BILLIONS of 1 day old chicks are put on conveyor belts leading to BLENDERS every single year.Millions of chicks are killed every year this way in countries like United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Belgium, the Netherlands, Spain, etcFor about every male chick put in a blender there’s a female of the egg laying hen breed that is caged in a tiny crowded battery cage in which she literally can’t even fully open her wings and will endure all other kinds of torture like multiple fractures many which will heal incorrectly, debeaking, etc An individual consumer choosing to purchase or boycott animal products is personally responsible for extra chicks being killed or spared. If you are not vegan you are personally causing this to happen to more animals here’s proofhttps://philarchive.org/rec/MCMAIOhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc (Only first few minutes of this video are relevant)https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-causal-inefficacy-objection-isAnd the comments and back and forth of this for any objections you may have to the efficacy of individual boycott of real meat which have already been debunked https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/comments/1otuhqv/individual_boycott_of_meat_does_matter/
>>537019829
their bodies are used for things like fertilizer and cat food which is why vegans should try to avoid organic vegan food and stick to cheaper conventional vegan food and vegan cat food
You know what really sucks is that the new style chicken nuggets from McDonald's are all white meat and they're fucking terrible, when I was a kid you would get them and they were the ground up chick paste and they were delicious
Chickens don't even really like to move much and we need good yield from chickens to feed everyoneEnd of the day chickens are retardedPigs have actually intelligence and the kaffir kill and eat pigs tooMuch more indefensible
>>537019829hey, your dog likes the food they make.
Oy vey! Please delete this. Torturing, murdering, imprisoning, and raping animals is fine, didn't you know! They're an inferior species, so that means it's OK. Yahweh told us we have dominion over the earth, remember goy?
Fight back against the culture of death and it’s animal agriculture abortion circumcision etc
>>537019829yummy yummy chicken nuggy
>>537019998Catholics will literally tell you that giving death penalty to Jeffery Epstein is bad but this is fine >>537019992Chickens are more intelligent then a newborn human but it’s still bad to circumcise Them and extra bad if done without anesthetic
>>537019953>vegan cat foodkill yourself sheltered subhuman
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>>537019829who cares we don't need an extra billion chickens
Yeah bro, it's a hard pill to swallow. I used to despite vegan fanaticism but the truth is no animal should suffer and die so I can stuff my face. For now I am 95% vegetarian. I would probably never be vegan but stay vegetarian while ensuring all milk and eggs were taken humanely from well-kept animals.
>>537020149No. Theres many well documented cases of cats who have been indoors there entire life so no hunting and also on a vegan diet there entire life since they were adopted as kittens Synthetic vegan versions of nutrients found in meat like taurine exist
>>537019829AND I'M LAFFIN
>>537020138A newborn human is not exactly a geniusMeanwhile the famous Japanese wagyu cows are essentially not allowed to move at allThey are just standing there cradle to grave That's how they get that marblingIs that fair? I don't think soWhere's the free range wagyu
>>537019829Vegans, like democrat voters and politicians, should be violently beaten to death at every available opportunity.
>>537019829This spammer posts a bit different message this time.
Did you jack off again op
>>537020245Eggs are one of the worst and humane eggs are a mythThe egg farmer got the chicks from a breeder that culled the males like op Also the hens are killed when they are relatively young and healthy just because egg production decreased but if an animal is living a mostly bad life, suffering massively in a factory farm and experiencing little wellbeing then it’s wrong to breed them into existence.If an animal is living a mostly good life, perhaps on a pasture then it’s wrong to cut their mostly good life short by executing them when they’re a healthy teenager.Why take a utilitarian view of “non humans” but take an inalienable rights view towards “humans” ?
>>537020314Not a spammer >>537020260wagyu and foe gras are also bad
>>537020248>he relies on technocapital to feed his pets syntheticskys
Did one or two non humans give birth to a human thousands of years ago? Would it be moral to eat one or both of the parents but not the child?This dialogue tree has been used by vegans many times in live debates, (feel free to comment on one of their videos, email them, message them on Instagram etc to challenge them to a debate on NTT )https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JiGT6ox0Y-Mhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gJR5vsrkr9Ahttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oQLjgo2TfcMhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrtziO8Ffc4&pp=ygUjRHIgQXZpIGRlYmF0ZSB2ZWdhbiBuYW1lIHRoZSB0cmFpdCA%3DIf someone says it's okay to kill a animal and turn them into a burger but not okay to do that to a human and the reason they give is that animals can't reason but humans can they'd have to bite the bullet and say it's okay to turn severely permanently mentally handicapped humans who can't reason into burgers. Or go vegan. Or name another trait(s)
Immigration is one of the main supporting factors of the factory farm, no one would want to work in these places unless they were very desperate. It all ties together.
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>>537020536Yes many are also ex convicts
the case of the egg-laying hen, with the facts gathered from this report. https://welfarefootprint.org/research-projects/laying-hens/ Egg-laying hens in conventional farms endure about 400 hours (!!!!!) of this kind of disabling agony. Remember, this is agony about as bad as the worst thing that’s ever happened to you, unless you’ve had an experience as bad as being severely tortured. This is the agony that makes it impossible to think of anything else. The hens endure about an hour of a day of this extremely intense agony.This intense pain comes from many sources including (this list is non-exhaustive):Bone fractures. The majority of hens experience a bone fracture over the course of their life. On average, they have three. Imagine if you broke the same bone three times This is, and I can’t emphasize this enough, what most hens deal with the industry that produces our eggs is so cruel that it breaks the bones of most hens multiple times.
>>537020653In fact, the situation is much worse for hens than it would be for us because the area around their keel bone, which is the most common kind of fracture, has a huge number of nerves. While such experiences in humans usually produce disabling pain for about a day, for chickens, such pain lasts about a weekOften the bone doesn’t heal properly, leading to constant intense agonyInjurious pecking. In a hen's natural environment, she’ll spend most of her time pecking the ground looking for food. In a modern farm, hens can’t do that, so they spend a lot of their time pecking other hens, often leading to severe injury (just imagine that you were being bitten all the time by people surrounding you). It’s not terribly uncommon for hens to be pecked to death (seriously imagine what it would be like for that to happen) or for pecking to affect a hen’s body part known as the vent which is particularly sensitive (in this case, for the males reading this, imagine someone biting your balls). Often this becomes infected.Every one of a hen’s natural behaviors are thoroughly squashed in the farms. Hens cannot make a nest prior to laying an egg, which causes them quite severe distress. Hens are willing to undergo strong electric shocks in order to get a suitable nest—about as strong as the electric shocks they’ll endure in order to get food after being starved for 28 hours (!!!!!). Remember, hens lay an egg roughly daily! This may not seem like a big deal, but only because we don’t appreciate the experience of being a nesting hen; an alien wouldn’t understand why we care about sex so much. Konrad Lorenz, a nobel prize winner summarized:“The worst torture to which a battery hen is exposed is the inability to retire somewhere for the laying act.
>>537020555cats are carnivores
>>537020727Yes they are and there’s lots of cases of cats that follow a vegan diet for years are healthy as long as that vegan diet contains synthetic vegan versions of the nutrients only naturally found in meat that cats need like taurine
>>537020850
Gods perfect plan shitlord!
>>537020949Or a result of human free will and evil
Hmm, now my question is how can we implement this into third worlds like India.
OPAdmit it you masturbated to something you shouldn't haveAgain
>>537020996It’s already happening in the first world
Factory farming is evil and the cruelty is the point because our society is satanic and hates of Gods creation.
>>537019829Should be Indians in there.
>>537019829Not even vegan or vegetarian but factory farming is one of the most evil, revolting aspects of the modern world. Nothing of value would be lost if mass scale animal farming was banned.
>>537019829And an equal number (the females) are raised and slaughtered for food. It's just one step in a process for agribusiness.If you have a profound objection to the process, you can stop eating commercial chicken.
>>537020850you don't care about nature, you just want to feel good pretending you have no stake over what's happening in the world.
>>537021163I already have and I encourage others to do so because what happens to the males and females is wrong
>>537019829Don't you DARE try to fuck with my chicken nuggie supply! I don't care how impotent your movement will be, this would constitute an idealogical attack and I'd never forgive it.Apologize, now.
>>537019829There should be something like this but for pitbull puppies.
>>537021203I think reducing wild animal suffering by building more human infrastructure is goodI oppose rewilding land
hello welcome to planet earth
>>537021239>>537019973>>537020118Other brands also make vegan chickn tenders
>>537021289Based, total shitbull death
>>537021048Ok, but I reiterate what I said. "how can we implement this into third worlds like India"
We need to start doing this at the border.
