No human should ever have $1 trillion. Elon musk should immediately be taxed at 100% for any dollar more than $999,999,999,999. With all that extra tax revenue, we would be able to end homelessness and world hunger. Effectively solving poverty.It’s a no brainer at this point. TAX ELON MUSK!
>>537066129he cant cash out and its unrealized gains anyway.fucking moron
>>537066129>Elizabeth Warren's net worth is estimated at $12 million in 2026.I wish I was a repressed injun.
>>537066129She’s so sexually awkward when drinking a beer…
>>537066129What do you care, slob?
>>537066129at his level, the trick is to not have any actual money in his bank account. It's all values, it's stocks and shit. He can't cash out instantly, but he can just take a few thousands whenever he wants.
>>537066218It’s called an unrealized gain tax
>>537066129>No human should ever have $1 trillion.Why?>With all that extra tax revenue, we would be able to end homelessness and world hunger. Effectively solving poverty.The US annual budget is $7 trillion.
>>537066129So Elizabeth Warren is unaware of the Rothschilds?
>>537066129wealth taxes are not constitutional. Women don't belong in office because they have no principles, are basically whores, and don't think the rules apply to them.
>>537066129>With all that extra tax revenue, we would be able to end homelessness and world hunger.most regular millionaires could do that too. Or better, your government with all the money they send to Israel.
>>537066129>Wealth tax in the sense that wealthy people should pay me to say: actually we don't need a wealth tax
>>537066323Because everytime one of you assholes say tax the rich, I find that I'm one of the rich even though I can't afford gas for my car or hamburger for my dinner. fuck you assholes. If you all Marxist choked to death on your bile, it would be a blessing to humanity
>>537066129> No human should ever have $1 trillionAnd no human actually has that money. Not even the Rothschild kikes.
>>537066335Liberals unironically think these billionaires have their entire net worth just there in their bank accounts or sitting in big piles in a vault like Scrooge McDuck. They always demand billionaires get taxed hard which is fine, but they never have a plan for where that money is going to come from.
The first time I had to PAY income tax, not just withholding, was the year that President Reagan didn't pay any taxes. Seems he had a total loss on his cattle ranch business. He had one head of cattle, and it died in a tragic barbecue accident.
>>537066129>Max wealthOk, but then we need minimal wealth with execution as punishment.The bar should be set at varying degree based on skin color (before tan).I.E.: minimal wealth for negroes should be at 10 millions and 10k for people as white as snow.
>>537066129he does NOT have $1The owns majority of some companies and his share is worth that much IF1. he sells everything 2. the sudden influx of shares doesn't immediately decrease the price of them because of supply and demand 3. he cannot actually sell those shares anyway unless certain milestones are met. among them being a colony on mars with a million inhabitants and several other almost impossible featsalso, you're just a greedy envious little shit. fuck you. >t. I am literally homeless and living out of my vehicle
>>537066372>>537066595>rothschildYou’re very clearly paid astroturfing shills.
>>537066323>you can’t side with someone who’s richer than you on matters of policy even if they’re correct What?
>>537066218>he cant cash out and its unrealized gains anyway.well when it comes time to pay his taxes he better find a way to pay them I guess you know like we have to.
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>>537066765Excuse me? Are you not the shill making thread after thread about how "Elon musk is the first trillionaire" when he most certainly is not? Is that you?
>>537066218>he cant cash out and its unrealized gains anyway.>fucking moronTHE RICHEST PEOPLE ON EARTH JUST DONT HAVE THE MONEY BRO!!!!!!!listen to yourself you fucking retard
>>537066691"greed" is valuing your company at $1.7 trillion despite only having $19 billion revenue and operating at a $5 billion annual net loss
>>537066129wealth tax is fucking evil, same with inheritance tax, fucking government leeches trying to double and triple tax everything to they can waste more money on mismanaged projects or benefits for other leeches
>>537066218He can take out loans on his unrealised gains but can't pay tax on them?
>>537066362Amerimutts are brainwashed from an early age to think that if they just slave away in their 9-5 go-nowhere jobs and glaze billionaires/trillionaires for long enough, then they can be rich too someday. It’s drummed into you to prevent you from chimping out at your grotesque ‘society’. Even your education system is stacked against you rising up the social ladder (“legacy admissions”).
>>537066129Governments issue money. They do not need to collect tax revenue in order to spend.You don't take billionaires because you literally need their money. You tax them because you want to erode their ability to use their wealth to influence politics (which often includes monopolizing the government's ability to create money to benefit themselves and their interests instead of the broader population).But you don't need Musk's money so you can spend it on other stuff. The government already has dollars and can't run out of them.
>>537066129I don’t want this, i want him jailed; and insider trades jailed; epstein accomplices jailed; murderers in ice jailed, and trump jailed.
>>537066129I love native american takes on things!
Why don’t they stop his monopolist mergers and trade activities instead of threatening to take tax money for the corrupt government (for israeli weapons) to hold onto?
>>537066129Pocahontas should do the math for those, that don't work and live off the gibs.
>>537066129>tax Elon more so the money doesn't go to paying American engineers designing rockets to take men to Mars and instead to Somali scammers and Israel.
>>537066129Tax in general is stupid and inefficient, with income tax being the most hindering and destructive to productivity. Societies should strive to be tax free and fund the government through crown corps that build a sovereign wealth fund that each citizen is entitled to as a member of the country. This hyper taxation wagecuckery under oligarchs is no longer functional capitalism. China's model is proving superior in recent years.
>>537066323Well for starters the people demanding we raise taxes are all pocketing the tax money so you'd just be trading someone making money off providing something beneficial for people making money off literal theft and fraud.
>>537067058>wealth tax is fucking evil, same with inheritance taxDefending trillionaires (or any other hoarder of resources) as a prole is not only lamentably pathetic, but it should also go against your natural instinct. I can’t fathom how utterly mindraped by propaganda you’d have to be to describe a wealth tax as “fucking evil”. I pity you.
>>537067639Elon Musk would be sent to a reeducation camp if he was Chinese
>>537067103That doesn't answer my question even a little bit.
