What did Iran war achieve?
Revealed US is a paper tiger and China owns the world now
>>537081469These d u b s
>>537081574>flagAt least US was smart enough to figure out it can't win after 40 days. It's taking Putin 5 years to figure out that he can't win against Ukraine.
Liberals don't want you to know this but girl piss is free at the powerlifting gym btw
>>537081469Total iranian supremacy in the gulf region and a growing influence on the middle east and the muslim world
>>537081469Iran will never obtain a nuclear weapon and threaten the United States or our allies in the region.
The middle east is now more stable than it's ever been
>>537082213They never threatened the US with nukes.And which allies in the region are you talking about?
>>537081469Israel BTFO, aren't you happy
Trump and the jews made a lot of money from insider trading, cost of living when up quite a bit higher....that's about it.
>>537081469it showed that there can never be peace unless we get Israel on a leash
>>537081469>pretending to be ignorantNew shill cope just dropped.
>>537082213It was never going to do that before though
killed alot of goyssecured the existence of the state of Israelextended Lebanon into Greater IsraelGave Iran $300 billion +didn't lead to regime changedidn't lead to denuclerazation in Iranlead to all US bases being evacuated hought middle eastenriched Russian oligarchs thought lifting oil sanctionscompletely destroy US credibility forever and alienated all US allies.
Trump is an idiot who thought it would go down easy, the isralies probably buttered him up and told him it would. Thought the people would rise up and bring down the iranian government. But that didnt happen, trump being a retard didnt know about the whole stright of hormuz thing either and how its irans trump card to block it to cause an energy crisis.the jews, isralies, arent happy with golem because the golem wants to end the war instead of drafting young people to die in the mountains of iranso in the end its the same as obamas deal but with more money and jews mad because iran still exists
>>537081469Another good reason to send isreal money
>>537081469jewish supremacy in the world
Less terrorists in the world.
>>537082711>Another good reason to send isreal moneyIsrael will be merged with USDoD so we won't eve know how much we would be giving them as they would be part of US armed forces
>>537081469>What did Iran war achieve?Greater israel project is in full swing.Yay jews. They're our greatest ally.
>>537082771No, bombing nations tend to create more terrorists
>>537081469>What did Iran war achieve?Dow at 50,000, high inflation, and ridiculous prices.
>>537082771>Less terrorists in the world.Israel ended?
>>537081469It was the trigger for the end of the world. That is at least something.
>>537081469It showed the rest of the world that Jews and Israel are evil and they are willing to cause worldwide economic harm and food shortages to selfishly achieve their bizarre religious cult goals.
I am 100% for any form of bombing/killing third-worlders, whatever form that takes. Terrorists? Fine. Just generally unpalatable backwards goat fuckers? Fine too. Bomb them, take their stuff, all good. My only question (to which I cannot ever get an answer because half of the people who want to respond just are all "no, bombing bad!" and the other half are shitposters) is why the fuck am I supposed to be happy about a deal involving the Strait of Hormuz being open and investment going into the region? I want it closed, and I don't want money going to them. Let those fucking arabs pay for their own shit. Let Europe keep the Strait open and working and defended. They're the ones who need the fucking oil. Why am I paying for that?>>537082994>No, bombing nations tend to create more terroristsAll arabs are terrorists inherently. Anything they claim triggered them is just an excuse.
>>537081469A lot of needless death and suffering. Some may say the most needless suffering in the history of the world.
Dead school girls
>>537081469An Israeli victory. Iran had Israel by the balls and they decided to let go.
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>>537081469you lost tranny
>>537083251>Anything they claim triggered them is just an excuse.Funny, that's what most people are thinking about america.
>>537081469Peace.
>>537083437What part of "I'd be happy if every inch of the middle east was bombed into a radioactive wasteland" do you think doesn't include Israel, motherfucker?
>>537083487>Funny, that's what most people are thinking about america.I literally have never cared and will never care about what anyone thinks about America.
>>537083529>do you think doesn't include Israel,I don't believe you....
>>537083646That's because your entire life is a shitpost.
