>>536996050
Brazil is famous for it's shame culture

So with as little as 4 respondents from an entire country they made the classification

>>536996050
What's the difference between shame and fear here?

>>536996050

Shouldnt north korea being a fear based culture be obvious or

>>536996240

Fear = fear of physical aggression from/punishment by authority figures

Shame = also a 'fear', but a fear of drawing negative attention to oneself unrelated to direct legal punishment

>>536996240
Shame is based on how you are perceived by others.
Guilt is how you perceive yourself.

The latter requires self-awareness and honor and that's why brown people don't experience it. It's also why white countries are high-trust and not corrupt shitholes.

>respondents

>>536996050
Guilt (sinning) (schizophrenia)
>imaginary man sees me doing thing
Shame (embarrassment)
>another person sees me doing thing
Fear
>another person will hurt me if they see me doing thing

Applies to anything.
For example jaywalking:
>I'm brainwashed to feel bad for crossing the street
>Someone can feel disappointed if they see me, but I'm in control of how I feel about it
>I will get beaten by niggers if they don't like what I did

>>536996736
You sound brown as fuck

>>536996375
Guilty is for the weak. Strong men forgive themselves for their mistakes and move on.
You and your race will disappear because that weakness

>>536996050
I'm from a blue country and it cant be right. Its fear 80% of the way, followed by shame.

>>536996887
That's why your country will never revolt and is infested with immigrants.
You can accept shame and being ostracised, as a consequence of your actions.
Guilt is brainwashing by the jew on the stick religion/culture, to make you feel bad for even considering building your own moral compass.
Your culture is basically being a figurative sheep, "a lemming".

Shame is harder than guilt. You feel guilt for what you did. You feel shame for what you are. The latter attacks your whole entire being and the sense of self. However, you can simply refuse to feel either.

>>536996050
i have never felt shame

>>536997112
Threat of ostracization is fear. People don't self-censor because they feel bad about the heckin PoC, they do so because they don't want to be fired from their jobs and socioeconomically kneecapped

>>536996240
Guilt: assuming you live in a high trust society and that your participation in social rules has value

Shame: izzatmaxxing

Fear: it's not illegal if you dont get caught

>>536996375
>Guilt is how you perceive yourself.
That's not "you", that's your cultural imprint of morality.

>>536997236
Take the rent-free nigger out of your head, and replace it with other issues that can be judged.
If you are gay in guilt-based society you will hang yourself in your closet. In honor-shame culture you may disgrace your family and your father will call you a faggot.
No fear of "being fired from their jobs and socioeconomically kneecapped".

But you are amerigolem, your nigger and leftard infested society is already largely guilt-fear based, not pure guilt. You allowed it to go in the fear direction.
I hope you enjoy fearing feminists and "the heckin PoC".

>>536996888
Guilt
>I shouldn't embezzle public funds. My people who elected me trust me.
Shame
>Nobody see it, so who cares. GIMMEDAT

And that's why you are a corrupt banana republic famous only for big asses. But you are right. Whites are disappearing from this world. We are too good and pure for this hellscape.

>>536997584
If that is true, most countries would have shame cultures.

>>536996050
There’s no shame here though
In fact I’d say that a lot of people are fucking shameless nowadays

I love beating up brown men and beating and raping their whore women knowing that I will never face legal consequences because I am a good looking and physically intimidating white man

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>>536997584
Your argument doesn't work.
Japan vs. most guilt based countries.
Nordics and Germany are an outlier in the Guilt group, it's not a trend.
Even my map is incorrect, considering how prevalent embezzling public funds is in the UK.

How the Guilt-Shame framework works here, is what people BELIEVE, not the facts of corruption.

Shame is the external expression of judgment whereas Guilt is the internal expression of judgment - roughly speaking, you feel shame in how you are perceived by those around you, and feel guilt for how you perceive yourself.

Guilt is much more insidious. One can hide from shame, but guilt will follow you to the ends of the earth.

>>536996050
>meaningless graphic
>no context
>no explanation
>2017

terrific thread

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>>536996154
Kek

But I get what this map is, its just the average collectivist vs individualistic society (aka rice vs wheat farming society)
Asians were all rice farmers usually which is why their society evolved to putting emphasis on family and society (and maintaining social harmony)
Whereas the west was more wheat oriented which allowed them to be more independent and pursue their own goals first.
This is why many perceive Asians to be ‘shy’ on average

>>536996050
>israel
>guilt

>>536996154
It's called complexo de vira lata

>>536996050
shame culture is superior, it keeps women in check, thin and not openly whores at least

>>536996240
shame is izzat social currency, the more severe it is the more you will be an outcast
fear is the fear of getting ass whooped, literal physical altercation or getting killed as a result

>>536998199
There is no point in feeling shame or guilt. Just be ruthless and take what you want from anyone and produce as many sons as possible and teach them your ways

>>536998077
Asians flee from ego.
Westerners embrace it.

