Why haven't you read at least 50 pieces of great western literature?
Boring and a waste of time. I would rather watch videos summarizing literature.
>>537106275Those two are Russian, not Western. And I am sure I read at least 50 western pieces.
>>537106275I read some of their books. Boring dicksuckers.
>>537106275It's just intellectual innit Climbing a tree builds 100x more healthy neurons than reading a busted old book written by somebody who didn't even know how to operate a toaster
The last thing I really read entirely was the Wheel of Time series last year.
>>537106275Most retards with below 120 IQ don't understand the benefits of readingIt's like asking a fat dysgenic faggot to exercise or eat a balanced diet
>>537106462Faggot
I have. Mostly french and english since they're the best.>russian literatureIt bores me. It's depressing. Gogol being the sole exception I encountered so far.
interesting how many non-American flags this topic attracts
>>537106794>>russian literature>It bores me. It's depressing.Same. Tolstoi was so tiresome I forgot what I was reading while reading.> Gogol being the sole exception Will check that out. Thx.
>>537106275I read Mein Kampf and the Torah.Then the Bible and the Quran.Then I read Reader's Digest and the BET magazine.What more do you want?
>>537106275I fucking can't read. My iq is around 60 or 80.>>537106456Dude, all famous old ru literally are western.Ru literally is Pelevin or patriotic monarchists usssr put n literature
>>537106794>depressingIt's literally about average day in Russia.I don't joke. That's how they life
>>537107286I'd recommend Dead Souls, The Overcoat, and The Nose. Viy too, but if you don't want to read it there's a surprisingly nice 1967 soviet adaptation.I haven't dabbed much into german literature, outside of Goethe, Jean Paul Richter. I'm more into austrian 20th century writers.Any good german classics you'd recommend? Nothing too dramatic, please, I'm a light-hearted man.
>tolstgoy>great literaturepick one
>>537107631Tolstoy was the BLM activist of his time. No idea why westerners think he is a good writer.
>WesternThose are both russians and both primarily wrote about how Western technology and cultural Export was making Russia feel insecure and lost.
>>537107541> Any good german classics you'd recommend? Nothing too dramatic, please, I'm a light-hearted man.Problem with German stuff is it's either pointless and empty, or they give you the full blast. There's not much in between. I hate most of it, although I'm not sure if it's because it's really that bad, or maybe because they blacklisted the good stuff after WW2, or because they tortured us too much with German literature in school I only remember about Schiller that I had to get up early in the morning and didn't prepare the asignment. So I'm mostly avoiding it. Ernst Jünger maybe and then there's Spengler's Downfall, which is a breathtaking and dramatic overkill, but also rather impressive. A surprising exception from the usual was Das Parfum by Süskind, but it's more about 18th century Paris than anything else. Hermann Hesse's Der Steppenwolf is on my reading list after AI insisted on me liking it, although Hesse is on my personal blacklist for having annoyed me with Siddhartha.There's also an entire genre of Eastern German dissident literature. No idea how good it is, some swear on it. Uwe Temkamp's Der Turm is perhaps the most prominent example of the genre (Telkamp is an AfD conservative, so no marxist BS). But I have the suspicion the Czechs and Russians may have produced more interesting stuff in and about that era.
>>537108180>Ernst JüngerCome the fuck on... Unless you are thinking about some of his later works
>>537106275who says we haven't pajeet? Stopping making assumptions just because you so badly want your stereotype to be true.And yes you will be going back.
>>537108180>Ernst Jünger maybe and then there's Spengler's Downfall, which is a breathtaking and dramatic overkill, but also rather impressive. A surprising exception from the usual was Das Parfum by Süskind, but it's more about 18th century Paris than anything else. Hermann Hesse's Der Steppenwolf is on my reading list after AI insisted on me liking it, although Hesse is on my personal blacklist for having annoyed me with Siddhartha.I've read books from them all. Well, only part of Spengler's Decline of the West because the french translation is famous for being absolutely unreadable.No memories of Das Parfum since it was mandatory school reading. Hesse is, well, not that interesting outside of Steppenwolf. I gave away my copies of Narcissus & Goldmund and Demian because it was, indeed, very pointless. >Uwe Temkamp's Der TurmThanks, I'll try it out.
>>537106275And, what do you consider "great western literature"? Das Kapital?
>>537106794>>537107286filtered fags who need feel-good bedtime stories
>>537106275way ahead of you
>>537107453Fuckup memeflag kike
>>537106275Who says i havent?
Yeah I read. Only the finest.
>>537106275I've read Harry Potter 1-7 eight times. I'm all set, chief.
