In case the jannies don’t allow me to post this entire thing: https://pastes.io/Pvlng5QCAmerica is supposed to be a country of farmers. In the days of the Founding Fathers, America was a country where 90% of the population was a farmer and his family, owning about a hundred acres of land which they were free to use as they pleased. A few people would have enough land that they could afford to rely on hired help, but the vast majority of people could get along just fine on the labors that they, as families working on their own or families choosing to work together, could apply.This is the country that the Constitution was written for, the utopia of free and equal landowning citizens that the Founders wanted us to be. Today, only a handful of us grow up on farms, a large chunk of people live in small towns, and most of us grow up in cities and their suburbs. We own houses but this property is not the source of our livelihood. Some of us at least own a business, but many of us don’t even have that, we have to make a living from a salary. This means that our wealth doesn’t come from something we own, something that we can depend on to be there when we are old and infirm, something that can be passed on to our children, it depends on our talents, which will die with us, and will fail us before even that.If your talents are highly valued talents, the kinds of things that you need education and training for, then you can still earn yourself a very good living, a better living than most human beings have ever been capable of. Maybe you’re a programmer, an engineer, a surgeon, a lawyer. America is made for people like you. But because your wealth relies on what you do and not what you own, you are in this sense in the same boat as people making $10 an hour at McDonald’s, in that in order to live, you cannot stop working. This is what Karl Marx means when he says that the working class is forced to sell its labor power to survive.[1/18]
>>537025471Today, only a few million Americans still grow up on farming households, a pitiful number of Americans, constantly embattled by debt and corporate competition, dwindling every day, nothing like the country that the Fathers wanted us to have. What happened? Why, how, did we lose the foundation of our society? The culprit isn’t big government Liberalism or Da Joos, it’s Capitalism. Capitalism, and the process of accumulation and competition that always over time rewards the few, powerful, and large at the expense of the many, the humble, and the small, was what killed American farmers.It started after the closure of the frontier. Ever since 1776, America was a nation where anyone, no matter how lowly their station in life, could expect to work hard, make money, and eventually buy a plot of land to develop into their own personal piece of the world, something that they could then hand down to their children. But this world could only continue to exist so long as new land kept getting added to be settled, and once America had reached the Pacific Ocean, there was nowhere left to grow.Slowly but surely, the farmers that the U.S. Government had seeded across the West began to lose the West that they had won. It began with the railroads, the oil companies, the big cattle ranchers, the bigger farmers, who began buying out small distressed farms. When economic downturns hit, small enterprises can’t shoulder the burdens as well as large enterprises, and so large enterprises are able to buy out small enterprises and so eventually grow to hegemonically control the ecosystem, whatever the ecosystem may be. Additionally, large-scale consolidated agriculture is able to massively save on labor costs and plant more efficiently compared to small-scale agriculture. Large-scale agriculture is better able to produce surplus for the market, supporting a population of people who can do work other than agricultural labor.[2/18]
>>537025503In Roman times, this process led to the dispossession of the free peasants, the very class from which Rome drew her soldiers, by the masters of large slave-worked plantations. In America, because by this point we had abolished slavery, these larger consolidated farms were worked not by slaves, but by immigrants. For the Romans who had to flee their bought-out family farms, their fate was to run to Rome, where they became one of the urban plebs, dependent on Rome’s grain dole. For dispossessed American farmers in the late 1800s, living in the Industrial age, instead of becoming urban dependents, they found work in America’s rapidly growing cities.For American farmers, this process had been slowly ramping up all through the early 20th century before rapidly accelerating after WW2, with the dawn of the postwar American industrial economy. American farms rapidly consolidated, until reaching their current levels during the 70s and 80s, just in time for the dawn of Neoliberalism.You can go back and read old newspapers from this era. All throughout this entire time period, politicians bemoaned the death of the American farmer, and promised to save him from destruction by powerful interests. Every single one of them, despite their titanic efforts over a century of history, failed. This is why, in the most Capitalist country on Earth, we also have our borderline Stalinist USDA subsidy regime, because of how must money and effort this country pours into the task of protecting the few farmers we have left from complete dissolution.None of it worked. Why? Because despite how hard we tried, for generation after generation, to save our farmers, we were never willing to challenge Capitalism. No amount of money that we ever could have spent to subsidize our farmers would have been able to counteract the combined weight of a free market, land as private property, and the economic laws of Capitalism itself. No one took it from us, we did it to ourselves.[3/18]