>>537021291>wild animal suffering>human infrastructureyou're contradicting yourself
>>537021500Replace forest with parking lotLess wild animal suffering occurs on that acre
>>537019829Those Chicken McNuggets aren't going to make themselves
>>537021163>commercial*industrialie jewishI buy healthy chicken from clean, local farmers, and wouldn't even think about eating industrial shitfirst and foremost because industrial shit indeed tastes like shit
>>537019829Since my trusty German fellows are already asleep at 2:15 AM,friendly reminder that we (no longer) do this in Germany.No, the industrial practice of "chick shredding" (or maceration) is completely illegal in Germany. Germany was the first country in the world to implement a nationwide ban on culling day-old male chicks in the egg industry.The historic legal ban includes the following details:The Ban: As of January 1, 2022, hatcheries are strictly prohibited from killing newly hatched male chicks (which are discarded because they do not lay eggs and are not suited for meat production).The Alternative: Hatcheries are now required by law to use in-ovo sexing technology. This detects the sex of the chick while it is still inside the egg, so the egg can be destroyed long before the embryo develops and feels pain.Labeling: Thanks to this regulation, many egg cartons in Germany are sold under the label "Ohne Kükentöten" (without chick killing) to reassure consumers that the law is being followed.Would you like to know more about in-ovo sexing technology or how the ban has impacted the German egg industry? Let me know and I can share more details!
>>537019829We CAN and WILL maximize the suffering output for the sake of efficiency
>>537021698tell vegan to give up their gas chamber."I would rather DIE than stop snow boarding!"
>>537021740It’s hypocritical to oppose infant circumcision but not oppose farm animal mutilation
>>537019829So what's the big deal? Looks like they die almost instantly. Except for the few that get popped up by the blade first due to a weird angle. It's all over in a second and their enjoying themselves on a little ride before it hits out of the blue.You ever see those racoon dog videos out of China? That's some awful stuff. But of course you're just faggots, and directing your energy towards actual animal suffering is hard.
>>537021882vegan cat food is evil
>>537019829Literally who fucking caresChickens are the most retarded animals, I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if their experience of pain wasn't complicated enough to allow them to suffer.
>>537021698>mosquito extinctionno wonder you're retarded if you think you can solve "problems" by creating new ones.
>>537021882No it isn't
>>537021898For every male in the blender theres a female in a cage suffering intensely for many hours If a ban on male chick killing would increase the costs of eggs and chicken flesh I’d support it so people buy less animal products
>>537021912No it isn’tPaying for dozens of mammals or birds to be bred into existence and then be tortured and murdered after having lived a hellish life just so you can feed your one cat pet is evil especially when vegan cat food exists
>>537019953At least it's quick. That's more than most of us can expect
>>537022005Who fucking gives a shit kys
>>537022088proper cat food is made with the unwanted parts of beef, you niggerfaggoting niggermonkey
>>537021915The Cambridge declaration of consciousness and new york update to it says all birds and mammals can suffer a significant amount Your belief that the average chicken is too unintelligent to suffer a significant amount is disagreed with by most cognitive neuroscientists, neuropharmacologists, neurophysiologists, neuroanatomists, computational neuroscientists, neuroscientists, biologists, psychologists, veterinarians, ethologists, ecologists, and animal welfare experts
>>537022088>vegan cat foodoxymoron>synthetic slopdependency on techno cuckoldry
>>537021938You can make malaria almost unheard of without making mosquitoes extinct by doing things like distributing insecticide treated bed nets by donating to against malaria foundation
>>537022172Why is that more proper
>>537022261>muh """consciousness"you're a literal slave using false concepts to justify your existence
>>537022005How exactly do you if the hen is suffering or not? You faggots just make shit up. You're all a bunch of lies.In fact, there are well known studies that prove that caged hens are much more happy than free roaming ones because they don't have to worry about hawks.See how that works? Now you'll feel better when you have an omelet.
>>537019829you can thank adolf hitler for the invention of the genocide line!!!
>>537022341eat asbestosdrink fluoride (it's good for your teeth)
>>537021975It’s hypocritical to say you are a victim while victimizing others Name the trait shows animal rights are a logical extension of human rights
>>537022367because proper one has more animal proteinthat isn't even obtained by evil means
>>537022567human rights are a constructthat's why the UN gave you those, and not god
>>537022290So is modern Veterinarian care which leads to good outcomes
>>537019829BASED
>>537019829Well then do something about it you monster!
>>537022392I can’t know for literally 100% certain but I am at least 99% sureIt’s similar to how I’d know a newborn human is suffering Okay and theres people volunteering at vegan animal sanctuaries who disagree, I already gave research in this thread about caged conditions like fractures which theres about 3 per hen many which heal incorrectly leading to constant pain >>537022453They had more animal welfare laws then china today
>>537022456I use hdroxypatite
>>537019829youre vegan and gay
>>537022392everything that dies suffers even perhaps a cellular automata feels pain i just feel it yknow?
>>537022578Show it leads to significantly better health outcomes? So y milk protein for example is almost as good as cows milk protein in every way amount absorbability etc The veal industry is very evil
>>537022567>animal rights are a logical extension of human rightsBro we can't live on nothing. Plant rights are a logical extension of animal rights. THis will never be a black-and-white issue unless you advocate simply forcing everything on earth to starve to death.
>>537022643Yes but only humans grant and enforce rights Definition of VeganismVeganismAn applied ethical position that advocates for the equal trait-adjusted application of commonplace human rights to non-human sentient beings.Semantic Analysis• Sentient Being: An entity for whom a subjective experience can be soundly argued, such as with vertebrate animals.• Applied Ethical Position: A view which one holds under applied ethics.• Applied Ethics: Application of ethics to real-world problems, such as War, Animal rights, Capital punishment, Euthanasia, Abortion, Anti-natalism,.. etc.• Equal Trait-Adjusted Application: The kind of action we would support if we NTT between animals and humans for a particular scenario (like driving).• Commonplace Human Rights: Human rights that are commonly accepted in human society like UN's declaration of human rights.•NTT: Name The Trait.• Right: An entitlement that would be ethically wrong to deny.
>>537022966>The veal industry is very evilnot particularlynot that the milk industry concerns me: I'm intolerant to casein (milk protein)not the same as jews (who are intolerant to lactose)since my 40's, I've become intolerant to egg proteins too, sadly (I loved eggs, before it gave me pajeet tier diarrhea for hours)I'll never stop eating meat, though: meat is strength
>>537022989No they aren’t because plants aren’t conscious If I’m 50% sure a 12 week old human fetus has x amount of consciousness, ability to suffer, experience wellbeing etc then I should grant rights to all beings who I am at least 50% sure are as conscious, able to suffer or experience wellbeing as the 12 week old human fetus i care about
>>537021356absolutely antithetical
>>537023124https://thehumaneleague.org/article/veal-animalVeal calves are crammed into tiny crates with just enough space to stand so that their muslces don’t properly develop to make the meat more tenderStress positions are torture
>>537023485animals have the right to be tastyI far prefer beef to veal, anyway
>>537023485>>537023124Also veal crates used in usa are banned in places like uk and Europe because they are so cruel
>>537019829We need to do the same thing but with human male babies. There's far too many men and the would be much better if only the top 1% of male babies were kept alive and the rest were killed like this.
>>537023657least radical feminist
>>537023657bitches be doing nothing
>>537020536>no one would want to work in these places unless they were very desperatetypical imkigrationist argument. One of these days you will tell me how South Korea feeds itself not having brownoid immigrants in agriculture. Places in society are limited so if you don't have brownoids all the places are filled with just higher salaries.
>>537020378We need to exterminate non-whites so we can support the world population entirely on animals fed and maintained in the proper way. Factory farms exist only to keep the population of niggers and other subhumans alive.
>>537020507>they'd have to bite the bullet and say it's okay to turn severely permanently mentally handicapped humans who can't reason into burgers.I already made a thread earlier this morning advocating the extermination of the disabled. As for eating them, cannibalism is a health risk, better to feed their corpses to a different species like maybe lobsters or something and then eat the lobsters.
>>537023558That still involves painful procedures like dehorning, branding and castration and before they are killed they are kept in horrible conditions on the long journey to slaughter
>>537023862I agree that it’s impossible to feed billions of people a diet of 50+% pasture raised animal products but it is possible to feed 8 billion people a vegan diet
>>537020653I know a farmer whose hand became paralysed so he used a hammer to break his hand over and over many times for well over a year repeating this. He was able to move his hand again and he also now has finger bones as strong as claws that are basically invincible. I remember see his hand and it's like harder than stone. Hands so tough he probably could smash bricks with them no problem.
>>537023952well if someone thinks it’s okay to experiment on / torture in laboratories animal for medicine or makeup then they’d also have to say it’s okay to torture with medical experimentation trait equalized severely mentally handicapped humans
>>537023862you voted for it with your wallet retard>>537023952great priorities faggot>>537024017delusional cope
>>537020707I'm 33 and never get to have sex, so by your reasoning I'm being tortured.