>>537067071correct
>>537066989how about we let all useless third world niggers starve instead of handing out welfare checks like candy and lower taxes for everyone who works?
both sides of the argument in this thread are fucking retardedjust saying
>>537066129Normies actually believe Elon Musk is the first lmao
>>537066337Which results in government ownership of pretty much everything, the thing that causes millions to die every single time. Brilliant.
>>537067103>brainwashedLiterally anybody can download RobinHood toss $100 a month into it and have a million dollar net worth in 40 years. But I'll bite. Explain how you feel your life would be improved if the US government stole the 1 trillion dollars Elon has in his giant vault full of cash tomorrow?>>537067106>You tax them because you want to erode their ability to use their wealthYeah, we should have stopped this when he only just owned Tesla, now we have the consequences of rapidly dwindling cost of putting stuff into orbit and a worldwide satellite communication system. The absolute horror. Why didn't government stop all this?
>>537066129Pretend pretend that Musk has 1 trillion bucks in the bank.
>>537066691You just have to marvel at the white slaves. I can't even be mad at the ultra wealthy, this is truly impressive.
>>537068304What do you imagine Elizabeth Warren would do with that extra trillion dollars that would improve your lot in life?
>>537068064>how about we let all useless third world niggers starve instead of handing out welfare checks like candy and lower taxes for everyone who works?you are paying high taxes so people like Elon can have welfare, not niggers.
>>537068275>Yeah, we should have stopped this when he only just owned Tesla, now we have the consequences of rapidly dwindling cost of putting stuff into orbit and a worldwide satellite communication system. The absolute horror. Why didn't government stop all this?It's entirely possible Musk makes good use of the money -- I don't know. It's not at all clear to me that NASA could not have been doing the same thing this entire time were it properly funded. After all, the Russians with their national space program don't have any issues building rocket engines that get to space (that's who we were buying them from after our own privatized government shut down NASA for.. reasons).Of course there are lots of other billionaires. Like Donald Trump, Kevin O'Leary, John Henry, Todd Boehly, Ray Dalio, etc. What products and services are they critical to?But all of this is kind of pointless with you because you skipped over the most relevant thing I said: government doesn't need Musk's money to fund anything. They already have all of the money they could ever need. They have, more or less, infinite dollars.
>>537066129I'm waiting for this guy to xeet
>>537066337So it will disproportionately affect the middle class because their 401ks will now be taxed even harder. Sounds good let's do it, im sure they have teams of tax lawyers and accounts to help them just like the wealthy
>>537066765Fooled nobody award
>>537066989That would crash the stock and there are limitations built into the contracts for exactly that reason, retard.
>>537068759>erm ackchyually handouts for free are NOT welfare because wahhhI hope for you’re sake that you’re underage
>>537066129If I see one post taking the bait I will slap them over the head
>>537068765>It's not at all clear to me that NASA could not have been doing the same thing this entire time were it properly funded.NASA has spent almost half a trillion dollars over the last 20 years. What have they accomplished with it?But I get your point. You don't really care if your life is improved you just want to see everybody else brought down to your level so that you don't have to feel so bad.
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>>537067986>Jews when they charge 30% on money I receive in exchange for my labor :O>Jews when I want to charge 30% on money they give to other Jews for literally nothing >:(
>>537066382(((Lincoln))) killed the constitution.
>>537068535UBIMedicare for AllFree Childcare This idea that I have to think Elizabeth Warren is a savior in order to want to tax ridiculous amounts of wealth is proof that you are a white slave.
>>537067986That needs to be changed. You should pay taxes on loans taken out for basic living expenses or even on all personal loans you take out after you have $1,000,000 in assets since they'd just lie about the real purpose of the loans. Or some similar law, I don't really care, as long as the loophole gets closed. They should be paying themselves whatever they want to live their opulent lifestyle and then paying the same income taxes that I do.
>>537069083you will never pay less taxes because Elon needs it, no matter how much you support the Epstein class
>>537066337If that's true then I'm against it unless there is some kind of unrealized loss credit.
>>537066129Meh Dems would just steal the money and fund their corrupt organizations. And of course more gibs for the browns and blacks
>>537067106>Governments issue money. lol...
>>537069561>UBI>Medicare for All>Free ChildcareWhat bills has she written that would attempt to give you all those things, and how far would Elon's 1 trillion dollars in cold hard cash go towards funding them? >you are a white slave.I work about 3 days a week, own a home on 10 acres and am on track to retire in the next 5 years. I'm doing alright by not waiting around for the government to give me free shit, but going out and just showing up for life and making my own destiny. Hang in there, sport, I'm sure eventually the government will tax enough money from the producers that some of it will trickle down to you.
>>537066129>end homelessnessThe government could already do that with relative ease if it really wanted to, but it doesn't.>end world hungerImpossible. All of us must eat. The drive to secure sustenance defines our very existence. It's good, natural, beautiful even.
>>537066129What he does with his money is better than what she does with hers.Him, fly rockets to space Her, fly niggers to your neighborhoods.
>>537069664How much taxes did you pay last year and how much of that money went straight to Elon?
>>537066129you can be a millionaire yourself by investing in a basic index fund only $400/month until you're in your late 30's but you waste that much on shit you don't need. That's the only difference between rich and poor, wasteful spending.
>>537066129I don't give a shit the -illionaire war now has a third faction. I hope they all kill each other.
>>537069561>he thinks 1 trillion of unrealized gains would pay for all that.kek.how long would that 1 trillion last for all of that?6 months?medicare already costs 1.1 trillion per year you NIGGER.how would you go about taking elon's wealth to pay for that, without killing all of his companies, which makes all those unrealized gains worthless anyway?not to mention all of the now millionaire employees (even beaner field welders) who work for him would be fucked by you doing this.
Not simping for billionaires but if you started realizing that wealth and giving it to poor, it would not be worth shit or anywhere to be found one month later.
>>537069845Governments do create money. I'm sorry this triggers you.
>>537070124I didnt pay my taxes
>>537067071Yes, this is the loophole that all wealthy people use. They use their stocks and assets as leverage to take out massive loans. The interest on the loans is pennies compared to what they'd be paying in taxes. This is how they can live an ultra luxurious lifestyle while paying almost no taxes.The obvious solution to this is to pass a new law saying anyone with a net worth of over say a billion dollars cannot take out loans using their assets as leverage without paying a tax on it equivalent to what they would have paid in capital gains and income taxes if they had sold their stock.Common sense that will never be enacted because the ultra wealthy control the government.