>>537106275
>>537111060but did you read 50 shades of incompetence at bdsm, or the teenage sparkling vampires?
Rading Brothers Karamazov (third re-read) and War & Peace right now. Should have Brothers K finished this weekend, was too anxious for W&P to wait. Probably going to read Anna next.
>>537106275Because feeding on other men’s ideas is gay and beta coded. Also last time i read Nietzsche i was livid the whole time because he wouldn’t stop whining.
>>537106275I already know how to read? And I already know what they're trying to tell me? And I'm not bored enough to start reading again
>>537106275most writers are incredibly annoying.either self inserting, self masturbatory or plainly uninteresting. the time wasted on reading books only to find maybe 1 in a 100 worthwhile? fuck that. also one has the risk to take over thoughts presented in those books, instead of coming to conclusions yourself in life. maybe i've been reading the wrong things, but i'm extremely reluctant to pick up a book of fiction these days.language as a whole is deemd to valuable in this era. a veil to hide mediocrity, or for clowns to entertain.
>>537106275I have, included both in the pic. I'm actually a /lit/izan; I just come here to shitpost. Dosto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TolstoyI love demons.
Their books are just land owners and military officers getting drunk, shooting each other and fucking each other's wives. Fetishization of the elite.
>>53710627550? those are rookie numbers
>>537106528yeah i worked through that a couple years back. not bad really. they made a TV series of it but i never saw it. what you reading now? i love Colin Thubron travel books, they're great if you have an interest in china, russia and the silk road. reading the autobio by the guy who wrote the code for the apollo lunar lander computer.
>>537114524>they made a TV series of it but i never saw itYou're better off, it was criminally bad.>what you reading now?Nothing, unfortunately. I've been preoccupied these last few months and end up bouncing between books without getting stuck into any. Figured I'd go through religious texts while I was at it which went even worse. >Colin ThubronI'll take your recommendation though, thank you. I haven't tried travel books.
>>537106275Knowledge is baggage it would be better to be a nigger savage in nature
>>537106275The only things you need to read is pre Christcuck Greco and Romans stuff , everything after is just garbage polluted with Abrahamic shit
>>537115690>it was criminally bad.seems to be the default lol>Figured I'd go through religious texts while I was at it which went even worse. Well, so far as the Bible goes, John is a great way to take a peek into the NT>I haven't tried travel books.he manages to take travel writing to a higher level somehow. just finished 'To a mountain in tibet' where he treks to Kailash and he really gets into all the religion and myth of it all which was interesting. i reread 'shadow of the silk road' (which is especially meaningful to me because ive been through all those palces several times) and his one about being in russia every year. theres a superb audio book of shadow of the silk road btw if thats useful to you. enjoy!
>>537106275Why would I read the ramblings of some old dementic faggot?
>>537116057Nobody forces you to read Trump's twitter
>>537116057because being aged, insane and sexually perverted are of themselves no barrier to being either interesting or correct.
>>537106275I like story telling. I do not enjoy descriptive ramblings that go on forever. I also don't like reading as some sort of path to being seen as some smart person. Just because you read a lot doesn't make you intelligent and just because you can regurgitate the ideas of others doesn't make you interesting either. now go back and farm for more points because you shouldn't seek validation from others if you actually knew anything about life.
>>537106275Shouldn't you be reading more Bollywood trash? Like how India defeated England.
>>537106275/pol niggers only read national-socialist, liberal, conservative or commie slop, nothing beyond this...
>>537106604Reading don't makes you intelligent and even less wise, honestly people who read DC or Marvel goycattle comics seems to have more value and virtue than the average nationalist or communist
>>537106275I read Faust, Paradise Lost, the Divine Comedy, Crime and Punishment, Master and Margarita, Revolt of the Angels and Huysman's "La Bas"But I'd rather re-read Poe, C.A. Smith, Howard, Blackwood, Bierce or Lovecraft Or something by Jünger, Nietzsche, Spengler, Jung or Heidegger Baudelaire is pretty good
>>537121025>HowardBased.
>>537106275ITT: niggers
>>537121077Can you rec me some Gogol?
>>537108392"Grapes of Wrath" by John Steinbeck
>>537121199Really the ones I posted here >>537107541I like Gogol because he uses intrusion of supernatural elements and is somewhat humouros. Well, for a russian writer anyway.