>>537019829I prefer a nice capon in a cream sauce with some puff pastry and a nice macon-villages
>>537019829Thank you for your concern, which is one that I personally share, but right now the priority is to deal with invasive shitskins and the evil kikes that enable their shitty behaviour, including your picrel, so please just be patient. I understand your frustration, but it takes time to clean up neglected societal garbage. You can help by joining in the cleanup efforts, if you like.
>>537020757William Walker Atkinson wrote about the very strong maternal instinct in animals.
>>537019829i don't eat chickens cause im not a chicken. I only eat pork.
>>537020138>more intelligent than a newborn humanYou need to have some kids and stop worrying about animals. You have no clue.
>>537020903What point is this poster making? I'm pro-slavery and pro-abortion.
>>537023970you're so fucking zeisty
my two chicks that hatched in april:)
>>537024087Okay>A rare genetic mutation, specifically the LRP5 gene, has been found in some individuals that leads to unbreakable bones. This mutation has been observed in a family in Connecticut, showcasing unique physical traits associated with stronger bone densityMartin shrekli said theres a drug for it tooDoesn’t mean there fractures aren’t painful especially >>537020707 in keel area How is a hen supposed to have high bone density when it’s A bird and birds are not known for dense bones Selectively bred to lay an egg a day leading to osteoporosis Also dense bones = can’t swim
>>537021148It would cause mass nig and jeet starvation if it was banned. So double the reason to ban it.
>>537019829I love the mass murder of animalsIt makes me feel good
>>537024258Chickens can remember specific people and form bonds with them and form social structures like pecking orders
>>537021356I'm allergic to the proteins of legumes. Peas, beans, peanuts, clover, alfalfa; all will make me break out in hives and have a hard time breathing and risk dying.
>>537019992>chickens dont really like to move muchShut the fuck up zutt boy. I have free range chickens and they run all over the place all day
>>537024423Yet as a farmer you will inevitably kill your chickens and eat them eventually. There's an ineffable maturity to a life where you befriend your animals and also eat them.
>>537023212>consciousDefine that. They are aware of their surroundings, and respond accordingly. Some are so fragile if you touch them wrong they die. When you eat a salad, all of that matter is still alive, still metabolizing, still trying to respond to its fate. "sense of self" is not that special
>>537024443Go to a dietitian Grains have protein so do grain extracts like seitan for example
>>537019829If only we could do the same for niggers.
>>537024508Having a mind
>>537024322I WANT TO SMASH EM
>BILLIONS of sins are released from people every single yearthank you jewish indeustry
I must go now I’ll probably be back in about an hour
>>537019953>Deprive dogs and cats of meatThat is animal cruelty and they should be locked up for it
>>537024603And what about that makes that organism particularly worth preserving when Nature offers no such protection for those possessed of the trait?
>>537021851Why is feeling pain a big deal maybe we should just euthanize anyone on the spot who starts to feel some pain and especially those who feel chronic pain?
>>537024443why the eugenics flag then?
>>537019829this isn't political though. why do you keep posting this every two weeks? at least offer to grind indians this way. we can use them as fertilizer to feed all the cows in india. there are over however many billions of indians and there are only a finite number of resources. wouldn't it make sense? chickens take far less resources than a dalit jeet. and before anyone says anything all jeets are dalit.
>>537021882Humans can sometimes achieve self-awareness and know that they are alive and will one day die.Animals don't achieve that.Also the mirror test is shit, human children can pass it while being unable to form episodic memories and know they actually exist.Animals don't have episodic memories and have no clue they even exist. There is nothing it's like to be an animal, they don't have experiences, thus can't have joy or pain.
>>537019997https://youtu.be/Mua_JKYEat8?t=341
>>537019829And?
>>537022261Link me because I don't believe most humans can suffer nevermind animals.
>>537021851Good on you guys, down to labeling packaging. 99% of brands dont do that here in the US, which leaves consumers in the dark, and the smart assumption is that most meat you buy went through horrific conditions.
>>537022261now do plants and go do a flip when you realize you are just a lower tier of monster, a retarded imp
>>537025003dominion.org
>>537022851>It’s similar to how I’d know a newborn human is sufferingNewborn humans are definitely not capable of suffering. The first 5 years of my life are entirely missing, no suffering occurred in that time.
>>537019829>BILLIONS of 1 day old chicks are put on conveyor belts leading to BLENDERS every single year.How else would you make chicken nuggets?!!?
>>537022966Onions milk causes me the worst allergic reactions and will kill me.Almond milk which I can drink got implicated awhile ago as a health-risk so I stopped drinking it, apparently it's really bad for you.
>>537020555Your monoculture farm does infinite more damage through pesticides and threshing machines than a simple ranch which restores the lands fertility instead of destroying it with chemicals.
>>537025114they're just hungry
>>537025152fuck off intolerant chud
>>537023700>>537023800To begin with, every non-white male should be systematically killed on birth. The world doesn't need anymore non-white men shitting it up. The abortion of all non-white male babies should be mandatory, the abortion of white male babies optional, unless the baby is definitely retarded then it should be mandatory.
>>537019874It is quick. Hope they didn't suffer.
>>537025042I buy from local butchers who own a livestock ranch.my meat is grassfed, no HGH or other chems, and I even got to see their ranch and handling of the steers they raise, all healthy happy herdies.the beef tastes completely different than what beef from walmart tastes like, even aldi's cant match that earthy raw aftertaste.just a pinch of salt and pepper and bam its the yummiest healthiest beef I ever had.
>>537024017>lets all become pajeets eating shitbeanslopHell no.Also I'm a Georgia Guidestones supporter and that means 500 million max.Just because you can farm humans doesn't mean you can give them all a high quality of life.I want a world where every human owns a lot of land and a personal spaceship.
>>537025315no balls
>>537024800>faggot flagWhat do you have against eugenics, other than that without it, you were not aborted?
>>537025421up your meatbag game
>>537024092>well if someone thinks it’s okay to experiment on / torture in laboratories animal for medicine or makeup then they’d also have to say it’s okay to torture with medical experimentation trait equalized severely mentally handicapped humansI believe that both would be equally valid. Might as well make use of a quadriplegic potato human that can only drool and has no experiences.I'm a National Socialist so of course doing any kind of experiments to advance science is justified to me.I do think however torture is inefficient and we may as well avoid it if it can be avoided. Even though I don't think the subject being tortured is experiencing it, it perhaps still produces some kind of psychic pollution in the ideosphere, although maybe said energy (loosh) would actually be useful.
>>537024098>you voted for it with your wallet retardVoted for what? Also I eat at soup kitchens lol, I don't pay into anything.>great priorities faggotI do indeed believe my priorities are very good. You should stop coddling niggers and retards. It's a shame the highly artificial conditions we live in today allow for the proliferation of such subhumans.
>>537024218You forgot the Ukraine flag though.
>>537024775It's common sense to minimize it where we can, the chicks can't do anything for their situation.Besides, by method of not hatching them you also save the ressources for growing the male chicks that were only getting shredded for salvaging.>>537025042Before it was actual law, there were a lot of companies who would allow the male chicks to grow and also had labels for it on the packaging.They were usually the most expensive product but I was always rather buying the higher quality eggs anyways, so I would mostly go for them.It should start with companies changing it and getting more popular, yes.
>>537024868>HumansThis term only covers white people in general, imo.
>>537019829OP we all know how chicken nuggets are made.
>>537025606mindraped queer
>>537024328It's just his one hand that became super dense from repeatedly breaking the bones in it with a hammer.Adrenaline in my experience blocks pain.I've lived with chronic pain all my life and adrenaline issues because my body is always producing heavy amounts of adrenaline so I even get hallucinations and disassociation when the pain becomes extreme.The victims of torture (which I am one of them) are known to disassociate and develop issues like multiple personality disorder (now renamed disassociative identity disorder).A lot of the time the worst pain is specifically when recovering from an injury too and when trying to sleep or waking up the next day.Usually I feel no pain while a bad injury happens. In September recently I got hit by a car, I felt nothing at all because so much adrenaline, yet I got seriously fucked up in a way that took me months to recover.Furthermore humans are willing to endure all kinds of things like chemotherapy that cause terrible pain just to try and stay alive.You've also noted that chickens will be electrocuted a lot while trying to build a nest.My point being is that pain is not that big of a deal. Death perhaps, maybe, is possibly a concern? At least for humans. Creatures that aren't even self-aware though are already dead basically, you have to be aware to really be alive. Death can't have any meaning to something that never was aware in the first place.I see animals as moral equivalents of robots. You can just destroy a clanker and it doesn't mean anything other than a waste of a resource maybe.
>>537024423>nose ring theoryWe need to put her on a conveyor belt to a meatgrinder, this one clearly turned out defective.
>>537019829Animals dying by human hands pisses me off top tier
>>537024571I'm also extremely poor so I don't get to do these fancy virtue signal diets. It's either eat what I get from dumpsters or soup kitchens or begging or die.