>>536998258
Assigning value to a culture based on the behaviour of women alone is what someone with a walnut sized brain might do. Do you have a walnut sized brain, anon?

>>536998454
Behaviour of women is decided by the respect of men.
It's a very valid way to judge the culture.

>>536998454
>behaviour of women alone
behaviour of women alone destroyed the west entirely at all levels, socially, economically, and politically. Are you a roastie with a flappy cunt, anon?

>>536998357
Nah, having children is pointless. The world is literally turning to shit rapidly.

>>536996050
this is how you know when a shill is im a thread, when they are attempting to shame you into caring what they think with alinsky shit.

>>536998661
You went quiet.
Have you reconsidered your position, or do you need more arguments advocating the value of honor-shame based culture?

>>536998814
You gave the best example yourself. In a guilt based society fags would just kill themselves.

In a guilt based society women wouldn't be whores. Guilt is based.

>>536996050
At least im not with the red commie faggots

>>536999017
And that's why in your country you will go to jail for denying or questioning holocaust, and for hailing at the Brandenburg Gate. Instead of just getting stink eye (and high-fives from like-minded individuals).
And since the society reprogrammed itself, majority of the zoomers are on the rainbow spectrum, because that's what not being guilty is right now. Guilt based societies are susceptible to brainwashing and falling for authoritarianism.

I don't know about your women to comment.

>>536999346
>it's illegal to doubt our greatest achievement
>it's illegal to display nazi symbols, thus ensuring they remain sacred and aren't contaminated by low class pleb
Pretty based if you ask me.

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>>536998154
they built a whole country on guilt
and when it comes to shame jews are absolutely shameless

>>536999647
In Judaism it is strongly disapproved of and almost forbidden to say the name of God.

The Swastika is so important to us that we straight up banned it.

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This is why Western justice systems simply cannot manage Africans, btw

They only understand instant corporal punishment (an ass whoopin'). Protracted trials, prison sentences etc are abstractions indecipherable to the negro brain.

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>>537000048
>In Judaism it is strongly disapproved of and almost forbidden to say the name of God.
I know that you are a collection of cults, each praying to different god, so you can't expose which cult you are part of.

You are very funny jew-kun.
What's the narrative that your unit 8200 are trying to push in this thread?

>>537000931
This is also the reason why niggers almost universally beat their children. Made me lol when I found this out. Violence is literally a natural part of their life. We should have never taken them out of Africa.

>>536996375
somewhat true but don't forget that the heavy guilt orientation is a cause of protestant christian culture. most of those countries have protestant roots except a few.

>>536996050
A mao of jewish subversion you mean.
>>536996375
Honor and shame go together. Guilt is a subversion.
>>536997704
We did, until your corrupt country rooted it out, to the glee of the jews.

>>537001476
>Honor and shame go together.
No they don't lol.

Look at chinks. Cheating is no big deal in their culture, it is only shameful if you get caught.

>>537001610
Confucianism considers rules a bad thing that corrupts people. Honor shame cultures are more flexible, and I think that face is even more so. Ot isn't considered cheating.

>>536996050
is it me or does this map keep changing?
also
>the pedo government where witnesses suicide in prison is orientated by guilt
>the pedo island where royals are totally fine until everyone realizes they're pedos is orientated by guilt
>israel is orientated by guilt
okay lol

>>536996050
I hate any map that puts me in the same category of America.
And why is France seperate from Southern Europe ? What a crap Map.

>>536996375
Due, the Definition of "Rechtstaat" by Anselm von Feuerback literally says the purpose of punishment is to clear [the victim]s shame.
That's why in a true Rechtstaat no victimless crimes should exists.

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>>536996375
>Shame is based on how you are perceived by others.
>Guilt is how you perceive yourself.
>The latter requires self-awareness and honor and that's why brown people don't experience it. It's also why white countries are high-trust and not corrupt shitholes.


Also
>Shame only works if there is risk of you getting caught (can't get shamed if you aren't caught after all)
>Guilt works EVEN WHEN THERE IS NO RISK OF GETTING CAUGHT

TLDR
>Shame wont keep you from taking all the money out of the money box at an unattended roadside fruit stand (if you don't think you will get caught)
>BUT GUILT WILL KEEP YOU FROM BEING A DIRTY ROTTEN THIEF

Guilt is also spiritually superior, it comes from within

Also under a shame based system you can do bad things if society allows it. If society allows you to say, torture puppies and kittens, then under a shame based culture you are good to go with all the puppy bashing and kitten blending you want

GUILT IS THE VASTLY SUPERIOR OPTION IN ALL REGARDS

I might have to add this to my "White locator maps" (picrel)

this map is a big redpill
if you have lived in both red and blue countries you know

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>>536996736
>Guilt (sinning) (schizophrenia)
>>imaginary man sees me doing thing
People who have to be told to be good because "God is watching" do not have any ability to self-reflect and should not pass on their mentally/spiritually weak DNA to future generations

Anyone who has to be told that God is watching to be good is incapable of looking inwards. They are weak. Their bloodline is weak. And history will forget them

>>537002815
>jews are morally and spiritually superior to the people who invented ethics
flag checks out
let me guess, the holocaust is real because blue countries would feel too guilty to make it up

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>>536997112
>You can accept shame and being ostracised, as a consequence of your actions.
>Guilt is brainwashing by the jew on the stick religion/culture, to make you feel bad for even considering building your own moral compass.
Guilt is both a weakness and strength. It made our nations so great but now it is being used to burn them to the ground

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>>536996154
What I'd you have no shame?