>>537083251Because you're a dumb zogged slave with zero power in the big scheme of things and your opinions doesn't matter at all
>>537081469Spending billions to solve a problem that didn't exist before the war started.
>>537081469It revealed that the US military is highly overrated and that America is controlled by Israel.
>>537081469craven miggers get the humiliation they secretly desire
>>537082213They're absolutely going to buy nukes from the black market, and you're retarded to think otherwise.
>>537081574This has been obvious to me since the 2000s, and I'm glad the cat is finally out of the bag
>>537081469They might sign a memorandum on Friday. A fucking memorandum. Trannies are afraid of memorandums.
>>537083690>A random drug mule from Colombia telling people "lol u hav no power"Ok Pedro. Very cool. Go get skinned alive in the street.
>>5370814692 dead Ayatollahs
>>537081469From DailyIranNews
>>537081469Peace in our time.
>>537081469dead iranians and dead israelis
>>537081574>Revealed US is a paper tiger and China owns the world now>US bombs a terrorist country, kills their leaders multiple times, and captures commie dictators>"OMG AMERIKKKA WARMONGER BOMBING FOR OIL EVIL NAZIS CONTROLLED BY JEWS">America bombs terrorists into signing a peace agreement and giving up their control-via-threat of the main oil pipeline to the world that EVERY COUNTRY THAT ISN'T AMERICA NEEDS.>"Lol America weak, useless, China really wins here lol won without doing anything". And yes, everyone ITT has said both of these things unironically.
>>537083458Judging by his flag, he won
Iran has been largely defanged. No navy left. No Air Force left. Total turnover in the chain of command. Honestly more destructive and embarrassing than Operation Praying Mantis was. We’ll be fucking them up again in another 40 years when they rebuild but that’s a problem for 2066.
>>537081469>iran completely and utterly defeated by every conceivable metric >israel proves more reliable than any NATO ally>peace guaranteed in the Middle East for the next 100 years (or until a dumbocrat seizes power)>trump cements his status as the president of peace >oil prices guaranteed to fall now >China thoroughly BTFO>America maintains its status as the strongest military on the planet >stock markets will hit unprecedented highs tomorrow
>>537083821>No regime change>Everyone that ran their country died horribly. Sure, I guess. Also in what sense did the US not achieve control of the Strait? It was blockaded and multiple ships running the blockade were seized.
>>537083978stfu eglin cuck
>>537083978What about that regime change?
>>537083945i thought the people doing the bombing were the terrorists. How do you know who is a terrorist and who isn't?
>>537083978>Iran has been largely defanged. No navy left. No Air Force left.Every single person in this thread will tell you that actually they have a huge army, navy, and air force plus nukes waiting in reserve and actually have not sustained any damage at all.
>>537081469It helped secure Iran as a regional power.
>>537081469Made a lot of trumps friends even richer
>>537083978>40 yearsWell that sounds like a couple trillion dollars spent on absolutely nothing
>>537083978As we all know, prior to this war, Iran was a mighty naval and air power. Famously.
>>537081469Let the Iranians know we can kill their heads of state anytime we want to. Go ahead, call us the great Satan again. I dare you.
>>537084086>How do you know who is a terrorist and who isn't?Are they brown and not American? Terrorist. This is not an exhaustive criteria, but it's pretty simple because when you're in the plane, and there's brown people down there on the ground, those are the terrorists and you bomb them.
>>537083978you are a fucking loser who defends a senile pedophile.
>>537081469
israel parading the fact that it utterly controls the U.S. and that they are proud of their genocide and openly now intend to try to expand to 'greater israel' with the blood and treasure of the U.S.
>>537084047Iran has already collected hundreds of million$ in fees.
>>537081469Laundered some shekels here and there.
>>537081469Dead Americans and higher prices
>>537084276>Iran has already collected hundreds of million$ in fees.Uh huh. I'm sure man. They'll be back up to fighting strength with a navy and fighter jets and all that shit soon, huh? Then maybe they can go back to randomly lobbing missiles at Dubai for some reason.
>>537084212As tiresome as the Jew shills are I would much rather be having this conversation with them (yes Iran actually did win) than any other outcome.