>>537025960this is the saddest post i have ever seen
>>537020707:(
>>537024800The people most in favor of eugenics naturally are those who have been hurt the most by dysgenics. Normalfags who've never had to deal with a disabled person or worse yet go through disability themselves can easily virtue signal to themselves about this shit and never really understand the situation. I'm not surprised at all so many niggers and spics are NatSoc too on here as they are victims of inferior racial breeding. If you've never had to suffer from dysgenics then of course it's easy for you to go against eugenics.
>>537019829I don't eat meat, OPuto, now what?
>>537019953>>537019874Retarded AI videos
>>537025079Your link is shit.
>>537026285sorry, watchdominion dot org
>>537019829I have not eaten chicken in at least 6 years.
If only you showed the same concern for your fellow man. Also that's some premo protein. My muscles are grateful
>>537019829OP, why do you like watching and sharing animal gore? You sick fuck
>>537019829What is the solution to this? Few understand the negative metaphysical energies such blood libel sacrifice unleashes. Even if they are just chicks, BILLIONS every year is no joke.
>>537026475there is a difference between animal torture and industrial abuse, one isn't illegal.
>>537025761>Besides, by method of not hatching them you also save the ressources for growing the male chicks that were only getting shredded for salvaging.See this kind of reasoning is more persuasive to me. I don't like inefficiency. >>537025798A lot of niggers never even came up with a word for future or past, which suggests their form of consciousness is not one that is in time, aka they're a bunch of animals we can just butcher and treat like any other fauna.
>>537026259No it’s footage from an undercover investigation and was first published online about a decade ago
>>537026559anthropologist larper
>>537019829and? what are you suggesting as an alternative?
On this day of July 7, 2012, a prominent international group of cognitive neuroscientists,neuropharmacologists, neurophysiologists, neuroanatomists and computational neuroscientistsgathered at The University of Cambridge to reassess the neurobiological substrates of consciousexperience and related behaviors in human and non-human animals. While comparative research onthis topic is naturally hampered by the inability of non-human animals, and often humans, to clearlyand readily communicate about their internal states, the following observations can be statedunequivocally:• The field of Consciousness research is rapidly evolving. Abundant new techniques and strategiesfor human and non-human animal research have been developed. Consequently, more data isbecoming readily available, and this calls for a periodic reevaluation of previously heldpreconceptions in this field. Studies of non-human animals have shown that homologous braincircuits correlated with conscious experience and perception can be selectively facilitated anddisrupted to assess whether they are in fact necessary for those experiences. Moreover, inhumans, new non-invasive techniques are readily available to survey the correlates ofconsciousness.• The neural substrates of emotions do not appear to be confined to cortical structures. In fact,subcortical neural networks aroused during affective states in humans are also critically importantfor generating emotional behaviors in animals. Artificial arousal of the same brain regionsgenerates corresponding behavior and feeling states in both humans and non-human animals.
>>537026649Wherever in the brain one evokes instinctual emotional behaviors in non-human animals, manyof the ensuing behaviors are consistent with experienced feeling states, including those internalstates that are rewarding and punishing. Deep brain stimulation of these systems in humans canalso generate similar affective states. Systems associated with affect are concentrated insubcortical regions where neural homologies abound. Young human and non-human animalswithout neocortices retain these brain-mind functions. Furthermore, neural circuits supportingbehavioral/electrophysiological states of attentiveness, sleep and decision making appear to havearisen in evolution as early as the invertebrate radiation, being evident in insects and cephalopodmollusks (e.g., octopus).• Birds appear to offer, in their behavior, neurophysiology, and neuroanatomy a striking case ofparallel evolution of consciousness. Evidence of near human-like levels of consciousness has beenmost dramatically observed in African grey parrots. Mammalian and avian emotional networksand cognitive microcircuitries appear to be far more homologous than previously thought.
>>537026664Moreover, certain species of birds have been found to exhibit neural sleep patterns similar tothose of mammals, including REM sleep and, as was demonstrated in zebra finches,neurophysiological patterns, previously thought to require a mammalian neocortex. Magpies in[Low, P. The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness. Proceedings of the Francis CrickMemorial Conference, Churchill College, Cambridge University, July 7 2012, pp 1-2.]particular have been shown to exhibit striking similarities to humans, great apes, dolphins, andelephants in studies of mirror self-recognition.• In humans, the effect of certain hallucinogens appears to be associated with a disruption incortical feedforward and feedback processing. Pharmacological interventions in non-humananimals with compounds known to affect conscious behavior in humans can lead to similarperturbations in behavior in non-human animals. In humans, there is evidence to suggest thatawareness is correlated with cortical activity, which does not exclude possible contributions bysubcortical or early cortical processing, as in visual awareness. Evidence that human and non-human animal emotional feelings arise from homologous subcortical brain networks providecompelling evidence for evolutionarily shared primal affective qualia.We declare the following: “The absence of a neocortex does not appear to preclude an organism fromexperiencing affective states. Convergent evidence indicates that non-human animals have theneuroanatomical, neurochemical, and neurophysiological substrates of conscious states along with thecapacity to exhibit intentional behaviors.
>>537026687Consequently, the weight of evidence indicates that humansare not unique in possessing the neurological substrates that generate consciousness. Non-humananimals, including all mammals and birds, and many other creatures, including octopuses†, also possessthese neurological substrates.”* The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness was written by Philip Low and edited by Jaak Panksepp, Diana Reiss, David Edelman, Bruno VanSwinderen, Philip Low and Christof Koch. The Declaration was publicly proclaimed in Cambridge, UK, on July 7, 2012, at the Francis Crick MemorialConference on Consciousness in Human and non-Human Animals, at Churchill College, University of Cambridge, by Low, Edelman and Koch. TheDeclaration was signed by the conference participants that very evening, in the presence of Stephen Hawking, in the Balfour Room at the Hoteldu Vin in Cambridge, UK. The signing ceremony was memorialized by CBS 60 Minutes.†The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness was written as the summary of the Francis Crick Memorial Conference hosted by Philip Low atCambridge University. While it is indisputable that all vertebrates, including fish and reptiles do possess the neurological substrates ofconsciousness, and that there is further very strong evidence to support that invertebrates, including but not limited to decapod crustaceans,cephalopod mollusks, and insects, also do, only octopuses were explicitly named because there was a scientific presentation on them at the
>>537026114Suffering has its limits. Either adrenaline blocks the pain or disassociation causes you to leave your body while horrific things are being done to you. This also extends not to just phsyical trauma but other kinds of trauma (emotional, sexual, etc.). Nature didn't design us to suffer all that terribly, there's so many built-in mechanisms to limit our suffering. It's not hard for me to cut myself or burn myself or endure all manner of things.If an animal was capable of self-awareness the way a human is, it would also just start leaving its body before the body itself actually dies.
>>537026389I actually was in jail for attempted murder of a person. It felt great. Make that 3 but was charged only once.Still, years later I had to slaughter some animals, because there were too many males and too much fighting. My hands were shaking and I had to get pissed drunk to do it. The meat tasted bitter and I hated it.
>>537019829Almost EVERY PITA member is PRO-ABORTION.Human lives do NOT matter to them.
>>537019992>Chickens don't even really like to move muchBullshit coping to try and convince yourself it's not that bad what we're doing. But it is and telling yourself that is just the easy way out that doesn't actually solve anything.
>>537024680The animals fed to dogs and cats are deprived of a lot more >>537024698My preferences, just like my preferences and the preferences of other humans to preserve the lives of severely mentally handicapped humans
>>537026358This is a movie. Will it link at some point to the studies I want or discuss the possibility of consciousness in animals? I still don't even consider human babies self-aware. You need episodic memory to have a narrative about yourself, to know you exist, to form an identity, etc. so they better prove animals have that kind of memory somehow. Human babies don't even have it.Also I tried to post your link in this post and it got filtered as "spam". Some janny retard is trying to stop you posting that site. Fuck censorship.Edit 2: even the youtube link to the documentary is censored wtf
>>537024775Because of intrinsic goods euthanized people would miss out on like pleasure and relationships
>>537026553I understand the energies very well yet the Earth is a place of constant life and death and all that death has some kind of influence but I wouldn't call it "negative". I'd rather call it "raw" in the sense of it being an energy that can be redirected, it's not very programmed or focused. Humans on the other hand produce very focused energy and can create really interesting phenomena especially when they're dying.
>>537025101Theres adult humans who clearly experienced suffering when they were walking and talking and awake but have no memories of it afterwards
>>537019829animal eating is a sick death cult ideology that must be extinguished
>>537025152Where’s the evidence that almond milk is unhealthy
thats a pretty quick deathbetter than living as a human in todays society...
>>537025193What damage? Nitrogen and stuff can be added back to the soil and cows make lots of greenhouse gases
>>537026642>salty that random nigger tribes can't even think about future or past and have no words for it>in denial about clearly observable nigger behavior where they can do things and have no accountability for it because they aren't even aware of what they did one second ago
>>537019829>I have posted it again
>>537027017markov chain
>>537026727Cluster headaches are also known as suicide headaches because the pain is so bad it has made some people kill themselves. Sometimes things can seem worse than they really feel but that's not always true.