>>537066129Redistributing $1 trillion would mean each person just gets $3,000. Once. It would cover the average person's expenses for like a month or so, while permanently destroying the entire economy because anyone with any money or ambition or sense would immediately leave the US.And that's if they only redistributed all of his wealth to Americans. $1 trillion redistributed across all 8 billion people on Earth would be a windfall of ~$125 per person. Definitely not ending homelessness or hunger or poverty or anything else.
It's useless thread because 99% of the people in it want to keep pretending the government doesn't issue money.Nobody. Needs. Musk's. Money. To. Fund. Anything.
>>537066129he most likely doesn't even have 10m dollars cash. The "trillion" thing is a net worth i.e. you'd need to take his companies he built, chop them up, sell them off and then the government would get the money and you'd never see any of it. It would go up Zekenski's nose or some other big government fraud lord.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh9hmVJapCg
>>537070480Thats a good way to nose dive production and gdpI say we do it
>>537066129It's too bad that all the people calling for a wealth tax on the elite are also apart of the elite and also want to take away all our rights and they want more immigrants and gay shit
>>537066129The vast, vast, vast majority of billionaires don't produce a single fucking thing. They move money around with their vile jew sorcery and the money just grows. Musk is one of the few that has actually produced at least. Love him or hate him, you can't say he did nothing.
>>537066129>THATS IT WE NEED HIM TO GIVE THE GOVERNMENT MORE TAX MONEY THAT THEY WILL SURELY GIVE TO ME SOME DAY!!
>>537066286>$12 million vs $1 trillionIdiot
>>537066129They want a wealth tax so they can give themselves raises and make $350k/yr instead of $200k while they keep raising your property taxes your fuel costs and your electric bill.
>>537070749How does a billionaire paying taxes on a loan to buy a new yacht nosedive production and gdp? I'm all ears.
>>537070886>we need to tax anyone making a million dollars>becomes millionaire>we need to tax anyone make 8 figures or more not the average american who saved their whole life to retire with a million dollars>becomes worth 12 million>actually its the billionairesYou are a faggot
>>537066129She needs a trident in the chest.
>>537066129SpaceX IPO sold a few thousand shares at 160 each and if you extrapolate to the remaining shares that exist, but are currently not traded, you get a multi trillion evaluation which makes elon a trillionair. This is one giant ponzi scheme. If elon got a very expensive hospital bill and wasnt allowed to take on a loan backed by his imaginary wealth, he would actually be in financial trouble.
>>537066129Reddit is >> that way, commie faggot
>>537066129No human should have anything everything belongs to the state amirite
>>537066500Poorfag
>>537066129We need to deport all socialist and statist parasites immediately.Straight to North Korea. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 200.
>>537067882trillionaire and billionaire are misnomers in the first placethese people are '''billionaires'''' because they own significant shares in multiple businesses, retards like you and gary stevenson think these people are just hoarding billions of dollars in their mattressesso what, anyone who happens to own shares in a successful business should be forced to give up their wealth because? you should hate 'billionaires' because of the harmful ideas they push on society, like mass immigration, not just because they have theoretical money, goyim mindset
>>537066323Yeah cause the taxes always go to the rich and the politicians (same thing) anyway. And then you use that excuse to tax everyone especially the poor and working class into poverty. Then you complain the poverty you caused via taxation theft and aggression was actually because you didnt steal from the poor enough and you steal so much that you make everyone destitute slaves in a shit poor tyrannical society full of violence squalor and suffering.
>>537066129>we need to give the government even more moneyNo fuck you. Why are leftists SO FUCKING OBSESSED with giving the government unlimited money? Is it because they're the easiest to brainwash?
>>537070480That's not the loophole. Marxist faggots want you to think that's the loophole because getting a loan using stocks as collateral to avoid capital gains taxes sounds like some shady shit that only really rich people would do, so it sounds reasonable to support closing this supposed loophole.But that isn't the real loophole, because the thing about banks loaning you money is that eventually they will want you to pay them back. So at some point you will either have to sell some stock to pay back the bank or default on the loan, transferring ownership of the stock to the bank, both of which will trigger capital gains taxes, which will probably be even worse than if you had just sold the stock instead of getting the loan in the first place. UNLESS...[Here is the real loophole]...you are dead and your children have inherited the stock and the debt obligation. Because when your children inherit all that stock, THEIR capital gains tax basis will "step up" to the fair market value of the stock on the day they inherited it. If they immediately turn around and sell the stock or transfer ownership of it to the bank, their capital gains tax liability will be basically zero.>Ah, so that's the weird rich person loophole that we need to close!No, because for every rich person using this "loophole" to do something shady, there are millions of average, normal not rich people who this "loophole" also applies to when their parents die and they inherit their home or other assets. That's who these marxists are really trying to fuck over by shilling this idea that muh trillionaires have tax loopholes that we need to fix.
>>537066337What kind of stupid Nigger would tax unrealized gains? Kill yourself.
>>537071542>so what, anyone who happens to own shares in a successful business should be forced to give up their wealth because?>anyoneWe're talking about the wealthiest 1%ers here, disingenuous faggot. No one cares about the $20 of Apple stock that you have in your Robinhood account. Stop lying and trying to set up false strawmen
>>537070749>>537070967And... crickets. Fucking faggot musk fanboys.
>>537071859>We're talking about the wealthiest 1%ers here,Who cares? You sound like a jealous faggot who lets them live rent free in your head 24/7. Giving the government even more money is stupid as hell. The government has always.m been the biggest waste of money imaginable and the reason why inflation is so high. Fuck you.
>>537071671It's less about giving the government more money and more about taking excessive wealth away from 1%ers who have more than enough wealth to be set for generations. Although, we could theoretically cut all income taxes on people making less than $100k a year if we implemented a sufficient wealth tax on the ultra wealthy, and that actually would help people
>>537072047>It's less about giving the governmentNo, moron. That's the entire point. You've been brainwashed.