>>537025609China is not like this. Today, China boasts over 400 million farmers. Over a hundred million families each own their own small farm, upon which they can rely for the food they put on their own plates. There are more Chinese people living the life that we Americans are supposed to be living than there are Americans in total on this planet.These farms are small, they’re only an acre or so per family on average compared to the dozens that European farmers are traditionally used to and the hundreds that common Americans once were blessed to have. But this isn’t because the government is forcing them to keep so small, it’s because this is China, and China has always been this way, Chinese farmers have always had to make do with tiny plots of land, ever since the days of the Qin Dynasty. This is just how they are, we’re our own civilization, we don’t have to do everything the same way that they do.These peoples’ lives are not always easy. When you only have an acre to work with, you need to work your ass off and take advantage of every little thing you can. Your money doesn’t go very far, and it’s hard to build savings. But compare their lot to the lot of the hundreds of millions of small farmers in the Third World who still often work as tenant farmers under conditions of Capitalist agriculture under their own local landlords, and it’s clear who’s really ahead.Consider also the fact that these people also produce almost all of China’s food. Somehow, in a way that defies the capitalist reality that we are used to in America, China has built a modern industrial economy off of the agricultural surplus of millions of small family farms. America’s farmers died because we Americans allowed Capitalism to kill them. China used Marxist Socialism to protect her farmers from Capitalism, which is why China’s farmers still survive today.[4/18]
>>537025627It starts in 1911. The Republic of China is founded. The old Qing Dynasty, which had failed to modernize China and protect her from Western exploitation, had fallen. What had risen to replace it was a new government led by Sun Yat-Sen and his political party, the Kuomintang. Sun Yat-sen, a Christian, wanted to remake China in the image of the more modern West, using ideas that he had been exposed to during his time in America.However, because of the tragic unpredictability of history, this new order was never able to get up and running under its own power. Soon after its founding, the Republic was seized by a general, Yuan Shikai, who wanted to take China back to the Imperial system, with himself as Emperor of China. This act, and his death soon after, flung the early Republic into the chaos of the Warlord Era. The government that called itself the Republic of China was now a corrupt, leaderless, strife-ridden military anarchy, barely led by a clique of generals who constantly squabbled for control over Beijing. Sun Yat-sen founded Republic of China anew as a revolutionary government in Nanjing, in the South, and for years fought a bloody campaign to wrest control of China from the warlords. Leading the armies of the true Republic of China was Chiang Kai-shek.Meanwhile, Chinese students coming back from Western schools from overseas were bringing Marxism to their fellow Chinese. Communists were organizing in China’s factories, of which China had few, and villages, of which China had many. The Communists hated the warlords and the corrupt Beijing government, and they respected the ideals of Sun Yat-sen, and so the Communists joined forces with the Kuomintang in order to fight the warlords. This was the period of the First United Front. During this period, the Communists grew from a force of thousands to hundreds of thousands, as they spread their message among the villages they liberated and the soldiers they fought alongside.[5/18]
>>537025654Halfway through this war, Sun Yat-sen died, and Chiang Kai-shek took control of the KMT, and control of the Republic of China fell to him. While Sun Yat-sen was happy to stay allied to the Communists, Chiang Kai-shek feared their growing power. While Chiang Kai-shek believed in the principles of democracy, rights, and economic modernization, he also believed in protecting the old feudal aristocracy of China that ruled China’s farmers. Sun Yat-sen had believed in eventually phasing out this caste peacefully through reform, but the Communists preached that these people, the landlords, had to be immediately overthrown.What you must understand about these landlords is that in traditional Chinese society, this top 10% of the population presided over an agrarian society that by any objective metric was defined by unspeakable poverty, misery, and exploitation. These landlords regularly beat, cheated, and robbed the poor farmers that worked their vast estates as tenant farmers. Landlords took the daughters of farmers who were indebted to them as sex slaves, they tricked poor