>>537026649Are you aware of any advanced meditational practices that can be used to assess the quality of consciousness of various subjects like animals, plants, objects, etc? Anything within maybe the buddhist or Hindo or etc communities that allows one to experience what it's like to be this or that thing? I know Salvia allows people to experience being an inanimate object.
>>537027114you can always medicate with alcohol
>>537027182that's just a psychosisnone of that shit israel
>Killed by instant death in a grinderSo?Could be 600 trillion I honestly would not care. It's a bird.
>>537020850vegan gains killed his cat through liver failure at 4 years old.
>>537026815It should be illegal and the mother should be jailed if the fetus was old enough to have a significant chance at being conscious (probably around 8 weeks so most abortions) and the mother was not raped (actual rape). It’s still immoral in rape cases thoExceptions for extremely rare cases in which the mother will probably die without the abortion are okayIt’s really the pro life movement faultOnly abortion abolishinists are actually willing to call for women to be imprisonedPro life lawmakers killAbortion abolishinist bills because feminist pro life groups tell them tohttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkH3vrevU9oAbortion pills which can be easily legally quickly and cheaply or in some cases freely obtained and ordered online work to to 14 weeks legal in all fifty statesThe earliest case for which I believe the precautionary principle should hold was around 43-45 days. Which comes out to be 6.1-6.4 weeks.The fetal brain begins to develop around 3-5 weeks gestation. So I am okay with abortions prior to that timeframe.It's hard to say what the levels of sentience equate to at each week. But I wouldn't not assume this is a miniscule amount of sentience. Many EEG brain patterns observed in fetal brains as early as 6.1-6.4 weeks ( high voltageslow waves with superimposed fast activity) are comparable to mature birds, mature frogs, mature rabbits and the mature marmot. We can even observe sleep spindles in the fetal brain this early.Does this prove the same degree of sentience? No. Does this give us reason to take the precautionary principle with respect to this degree of sentience? Yes
NOOOOO NOT MUH HECKIN WHOLESOME CHUNGUS BIRDERINOS
>>537019829>debateavegan>they won't debate you>just ban youHmm...
>>537027185Alcohol for headaches seems counterintuitive.
Every boy we find, gets culled. Cry more vegan faggotT. Chicken anon
>>537026705>are not unique in possessing the neurological substrates that generate consciousness.This is an unproven materialist reductionist claim. The substrate absolutely does not generate consciousness, it only channels it. They are so wrong to make this claim here that it generates it.
>>537027270The cat was vegan for years before it died and sometimes cats do die at a couple years old Also I think it was kidney failure
>>537021500All of vegan ideology is based on the idea that life is inherently suffering in any part of it and a logical reduction to this (along with any other suffering-based ideologies) is an extinction of all life on earth, save a few intelligent humans to make sure that all life remains extinct.They unironically believe this btw and it's not an exaggeration, this is why all suffering-based ideologies are bad. This guy has made the same thread 300 times before with the same posts.
>>537027367You don't have to be vegan to think some practices are distasteful.
>>537026815Good on them for being pro-abortion.
>>537027387Ah yeah kidney failure sorry I get the dead vegan cats mixed up>Vegan for yearsYeah typically it takes a few years for vegans to die from toxins.>Cats just normally die at 4 Pretty much never happens, not even arguable, the famous vegan guy's cat died at 4 of kidney failure after eating a vegan diet WITH supplements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Vzo3C2vUQ
>>537027406No because not all vegans are utilitarians and many of the vegan utilitarians are longtermists
>>537026862Severely mentally handicapped humans should all be euthanized and it's the right and moral thing to do. MAID is an ethical program. I bet you're one of those religious freaks and yet you're super afraid of just releasing those suffering souls from those horrific bodies, and you're probably super scared to die despite the supposed Heaven you tell people about it.
>>537026913>Because of intrinsic goods euthanized people would miss out on like pleasure and relationshipsThey can still have those just they will have them in a new body. They are only missing out on things one would rather miss out on anyways.
>>537027446Look I've seen some things that are pretty disheartening. But until we grapple with the useless eater situation, there are things that have to happen in order to maintain the society we have built. There's no purpose or market for male chickens, so we kill them.
>>537027520>Not all are utilitariansThen logic is useless, suffering-based ideologies all have the same conclusion and it's impossible for them not to. If they don't it's not logic-based and there's no point talking to them at all.
>>537026997Then they didn't suffer. If they have no memory of it how can you say they suffered through it?
>>537027520>longtermismi fucking hate consequentialists and their incoherent virtues.
>>537027369>The substrate absolutely does not generate consciousness, it only channels it.>...and the same substrate that channels it for humans definitely doesn't channel it for anything else! Even though the burden for receiving consciousness from some outside source would obviously be lower than generating your own locally!Trying thinking before you reflexively regurgitate your cope next time.
>>537027027https://www.thedailymeal.com/1143233/reasons-you-may-want-to-avoid-drinking-almond-milk/Look in the additives section. I boosted some almond milk once and my father then told me it's bad for me anyways so I never boosted it again.
>>537027552>new bodyanon...
>>537027600It's such bullshit>Life is suffering bro, this animal died = suffering, this animal lived = suffering>But LONG TERM I believe in LONG TERM or somethingIt's such absolute slop, they can never be logically consistent without saying we should just exterminate all life>LONG TERMThe long-term implications of suffering-based ideology are that life is bad and we should be like evil space aliens who exterminate it, better yet create machines to do it, if life is truly suffering.Of course none of this is reality and life is "life" and does not have manmade concepts such as suffering, but they made an ideology around it.
>>537027369Someone can be a emergent dualist and believe soul is created when brain first becomes advanced enough to be consciousBoth generates and channels / transmits are metaphysical positions on the hard problem of consciousness and neither is empirically settled so the filter or transmission idea doesn't have any more evidence than the production view. The declarations actual claim is comparative not metaphysical it’s about whatever apparatus is needed for conscious experience and affect in humans like those subcortical circuits is also present and functioning similarly in other animals like all birds and mammals. That holds either way even on a channeling model you'd still need the same receiving hardware present for the same behaviors and feeling states to show up
>>537027114Dignity is something I care about more than pain.Like I used to exist in a mental fog for a long time, unable to really visualize well, unable to form thoughts well, struggling to count, struggling to do any normal cognitive things.I've fixed that through mushrooms but if I had to endure living like that I'd continue to make frequent suicide attempts.Pain is rather nice compared to embarrassment and shame.
>>537021148All industrial agriculture is a problem, not just industrial animal agriculture.>>537023862>>537024377No. It is just slightly more profitable for a few billionaires because it employs fewer people. It actually produces less food per acre.
>>537027508>>537027508>>537027508BTW no vegans ever actually respond to this, all vegans look sick and die young>Muh studyThey'll link some study when if you look at any famous vegans - and there are a LOT of them, they all look sickly like they're dying and most of them quit.>Hench herbivoreLooks like he's about to drop dead, looks 70>Vegan gainsCrashes out every stream with extreme mental instability, has to take roids for a 3/10 physiqueActually not even gonna list any more than this because they're all extremely weak and covered in wrinkles, watch all the epitome of malnourishment videos and it's just a bunch of them literally starving from vegan diets.There are hardly any long-term vegans left so I'm just thinking back 10 years and saying huh, why'd they all stop that's strange.
>>537027312Potentially conscious could apply to eggs and sperm. This is just absurd. Anyone that wants to kill their baby should be able to. Even one that has already been born. There's nothing unethical about killing babies in or outside of the womb. In fact a lot of the time it's a moral imperative as it can help spare them from having to go through awakening consciousness later on.
>>537027470https://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/news/uncovering-secrets-feline-longevityOverall, the median age of death for intact females was 1.5 years, but that included kittens who may have been born with a congenital disease and didn’t have the chance to be spayed, so the researchers reevaluated the data to remove cats under one year of age. For intact female cats older than 12 months, the median age of death was 4.7 years compared to 10.5 for spayed females. For intact males over the age of one year, the median age of death was 3.7 years compared to 9.8 for their neutered counterparts.
>>537027904>if we do not control for ownership, veterinary care and food, we can blame these things on spay/neuter status!
>>537027446Is there a way we can make humans produce only female offspring without killing human male babies? I believe that males are inherently very worthless and that killing men is sparing them from a life of terrible suffering most of the time. We need far less male humans on this planet.
>>537027904Yup they're gonna link some study they always do this and claim cats are dying at 4 years old.Meanwhile anyone who has ever had a cat knows that 10 years is the standard.I don't really know what they get from defending vegan gains killing his cat. It happens every time it comes up, cat dead at 4 years of kidney failure.>>537028000Yup>If I pull some study off the internet it says that cats may live until only 4 if you neglect themWe know that's why vegan gains killed his at 4.