>>537066129>The average American household would have to work 11 million years to achieve that level of wealthPull yourself up by the bootstraps you lazy zoomers
>>537072029>Who cares that the wealthiest 1% own 90% of the wealth in this country? Who cares that we have multi billionaires running businesses that pay unlivable slave wages? I can't even imagine being such a bootlicking good goy for wealthy elites. Beyond pathetic.
>>537066129The typical American household could work for 11 trillion years and not come up with electric cars, rockets, paypal and whatever other dumb shit Elong is getting paid for.
>>537072092I know my own point. I want wealth to be taken from the ultrawealthy. The legal mechanism for doing that is through taxation. The fact that that money then goes to the government is just a downstream effect of what I actually want.
>>537072251>wealth is finiteI guess that's where you stand. You believe there's some magic ceiling that's preventing you from making money because of "da evil billionaires". You're just jealous. Straight up.
>>537066129>retard who was tricked into taking a DNA test that proved she was lying about being Native American once again proves she's a complete fucking retard by babbling incoherent nonsense and not understanding how valuation and wealth work in the modern systemGrifting whore.
>>537066129I garantee musk is more beneficial than this harpy
>>537072335No, you don't. You believe wealth is finite and the government deserves even more money. Fuck you.
>>537071831Yes, I get all of that. Why do you think I used a billion dollars net worth as a starting point example? We already have a progressive tax system so why aren't we applying it to this loophole for billionaires? Make it different percentages with different brackets based on net worth just like the taxes all of us common folk have to pay on income. I hate taxes and the general idea of taxation as much as the next person but without this we just end up with ultra rich oligarch sociopath families controlling everything.
>>537066129No. A wealth tax is redistribution. The only wealth tax that anyone will ever be able to get behind is a corporate tax on bonuses paid. This encourages them to raise wages instead of rely on one-time bonuses and to pay their fair share.
>>537068964It's fine. The middle class can just finally pick up rifles and murder the entirety of the political class.
>>537066129How about cut spending on a useless military and lower taxes?Iran proved that you don't need 2 million dollar missiles when a 5k drone can take down a 100 million dollar Apache.
>>537066129Anyojlne should be able to have that money retard, the problem is that he is using it to push pro-white politics
>>537072270>elon musk invented electric cars, rockets, and paypalAre you 12?
>>537066129How many years would it take the average American to earn Elizabeth Warrens net worth thats between 7-12 Million dollars as a conservative estimate?
>>537072668Okay...... That sounds great, anon, but it doesn't really address the point of the trillionare problem
>>537066129>we want you to take loans out against your assets so we can tax it
>>537072800Having a trillionaire isn't a problem.Having a government that wastes 4 trillion a year is.
>>537072945To be fair, they're both problems
>>537066989>Rich people all just have giant scrooge mcduck swimming pools of gold coins and all we have to do to fund our gay sex training in Botswana programs is back trucks up to the pool and load up whenever we need moneyWorlds most economically literate leftist
>>537072945THISSTOP SIMPING OVER GIVING THE GOVERNMENT UNLIMITED MONEY FILLED WITH CORRUPT CAREER POLITICIANS
>>537073019Not my problem. Send them the tax bill and let them figure it out lol
>>537072993Exactly. So many retards here see everything in black and white.
>>537072993Why is Elon owning a dozen companies that are solvent a problem?
>>537073168Why not be upset that the government devalued your currency so much that being a trillionaire was posibble?
>>537072993>elon giving jobs to hundreds of thousands of people who are feeding their families is a problem Pretty sure the problem is you.
>>537073357Because we have a massive wealth inequality problem in this country where a handful of wealthy elites own the vast majority of all the wealth. The ultra rich are getting wealthier and wealthier while the middle class shrinks and people working full time jobs can't afford basic costs of living. This is a troubling trend for anyone who is even remotely intellectually honest about this subject. We may disagree over the solution, but anyone who doesn't recognize the problem with the rich getting richer, the emegence of the world's first trillionare, and the collapsing middle class, simply aren't being honest or are captured by ideology.
>>537071045Get those balls out your mouth, you're filth compared to millionaire/billionaire/trillionaires.
>>537066362>we would be able to end homelessness and world hunger.Yeah, about that ask niggerfornia how that when, those fucking nigger lover lost over 5billions feeding imaginary nigger and spics only lining up their own pockets.
>>537073621So cut spending and lower taxes cause Elons money isn't going to you it's going to israel.
>>537073621>Because we have a massive wealth inequality problemSounds like a (You) problem. Elon isn't preventing you from being rich. Your low self esteem and perpetual victimhood status combined with your laziness is.
>>537073587Elon is one of the biggest and most vocal supporters of H1Bs and importing labor. The only "families" he's interested in supporting are jeet families who are willing to come here and work cheaper than Americans. He is absolutely part of the problem, and so are bootlicking faggots like you. You really are the goodest goy in this thread
>>537073728When was the last time Bernie complained about multimillionaires and said they had to pay their fair share?
>>537073744That's nice. Keep sucking billionaire dick
>>537073828>H1BsHmm who came up with and enforces that?Perhaps the people why devalued our currency and spend over 4 trillion a year on nothing?
>>537073828Your talking points are 6 months stake. Elon reversed on the H1b. Try to keep up.
>>537066129that dumb cunt flies private, gets paid to do not work like most of congress and probably does a lot of insider trading which deserves hanging until dead
>>537073883That's nice. Keep sucking millionaire dick
kys faggot
>>537066129>"Democrats are actually communists who don't want anyone to have any private property"... say the oligarchy-fascist bootlickers masquerading as Republicans who want Elon to have all the private property.
>>537073929And she hates guns has armed security.
>>537066129yes but only for jews and leftist donators
>>537073582I am very upset about that anon. But they're two completely different problems. You sound like a mentally deficient child.
>>537066129That's the level of intelligence of a US congress critter. Elon probably pays tax on a few million income per year, all that money she's talking about is locked up in equity in companies.
>>537074149>blames a guy for "making too much money" instead of the government devaluing itYou sound like a moron.
>>537074149Elon's money isn't your problem though.It's no ones.Are you upset that he was able to accrue that kind of wealth only because the devaluing of your currency made it possible?