farmers into giving up their lands, and they were merciless over the slightest mistake made by the landless poor who they hired and treated like slaves. Some were kind, but many were not, and there was no law or authority to turn to that protected the meek from the vicious.These were the people that the Communists hated, and many of the rural poor of China shared their hate. The Communists used Karl Marx’s theory of how capitalists in industrial society exploit factory workers to explain to the Chinese peasantry how landlords exploit poor farmers, and the same way that the Bolsheviks in Russia were calling for industrial production to taken from the capitalists to be collectively owned by the workers, the Chinese Communists were calling for agricultural land to be taken from the landlords to be collectively owned by the farmers. They called this principle, Land to the Tiller.[6/18]
>>537025682But in the mind of a man like Chiang Kai-shek, the landlord class was something sacred. In the moral universe of Confucianism, in which Chiang Kai-shek was brought up, the landlords were the civic pillars of Chinese society. It was the landlords who studied the Confucian texts and staffed the old Imperial administration, who spread Confucian values among their communities by being living examples of virtuous life. It was the landlords who sponsored the construction of temples and organized festivals for the people, demonstrating that they rightfully deserved their wealth on the basis of the good deeds they did with it. For Chiang Kai-shek, who never smoked, never drank, never did a dishonest thing in his life, those ideals were real, even if they were nothing but a fiction for China’s teeming lowly millions. For Chiang Kai-shek, the Communists were threatening to overturn not just a class of exploiters but the spiritual guardians of Chinese civilization.In 1927, as the Beijing government’s armies were on the verge of defeat, Chiang Kai-shek ordered the Shanghai Massacre. Communist labor organizers were rounded up and executed en masse and Communists within the KMT and the National Revolutionary Army were purged. In response, Communist uprisings erupted all across China. Rising to lead the Communists would be none other than Mao Zedong. Mao started as a rebel leader in Hunan, in the South, but over the course of the war grew in stature until he was leader of the Chinese Red Army. Chiang’s forces had chased the Red Army into the harsh vast wastes of the Northwest, but here they could advance no further, as the mountains protected the Red Army from Nationalist attacks. Chiang laid siege to this region, known as the Liberated Zone. Under constant attack from the Nationalists, the Communists gained the trust of the local peasantry, and fortified their hold on their territory.[7/18]
>>537025711Here, Mao’s land reform was put into action for all of China to see. Landlords had their farm holdings reduced to the size befitting a single family, and they were now made to farm their own land like everyone else. The most corrupt and cruel landlords were punished, often by death. The many landless poor who had been exploited for generations were now free for the first time to live off of the fruits of their own labor, and of the land beneath their own feet. In a society made vengeful, paranoid, and desensitized to violence by decades of constant war and misery, the rage of the farmers did often spill over into acts of gruesome mass killing. This rage was the rage of people who had been trampled all their lives, now finally having their tramplers in their hands. Can you say that it was wrong? Perhaps, but in the conditions they were in, you cannot say that it wasn’t understandable.The Communists treated the newly liberated farmers with kindness and justice as they had never known before under the rule of the landlords. Where Kuomintang armies regularly used pillage and massacre to suppress areas suspected of harboring Communists, the Red Army distinguished themselves by enforcing strict rules against rape and theft. Thousands of young men in the Liberated Zone joined the Red Army to follow Mao Zedong to victory. The farmers rejoiced, having been freed from their feudal exploiters, just as the Russian peasantry had been glad to be freed from the will of the kulaks by the Bolsheviks.[8/18]
>>537025737All the while, the rest of China was suffering. Though the cities were growing modestly under Chiang’s rule, the farmers continued to suffer under the landlords. Chiang Kai-shek swore to the ideals of Sun Yat-sen in public, but in practice he had replaced democracy with direct military rule, free speech with political repression, and an agenda of reforming away the landlords with an agenda of actively supporting them. Despite Chiang Kai-shek’s considerable personal virtue, the Kuomintang that he had built was villainous and corrupt. KMT officials took bribes, smuggled opium, and ran protection rackets. The KMT protected landlords, and relied upon their patronage for political support. Chiang Kai-shek’s government was also deeply in debt to Western national bankers, both Jewish and Christian. China remained weak, and Japan, which had modernized earlier and had grown strong, began to put their plans into motion to conquer China.As Chiang Kai-shek laid siege of the Communists in the Liberated Zone, the Japanese invaded Manchuria. Now Japan was openly seizing millions of square kilometers of Chinese territory, but Chiang Kai-shek refused to turn his focus away from the Communists. Chiang Kai-shek stood by and did nothing as the Japanese set up the deposed Emperor Puyi, who was last monarch of the Qing when he was two years old, as the leader of a Japanese Manchurian puppet state. The Chinese people were ready to riot over Chiang’s refusal to defend China from the Japanese menace. Only when Chiang Kai-shek was kidnapped by his own subordinates and forced to negotiate with the Communist leadership did Chiang Kai-shek finally form an alliance with Mao to fight the Japanese.[9/18]