>>537027571Some utilitarians are objective list not all utilitarians are negative utilitarians some utilitarians believe in intrinsic goods like pleasure and relationships Also many vegans are deontologists trying to reduce rights violations not suffering
>>537028005bitches be doing nothing
>>537027406I had actually ascribed to a suffering bad philosophy like that as a teenager and concluded with exactly that, that we need to wipe out all life.However at 20 years old when someone demonstrated remote viewing to me, it set me on a whole new path of research and made me rethink things.
>>537028029Ignoring the wordslip.It's a suffering based ideology, all ideologies based on suffering are based on reducing the suffering to as low as possible.Do not reply with buzzwords again.>>537028079Yeah it's such an immature view of everything but the vast majority of people never get past it, whole continents have it as their main religion, even modern "spirituality" is based upon it. It's the kind of religion made up by 70 iq indians.
>>537027701I think those additives are quite safe but I won’t even debate it because brands like this with 2 ingredients exist and they’re shelf stable for a relatively long time plus almond milk can be made at home appliances specifically for this purpose exist
>>537028079you're completely delusional
>>537027744Most philosophers are moral realists
>>537028208>>537028126See here, no more wordslop.
>>537027639Strawman. There are very likely aliens that are also conscious. Animals are not. Is your finger conscious? It's not, you're conscious of the finger, but the finger itself is not. There's a lot of things that are subconscious, mentation doesn't always make it into the sphere of consciousness. I'm also certain there's forms of consciousness that aren't even bound to a physical body at all. It may also be that animals have an oversoul like Rudolf Steiner talks about which is conscious in some manner of the animals, but in a way akin to how we're vaguely conscious of our own cells and organs.
>>537027711It's completely logical. My body was entirely constructed out of pre-existing materials that got reworked into this form. Why would consciousness not also just change form? Energy doesn't disappear, matter doesn't disappear, it just changes. A log that is burned up doesn't disappear, it becomes light, heat, ashes, gases, etc.The consciousness of everything that has a consciousness will receive a new body.
>>537027904I wonder how much of that could simply be attributed to dry food intake which causes a lot of problems for cats. It said kidney issues were found in over half of the cats and they're known to develop kidney issues simply from eating a lot of dry food.
>>537028026No the point is that unfortunately due to genetics and things outside the owners control sometimes cats die young from things like renal failure, vegan gains tried his best by doing things like color coded litter to monitor urine ph
>>537019829i wouldn't care if tomorrow everyone on earth except me died from having their heads exploded, why do you think i would care about chickens?i hope you and the chickens suffer the most painful and excruciating death the most depraved demons in hell can fathom.fuck you and your feelings.
>>537027793You need to watch Essentia Foundation videos. Also learn about parapsychology, watch New Thinking Allowed. The Hard Problem of Consciousness debunks materialist reductionism. Analytical idealism is true, just certain details still need working out.
>>537027565Hopefully it'll be economically viable at some point to only have female chicks produced. Would be useful for the dairy industry too and cut down on a lot of the problems.
>>537028375>Sometimes>Links to a study saying they live to 10 averageVegan gains killed his cat with the vegan diet. You can't read.
>>537019829"Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? And not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father." - Jesus in Matthew 10:29
>>537028447fuck you narcissist faggot
>>537028338There’s atheists who believe in souls but don’t believe in afterlives and other atheists believe that the only afterlife is a Boltzmann brain in billions of years when your exact brain is eventually recreated
>>537028338because """consciousness""" doesn't exist.there is no color red, there is no passage of time, there is no subjective experience, it's all in between your skull until it dissolves and you stop being a human across time and space, just a carcass.
>>537027904Hmmm this chart makes me think about what William Walker Atkinson has to say about celibacy and longevity.
>>537028539reminder that he was crucified between two pedos for a reason
>>537028450If consciousness came before matter then I can just say God came first as the first mind and an unlimited mind and God wants everyone to be vegan because my intuition is it’s objectively immoral to pay for animal torture
>>537028375It does happen but it's rare. If I heard that a cat died at 4 years old and was on a vegan diet I would assume the diet played a part in that before assuming it was just bad luck. Cats are prone to developing issues even on a more species suitable diet, trying to make them go vegan seems like that would only increase the risk. Even if you don't eat meat you shouldn't be forcing that on a carnivorous animal.
Good.https://peopleeatingtastyanimals.org/
>>537028367>Kidney issuesKidneys are used to filter out toxins in food, so it's a mix of toxins - like heavy metals probably, pesticides, ect - and plant toxins.Plants are loaded up with toxins to defend themselves, any animals that eat plants have special mechanisms for dealing with these toxins. As cats do not eat plants as a staple, only sometimes chewing some grass and fruits, they cannot eliminate the toxins in plants.A whole lot of plants will just outright kill a cat through kidney failure.Of course, the toxic dry food from a bag also kills cats, just that they live to 10 instead of 4 (like how old vegan gains's cat was before he killed it of kidney failure)
>>537028367What if it’s mostly genetics / selective breeding? Before anyone says vegan diet killed vegan gains cat they should mention the breed of the cat and whether that breed often has significant kidney issues
>>537019829i wish those were niggers instead
>>537019829Slop the the american cattle
>>537028841It died at 4... holy shit is everyone retarded in this thread?
>>537019973>give me my pink slime back!
>>537028841Even if it was prone to developing kidney issues that's all the more reason to not force it onto a diet that is more likely to make that happen. Some cats may cope better being forced onto a vegan diet but even then it's still likely that their lifespan was shortened and overall health was worsened by it.
>>537028487Genesis 9:9-10 (In your preferred KJV) "And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth. And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth."God established a covenant not only with humans, but with every beast of the earth as well.>There isn't anything in that bible that suggests beasts have any kind of preeminenceEven in the KJV, it says, as I just quoted, "yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast." And notably in the Hebrew the word translated "breath," ruach, is the same word translated "spirit," in the verse under discussion. Man and beast all have one spirit.>no beast having a soulThe main Hebrew word usually translated as soul is nephesh, which is applied to humans and animals. It used of animals before humans in Genesis.>No beast prayingJob 38:41 "Who provides food for the raven when its young cry out to God and wander about for lack of food?"Psalm 104:27 "27"All creatures look to you to give them their food at the proper time.">no beast being promised anythingIsaiah 65:25 "The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, and dust will be the serpent’s food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain,” says the Lord.I will say that the Abrahamic religions are, on the whole, very human-centric religions with limited concern for animals, and that's one of the things that makes me pretty confident that they're wholly human inventions, but if you're willing to look,
>>537028126This is why Shinto mogs Buddhism. They affirm life instead of deny it. Taoism also too is a lot better than many of the other religions near it. If your religion has a celibate priestly caste it's shit.
>>537028487you can certainly find that animals aren't wholly excluded or relegated to being just props.Romans 8:19-23"For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the children of God, for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its enslavement to decay and will obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning together as it suffers together the pains of labor, and not only the creation, but we ourselves..." And word translated creation can mean creature as well. It includes all living things.Oh, there's also ye olde talking donkey story, which as silly as it may be does attribute obvious intelligence to an animal when given the power to speak.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2022%3A21-39&version=NRSVUEThen the Lord opened the mouth of the donkey, and it said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?” Balaam said to the donkey, “Because you have made a fool of me! I wish I had a sword in my hand! I would kill you right now!” But the donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your donkey, which you have ridden all your life to this day? Have I been in the habit of treating you this way?” And he said, “No.”There's also 1 Kings 17, where God says to Elijah, "You shall drink from the wadi, and I have commanded the ravens to feed you there.” and the Hebrew word used for God commanding the ravens is the same word used many times for God commanding humans to do things throughout the Tanakh, including God's command to a widow just a few verses later.https://biblehub.com/hebrew/tzivviti_6680.htm>This has nothing to do with a spiritual connection with GodBreath and spirit are the same word in the Hebrew, so it's up to the translators to make the distinction.
>>537028487>Not in the kjv, none of my business.I guess no one correctly understood God until the KJV was written, though the KJV translators themselves were under no illusions about being divinely inspired. https://dbts.edu/2012/04/09/the-embarrassing-preface-to-the-king-james-version/>That's not praying for God's sake, that's a reference to ravens croaking in distress for lack of food and God being mindful of that.>Again, that's called figure of speech, and expectation wouldn't be the same as prayer anyways.Who are you to tell the writers what they mean?>That's not a promise to beasts, that's a promise to man concerning beasts. Come on now.I wouldn't have expected to find a direct promise to animals in a book written for humans, but to my surprised I did above, in Genesis 9:9-10, where God explicitly establishes a covenenant not only with humans but with every beast of the earth, and he promises to them as well as to humans never to flood the earth again.Another instance of God making (promising to make) a covenant with animals is in Hosea 2:18. "And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely."
>>537028514What about Mary’s room?
>>537024800>Hmmm your life is bad due to bad genetics?>Why would you support eugenics?