>>537106275I’ve read at least 50 issues of Nintendo power
>>537108180Steppenwolf needs to be read at a certain age, otherwise it will be cringe, even if you read it male-coded. Similar to Unterm Rad which has to be read when you are in school, even just to learn what level of intellectualness we have lost after letting 2 totalitarian systems pass through (and approaching the 3rd).I read Siddharta at 20, it is just western-self-indulgent PoV. Back then it left an (unfair, for their intellectual achievements) bad mark on buddhism for me because I learned from it their founder left his baby boy to decide that the world is shit and everything you can do is escape, instead of making it better for everyone. Hesse went to India for real only later and was just disappointed. Hesse deserved his Nobel Prize though for Das Glasperlenspiel, Narziss & Goldmund and Die Morgenlandfahrt.
>>537107286Redpill me on Goethe. I can speak German fluently but am having a hard time getting through Die Leiden des jungen Werther. Maybe my German just isn’t good enough for this one. Should I just skip to Faust?
>reading an entire russian noveli only have one life
I read over 50 pages of western literature just yesterday anon.
>>537121682Cover thy spacious heavens, Zeus,With clouds of mist,And like the boy who lopsThe thistles' heads,Disport with oaks and mountain-peaks;Yet thou must leaveMy earth still standing;My cottage, too, which was not raised by thee;Leave me my hearth,Whose kindly glowBy thee is envied.I know nought poorerUnder the sun, than ye gods!Ye nourish painfully,With sacrificesAnd votive prayers,Your majesty;Ye would e'en starve,If children and beggarsWere not trusting fools.While yet a child,And ignorant of life,I turned my wandering gazeUp toward the sun, as if with himThere were an ear to hear my wailings,A heart, like mine,To feel compassion for distress.Who helped meAgainst the Titans' insolence?Who rescued me from certain death,From slavery?Didst thou not do all this thyself,My sacred glowing heart?And glowedst, young and good,Deceived with grateful thanksTo yonder slumbering one?I honour thee, and why?Hast thou e'er lightened the sorrowsOf the heavy laden?Hast thou e'er dried up the tearsOf the anguish-stricken?Was I not fashioned to be a manBy omnipotent Time,And by eternal Fate,Masters of me and thee?Didst thou e'er fancyThat life I should learn to hate,And fly to deserts,Because not allMy blossoming dreams grew ripe?Here sit I, forming mortalsAfter my image;A race resembling me,To suffer, to weep,To enjoy, to be glad,And thee to scorn,As I!
>>537121451Are you familiar with Friedrich Dürrenmatt and his "The Judge and his Hangman"?It's a pretty good read
>>537121934lil willy
>>537121199Gogol experimented a lot with different styles and some books did better than others. Also he went through a hardcore religious phase by the end of his life and his writing changed considerably. Dead Souls is his most well known work but it's unfinished and the first and second parts were written pre and post spiritual awakening respectively, so it's kind of messy. If you're not into russian realism you may find it boring and it's humor a bit dry.The Nose is kind of boring, and the Overcoat straight up depressing. Nevsky Prospekt and Vyi are pretty good, and if you're into epic, try Taras Bulba.
>>537106456Aren't the Ural Mountains the line of division? Like 95% of mainland Europe is in the Eastern Hemisphere but nobody considers it the "Eastern World". Or Western Africa part of the Western World.
>>537106407that's right goy let me read it for you and tell you what it says
>>537122029Never heard of the writer or his novel, but I'll grab a copy if you think it's worth reading, especially since it's been translated in french.Recently I've read "Every Man a Murderer" y Heimito von Doderer, but didn't enjoy it.
>>537112860A lot of literature can be transformative in a good way. German speakers realized this long ago. Good literature will e.g. teach you to perceive beauty for real, which elevates your soul. Some of it is written for your benefit, not for theirs (won't give a hint but you will find it if you should). But yes, such is difficult to find among self-indulgent pieces. Also lots of esteemed long-form writers, particularly modern are severely depressed and sarcastic and you really don't want to adopt their mindset by spending 50h plus inside it. No nobel prize candidate, and I might be missing out, but I e.g. stay away from Pratchett just because every big fan I met so far had a kinda narrow mind permanently putting down everything and everyone around them. Books by people who *did* something - autobiographical works by scientists and engineers, actual perceptive and open-minded and non-self-indulgent travel literature (7 years in Tibet and similar early 20th century Asia travels) will be quite inspiring though.
>>537122205He's the swiss dude who wrote "The Physicists"
>>537106275I have, I've been almost exclusively reading from Easton Press's Greatest Books series for the last several years now. It's refreshing to see people in print call out jews at every turn and call niggers niggers without hesitation
bump!!!! finally some /lit/cels visit us! welcome! have a seat, please recommend us more books, il have Jennifer bring the tea once shes back from ther wild adventures, ohh that silly girl just enjoys jumping off tall buildings, you are going to love her
>>537115974It wasn't just criminally bad. It was made by Amazon. I could say a lot, but I'll just leave a picture of what they made Loial look like right here. It says more than I could ever say.