>>537025770Japan soon invaded Central China, taking Shanghai, then Nanjing, and soon nearly the entire country. The Nationalists fled even deeper into China’s south, to the city of Chongqing, while the Communists held firm in the Liberated Zone, and spread their revolutionary war into Manchuria itself. The Nationalists, waging a conventional war in the South and the Communists, waging a guerrilla war in the North, fought the Japanese side-by-side for years. Only with the final defeat of Japan at the hands of America and the Soviet Union, were the Chinese able to retake their country.Chiang wasted no time in betraying the Communists again, restarting the Civil War against them not long after the Japanese surrender. However, the Red Army that had grown under Mao under years of guerrilla war against the Japanese had become a powerful military force. The Communists stood firm against Chiang’s cowardly surprise attack. With the gauntlet having now been thrown down, Mao Zedong declared that with Communist victory, all of China’s farmers would be liberated from the landlords.Armed with Soviet support and stolen Japanese weaponry, the newly rechristened People’s Liberation Army held strong against the Nationalist assault, and in only a few years they were able to turn the tide against the Nationalists. PLA brigades of only a few thousand strong sent NRA armies twice the size running in retreat. By 1949, the Communists were the undisputed masters of China. Chiang Kai-shek fled to Taiwan, where Mao’s PLA was blocked from pursuing Chiang across the Strait by the United States Navy, on Harry Truman’s orders. Mao proclaimed the foundation of the People’s Republic of China in 1949. The Century of Humiliation, which had began a hundred years ago when the dying Qing Dynasty failed to defy Western opium merchants, was over. Mao Zedong proclaimed to the whole nation that “The Chinese people have stood up.”[10/18]
>>537025802China before 1949 was an agrarian society that could be compared to the Antebellum South. Like the Antebellum South, the countryside was dominated by a mix of a few very large landholders and many much smaller landholders. These large landholders weren’t feudal landlords, they were slavers. Slavers didn’t exploit the free Whites of the South the way that China’s landlords exploited the landless peasants, because they were exploiting Black slaves instead. Though the same way that Chinese landlords could still exploit free farmers through debt, wealthy White landowners still exploited poor Whites as tenant farmers, which was a much more common system than in the North where land was more equally distributed. Also like the South, China was (comparatively) less industrialized. Though China during the Nanjing Decade was far more industrialized than even the Union was, both China and the South lagged behind Japan and the North, respectively, which had modernized and industrialized earlier and had a more capable state under their control. Though the South was never as densely settled as China, many of the dynamics are the same. When Mao took control, he began the process of land reform across China. Everything that the Liberated Zone had seen during the days of the Civil War, all of China now saw. It was glorious but it was also ugly, and things often went too far, but by the end of it, China was a nation of free farmers, who each owned, plowed, and reaped their own little parcel of land. Instead of landlords trapping farmers in debt, the Communists established rural credit unions, and instead of towns and cities run by corrupt bureaucrats, they established communal governments where decisions were made collectively and democratically. China was poor, war-torn, and war-weary, but the Chinese were jubilant.[11/18]
>>537025834Now, China was in the same position as Russia was after the end of their own Civil War. They had won, but they now controlled a country that was barely industrialized, that was still dominated by backwards and inefficient peasant agriculture. As Marxists, both Lenin and Mao understood that the consolidation of agriculture, and the dual freeing of both displaced rural labor and agricultural surplus, was necessary in order to supply the basis for a powerful industrial economy. Capitalism carries out this process on its own terms, in its own way, as it did in England and then Western Europe and America as a whole during the Industrial Revolution. As Communists, both had to repeat this same civilizational anti-miracle in order to become powerful enough to challenge the West.Lenin went too far, too fast. The Bolsheviks, fearing an imminent war with the Capitalist West and the need to industrialize immediately, tried to collectivize the peasantry by force. The same farmers who the