>>537066129Why don't people realize the only reason billionaires exist is the MONEY PRINTINGNobody wants to attack the real problem
>>537073906They're both bad, anon. You keep trying to shift the focus of the conversation toward "government bad". I don't disagree with you. I'm just here to tell you that they're both bad. We can take H1Bs as a great example. Yes, government was at fault for creating the H1B system, and the wealthy elites are at fault for exploiting it and using it to import cheap, 3rd world labor to keep wages suppressed and avoid paying Americans what the job is actually worth. See how that works?
>>537070967>>537071907>all rich people buy is yachts You guys use a script right?
>>537074348Americans are famous for not being able to see the forest for the trees.
>>537066989Yeah bro, when the $1 menu is up again maybe he should go to mcdonalds and buy 1 trillion burgers and pay with 1 networth of his.
>>537074439Ah. I didn't notice your flag. Sorry. Guess I offended you by talking about all those brown H1B jeets, huh? Sorry about that, Rankesh
>>537066129>No human should ever have $1 trillion. Elon musk should immediately be taxed at 100% for any dollar more than $999,999,999,999. With all that extra tax revenue, we would be able to end homelessness and world hunger. Effectively solving poverty.>It’s a no brainer at this point. TAX ELON MUSK!Nice try normalising taxes.Nobody should pay taxes.
She wasn't a multimillionaire before she took office and the way she used Native Americans to lie her way in is so offensive.
>>537066129Hes not the only one, he's just the front. Why doesn't anyone ever kake it clear that after a certain point it's just digits, not dollars?
>>537074553>You're a jeetAh the old stand by.Who created the H1B program anyway?Was it Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Larry Fink?
>>537066129Dude makes money and everybody have meltdown.... kek
>>537072945Having politicians that became multi-millionaires while in office and never having a private sector job is a huge problem.
>>537074713YES!This!>>537074553I looked it up for you.Pic related
>>537074242Elon didn't earn that level of wealth. Nobody who reaches that level of wealth truly "earned" it. They get it through money manipulation and shady deals with power and influence. His wealth is funded by common tax payers. You pay taxes to the government, the government contracts out work to elon's companies. Elon is basically a fucking welfare queen. But I'm sure you already knew that. No point in arguing with you disingenuous faggots.>>537074281I'm not saying elon's money specifically is my problem. I'm saying ALL ultra wealthy are a problem. They force you to pay taxes so they can distribute your measly earnings to the ultra wealthy via government contracts. I'd prefer no government or taxation at all then none of these faggot ultra wealthy scumbags would exist in the first place. But if we're required to pay our fair share via a progressive tax system, they need to pay their fair share with a progressive tax system too. I suppose you like being a slave to the ultra wealthy? Or are you just too stupid to see it?
>>537066129Fauxcahontus
>>537074955So my idea to cut spending and lower taxes would solve everything.Elon's money isn't the problem.
>>537074838>still doing the GOVERNMENT BAD routineI already said that the government created the program. Did you even read my post, pajeet?
>>537075162No, I'm not reading your long winded attempt at moving the goalposts.
>>537075087>Elon's money isn't the problem.A laughable response when that anon took the time to give you two, well thought out paragraphs about the problem, only to have you hand wave it away and dismiss it as "not a problem." I see now that you're just a dishonest jeet shill.
>>537066129>this fag making too much money>it should go to the governmentNo fuck them they will just give it back to them or their friends. Government works with the corporate fags. Taxes, fees, fines, all meant for us not them.
You can tax everyone 100%. Its not going to solve homelessness, some people will rather rip copper from the walls and use it for drugs then live in the apartment
>>537075343Elon's money still isn't your problem.Never was.Cry about it.
>>537075087Yes, that's one solution and I'm all for it. But anyone who already has a ridiculous net worth from government contracts funded by common tax payers need to forfeit their net worth first and have their companies liquidated. Let's take away all of their money to pay off the national debt then we can end welfare and taxes. Sound good?
>>537075450It's actually pretty easy to solve homeless people.One route is simply doing what commies did: Simply put all of them into jail.Second more humane way is to take homeless check if they are addicted if they are push them into detox centers, if they aren't put them into small communities of homeless people where they have shelter and food but they will have to work every day for that food. Like they take them somewhere and they do that job and if it's done they get food and some money.
>>537075450They could take billionaire and trillionaires money and they'd run out of money by June.But it's Elons fault.
>>537066129you've got a literal military, just take it from him. he's not even got a single soldier. what's he gonna do, cry about it on twitter?
>>537075450Also if it's like America they really need another war on drugs and i would go as far as execute everybody who deals or sells. It needs to be wiped off the surface of the planet. If they want fucking weed let them but if it's anything beyond that immediately to prison and executions.
>>537075343How is Elon's money the problem again?Is it because it's his and not yours?
I don't care that Elon has a ton of money but we should all care that he uses it to influence our government to benefit himself. The idea of 'banning billionaires' is stupid, even China has billionaires but the difference is China is sensible enough to deal with the ones who try to subvert the country harshly.That's why China is surpassing the west. We allow our billionaires to lobby the government to bring in infinity brown 'people' for cheap labor. That should not be allowed.
>>537075547Kek.You think robbing everyone is the way forward?Amazing.What of the people who work at PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX, X, xAI, Neuralink, Boring Company who need a salary to feed their families?
>>537072335Go fuck yourself, private property rights are absolute. If you don't think so, I own all your shit and you too.
>>537075910I was being facetious retardo. But hey they robbed us first faggot.>What of the people who work at PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX, X, xAI, Neuralink, Boring Company who need a salary to feed their families?We send all of you jeets back to the shithole you came from. Problem solved.
>>537075533>>537075787I've already discussed this and so have other anons. I'm not going to keep repeating myself simply because you can't understand it. You can scroll up
>>537076135And youve already been debunked, many times.No, Elon isnt preventing you from being rich.
>>537075973>The libertarian cuck has entered the chatHow cute. But see, you don't own my stuff because that's not the law. And under the law, the government can and does impose taxes. That's how things work in the real world. Those are some catchy slogans you have about private property, but I'm guessing you (or your mommy) still paid your taxes this year lol
>>537076135There's no point in arguing with them any longer. They're either jeets who work at one of musk's companies or musk fanboys who don't want to see spacex and tesla stock crash because they're invested.