>>537121796you're missing out
>>537122352I'm afraid I've never heard of "The Physicists" either.The only Swiss writer that I've ever read (beside Rousseau) is Ramuz.
>>537122415lol. the usual kaleidoscopic diversity shitshow.
>>537122566Dumas is fire desu Do you get Karl May in french?
>>537111166i genuinely cannot fathom how anyone can read this boring shite. i tried reading some esteemed writers back in the day, however, i physically couldn't stop myself from falling asleep. nowadays i exclusively read space-shit and sword-shit. it may not be intellectually stimulating, but at least I'm not supremely bored.
>>537121682Skip to Faust, and don't get distracted by the superficial school level interpretations. It has been in the school canon forever in Germany, to the point that even average Germans of every adult age can recite whole sections. Faust has now been taken out of the reading canon in several states to not hurt some feelings. Good time to double down.
>>537121934Schön. >>537123196>>537122447I did not know anything about Goethe asides from there being statues of him in Leipzig and learned he is a prominent German author. I started learning German when I was 18 because I met a German girl who is now my wife and her family do not speak English as they grew up in the DDR. I feel like it would be a disservice to read Goethe in English, but I cannot read it without pausing for translation and therefore cannot get lost in the story. I recently saw the Goethe movie while flying from German which sparked my interest in learning about his works on science and literature. TLDR despite being able to speak and understand conversational German, I can only comprehend German kids literature like momo
>>537122967>it may not be intellectually stimulatingExcuse me? Edgar Allen Poes "The Unparalleled Adventure of one Hans Pfaal" or Jules Vernes "From the Earth to the Moon" are GOATed and last time I looked LotR was still considered a titan of western literature Sci-Fi and Fantasy are the white man's literary genre
>>537123276Read "Faust" in german It's gonna blow your mind
>>537123512oh yeah? then tell that to the book snobs who still think genre fiction is lowbrow
>>537122936According to wikipedia, his works were more adapted and abridged in french than properly translated. Which would be his best work, according to you?
>>537106275Why are you using such arbitrary numbers?
>>537123599I’ll give it a go. Ordering it now. Even if I can never understand it, my kids should be able to and it will be a good book for them to read when they’re older.
>>537123512>Sci-Fi and Fantasy are the white man's literary genreits what i tend to read most of. some of it is pretty trashy but then again reading is also useful as escapism
>>537123716The Orient Cycle in particular, "Through Wild Kurdistan" is a good start>>537123697Fuck 'em I'm out here reading ghost stories and pulp novels, not giving a fuck>>537123875>Even if I can never understand itBullshit It's timeless, you can do it
>>537123276I cross-checked an English translation of Faust and feel the rhythmical clarity gets lost. Even in simple passages: DER HERR:Kennst du den Faust?Mephistopheles:Den Doktor?DER HERR:Meinen Knecht!vs.THE LORDKnow’st Faust?MEPHISTOPHELESThe Doctor Faust?THE LORDMy servant, he!The German version, you just want to read out loud because of the way it sounds. Maybe it sounds just right in English but I have doubts.It also seems to add things that weren't in the original, e.g. already in the Nacht / Night passage. Not sure whether it is good for understanding but it feels like interpretation and this is not good for books of this kind.Recommendation: Read it with a good "translate this as accurately as possible" prompt with LLM translations. A few internationals me who are annoyed by inaccurate German to English translations read high german philosophy now in this way.I think Momo is one of the best books you can ever read btw. Also GDR women are based
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>>537124261Thanks, I'll give it a try.
I have. Its all worthless jewslop. Reading will get you nowhere
>>537124406>Maybe it sounds just right in English but I have doubts.that little interaction sounds pretty good to me, but i expect its like reading shakespere in translation or something.
>>537106275I cant read you insensitive faggot
>>537106275I have though. Including Russian philosophy debates that span 100's of pages but can be summed up in 2 sentences
>>537106275I'm lazy, and I get no satisfaction from it. I've started so many books, trying to civilize myself, but I rarely persist to the end.
>>537124406>The German version, you just want to read out loud because of the way it soundsYou can tell it was written for the stage. 200+ years old btw, Goethe was cooking
>>537107631>>537107668..It's for you
>>537124843can you give me some reasons to read "Revolt of the Angels" and "La Bas"?