>>537081469One thing it achieved was that Iran's long planned strat for closing the Strait can effectively work as a deterrent and is now something they can leverage going forward.Trump could have prevented it to begin with but he plainly didn't sufficiently prepare for it and he did not have the will to risk challenging it either
>>537084358Go ahead and ask ChatGPT :)
The only thing this war demonstrated is that Europe and every other country is so fucking pussified that when literal terrorists extort them for money and threaten to destroy their ships that are transporting the majority of their oil, the only response they can come up with is "US! Please! We hate you but please help us, we can't and won't do anything about this!"
>>537084048Seethe harder kraut faggot.>>537084074Possible with boots on the ground but nobody gives a fuck to bother. Changing the retards in charge into someone who’s seen what we can do is enough.>>537084094The poltards contrarian nature never ceases to make them look retarded.>>537084160More like a few billion and that’s actually cheaper over a 40 year span than chasing down every terror cell they try to pop up in the meantime.>>537084174Kek. They pretended to be.>>537084212You are a faggot seething about burnt muzzie corpses. Islam is an abomination.
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>>537084391Yup, Iran's real "nuke" is closing the Strait and plunging the world into an energy crisis.
>>537084587Well. Parts of it. Not my part. Kek.
>>537084094Weren't you the ones sweating >>537084563We spent 2 trillion on Iraq over 9 years. And this is way more expensive.
>>537084587>us bases in turkmenistan, uzbekistan, tajikistan and kyrgyzstan
>>537084047>Also in what sense did the US not achieve control of the Strait?In the sense that traffic completely stopped for months because Iran was threatening it with drones and missiles. If the US definitively controlled it, why did Trump have to negotiate with Iran to open it?
>>537081574>Russian talking about paper tigersSo when are you going do defeat Ukraine?
>>537081469The usual. Muricca is an soulless subhuman shithole. They are the coward rabid hyena as always. But their stratediue is to kill civilans from remote, stir the fire and bring the nations against each other. They did it with Hitler - a gay austrian art painter - Zelynsky - a gay ukro prankster - and now with Iran. They will try to kill the leaders as much all of them are their agents. They are pretty good in it because lack of morale, the tiniest spark of remorse or self awareness and total submission to money aka moloch.
The war showed the Gulf states that US can't be relied on to protect them. Now that their bases in the region have been turned into parking lots, the US will retreat from West Asia.
>>537084686>In the sense that traffic completely stopped for months because Iran was threatening it with drones and missilesAs opposed to a blockade...which also prevented traffic from passing through.
>>537084693>The war showed the Gulf states that US can't be relied on to protect them.Good, we shouldn't be doing that. How about you fucking doing it, huh? You're the guys who need the oil.
>>537084671With way fewer losses. Just under 3500 dead in Iraq. 13 in Iran.
>>537084736
I DENOUNCE THE TALMUD, TORAH AND JUDAISM
>>537084690>t. Paki in krautsburgh
>>537084736Trump only put a blockade in place well after the fact, and the blockade obviously did not mean the US controlled it since it required a settlement to reopen it. Control is not all or nothing.
>>537084686So everyone can keep their insurance. Nobody going to want to cover a gorillion dollar oil tanker going through that.
it redpilled everyone globally on jews right after epstein reveals
>>537084848The Strait is open but we also need to negotiate with Iran to open the StraitMiggers are funny
>>537084840I accept your admission rabid subnigging UShitholer
>>537081469Obama's deal was just about nuclear. Trump's deal includes that they stop funding terrorism and stop missile development.
>>537081669you must be one of those pro NATO retarded secularists turks, russia can't afford to not win in ukraine it's a matter of national survival
>>537084953>Doesnt deny itMohammad was a fraud. Your religion is a lie. My people slaughtered your at them embassy kek
>>537082642their only chance to beat iran was betting that if they kill the 80yo beard man then the whole thing will just implode
>>537084996>. Trump's deal includes that they stop funding terrorism and stop missile development.HAHAHHAHAHH no it excludes both in the deal you retard.
>>537084894Yes, what 'control' means here is relative to your strategic aims. Iran sought to deter the US and to gain leverage by controlling traffic flow and it worked.