Bolsheviks had freed from their debts to the kulaks, now had their lands and livestock taken from the by those very same Bolsheviks. The famines that ensued killed at least ten million people. But the harsh truth is that it worked, once the famine years passed, new surpluses of food and labor had been freed up that allowed Lenin and later Stalin to build an industrial economy that was, for decades, the fastest growing economy in the world.Mao did things a different way. He encouraged farmers to collectivize voluntarily. Bad policy decisions on Mao’s part did lead to a disastrous famine under collectivized agriculture during the Great Leap Forward, but when you look at the numbers in perspective, this famine was similar in scale to famines that regularly rocked the under-industrialized Third World under Capitalism, and was in any case still a marked improvement to agriculture under the landlords, where famines of such scale had been endemic since time immemorial.[12/18]
>>537025875Both the Soviets and the Chinese tried their best, but with the technology and level of economic development they were at at that point, they weren’t able to get a completely collectivized economy working. Where the Soviets stubbornly tried to keep at it, China under Deng Xiaoping saw that the writing was on the wall, and he knew that in order to generate more economic productivity, they needed to use Capitalism to some extent.In a sense, this viewpoint is actually truer to what Karl Marx envisioned than what the Soviets had tried to do. Karl Marx saw Capitalism, which first develops out of Feudalism, naturally developing into Socialism as part of the process that would eventually lead to Communism. The Soviets had tried to skip the steps and go straight from Feudalism to Socialism Mao, though he avoided the mistake of trying to collectivize the peasantry by force, still repeated the mistake of trying to skip from Feudalism to Socialism without developing Capitalism first. Deng Xiaoping would correct this mistake by going back and slowly and carefully introducing Capitalist elements into Socialism, just enough to allow for economic dynamism that China needed, but without destabilizing the countryside or creating a powerful Capitalist class.This period was called Reform and Opening Up. The planned economy era had given China with a powerful heavy industrial base needed to sustain mechanized agriculture at a national scale. Deng Xiaoping ended the collective farms while allowing the farmers to retain their collective governments and industries. The Chinese farmers had never left the land that they were farming in the first place, and the ending of the collectives meant simply that the farmers were now able to profit directly from the work they had already been doing. Those farmers are all still there today, and the Chinese government’s system of rural and state land ownership continues to protect Chinese farmers from Capitalism still.[13/18]
>>537025901The leadership of Jiang Zemin, Hu Jintao, and now Xi Jinping has overseen an overall softening of Communism’s most frightening harshness, and the correction of its more glaring errors. China is no longer a country where a single bad word about the government can get you thrown in jail, and populist anger against the rich has cooled with time. Though you may have been told that the Communists completely erased China’s traditional culture during the Cultural Revolution, this is actually not true, and China’s traditional culture still lives on in many forms under Communist governance, though in a modernized form that no longer permits the traditional oppression of women and children. China under the modern CCP is a normal country where people are free to be industrious and rich, under the terms of a social contract that doesn’t allow them to subvert the country’s political system in service of furthering their self-interest. If you’re the CEO of an oil company, perhaps this vision horrifies you, but to normal people it is self-evidently a more just and rational way to order society.To be clear, this is not some happy accident of Socialist inefficiency sabotaging their Capitalist development. The CCP makes it clear, and has always made it clear, that protecting their farmers is their foremost political priority. What you have to understand about Chinese country people is that they are the CCP’s biggest loyalists. Rural people view the CCP as their party. And today, the CCP’s leadership boasts a greater percentage of people who grew up in the countryside than any other political party on Earth. We could have done this. We could have used Communism to save Jeffersonian Democracy from the socially dissolving effects of Capitalism. If only we had known sooner. Now we live in a country where half of all farmland is owned by corporate farms, and most Americans have never set foot on a farm in their life.[14/18]