>>537121934We had to learn to recite this one in school. Not long ago. nice one. I remember the most christian girl in our school did it bestBedecke deinen Himmel, Zeus,Mit WolkendunstUnd übe, dem Knaben gleich,Der Disteln köpft,An Eichen dich und Bergeshöhn;Mußt mir meine ErdeDoch lassen stehnUnd meine Hütte,die du nicht gebaut,Und meinen Herd,Um dessen GlutDu mich beneidest.Ich kenne nichts ÄrmeresUnter der Sonn als euch, Götter!Ihr nähret kümmerlichVon OpfersteuernUnd GebetshauchEure MajestätUnd darbtet, wärenNicht Kinder und BettlerHoffnungsvolle Toren.Da ich ein Kind war,Nicht wußte, wo aus noch ein,Kehrt ich mein verirrtes AugeZur Sonne, als wenn drüber warEin Ohr, zu hören meine Klage,Ein Herz wie meins,Sich des Bedrängten zu erbarmen.Wer half mir widerder Titanen Übermut?Wer rettete vom Tode mich,Von Sklaverei?Hast du nicht alles selbst vollendet,Heilig glühend Herz?Und glühtest jung und gut,Betrogen, RettungsdankDem Schlafenden da droben?Ich dich ehren? Wofür?Hast du die Schmerzen gelindertJe des Beladenen?Hast du die Tränen gestilletJe des Geängsteten?Hat nicht mich zum Manne geschmiedetDie allmächtige ZeitUnd das ewige Schicksal,Meine Herrn und deine?Wähntest du etwa,Ich sollte das Leben hassen,In Wüsten fliehen,Weil nicht alle KnabenmorgenBlütenträume reiften?Hier sitz ich, forme MenschenNach meinem Bilde,Ein Geschlecht, das mir gleich sei,Zu leiden, zu weinen,Zu genießen und zu freuen sich,Und dein nicht zu achten,Wie ich!
>>537125127Because it's KINOAbsolute Cinema
>>537125458Prometheus ist mein ungeschlagener Favorit Better than Carducci and Baudelaire even
>>537106275Name ten books.
The problem with Germany is that we're the Euro kings. We embody the naivety of Scandis but are also earthier like the French. We have a little Balkan nigger in us but don't chimpout like them. Highly individualistic but in need for a good leader. Which is why we were always fractured.This internal struggle makes the whole endeavour of art so much harder.Karl May is gay af. The guy embodied our inner faggot. Larpy, pie in the sky, christian doofus. You're getting dumber by reading this. Instead, read his inspirations Möllhausen and Gerstäcker.Some people here now warrior poet Kurt Eggers. "Und wer in den Tälern dem Untergang entrinnen will, der macht sich auf, den Berg der Freiheit zu ersteigen. So ist das Feuer das Zeichen derer, die in Freiheit wachen und das Schwert nicht aus der Hand legen. Feuer ist der Feind alles Schwachen, es brennt alle Spreu, alles Morsche auf, um das Edle um so fester zu binden.Im Feuer, das das Leben weckt und erhält, schmieden die Einsamen ihr Schwert, das sie als Krieger bis an das Ende ihrerTage tragen.Und das Eisen, das dort im Feuer gehärtet wird, ist die beste Gabe, die der tiefe geheimnisvolle Schoß der Erde birgt.So findet sich im Schwerte alles Hohe, was Erde und Ewigkeit zu geben haben, Eisen und Feuer, Willen, Wachsein undBereitschaft.Nur den Einsamen aber ist das Schwert Offenbarung. Den Menschen der Täler ist es grauenumwittertes Geheimnis."Shoutout also to Bruno Frank.
>>537106275But I have. At least 50 Ikea catalogues.
>>537126096Maybe Kurt Eggers is more "based and redpilled", but if Hitler had a great time reading Karl May then it's certainly good enough for me
>>537106275>wordslopI have videogames, pornography, 4chan and youtube available to waste my time. its not the 1800s anymore>b-b-but you arent le cultured and le intellectualabsolutely no one gives a shit how "worldly" you are. No foid on earth is giving you pussy because you forced yourself to read dostoevsky and pretended it was deep.
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>>537106275That won't make me moneyMoney is all that matters
>>537106275I only need one book: Mein Kampf
>>537126453Don't forget our good Führer did represent the best and worst of us. He believed in globohomo history and the rustic, backwards Germanic invader and he appealed to the ratio and decency of the Anglo elite. A great man but not perfect.
>>537106604>a midwit who thinks reading will save himmy favorite is when some faggot blowhard is reciting something he read from someone he views as brilliant and i just casually dismantle it with the same amount of brainpower i use to work the microwave
>>537111107I don't think someone born in the same country as Kafka can talk about literature.Fucking piece of shit. Literally only popular because it was spammed by jews as a joke.
>>537127528wrong