>>537020245And why shouldn't animals die to keep me alive and healthy? Vegans don't provide a single valid reason. Veganism is social engineering to make white people weaker. Every immigrant who comes to America stuffs his face with meat no matter how much it costs. Yes, I've tried eating vegetarian food while traveling India. It's bullshit. Diarrhea almost every day, severe bloating, no energy. A cold which I would usually defeat in two days took two weeks to get over. Fuck that. I switched back to drinking beer and eating meat every day, and now my turds are well-formed. Yesterday I walked 10+ km and barely even felt tired. As a vegetarian, I would start looking for a place to sit after walking barely 1 km. It sucked. No, multivitamins didn't fix the deficiencies caused by not eating meat.
>>537028649The issue is the dozens of animals fed to the one cat have far worse things forced on them and you are engaging in baseless speculation whereas the abuse injuries and suffering of chickens fed to cats is very well documented
>>537028179For what? Having done experiments and gotten results that were highly specific and extremely improbable including getting number sequences in the correct order where 6 numbers each between 2 and 3 digits were part of it and very specific reports of details of rooms and the occupants in them and everything? You just have confirmation bias and don't bother to do your own experiments or look up what others have done.
>>537029088color is subjective, it's just an inputjust like "invisible light" like ultraviolet and deep red
>>537019829Heartbreaking. The world is cruel.
>>537029200>Baseless speculation to say a cat dying at 4 from the most famous vegan in the world is abnormalStrange because I never hear of cats dying at 4 but the most famous vegan the one who was parading his cats and testing them and taking care of them so carefully, his died at 4.>>537020245It's alright anon at some point you'll start losing muscle mass and brain function and start eating a lot of fatty red meat again.They advise all seniors to eat fatty red meat now because it decreases their decline in old age.
>>537029221how are you using your newfound superpowers?
>>537028632I am unable to follow your logic beyond "and God wants everyone to be vegan because my intuition is it’s objectively immoral to pay for animal torture".The whole notion of a god "wanting" anything is retarded.
>>537028818Plants have been selectively bred to have as little anti nutrients as possible, toxins in edible plants causing kidney issues is rare and is limited to very few plants like spinach and lots of it has to be eaten for a long time to cause kidney stones and healthier substitutes like kale exist which do not cause kidney stones Show me a plant in a vegan cat foods ingredient list that causes kidney issues
>>537029113>while traveling India...Diarrhea almost every dayBlaming the food being vegetarian for that is probably inaccurate lol.>Every immigrant who comes to America stuffs his face with meat no matter how much it costs. I don't think we should consider America the pinnacle of healthy diets. Obviously all the processed food is more of an issue and it's usually not meat causing a lot of it. But most people probably assume they need to eat more meat than they really do. If you really want nutritious stuff then you should also be consuming blood and organs which are far more nutritious in micronutrient density than meat. Some of the American founding fathers thought that eating so much meat all the time was unAmerican too.
>>537028495okay? Also that boltzmann brain argument isn't linked to atheism, it's linked to materialism.
>>537028873Meat eating cats die at 4 too from kidney issues
>>537028957Based on what? What ingredient im vegan cat food has this effect
>>537029200>The issue is the dozens of animals fed to the one cat have far worse things forced on themYes, that's a problem. I'm not making any claims about the morality of it. Saying that forcing a carnivore onto a vegan diet is more likely to cause problems is not "baseless speculation", it's a known problem. Constantly eating things you haven't been well adapted to causes problems even for humans and we still don't understand it all. You're being emotional and arguing in defense of mistreated animals on farms and I get that but saying everything can be vegan with zero issues is delusional and won't solve anything.
>>537019874Good thing Hitler didn't think of this.
>>537028514It's the only thing that exists. Everything is a derivative of it. Consciousness is fundamental. Also it's absolutely and demonstrably proven not to be contained within merely the skull. For one the nervous system is not just in the brain and for two there's countless examples of people experiencing consciousness unbounded by the body, especially in the medical literature. Stuff like NDErs reporting accurately what is going on in completely separate rooms in the hospital, all while there's no signs of life in them. You should go on anna's archive and start reading Bernardo Kastrup books and also note that suppression of brain activity is associated with expansion of consciousness and awareness. Most people who have been dead for awhile report having felt more alive and having greater experiences than ever before.
>>537029113>Every immigrant who comes to America stuffs his face with meat no matter how much it costs.Indians? Also Israel and the IDF has one of the highest rates of veganism
>>537029332>Show me the plantVegan gains killed his cat at 4.All plants have toxins, some have less.>>537029419This is all they have.>I can make a claim with no proofVegan gains killed his cat at 4.>>537029463All plants.It's really strange actually they must have some discord or something, I have never heard so many people defending a cat dying at 4 years old.
>>537020653Yeah that's complete BS. These "keelbone fractures" are not fractures, they are deviations, they show no signs of pain, their behavior does not change when given painkillers. Its just that they are small birds and start laying big eggs while young, so the keel bone deforms. It is soft, it does that.
>>537029419Probably less likely. And even less likely if you feed them more wet food, and again even less likely if they were on a diet that they were actually completely suited for. >>537029463Lectins, oxalates, salicylates? Perhaps the fact that plant proteins aren't identical to animal proteins and even with supplements it's unlikely that they've been made identical. There are plenty of reasons why feeding a cat plants could cause kidney issues over time.
>>537029113>And why shouldn't animals die to keep me alive and healthy? Vegans don't provide a single valid reason.Because of arguments like name the trait >>537020507 here , animal rights are a logical extension of human rights so ask yourself why it’d be wrong to murder a human to Harvest their organs and transplant them into yourself
>>537029533And dysentery
>>537029527nice cope.
>>537025389Must be nice to be rich.
>>537021062>>537021148>factory farming is le evil because... it makes me feel bad or somethingIf no human being got hurt then it isn't evil. Learn something about moral philosophy.
>>537019829lol who cares
It seems like there is growing debate even in vegan circles about the ethics of eating bivalves. Claims like this have been proven wrong before, but from what we can tell there's very little chance they're conscious in the way we understand it. They don't even have a nerve cluster like lobsters to act as a simple brain. But they're very nutritious and actually good for the environment to farm. Thought someone might find that interesting.>>537029726Human beings do get hurt from factory farms, retard. It's a major source of disease outbreaks and environmental pollution.
>>537029327>how are you using your newfound superpowers?You mean basic cognitive functions that tons of people have? Well I've been using them to meet up with people, arrange meetings in dreams, and doing a lot of experiments also in self-control of every aspect of my being like body temperature, heart-rate, muscle tension, thoughts, emotions, etc. Just because you're unfamiliar with these things btw doesn't mean there aren't tons of people that know about this. A lot of Scottish people and Native Americans and Germans and so on also know about this stuff and some are way better at it all than me.
>>537029332I eat a lot of kale and am pretty sure it's worse than spinach and other plants in terms of toxicity.
>>537029250The reason one can know that a color is red without knowing its wavelength is that they don’t know some things about red or wavelengths. If you knew every fact about red and wavelengths (including that red is a specific wavelength) then if you knew something was red, you’d inevitably know that it’s a specific wavelength. As David Chalmers says (p.141):We can also put the point a more direct way. Whenever one knows a fact under one mode of presentation but not under another, there will always be a different fact that one lacks knowledge of a fact that connects the two modes of presentation.14 If one knows that Hesperus is visible but not that Phosphorus is visible (because one does not know that Hesperus is Phosphorus), then one does not know that one object is both the brightest star in the morning sky and the brightest star in the evening sky. This is a separate fact that one lacks knowledge of entirely. Similarly, if one knows that Superman can fly but not that Clark Kent can fly, then one does not know that there is an individual who is both the lead reporter at the Daily Planet and who wears a cape. If one knows that water is wet but not that H2O is wet, one does not know that the stuff in the lakes is made out of H2O molecules. And so on.
>>537029379>But most people probably assume they need to eat more meat than they really do.Most people are office workers and very passive, I'm an ultra-marathoner and triathlete and martial artist and rock climber, I eat entire families worth of food and struggle to keep up my weight.>If you really want nutritious stuff then you should also be consuming blood and organs which are far more nutritious in micronutrient density than meat. I eat blood and organs. I really like chicken hearts, liver, etc.
>>537029836what kind of people?
>>537029329I should have said knows everyone should be vegan since if God exists moral realism is true
i eat chicken everyday. i dont care. it takes 5 chicken for my 10 piece chicken wing and im eating good.
>>537029699Cope? What you want me to do just ignore evidence and reality? The coper here is you.
>>537029542https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziLmkvS92xcThey just stopped after I said they had a trooncord or something, their tactic in every one of these threads is to tell you not to believe your lying eyes.Vegan gains had the most famous vegan cat in the world. He'd make videos on it, show that it was still alive and healthy, spared no expense, tested its piss, spent extra on special food for it, regular vet checkups.Dead at 4. All they can say is to not trust all of this and assume that it was something else>What did it die of?Kidney failure. Plant toxins accumulate in the kidneys. Their line is to not believe your lying eyes, everyone knows cats live to 10 but the most famous vegan cat in the world died at 4.... of kidney failure, and the kidneys filter the blood of plant toxins.