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>>537003316
What if* you have no shame?
>I hate autocorrect

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>>536997236
>Threat of ostracization is fear. People don't self-censor because they feel bad about the heckin PoC
Partially true. But you underestimate the stupidity of the normie. The normie will feel genuinely bad saying anything they were told they should feel generally bad saying. The external shame is added on top

Can someone explain a fear culture? Never heard of that.

>>537003447
...Should add I've traveled through Mozambique one of the few "fear" countries, still unsure what it means.

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>>536997961
>Guilt is much more insidious. One can hide from shame, but guilt will follow you to the ends of the earth.
Yep. You can be alone on a desert island with no one within 1,000 miles and feel guilty about something. Can't feel shame though. There are no witnesses

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>>537003200
>>jews are morally and spiritually superior to the people who invented ethics
>flag checks out
>let me guess, the holocaust is real because blue countries would feel too guilty to make it up
Jews? Huh?

>>537003511
Shame culture are when you're afraid of things like isolation, exile, socially motivated harassment towards someone who crosses a line. Sort of like izzat for pajeets or saving face for chinks/gooks.

Fear cultures are when a mob mentality towards eule breakers sort of takes over and collevtively you get hunted down and ohysically punished for going against an important rule. Its in tribal areas, like in africa where they give you the burning tire treatment for being gay. You're afraid for your safety because the punishment is physical

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>>537003447
>Can someone explain a fear culture? Never heard of that.
I don't save them but people post videos of black men tied up with on-fire tires around their waists

Fear culture means = DON'T BREAK THE RULES OR YOU GET THE FIRE TIRE

>>537003694
what color is israel?

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>>536996154

>>537003279
>>537003590
You are spreading the subversion.
Guilt means everything is perfectly OK as long as you can pulpil around the rules. I could deprive of your house and feel no guilt as long as it's technically legal. But it's shameful no matter what. That's why jews hate it so much and keep pushing their "rule based" or "rule of law" culture. So that they can keep finding loopholes.

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>>537003874
>what color is israel?
I have no idea what color Israel actually for real is. But it looks like a guilt based country on the map. Maybe when asked they chose "guilt" because it sounds the most correct to them. They probably have a different real answer (whatever real answer is) whether they are talking about stuff between themselves and dealing with the goyim

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>>537004297
brother, I don't think you're being jewish on purpose, but you are definitely dancing to jewish pipes
you are actually insane, retarded or both if you believe your "guilt morality" is more real than the jewish one, which I don't believe you do, but are scrambling for some sense of superiority over people who are the same as you because (((someone))) robbed you of any real dignity or pride

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>>537004749
>brother, I don't think you're being jewish on purpose, but you are definitely dancing to jewish pipes
>you are actually insane, retarded or both if you believe your "guilt morality" is more real than the jewish one, which I don't believe you do, but are scrambling for some sense of superiority over people who are the same as you because (((someone))) robbed you of any real dignity or pride
I have no idea what I am being accused of and I have no idea what goes on in the mind of a jew but I know it isn't what goes on in my mind. And what goes on in my mind is pure-100%-fully-empathy-fueled guilt that comes from completely within and has nothing to do with any external consequences of any kind. And that is what I believe builds the best societies. I would never do anything to hurt anybody ever in any way because I would torture myself for it for the rest of my life and that is the way things should be

If you want to include God and give Him credit for putting the empathy in me in the first place okay you could do that

>>537003157
You are mistaken in thinking that you need to be believing in god to be conditioned by the guilt culture. Europe is largely non-believing/non-practicing, but the whole continent is built on these religious values.
It's so deeply ingrained, that it doesn't matter if it's god, government, or another figure of authority.
Also this is not self-reflecting, it's not your judgement in guilt based systems. It's the collective society living in your head rent free.

The difference between guilt and shame, is that in guilt you have a higher authority that is the judging entity. In honor-shame culture you are equal and answer to your people directly.

>>537002815
Honor is not part of the guilt system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt%E2%80%93shame%E2%80%93fear_spectrum_of_cultures
If the authority in your guilt culture is big brother, then you are good if you rat out your neighbours, even if your claims are made up.

Look at Albania (extremely honor-shame based culture) and their concept of "besa".

>>536996050
So they determined a country's cultural orientation by asking 4 people?
Study of the century