>>537084184but you are brown an unamerican dipshit, there's nothing more unamerican than being ruled by a small country across the ocean
>>537084996You niggers call anything you don't like terrorism. The word has lost all meaning. You can literally say they broke the deal whenever you want.
>>537081469There’s been plenty of realpolitik maneuvering behind the scenes, but not much visible change on the surface.All things considered:The United States failed in its clear goal of outright removing the Iranian regime and took were marginal loses.That said, it showed it can with functional impunity beat the hell out of its largest foreign rival outside of Russia and China. For any country, inflicting that level of damage at such low cost would be seen as an amazing trade.For Israel, the results were mixed. It earned further international backlash for how blatantly it tried to prolong the conflict by baiting Iran. It got somewhat cucked in Lebanon, and we’re likely seeing the early cracks in U.S. Israel relations. Still, it achieved most of its other strategic objectives, but clearly didn’t get its big ticket items.For Iran, it was a generally poor performance. Beyond its relentless propaganda claiming they’re “winning so hard” to roughly a dozen U.S. deaths, strikes on mostly irrelevant targets, gasoline prices back to roughly Biden-era levels, and only mild disruption to shipping.Its biggest “success” was simply not dying (yet.)Russia and China are probably the real losers. Once again, they failed to deliver anything of value for their client state. This will likely make other countries in their bloc outside of Belarus and North Korea who border them even more nervous about relying on them.
>>537085020Prove you are whjat i write in addition dumb as fuck because a subnigger like you fails in religion quiz.
>>537081469It opened the strait
>>537083945see you in a week when Israel violates it and we're back to the strait being closed and Orange Man jumping up and down like he has any power whatsoever.
>>537083751Bullshit. I was just at the black market, nobody had any nukes, not even for display.
>>537085143So you’re saying Islam isn’t a lie? But you’re totally not a pakrat right? Kek. Seriously it’s too easy with you retards. No wonder you fucks can’t beat the Indians.
>>537085040It literally doesn't you dumbfuck nigger worshiping retard.>"limits on missile production">"halt support for regional terrorist proxies"
>>537083500Lmao
>>537085182Can you list fixing something you caused as an accomplishment?
>>537083945Precisely.
>>537085119>strikes on mostly irrelevant targets,Iran's targeting strat was to generalize costs onto the region and, in turn, put pressure on the US. It was purposefully psychotic, in a sense >and only mild disruption to shippingI think 'mild' is an enormous understatementI think we should not fall into the trap of think the US and Iran were 'peer' combatants in a war where you can just tally up bare numbers and see who won. Both sides have very different strategic goals
>>537085240We have crossed many bridges, why would we not be able to cross other bridges? If you want to complain and stomp your feet all of the time, i suggest you get a bluesky account.
>>537085053Not really. A big part of Iran’s blockade was going to be demanding every ship passing through pay the regime. The Iranian position was >you shall not pass >unless you give me some money :)The US blockade was a response to A: The countries that would be allowed to pass without paying/or would pay the toll immediately would be our international rivals so fuck them B: To prevent normalizing paying the regime to go through the straight which the fact Europe is still pretty depending on Russian gas shows they most likely would go for it. The US blockade was more a counter play ot Iran then the big master plan.
>>537085182Reopened for the first time in history, a victory the likes of which have never been seen before.
>>537085587You should be careful not to underestimate what the all important aim of the Strait strat was (reestablishing deterrence and leverage) and the after-the-fact tolling tactic. Analysts and strategists knew the former was always the all important aim and threat, and the tolling was pretty much an auxiliary benefit of the de facto control they had which went unchallenged for several weeks. Yes, the blockade was to put pressure back on Iran and to counter the tolling regime (and should have been put in place at the start), but *control* matters in different senses here.
>>537085464At least on my personal life the impact has been pretty negotiable. Gas reached a high water mark of 4 dollars and change and mostly stayed at like 3.89 a gallon.Which if your biggest tactical success against the great Satan is gas slightly lower than it was under Biden congrats I guess?
That Israel is the actual leaders of America and can order America around like a dog on a leash.