Okay start with the politicians first. Politicians are civil servants therefore should not be pay a fucking penny.
>>537076586Maybe you should be sick of paying taxes that go to some loser country in the middle east what should have been blown up by now?
>>537076713Leftists would fight to the death to prevent career politicians from paying their fair share. Complete bootlicker class.
>>537076744Lol who said I'm not you daft retard?
>>537076568Ok then, everything is what some guys like you arbitrarily made up because you're cynical thieving murdering pieces of shit, and you hate private property.Then the logical conclusion is that everyone who does believe in prosperity and private property rights, should apply all of your wishes 100 times fold to you, and do everything in their power to remove the self ownership and all private property of people like you who hate self ownership, prosperity and private property rights.Thank you for enlightening us. We'll get to work on making your dreams come true then, but for you instead of us, since you wanted it so bad, good job.
> be Elizabeth Warren> spend your entire life in the lefty apparatus and literally never improve anyone’s life> be Elon Musk > turn thousands of your janitors and other low end wagies into millionaires
>>537073880I'm not American why the fuck would I care about some yank politician?
>>537066337they're trying to introduce that here and it will absolutely destroy us
>>537076896lol. He's done the same thing to me all thread. >Government and wealthy elites both share some of the blame>YEAH? WELL GOVERNMENT BAD. YOU SHOULD BLAME GOVERNMENT.>I just did....Complete schizo arguing against himself
>>537077770Based Elon bringing in thousands of jeets. He needs more money to bring more jeets
>>537066129We have a wealth tax. It is called property tax. Don't forget to pay yours. Taxing unrealized gains in corporate stock valuations is a non-starter. Anyone who talks about it is just trying to score political points with morons. It would collapse the world economy very quickly and end with governments owning all private businesses because they had to bail them out after all the stock was sold to pay taxes. That said it would not be a bad way to create a true Stalinesque fascist dictatorship.
>>537066335>>537066615Dude I don't fucking care, the average young man can't start a family or buy a home or even a used car anymore Eat these fucking kikes and then we can ponder about right and wrong when it comes to trillionaires
Elon Musk’s exact liquid net worth is a closely guarded private figure, but estimates suggest he holds less than $1 billion in liquid cash.Faggots.
>>537079415he probably only has some millions in liquid cash. doubtful even $250 million (still more than he'll ever need...)
>>537073621Biggest thing I noticed where I live is that apartments demand your income be three times the monthly rent. Most jobs pay $16, and most 1-bedroom apartments are $1,200 a month.That is to say the average worker is priced out of the average 1-bedroom apartment.
He should put bounties on the heads of his enemies
>>537066129>No human should ever have $1 trillion. why not. Not as if he robbed a bank or anything. He's a successful businessman>Elon musk should immediately be taxed at 100% for any dollar more than $999,999,999,999. why. seems arbitrary to me.>With all that extra tax revenue, we would be able to end homelessness and world hunger Effectively solving poverty.>Yeah, right. after the great depression hit, everyone said the same thing. Why, just tax those millionaires and we can... well as it turns out? NOT solve poverty and world hunger.>As soon as the government gets more money? All it does is figure out what else it can do with it. I know hunger and poverty won;t ennnd, that's just thte bullshit lit you spin to get your hands on someone's cash. And if Elon was a liberal and not conservative? We both know that's the only reason.Me, I'm not jealous of people that have more money than I do. Maybe they earned it, maybe they inherited it, I don't car. But I know I'm not jealous. But I know what I am...I read history. All the high taxes on the elite wealthy in the 30s? Didn't end poverty, didn't end hunger, in fact it didn't end diddly shit. All the "great society" crap and all the ills are still with us today, and even worse. No, all the high taxes did? Was put a stop to progress. World War 2 broke us out of the depression, and that was it.>So Elizabeth Warren can fuck off.
>>537066129I hate people who constantly look and whine at the wealth of others.Are you a quebecer???
>>537066129that's fine if the government doesn't get any of the money and politicians take a pay cut also
at 5 million you have secured financial freedom for you and your family. at 50 million you beat capitalism entirely.what is there left to do once you hit the billions besides fuck kids?
>>537066129>We need a wealth tax immediatelyNo.>WeKYS.
>>537066129>state creates oligarchy>lets give more money to the state
>government official wants to tax the wealthy so that it can go into their pocketsIf you think that money will be redistributed to the poor, then you're a moron.
what's really hilarious is how people have 0 opinion / interest in many things that directly affect their lives, but they're expert when it comes to defending the interest of the very small number of oligarchs in their country
>>537066218>erm the king isn’t powerful because his power is tied up in land, armies, and titles rather than coins in his pocket
>>537073019No but Elon has hundreds of millions to a few billion in cash on hand. He can leverage tens of billions against his assets. And he commands tens of billions more annually in corporate capital with his 80% voting stock.
>>537080935It’s peasant mentality
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>>537067970Don't threaten me with a good time.
>>537066362They can never answer why. Also it’s the most nigger mindset of all time. You have something I don’t that I want? The solution is for me to take it from you lmao.
>>537080483Most use the money to try to improve their communities and society. Unfortunately a lot of them are terrible at that. Better them than the federal government though.
I reckon that the ultra-wealthy are due a reminder of what the peasants can do when pressed.It won’t happen until Netflix doesn’t work and groceries are sparsely-stocked.
>>537071831Also, should we tax people who take out loans against the “unrealized gains” in their homes equity? It’s all a retarded idea and normal people do shit like this every day, just on a smaller level.
>>537081645It's not merely that Elon Musk as money, it's that he has that money because of a system that allows a tiny few people to get rich while everyone else has to scrape to survive. Why is Elon Musk worth a trillion dollars? Because the stock market had decided that all the companies he owns are worth a trillion dollars. Why is he the one who owns all that stock, and not all the factory workers, engineers, scientists who actually did the hard work of making all the shit that Elon takes credit for?At the end of the day, all Elon is is just a nigger with money. That's all any capitalist is, they're not fucking geniuses, they're coked out retards who are lucky enough to have tons of money to throw around in an economy where growth has been reassured for decades. Normal people can't play the game at the same level that Elon Musk can because they don't have all that money in the first place.