>>537026016I’m not like many on the Left, I don’t want revenge against the Right, I want us all to work together. But I’m also clear-eyed about what that is going to mean. The correct path is not going to be some special Third Way That is Neither Right or Left, as Fascists have historically tried to portray themselves as. The correct path is Communism, and that’s over here on the Left, so the bitter medicine I’m handing you is this: you have to come over to us. We’re not having a repeat of the Night of the Long Knives, we’re not letting you stab us in the back again. This time, the anti-Capitalist, anti-Imperialist Left is staying in the driver’s seat.We’re not going to give up our social concerns just to get you guys on our side. Certainly you don’t have enough bargaining power to threaten our working relationship with Liberals, on which our shared social progressivism is a central pillar. Gay and Trans people are going to be free to live as they please without harassment, women are going to retain all their legal rights, White people will not get legal or social privileges that non-White people don’t have. We’ll go scorched-Earth against Israel and the Zionist Elite, but we’ll leave normal Jews out of this.They want you blaming the Jews instead of blaming the system because they’re scared that if you understood what was really going on, you’d realize that their wealth is part of the problem too. They don’t care what you do so long as you leave their wealth untouched, and if all they have to do is trick you into killing a bunch of Jews, then they’ll do it. The irony is: if Netanyahu’s connections to the European Right and Jeffrey Epstein’s connections to the creation of this very board are any indication, then even the Zionist Elite wants you blaming Jews for your problems instead of Capitalism too. There are already Jews who are with us on this, and they want to burn Israel to the ground even more than we do.[15/18]
>>537026049In exchange, I believe that we can be convinced to quit it with Wokeness, and we can be convinced of some kind of arrangement that allows Conservative communities to live in accordance with Conservative values, so long as it is assured that Liberal communities are allowed to live in accordance with Liberal values, and that this arrangement does not contribute to the exploitation or marginalization of the people we care about. Personally, I’d be willing to close the border to illegals in exchange for amnesty and integration for the non-violent illegals already here, but that’s a conversation you’re going to have to have with the rest of us, for I can only speak for myself.Here’s my idea, just as a place to start: We start off small, first with stuff that even other Capitalist countries have, like universal healthcare or strong labor unions. Once we get that done, we can start working on nationalizing the Finance, Insurance, and Real Estate sectors. With the ability to mobilize capital and industry more firmly under socialized control, we can start bringing back manufacturing and ending the Imperialist system of subverting governments and exploiting cheap labor overseas. This can also be combined with strengthening state and local governments, so that power ends up becoming less centralized, rather than more. In China, local governments are actually very powerful it’s just that they are powerful within the PRC’s hierarchical pyramid structure. But what if our state and local governments could do what Chinese local governments could do, but without adopting their pyramid structure? With this economic independence would come the ability to define local culture and values without the risk of losing either Federal aid or corporate investment in response. This is only one way among many for how we can achieve Socialism without centralizing political power.[16/18]
>>537026092If there are enough of us in agreement, and we can get what we want through voting, and we’re willing to put in the hard work of years of political organizing, we don’t have to have a Civil War about it. If there’s no Civil War, if we do it peacefully, through dialogue, demonstration, organizing, and voting, then no one gives anyone else an excuse to settle scores through violence. I am a Communist but I am only a Revolutionary under conditions of absolute necessity. My faith is that there is nothing that we want that cannot be accomplished peacefully and through the means of the law, and I pray that history as it is yet to be written does not prove me wrong.The only way this is going to work if you guys on the Right hear these words and reach out to the Left. I have tried to change the minds of my people alone, but few people on the Left are willing to take seriously the idea that Marxist Socialism can be used to redeem American values, not just destroy them. The truth is is that we on the Left need to hear from you all. Too many of us allow our conviction in our own righteousness to blind us to our own moral failings. We preach empathy for the poor, the downtrodden, the meek, but not empathy for those who disagree with us. We don’t understand the Right. We don’t understand what makes your values an expression of your genuine humanity, but if you come over to our side, then you will be in a place to teach us. If you don’t want to see a vengeful Radical Left turning the machinery of the State against the Right, then showing us that you aren’t our enemy is how you prevent that.[17/18]