>>537081469goyim are paying jews more money
>>537081469What it always has, an excuse to control oil prices and test out military tech every 10 years or so
>>537081469Preventing Mossad from releasing the Epstein files
>>537081943why don't they want me to know?
>>537081469idk its not over yet
>>537081469>trillions in profit from trading oil futures>use up old missile supply before they expire>huge profits to come in the upcoming famine>more land from lebanon
>>537085930If we judge by that metric, neither side achieved more than marginal success.Iran’s goal was to effectively shut down the strait both through the threat of attack and by making it clear that passage would only be granted to those on their friends list or willing to pay.The US blockade, by contrast, operated on the principle that Iran friendly nations or those who paid would not get through which also meant Iran’s shipping wasn’t going out either.It was the geopolitical equivalent of two guys holding up stops signs and stopping every car while both threaten they wont let anyone they don’t like through so nothing gets through.Iran’s only notable accomplishment was generating some short-term market turbulence. Even that was somewhat mixed US markets largely stayed in the green, and energy prices rose for a bit and then just stayed kind of volatile rather than the dramatic spike Iran had threatened of like 200 dollars a barrel oil or whatever it was they said would happen.
>>537085958It enormously disrupted the globe, so in that sense, it was not mild. And afaik you guys are experiencing Biden level inflation and gas prices which you would otherwise not be, and that's going to hurt Trump domestically just as it did Biden. But I think the mistake, again, is viewing Iran's strategy as trying to specifically hurt the US. No - closing the Strait was to generalize costs to everyone. So you have to look at what 'disruption' means in conjunction to both hurting the US economically, and the extent to which regional and global us allies also feel the hurt and, in turn, put pressure on Trump behind the scenes to go for a settlement. Think of this like this; if the Strait being closed was only mild, why would Trump exchange removing the blockade for reopening the Strait? If Trump wants to ensure the best maximum leverage on a possible deal with respect to their nuclear program, he would keep the blockade up, unless he was experiencing crazy political pressure to give that up
>>537086098 #Not a single person on this board knows what they're talking about. It's a bunch of retards pretending they are smart.
>>537086558
Iran has now degenerated into a cartel of the Revolutionary Guard. This country is now no different from ISIS. The US has completely destroyed Iran internally, at least in the form of an administrative system. Contrary to expectations, politics is important even in non-democratic countries like Iran. Paradoxically, the reason North Korea has not collapsed until now is that its internal administrative system has not crumbled.
>>537081574China earned it tbqh.
>>537086590>This country is now no different from ISIS.Oh goody. We created another ISIS. there's an accomplishment
>>537081469Trannies lost. Badly.
>>537081469You lost tranny
>>537086471>and by making it clear that passage would only be granted to those on their friends list or willing to pay.I think you are placing too much strategic emphasis on this latter post hoc tactic. If we look at principle aims, Iran's regime wanted to survive, and it predicted that shutting down the Strait would be its' best bet to reestablish deterrence and gain leverage. Iran wanted, more than anything else, a return to a status quo situation where the regime no longer felt as exposed to threats and it can began selling its' oil again and rebuilding Consider this; it's post hoc tolling regime did work as leverage, since it was able to trade that for getting rid of the blockade. It was the effective use of threatening maritime traffic and holding the world's energy hostage which is the serious new precedent to evaluate.
>>537086496While the disruption certainly carried real costs, I’d push back on the idea that it was enormously damaging on a global scale or that it inflicted damage similar to Trump as cost under Biden hurt Biden. The big issue the Biden admin had was that its policies were overtly in favor of increasing cost and keeping them rising. It really didn’t have anyway to tamp the break and didn’t really try until election season in 24. Trump has the issue of cost became volatile because of a very clear reason and within the US those cost had already started to die off when the ceasefires proved to at least mostly hold. Cost will probably begin to go down pretty immediately once everyone starts to return to normal and be viewed more as “shit was expensive a few months back.”Regarding leverage, Trump’s willingness to negotiate an exchange (removing the blockade for reopening) could simply reflect pragmatic dealmaking rather than overwhelming domestic pressures (some pressure definitely existed). If the economic pain were truly severe and widespread, we’d likely have seen clearer, sustained market breakdowns and stronger allied complaints. Keeping the straight open was good for everyone having it shit down was bad for everyone. Offering to remove the blockage to have the straight open again is functionally just asking to have a point of mutual pain removed.