>>537079556Most jobs pay 16 per hour? Lmao. Maybe if you are in high school.
>>537066382They aren’t unconstitutional either.
>>537066129Elon Musk doesn't have 1 trillion dollars you gay retarded shitass.
>>537066129These stupid dickheads think that he’s just got a giant Scrooge McDuck vault full of gold that he swims around in. That’s not how it works.
>>537082230Fuck off demented commie subhuman. You are just maliciously envious scum and you do not have the answers. Absolute fucktarded prick.
im okay with trillionaires become it means everyone else is poorer for it. if you don't make enough money then you should probably just die tb h
>>537082230They can’t play the game at the same level (no shit), but they can play the game. Has no one heard of fidelity or interactive brokers? Normal humans can put money in the market as well. In all likelihood you will not ever get near that level of wealth, but if you aren’t retarded you can sure do a lot better than just scraping by.
>>537066129Did your parents have any children that lived?
>>537082530You do realize there is a finite amount of money and when you give it a few people at top instead of spreading it out there is usually social unrest and society collapses and has lower quality of life right? You fucktard.
>>537066129>take $1 trillion from billionaires>spend all that money on free gibs for the poor>the price of everything goes up because you just asked the market to suddenly provide $1 trillion worth of shit that doesn't exist, which means you have to buy it from other countries, which means your country is now $1 trillion in debt to other countries and now your own country can't supply itself because it has to pay off that $1 trillion debt>innovators leave your country>country turns into South Africa #2>sheeeeeeeeeeit
>>537082479>>537082530>Silly pleb, I'm holding my trillion dollars in a hard-to-tax form! Consider yourself outskilled!>I'm actually basically poor since I can't even use most of this trillion dollars but you should definitely call me a trillionaire anyway. I don't have it but I do have it, see how it works?>Anyway I'll be flying private back to see one of my baby mommas, I sure hope my venerable simps on /pol/ defend me from anyone who attacks my honor while I'm away.
>>537066129Anyone else fantasize about Elizabeth Warren being raped by a group of niggers, all her holes stuff with multiple cocks over the course of hours before eventually having her skull crushed with a tire iron?
The problem is that government takes working people’s money and uses it to pay for not working people’s food and housing. This drives up the cost of food and housing and everything else. (Poors can buy cars because no food/house expense etc. This increases the price for cars). So yes increased government hand outs does directly fuck over the average working man. It’s a big ponzi and a bubble that will eventually become unsustainable. Now factor in all the money the government officials steal and put into their own pockets and also get as kick backs from the businesses that make Cheetos and Oreos etc. to keep the scam going. Steal from working people. Give to the leeches. The leeches then buy the Cheetos. It’s a huge scam. Want to get rich. Make a product that leeches will buy. Vote in democrats to give the leeches free money. Enjoy.
>>537082230No society will ever be a perfect meritocracy. Everyone is born with a certain amount of luck. A baby born blind and deaf with no arms in the slums of Jakara will never grow up to create the next Tesla. That's just how it is. But the good thing about our Capitalist system is that this does not work the other way around. There is always downward mobility. The retards are allowed to fail. There is no systemic barrier that prevents a sufficiently retarded nepo baby from dying blind and deaf with no arms in the slums of Jakarta.If Elon Musk were truly just a lucky idiot he would have burned through all his luck a long time ago.
>>537082616>In all likelihood you will not ever get near that level of wealththis is why you need to see the big picture. Elon musk and people like him aren't just rich, they're rich enough that they can play politics, run the world, as they feel is their right as the elite. They'll let you get rich enough that you can have a big house and a big pool, but they'll never let you get rich enough to enter the club of people who actually matter.
>>537066129No.We need the death penalty for theft, and posession of an impossible amount of wealth to be prima facie proof of theft.When every (((thief))) is dead, we can have a sane economy that works..
>>537066129>Elon musk should immediately be taxed at 100% for any dollar more than $999,999,999,999Generous are we?
>>537083296Nigger, stock wealth isn’t “real”. Yes there is the take loans forever loophole but unrealized gains taxes aren’t workable unless the government accepts the stocks or other property as payment of the tax. This would result in the government having controlling shares of all companies.
>>537083225I don’t care. I have escaped rat race territory. Could give two shits about who has enough power and money to play politics. I think people should be more worried about fixing their own world than that trivial shit. It’s the same mindset of a lazy woman complaining about how the patriarchy is why she can’t get ahead.
>>537083053There are more ways to do socialism that just gibs for niggers. Socialism can also be used to create jobs and make people productive.>>537083187>If Elon Musk were truly just a lucky idiot he would have burned through all his luck a long time agoI think we're all watching him burn through his luck right now. Worth a trillion worthless dollars and the whole world hates him.
>>537083225Wrong, you find a way to help one of those rich niggers scam money from the other rich niggers and you can get in the club. I’m not part of it but the nature of people isn’t going to be different at the top. Plenty of snake and corrupt people that will turn coat to gain an inch more than someone else.
>>537066129they really just mask-off point at the rich and wanna go get themkinda wild to see democrats stoop to this level honestlyoldfag sadness
>>537083808Oh no some people don't like him. I'm sure he cries himself to sleep every night.
>>537083808One of the biggest complaints by people against Elon is that “poor” retards don’t want to tax him because they think they can become him. So the idea that the whole world hates him is false.
Elon isn't even rich, all his "worth" is tied up in to ZOG contracts he's grifted up. The glowniggers he's a frontman for could just as easily replace him with some other fake faggot.
>>537066129Elizabeth Warren is based in a lot of ways. She is just wrong on the logistics of taxing unrealized gains. It just won't work. Taxing wealth INSTEAD of income is a great idea, it is just 1) very difficult to execute and 2) only ever suggested as being IN ADDITION to income taxes.
>>537083865>I can scheme and plot my own way into the ruling class, I see how things really work, I know how the game is played, I'm nobody's foolYou could just join your fellow workers hand in hand, and we can take on the elites together.