>>537026123I am something of a maverick on the Left, and my ideas are not mainstream either. If you go to the Left with these ideas, you may have to educate them just as much as I am trying to educate you. I’ve tried to get my people to reach out to you, but there are only so many I can reach with my voice alone. Maybe you’ll be better men than them, only a few of you need to come over to our side and start this conversation, and maybe that’ll get the ball rolling on Communism. Spread this around the Discords, reach out to people on the Left, bring these ideas into public discourse. In the age of online politics, all political consciousness-building is mediated by these social networks. Posting is Power. Let us recognize this truth and use it to our advantage.This is my first and last message to the Right, and anyone else who claims to be me outside of the original thread is full of shit.Some resources to help get you on my wavelength:How China Works, by Xiaohuan LanAmerica Against America, by Wang Huning, who is today Xi Jinping’s chief ideological advisorFanshen, by William Hinton, which chronicles the Chinese Revolution from the perspective of a single small Chinese village.Reading Marx’s Capital with David Harvey: https://davidharvey.org/reading-capital/The economists Michael Hudson and Thomas Piketty for a fuller understanding of modern Capitalism.For theoretical work on how small-scale and independent communes, syndicates, and cooperatives can manage economic activity under Socialism rather than the State, read Murray Bookchin.Les Miserables, by Victor Hugo. Once you read this, you’ll get it.A guy on Twitter who really knows what’s going on: https://x.com/Logo_DaedalusA very good podcast that dives into deep politics and culture from a sophisticated Leftist perspective (start with his series on the JFK assassination): https://www.patreon.com/deathcorner[18/18]
bump. Come on, you can't just ignore the truth forever.
>>537025471Sage. Go write your AI fanfic and self publish on Amazon, you retarded faggot. All Marxists must die violently.
>>537026742You can argue with any particular claim I made if you like.
>>537025471>60 million starved to death under Mao's policies. must have left some room for improvement.
>>537027553Nowhere near 60 million, and like I said, comparable to famines in India under similar conditions of poorly mechanized high density agriculture.https://academic.oup.com/book/2070/chapter/141991095?login=false
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of rebolutionary socialism and gommunism.Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.Wat exagtly is gommunism aggording to gommies:>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishablefrom other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.https://www.gommies.gom/fug/https://www.gommies.gom/staRepublicansrve/GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.Resources:https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/https://www.gommies.gom/1984/https://www.gommies.gom/guck/https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/https://www.gommies.gom/benis/Da sdages of gommunism.>Sdage oneBourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.>Sdade twoWitheringAll beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary asbeeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.>Sdage threeGommunism.No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.>Sdage fourNod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
>>537028076Read what I actually wrote, I don't want anyone liquidated or starved.
>>537028372Ok, I'll bite.I don't even really disagree with any of what you're saying, or any of what you're about particularly, with one caveat. You're not going to change "our" mind about religion, and you're not going to change our minds concerning the infectious nature of sodomite culture. A simple way to illustrate what I speak of, is how mainly gay men got monkeypox, unless they had kids or dogs, which also somehow got monkeypox sores only around their butt. We consider degeneracy to be a sort of contagion that one must scrupulously keep away from one's family to be considered a good parent.Literally other than that, we have a lot to talk about as "sides", if you consider specific types of traditional white Christians to be 'tribes' for example, it might fit into your leftist worldview better. Unions, dismantling finance, despising wealth, scorched earth on Israel, you've about got it there.
>>537029556Like I said, I think that some kind of compromise can we worked out where Conservative communities stay Conservative and Liberal communities stay Liberal. On this, you are going to have to deprogram the Left, they're not in the mood to negotiate with anyone outside their bubble because history teaches them that it's a recipe for betrayal, but I think that they're wrong.
>this thread>average lefty "meme"
Imagine thinking people are going to read all that slop.
>>537030012Does everything have to be some kind of meme? Something easy to digest that slots in neatly into the worldview you already have? I am trying to beat back against a lot of programming, there's a lot that I need to explain, and I need a lot of words to do it.>>537030121Enough will.
I am literally taking a fat shit rn
>>537030205This place is unironically dead, or populated by "ghosts". Lots of oldfags still lurk, but barely post due to the state of things. Not sure where to tell you to go, except to a canonical Orthodox church.
>>537025471>Communism Saved China's FarmersBy killing 60 million Chinese people.
>>537030410It's not actually that dead. Millions of people still lurk on /pol/ monthly. Those are the people I'm trying to reach.
>>537030435see >>537027988
I hope you all give the ideas in this thread some thought, goodnight everyone.
>>537025471>[1/18]holy shit blud
