
>>536981612Which political philosophy do you think gives a normal dude the best chance of their efforts being rewarded?
>>536981869>per capitaLol still not the original 0
4400 supposed “millionaires” counteracted by hundreds of thousands who will eventually get their 401ks assraped by SpaceX’s eventual correction.GOSH I HECKIN’ LOVE CAPITALISM!!!
>>536981770Retarded questions. It has nothing to do with Elon in particular or my work in particular.The existence of a trillionaire is merely a sign that billions and millions etc, are devalued. Elon could do and own all he does and it have the value of 1000 dollars, it is ultimately arbirtrary. The only real relevance is it's power relative to those beneath him. Therefore more millionaires are meaningless because it's a reflection on their inability to ever compete with the capital of a trillionaire.Their power relationship remains the same regardless, do you understand?It is a rat race where no wealth is actually created.
>>536980976>the lgbt stuff i can look past as long as they leave the kids out of itThis lack of foresight to understand how they could impact children is exactly how they're getting away with pulling kids into their selfish crap.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzFElOb2NT4
>>536981973>Taxation and wealth re-distributionSo you believe that here in the USA we get taxed and the treasury just sends checks to Elon? I ask again, why do you suppose your spaceship company didn't get those government contracts?
>>536980203The only people they make rich are themselves, while incessantly bitching about those who enrich others and provide cool services and products we can't live without. Reason 5237 why I hate commies.
>>536982103So you're unemployed and unemployable because Elon stole your spaceship company from you?
>>536982337>American>RetardedImagine my shock
>>536980203QUIT SPAMMING THIS JEW
>>536982389So what do you do for work and how do you feel SpaceX somehow belongs to you or anybody else that didn't create it or invest in it? I really want to be outraged about this with you, but I'm struggling to see how Elon's companies doing well is taking anything from me.
>>536982245If they're so productive why does Elon have time to shitpost on twitter all day?
>>536981193We live in the era of partial stock purchases through any number of on-your-phone, no charge necessary, brokerages. Take any one of those $10 overpriced pieces of bullshit you buy daily/weekly, the very epitome of the exploitative corporate nonsense commie niggers like you complain about, and buy tiny partial shares in the things you BELIEVE in providing legitimate value to your community, you can share in the gains latter down the line.If you are so retarded to think that is somehow contrary to your ethical economic philosophy, then I sure as shit hope you are using a privately owned internet service provider, on electronics hardware made and manufactured with parts from entirely independently owned companies.You ARE giving money and directly supporting the very entities you believe are not giving back to the workers who produced mountains of the shit you are using right right this second. Yet you won't spend a dime of it to own portions of those entities.Fun fact. If you own enough shares of a company, you can take it private again, free from the influence of investment equity you seem to believe is leeching the value.
>>536982634You're trying to argue with your own version of what is being said. I never mentioned theft. It's not theft of wealth, it's not wealth at all. You literally do not understand the point I'm making.I'm a national socialist by the way, so all your commie gotchas aren't relevant.
>>536980203just another psyop trying to entrench people's belief that we live with capitalism while in reality entities like SpaceX are tightly linked with the government and are given massive contracts and subsidies which suggests we live in a very globalized and centrally planned economy but they'll keep calling it capitalism because then people will beg them to take even more centralized power and authority
>>536982709>I shitpost on social media all day and I'm not a trillionaire.I think the difference is that you didn't invest and direct a shitload of talent and capital towards building a successful spaceship company before shitposting on social media.
>>536982824>You literally do not understand the point I'm making.OK, so break it down. How does Elon owning half a spaceship company and half an electric car company he created take anything from you or me? Who do you suppose should own the companies he built?>I'm a national socialistCool, so what do you do for work now and what will your role be after you get the proper dictatorship going over there?
million! billion! trillion! quadzillion! gorillion!I love number going up! I love inflation!
>>536982164I ask you, why is the government giving out contracts? What is the government doing? Could it possibly be that this wealth re-distribution is useful somehow? After all surely the markets would do all this by themselves without the government wouldn't they? Why would Elon need money from the government?
>>536982862>entities like SpaceX are tightly linked with the government and are given massive contractsWhy do you suppose your spaceship company didn't get those contracts? >and subsidiesCan you cite some of the subsidies SpaceX got in this year's budget?
>>536980203Elon didn't create the wealthRetarded retail goyim buying extremely heavy bags solidified the 2 trillion valuation of spacexMaybe the jews were right
>>536980203I don't want to be a millionaire. I want to feed my children and have them go to good schools instead of AI driven ZOG training with poisonous food that gives them stomach cancer before they turn 30.The capitalist would say "just become a millionaire bro"
>>536983019I've actually been relatively patient with you, but if you had understood anything I said, you wouldn't keep asking the same question over and over. It is point in the abstract, nothing to do with Elon whatsoever.No more (yous) Cleetus. Thanks for not harming any stereotypes.