>>537029903by this definition color sensors have a spiritual understanding over what color is
>>537029469Surveys on vegan cats seem to show they are healthy and I don’t have the intuition vegan diets are inherently significantly less healthy for cats then diets with meat
>>537029970People that I know who've also developed their psychic faculties well enough intentionally or unintentionally. One is Icelandic-Scottish, another is a German, another is a Ukrainian, etc. Interestingly enough not necessarily people I keep close relations to or am related to, just people who've developed themselves well enough to easily send and receive telepathic communications, enter into dreams, etc.
>>537030014what evidence? hearsay?
>>537030188you're a telepath?
>>537030157>Surveys sayThey always do this shit.>>537030041Every single time, you can't trust what you actually see with vegan gains killing his cat, you have to go off some study (done by a vegan pet food company)>I don't have the intuition that says that a obligate carnivore would die from plantsYeah we know you're not too bright.This is part of the vegan cognitive decline where they think they have spiritual superpowers, the answer is that they're dying and their brain is dying.
>>537029527Bernardo Kastrup is a determinist he doesn’t really believe in free will and I think his analytic idealism has serious issues https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zdZWQe46f1U
>>537029975How does god existing or not existing have anything to do with "moral realism"? I don't get you. To me god has nothing to do with ethics or morality.
>>537030157It's probably not likely that someone forcing their cat to be vegan would admit to them being less healthy even if it was happening. Or if it did happen they would stop the diet. I don't really have much trust in a random survey. Even for humans who are notably more omnivorous than cats, there are increased risks with trying to be vegan even with supplements. You cannot completely supplement away the problems of a diet not meant for the species.
>>537030192Every kind of evidence. Empirical, statistical, anecdotal, etc.>>537030258Yes and if you were ever to travel to my city me and certain other persons in the city could give testimony about it and put on a demonstration for you.
>>537030317I'm also a determinist and don't believe in freewill.If you want to critique his philosophy I'm extremely interested and would watch a video of your critique.
>>537029551https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-59940-1Keel bone fractures induce a depressive-like state in laying hens>KBF severity scores at this time also negatively predicted DCX+ cell numbers on an individual level, while hens that acquired fractures earlier in their lives had fewer DCX+ neurons in the caudal hippocampal formation. Activity levels 3–4 weeks prior to sampling were not associated with AHN. KBFs thus lead to a negative affective state lasting at least 3–4 weeks, and management steps to reduce their occurrence are likely to have significant welfare benefits.
>>537029598Vegan wet cat food exists and theres surveys of vegan cats and they have similar lifespans and health Here’s the ingredient list of a popular vegan cat food it also has vitamins in it but I left those out So ya, Maize Gluten, Canola Oil, Wheat, Maize, Rice, Beet Pulp, Brewer's Yeast, Linseed, Minerals, Vegetable Gravy, Dried Chicory (a natural source of FOS and Inulin), Dried Algae, Yucca Extract (Schidigera).These obviously dont cause kidney issues in humans and where’s the evidence any of these ingredients do in cats? The protein quality is good so y is one of the best for quality and absorbation
>>537029726Humans in slaughterhouses experience lots of mental health issues but the bigger issue is here >>537020507 animal rights are a logical extension of human rights because how do you define human? Did one or two non humans give birth to a human thousands of years ago? Would it be moral to eat one or both of the parents but not the child?
>>537029810I think eating bivalves is fine as long as they are sourced responsibly but I still think they’re not very healthy for humans because of cholesterol and saturated fat
>>537026862>"I will kill my pets for the sake of animals i never met"
>>537029810>It's a major source of disease outbreaksnothing significant recently.>and environmental pollution.all industry does that. get over it
>>537029873Spinach is very high in oxaltes and kale is very low in it I wouldn’t worry about the other one if you get enough iodine
>>537030319Prior probabilities
>>537030912>nothing significant recentlyYou forgot about the "bird flu" outbreaks in the U.S. that led the Biden administration to cull chickens to the point where egg prices shot through the roof? Or the multiple culls of pigs in China over swine flu?
>>537030687>surveysSurveys are not reliable especially coming from people who are likely biased such as people who would be forcing their cats on a vegan diet. Vegans are notably biased in saying that everything can be vegan with zero issues despite all the evidence against that claim. >These obviously dont cause kidney issues in humans Cats are more prone to kidney issues but it still happens with humans too and some do need to avoid certain plant foods because of that. >>537030830Even if you have issues with cholesterol/saturated fat, clams and mussels are both very low in fat.
>>537030912>it doesn't hurt humans>okay it does, but...
>>537019829and that's what nature intended, keep eating meat.
>>537030110If that was right then if we had a good enough memory just by reading about octopus brains eventually we would know what it’s like to be them and to see the exotic colors that they see but we cannot so…
>>537030990How many people do you know that died of a biud flu? Who gives a fuck?
>>537030261Surveys on vegan cat owners exist and that’s significantly more evidence than your single vegan gains anecdote.
>>537031070yeah because our eyes have only cones for red, blue and green
>>537030364I’d say theres overwhelming evidence vegan humans live long lives and veganism is almost the perfect diet for humans being a very close second to a diet that includes some fish. Humans are opportunistic eaters and omnivores though The survey is just a survey not a meta analysis but it’s still better then anything Ive seen from the cats can’t be vegan and healthy side.
>>537031141>Surveys existI know, I should not listen to the evidence I can see and confirm I should trust some survey by totally unbiased people and companies. That was said already several times in the thread and is said every thread.
>>537031035>StrawmanIt doesn't cause more negative to humans on net
>>537030452It’s good that you are interested as this is an extremely important topicDr. Nathan Hawkins has already done a video on Bernardo kastrups analytic idealism and a response to Bernardo’s response to his original video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ib9jDiHIsC4
>>537031093>Who gives a fuck?your arguments are consistently terrible
>>537031284that's not what you said. you're just shifting goalposts. you claimed it doesn't harm humans. that was wrong. you're wrong. every post you've made in this thread is wrong.
>>537030188>>537029699This is by far the best esp test I have ever found on the internet. Unlike other tests it uses quantum random numbersTry all four of it’s modes (perception + realtime) , (perception + aggregate) , (divination + realtime) and (divination + aggregate ) each with 1000 tries to see if you can prove with at least 1 of the 4 modes that you have ESP abilities. Yes each one of your 4 runs could take a couple hours each but a small sample size of like 50 with a 30% hit rate could be a coincidencelink https://www.quatism.com/esptest.htm
>>537019829American farmer here. WTF am I supposed to do with 50% of my chicks that I don’t need and Tractor Supply didn’t buy? > enjoy your mcnuggets nigger
>>537031267Compared to the Standard American Diet then a properly planned vegan diet probably results in better health but like you said it's still inferior to an omnivorous diet. There are also studies showing that vegans do experience deficiencies in some things more, have lower muscle mass, etc. so it's not all perfect. Comparing a healthy vegan diet to a healthy omnivore diet generally results in the omnivore diet winning out even if a vegan diet can easily beat the Standard American Diet.This is also for humans who are much more omnivorous than cats and I can't imagine the same thing would apply to carnivores. Just like I wouldn't expect an herbivore to be healthier on a carnivore diet with supplements.
>>537030861It’s better to let your human child die of organ failure than to murder a bunch of random children to steal their organs or do dangerous and painful medical experimentation on them to save your child’s life
>>537031150No that's missing the point because our limited cones explain why we can't directly experience octopus vision but they don't explain why exhaustive physical knowledge (including all about their brain states, cone analogs, and wavelengths) wouldn't let us know what it's like to see those colors if everything were purely physicalJust reading the full details wouldn't convey the qualia same as mary in her room
>>537031277What evidence can you see? One anecdotal case of vegan gains cat? It’s not that rare for 4 year old cats to die regardless of diet
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>>537019829>And the comments and back and forth of this for any objections you may have to the efficacy of individual boycott of real meat which have already been debunked https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/comments/1otuhqv/individual_boycott_of_meat_does_matter/You want old world ways to return? You want to have a voice? Destroy the jew. Destroy the jew utterly and to the last. It is the jews that profit from food and use food as a weapon.Destroy the jew, or we white western folk will end up like those chicks.
>>537031585I obviously want to abolish the egg and chicken corpse industries too
>>537031596Don't tell me what to do.
>>537031857maybe if you took shrooms you could see the colors even without seeing them
>>537031898>It’s not that rare for 4 year old cats to die regardless of dietyes, it is. you're obviously a coping vegan. i wish vegans would just lean into the moral aspect and admit it comes with challenges because i have more respect for that than the ones who say it only healthier with no downsides.