>>537083225>they'll never let youHere's a secret, anon.Even CEOs are poor relative to business owners. All those Indian CEOs you see coming in? They are the wage slaves of the upper class. They are hired to make decisions and do business relations but they are not the winners.The real winners are those who make their own businesses.These people who make their own businesses create jobs, they advance technology, they pioneer. And for that, they get rewarded more than anyone else.Unfortunately, that also includes fraudsters. If someone creates a business of fraud such as exploiting commie welfare schemes (such as by the somalis) they can get millions in exchange for doing jack fucking shit. There also exists nepotism here by certain groups of people getting bank loans and private investments much easier than other groups. THIS is the true evil in society, that people are allowed to get FREE MONEY over other people.If you use your free money on a business that fails you lose nothing. If it succeeds you win everything. That is the corrupt nature of business nepotism and in-group preference and fraudsters. Government grants and welfare schemes can often be part of this but there are many contributing factors.
Do leftists not know tax brackets already exist? There hasn't even been a debate against them in the mainstream in ten years.
>>537084033How's your daughter, Elon?>>537084035Where are you going to find people who still like Elon Musk? Facebook? I know there's still plenty of shitskins who still love Elon, creatures created by God to be the victim of a crypto rugpull, but is that who you want to be in current year?
>>537073728Yea well I've seen the future, you can't afford it.
>>537084361CEOs get equity in the businesses that they run, executives are the biggest shareholders in the system. CEOs and business owners are one and the same people most of the time.
The only way to fix society is for society to value high moral character more than money. So in many ways religion is the cure for society in a death spiral caused by corruption and greed. A tax happy socialist government is not the answer to world’s problems. Religion which supports an appropriate amount of voluntary charity and good works is. Religion can be corrupted as well but it’s easier to push it back on track using the founding principles. Using the bible as an example, people can become corrupted and scheme to steal using Christianity but by reading the bible you can call out those bad actors and pull the general population back toward the underlying good word. However, that is not easily doable with a “good” socialism or whatever other economic theory because it’s too abstract for the average person and no outside judgment (God) to motivate and keep criminally inclined people in order.
>>537066129>weThere is no we. Browns, women, and trannies do not matter.
>>537084823What, they get shares? Who cares, that's like getting a crumb of the pie as opposed to the whole thing.I'm descendent from someone who started a business. I won't specify which, but it's a business everyone in this thread knows. He became one of the most powerful men in the world from that business. A CEO could only dream of that shit.
>>537084392It is still just income taxes. Income is the first derivative of wealth, not wealth itself. It is easy for wealthy people to keep their "income" artificially low. Income should never have been taxed to begin with, as we should be encouraging people to raise their incomes, not taxing them for it. More income = more GDP. More wealth just = more stuff. People have too much stuff.
>>537066129So another annual tax, on how much money you could keep, after all the taxes you already paid. And the tax will be on ALL the wealth you have, not only the one you acquired that year. Greedy government people like that, should be given helicopter rides.
>>537066129>Female politician says
>>537084033I’m proud of you Elon. You actually try to do good at least. Which is all anyone can really do to improve the world. >>537084361This is correct.
>>537084208>Taxing wealth INSTEAD of income is a great ideaThat's not her argument though. She wants to tax wealth, on top of taxing income.
>>537066129Elon Musk doesn't have $1T. He has pieces of paper (or rather entries in a db) that could in theory be sold for $1T. The act of doing this would change their price. But you know all this you disingenuous faggot.
>>537066218So what? Australia has unrealised gains tax and we're doing JUST FINE
>>537085006You're talking about equity, right? Shares are a vehicle of ownership, aren't they? According to the SEC, Elon Musk is the largest shareholder of Tesla, and he outright owns nearly half of SpaceX. When his companies rise in value, that means a portion of that rise in value goes right to his stock portfolio. Are you talking about hedge funds and investment companies like Blackrock and Vanguard, who also own a massive share of the economy? If so, then I absolutely believe that we need to be cutting them down to size as well.
>>537084823>executives are the biggest shareholders in the systemNot true in the large cap companies. The biggest shareholders in every publicly traded company big enough to be well known are pension, endowment and sovereign wealth funds. Most of them administered by Blackrock and State Street.
>>537066218>You see, he basically owns literally nothingOkay, then he loses nothing by handing it over, right?
>>537084245It’s incredibly dishonest to portray the entire working class as honest good people. The working class has plenty of scamming lazy niggers that do absolutely bare minimum or less if possible. It’s just as bad as the scamming elite. A nigger is gonna nig if he is has no money, a million dollars or a billion. Instigating problems by pitching the poor against the wealthy is a big scam. It should be the just against the unjust.
>>537085409I think there is a good argument to force companies to include ALL employees in their equity distributions. Havin only the upper management get the fruits of the company's increasing value is half of the problem in the corporate world. In my fortune 500 Company, only managers with at least a few hundred direct reports have stock option in their compensation. I think more regulation of how corporations compensate their employees could be helpful here. The CEOs labor is not worth 5000 times more than his lowest paid employee. His lowest paid employee should also benefit if the company increases its equity. And no I don't mean the gay little 401k match that companies have. That is a pittance of equity, even over an entire career.
>>537085409Yeah, because Elon Musk bought up those companies, iirc. He bought x he bought up spacex or founded it or co-founded it or whatever. A CEO doesn't have to buy up the company they're just hired by the shareholders and the board, aren't they?I'm for taking from the rich and giving to the poor but there's a lot of nuance to it.>ensuring the assets are actually taxed and they don't avoid taxes>knowing that a trillionaire with $1T does not necessarily make food or housing or anything else more expensive because it may not be competing in that market>unlike investment companies buying up houses, fuck that shit>considering the vehicle by which you dispense the money to the poor, i.e. I would really love it if our government paid NHS workers more instead of immigrants, we'd get less strikes and doctors would stop leaving for other countries and they would spend the money back into our economy unlike immigrants who want to send the money back home
>>537066129you guys need sharia- 2.5% on your wealth after 100k threshold - no taxes beyond that- no interests either- women can't be whores there, most west issues are fixed with one simple solution
>>537066129or they could do like he didinvest in the right companiesinnovatereinvest innovate reinvest capitalism: who is most productive and innovative winscommunism: gibs me dat