>>536983056>why is the government giving out contracts?Because the government needs goods and services. If NASA could build webm related they wouldn't be putting it out to bid, and if your spaceship company, or established aerospace giants such as Boeing, or Lockheed, or RTX, or Northrop Grumman could do it better or cheaper they'd have got the contracts. >Could it possibly be that this wealth re-distribution is useful somehow?>wealth redistribution.So you believe any time goods and services are sold it's "wealth redistribution"?>Why would Elon need money from the government?The better question is if you see governments willing to spend billions of dollars on specific goods or services that the current players in the marketplace are unable to provide at a good value, why aren't (You) creating a company to fill that demand?Pop on over to SAM.gov and you are perfectly free to bid on any of those contracts to provide the government with goods and services they consume.
>>536983103>Elon didn't create the wealthSo where do you suppose SpaceX came from? Was it just sitting there somewhere and he happened to stumble across it before (You) found it?>>536983133>I want to feed my childrenHow many children do you have? Are you sending them to "AI driven ZOG training" now? Have you managed to find any non poisonous food that gives you stomach cancer?>>536983202>It is point in the abstractI see, so none of this shit you're saying has anything to do with reality and your retarded worldview falls apart when you're asked for real world explanations or examples. Let me ask you this, if you're putting so much effort into creating this fantasy world in your head, why not make up some fan-fic that doesn't have you as the helpless loser victim the whole time? What will your role be in the new reich?
>>536983366The government takes money from you and everyone else, it then uses that money for the common good of the people, that is socialism.You just add in the extra step of having an immigrant become a trillionaire using your money and then claim it's muh markets. Fucking simp.
>>536983586You're a faggot who doesn't understand my point.Capital by itself is useless. Nobody cares how much monopoly money you stack up. Money is only worth what it can buy. The OP's position that creating millionaires is a metric worth celebrating is a retarded one.
>>536980272What communist ran a business and created many millionaires?
>>536980279Factually false: they got their wages
>>536980760Guess what retards gave Elon government contracts? Leftist governments that were bitching that we were spending too much on space travel and green technology. Turns out you guys just claimed to want the government to fund "good deeds" but then when it's done you're bitching about stolen tax money.
>>536980203he didn't make me one
>>536983586Once again midwit, a grifter fools retail and banker jews into grandiose beliefs of data centers in space and Mars colonization none of which can be done at the time or even in our lifetime. Spacex sells internet in the boonies. Youre paying an 8x premium over Verizon or ATT for essentially the same product
>>536980272If you can't run a successful business then you shouldn't be running the government
>>536983667>The government takes money from you and everyone else, it then uses that money for the common good of the people,Yeah, I'm sure every penny of it goes to the "common good of the people", whatever you think that means.>the extra step of having an immigrant become a trillionaire using your moneyI did fantastic with e-commerce back in the early and mid 2000's. Paypal was the best product on the market for me to take credit cards and collect payments. Nobody stole from me and gave money to paypal and nobody forced me to use it. I used it because it was a good product and I was happy enough to pay for it over other alternatives. I'm even happier that the money Elon made from paypal was re-invested into a cool new car company and spaceships.Why are you so outraged that someone else made successful companies? >>536983685>who doesn't understand my point.You have yet to make a point. Try again, but using reality not whatever retarded fan-fic you've been on about.>Capital by itself is useless.No shit, hence the value created by someone like Elon who can direct that capital into talent and the right infrastructure to create revolutionary new production and products.What do you do for work?
>>536984207>a grifter fools retail and banker jewWow, those retail and banker jews are easily conned. How come they're holding you back in life if you're so much smarter than them? Which spaceship company do you feel is a better investment right now?
to be a millionaire you just have to own a house valued at 1 millionI have that due to the huge speculative price increases but I'm not rich, I still wage slave every day to pay billsI could sell it but then what? I'd have to buy another house to live in
>>536984557Im just an honest man making a living who sleeps with a clean conscious. I dont con people like the kikes you worship
>>536984298stupidest fucking thing ive ever heard
>>536984317>someone like Elon who can direct that capital into talent and the right infrastructure to create revolutionary new production and productsHe's going to get jeets to make exploding rockets.Don't fucking dox me on an anonymous board you fucking idiot. You first. What do you do other than guzzle trillionaire cum for free?