>>537086839I have watched several lectures by South Korea's most famous expert on Islam, who has lived in Iran for a long time and has many Iranian friends and acquaintances, including a Ph.D. from Tehran University, the country's top university. He stated that Iran is currently in a state of complete internal chaos. Even though he is a scholar who is extremely critical of Israel and favorable toward Iran and Islam, he said that the situation Iran is currently facing is not optimistic at all. He emphasized that what is important is not what is visible, but that Iran's internal situation is chaos itself. Just as Mexico is run by cartels rather than the government, it is highly likely that Iran will be run by the Revolutionary Guard. Contrary to Western prejudice, Khamenei was actually someone who kept the Revolutionary Guard in check. The current situation, with Khamenei removed, might actually be worse for the West.
>>537087363I agree that afaik Trump is more insulated from the issue for Biden, but the longer it went on, the more perceptions would have gotten worse although I do not want to speak of US domestic politics since I don't live there.It was very globally disruptive; all the metrics I see confirm this although we have to disentangle 'disruption' from a 'worst case' scenario recession, which as time goes on enormous disruption will become worse and worse. We also talk a lot about energy but forget the serious fertilizer issue as well.I don't think Trump would be more pragmatically willing to give up a blockade in order to extract the best deal he could. Trump wanted a categorical win and was willing to threaten Iranian civilian infrastructure so the 'crazy bastards' would open the Strait>Keeping the straight open was good for everyone having it shit down was bad for everyone. Offering to remove the blockage to have the straight open again is functionally just asking to have a point of mutual pain removed.I just want to emphasize again that this what Iran's primary goal; to use the Strait as leverage to extract gains and to deter further conflict. The blockade definitively prevented Iran from having categorically leverage (imo Trump should have done the blockade to start with), but the strat worked fine for Iran for the time being and it can now more seriously threaten the Strait going forward
>>537087289As a deterrent, Iran’s strategy doesn’t really have much more room especially if the goal is to deter the complete removal of the regime. If the U.S. ever decided to go all-in on regime change instead of a pretty limited bombing campaign, Iran would be in serious trouble. Between its internal chaos which looks like a genuine clusterfuck and the constant risk of another blitz or fresh protests whether organic or not their wonder weapon of simply being a persistent nuisance isn’t nearly as powerful as they really need it to be.This isn’t even new behavior for them. Iran has been harassing shipping in the region since the 1980s. The current scale may be a step up, but it also looks like the most they were actually capable of doing.It’s like a boxing match where your opponent loves throwing heavy haymakers and body blows, while your entire game plan is repetitive right hand jabs to the midsection. He’s already landed several clean shots, and you’re tasting blood with blurry vision in round two. Sure, if you could keep jabbing him for another six rounds he might eventually wear down but right now, you’re the one who looks like he’s about to drop.
>>537081469Some entertaining vids of shitrael getting rekt.
>>537081469>What did Iran war achieve?We return to status quo of 10-20 yrs, except this time if they don't honor their agreements, they get blown up and blockaded, instead of just sanctioned and denounced.>>537081669>It's taking Putin 5 years to figure out that he can't win against Ukraine.Why do people think he is trying to "win" in Ukraine? He keeps the pressure to drain the economies trying to defend it. Under Biden it was the USA but, now it's EU being bled dry. Notice how the EU still isn't even trying to end the war? There is no way Putin leaves voluntarily without getting some territory, probably as much of Donbas as he could get. That would be a political disaster for any EU leader trying to win re-election. No, these idiots will keep funding the war until Ukrainians go extinct. They look so much better politically to stand in the face of the babayaga than to end the war and give up even one acre of land.I really feel bad for Ukrainians because most don't even give a fuck about Donbas at this point. It would be like Trump sending troops to their deaths to defend southern Arizona from an overwhelming Mexican army that wants to reclaim it.
>>537088123It's not to merely deter regime change but deter future threats generally. Iran changed their security doctrine in January where they shifted from a proportional posture to a posture of escalation and preemption, which Iran watchers and analysts I read at the time said that the regime has shifted to fixating on reestablishing deterrence. People don't appreciate that Iran was quite prepared for what is happening right now, especially evident by the extent to which they overhauled their command structure as well so they could escalate broadly and close the StraitAll-in regime change, as in an invasion, is obviously a whole different ballpark. I consider this to be quite unrealistic at the moment; Iran knows how very politically unwilling the US would be to go for another middle east quagmire, so that's more an edge case hypothetical in their thinking. What they're more concerned about is strikes, barrages, air campaigns, etc.Iran has done this before yeah, but this is the most intense they've done in decades. Your boxing analogy is fine and I see as applicable to Iran's successful strat; if he's able to increase cost and endure, and convince others to be less likely to fuck with him in the future, then he's accomplished his goals. Of course it comes at a high price, but I hope you can see that each sides' strategic goal is a lot different
>>537088081That’s where I think you’re making a bit of a miscalculation. Trump’s approach to diplomacy is to open with the most extreme, unfavorable position possible for the other side, then negotiate back from there. The key element here is the THREAT to target civilian infrastructure. If it had actually happened, it would have been a propaganda gift to the Iranian regime the more dead civilians, the better for their narrative.But it’s important to keep Iran’s own style and context in mind. Remember last year’s twelve day slap fight. Iran was publicly promising apocalyptic attacks “the world would remember for centuries,” yet what they delivered were increasingly limited and ineffective strikes. All while denying they were in talks even as their diplomatic plane sat visible on flight trackers.Iran functionally negotiates like a bitchy tsundere because they have little choice. The regime’s entire survival depends on projecting strength and maintaining control. They must appear uncompromising and powerful in public, even when they’re far more pragmatic behind closed doors. So the game becomes talk publicly like you’re about to glass the entire region, while privately working out a deal to reopen the Strait and de-escalate.Right now, Iranian state media is flooded with absurd claims that they got everything they wanted, achieved a massive victory, and that the US only hit wooden decoys of wooden decoys and nothing was damaged. They have to talk like that. Authoritarian regimes can’t afford to sound reasonable or admit weakness even briefly because the illusion of total strength is what keeps the system intact.
>>537081574fpbpGlory to Xi.Glory to China.Fuck the amerigolem.Fuck the kikes.
>>537081469It drained global oil reserves and made everyone realize that maybe they should diversify their energy infrastructure a bit. It should also have made everyone understand that strength is the only thing that matters and that the "rule based international order" was always bullshit and only existed because USA was strong enough to enforce it.
>>537088962Trump's a fucking retard who started a war and achieved nothing, lmao.>The key element here is the THREAT to target civilian infrastructure.mutts blew up plenty of civilian infrastructure you lying parasiteTOTAL MUTT DEFEAT
>>537088962I think the extent to which Trump was willing to publicly go on like that publicly, and the extent to how angry he's gotten at Bibi for potentially fucking up the deal, is all evidence of his concern about reopening the Strait. I do believe that, when push comes to shove, he would not have wanted to escalate the campaign, and Iran called this bluff to an extent I believe Trump's desire for a preferable deal (to be able to say he made the best deal possible) would have overwhelmed giving up the leverage of the blockade unless the cost of the Strait closure was high enough to force him to step back from the best possible deal. I agree with everything you're saying about Iran there - they want to project strength and maintain control, both internally and externally, whether real or unreal. And they are largely lying, of course, as well. But, I also think Trump has, in many respects, successfully reinforced that goal.I have work to do so I'm not sure if I can continue this but I appreciate the reasonable conversation
>>537089483Oh yeah the whole operation on was pretty clearly >blow up leadership >blow up military until it fucks off >regime change And we got stuck at blow up military until it fucks off and then things turned into negotiate and try to further defang where possible while trying to negotiate.You have a good work day anon.
>>537081469>JewsCOOKED
>>537084912He got an even bigger deal what's the problem?
