Engels wrote a book, the Conditions of the English Working Class. In the chapter on immigration Engels says immigration functions to raise rent and lower wages and make the working class aliens in their own communities. That itself is a major economic fallacy. But look at the even bigger picture. Mass immigration isn't even caused by capitalism it comes from communism and communism was a major movement at the time that played a role in the immigrant crisis. Engels intentionally overlooks the damage it is already causing just to blame capitalism. Communism basically shits the bed and then says communism is needed to fix it. This is the exact same cycle to Obama fucking up the country and then blaming it all on Trump and "capitalism"
>Posted it again awardGo back to leftypol faggot
>>537112077I'd take failing communism over Jewish capitalism.Total kike deathTotal migger death
>>537112162Memeflaggot esl or bot
>>537112185Because you are a failure, your parents are ashamed of you, and you will never reproduce
>>537112267I make more money than you though, migger kike lover.
>>537112292My family owns multiple properties and a business which I am the assistant manager for
>>537112361So you were born into wealth? Not something to be proud of. Most people like you are completely incapable of producing anything of societal value and just grift off the system.
>>537112411Aw sorry, did I have an actual family that works hard and values success instead of a lazy deadbeat family like yours? You must be do proud
>>537112492Yes, your family may have worked hard. As indicated it doesn't represent you, and if anything projects a grim depiction of you, as is usually the case in America. Enjoy your grifting while you can I guess.
>>537112077Yeah. Problem reaction solution. Jew generational game plan.
>>537112077>Mass immigration isn't even caused by capitalismWho bombs the countries they're fleeing from and under what incentive? Fucking retard> it comes from communism and communism was a major movement at the time that played a role in the immigrant crisisWhat communist country (they don't exist) toppled Assad to place a puppet in place? You're fucking stupid and a cuck for simping for the owner class
>>537112077It will fail because it was thought up by freeloading retards before trucks were even invented.
>>537112789Immigration in 1800's England had nothing to with assad you esl retard
>mass immigration doesn't come from capitalismwew lad, liberals compartmentalizing externalities moment
>>537112077>The simple reason why communism will continue to fail"Eventually, you run out of other people's money."
>>537112077>>Mass immigration isn't even caused by capitalism
>>537112077retard takeHow did you make the jump from capitalist oligarch Musk demanding more immigration to "mass immigration comes from communism"? Brain damage from all the psychiatric drugs your pharma megacorpos forced on you as a child?
>>537112789>Who bombs the countries they're fleeing fromwestern countries that have been subverted by communist politics your country is the best example you can even name them...the fabian soceity. every prominent labour member and all labour prime ministers are fabianstheir method is to lie and undermine democracy
>>537112077>>537114202this
>>537112077Capitalism is what encourages useless and unjust conflict, it enriches all those who benefit from the industrial war machine.This creates refugees which are imported into the war-causing country due to pity and and encouragement by the ruling class as they benefit from cheap labor. Everything revolves around the rich getting richer, at the cost of everything including the nations blood. You are greatly mistaken.
>>537116313I was thirteen once too
>>537116731>can't argue properly so he resorts to random insultswhy are rightoids like this
Communism works. IT took some third world medieval shitholes and made a huge empire and superpower out of them: USSR.It was peaceful until the capitalists attacked them, then they had to spend a lot money in military to defend against capitalism,And yet it works.USSR was magnificent.China is the number 1 economy of the world.Vietnam grows at 8% per year.North Korea keeps growing more and more, with its capital full of skyscrapers and it's a nuclear power.>>537114161>"Eventually, you run out of other people's money."USSR bankrupted the USA back in the 70s. Then Nixon had to say live on TV that the US had no dollars and that they would create fake dollars out of nowhere with petro oil, and would defend these fake dollars with their aircraft carriers.Since then, American daily life has gotten worse for the majority of people.Americans are indebted and sick, waging wars all around the world defending their fake money,.It will all come to crash in less than 10 years.
>>537112185Nice try fucking kike Satan! It is (((YOU))) who is engineering capitalism's failure!
>>537114994>it wasn't REAL communism!
>>537112077>immigration functions to raise rent and lower wages and make the working class aliens in their own communities.>That itself is a major economic fallacydo you even know what a fallacy is?
>>537118297Have you ever taken a single class in economists or read a book on it? Every orthodox economist explains why this is wrong
>>537112077>reason whyIt might be a Spanish-majority country now, but their English should be better than this.
>>537118374all of those statements are objectively truebut before we talk about that, I'd love you to explain how you came to believe they were fallacious
Leftism is dead. Modern "leftism" is literally just useful idiots for liberals. "We need mass migration! We need to worship faggots and niggers!" literally enforcing corporate wishlists. China even isn't fully leftist because leftism is a pipe dream by a schizophrenic and lazy jew.
>>537116832The jews gave up on communism with the Trotsky/Stalin split. They love capitalism.There's only one truly gentile system that truly scares kikes...
>>537112077Communism is just anarchism but even more retarded somehow
>>537112589You know...it used to be everyone had a family business and it was GOOD.Seethe harder. Then start one so that a faggot like you can rage in thirty years at your son for continuing it instead of taking a globohomo job.
>>537118443I have read serious economists like Friedman and Sowell and I minored in economics in school and aced it
>>537112077>communist writes immigration bad>retarded American: "THIS MEANS IMMIGRATION IS COMMUNISM"
>>537118800>it wasn't REAL communism!!
>>537112077> Mass immigration isn't even caused by capitalism it comes from communismYeah eastern Europe was a complete mix of mystery meat with migration in the 1920s and 30s. You must be a halfnigger.
>>537118858you're malfunctioning. give me the email address of your programmer
>>537116804>Communism works.>IT took some third world medieval shitholes and made a huge empire and superpower out of them: USSR.Russia was 3rd country in Europe by industrial output and it's peasants owned 90% of arable land in Russia. Surely not a medieval shithole.Communist need to make outrageous blatant lies to prove their point, it's all you need to know about communism.
>>537118779brilliant, then surely you can explain to me a single fallacy in a single one of these (objectively true) statements that you (erroneously) called fallacious:>immigration functions to raise rent>immigration functions to lower wages>immigration make the working class aliens in their own communities
>>537119269Both Russia and China were prosperous prior to communism. They were advanced. Communism fucked their whole civilizations up
>>537112077In Engels day communism meant something different from the socialist movements that Lenin and such started. Engels and marx didn't like immigration, but advocated for the working class to become conscious to class struggles within their respective countries or nations so that a global movement could start to be ready when capitalism starts to fracture. But they both argued that immigration was a capitalist scheme to fight back agaisnt this class consciousness. It's like how the Roman's would mix and match their captive slaves so they wouldn't organize.
>>537112077What a retarded post
>>537119319Immigrants ultimately bolster the economy which spurs job and housing growth and community integration
>>537112077I prefer Marx.
>>537112077The reason is because you need to reach adulthood to realize the historical good guy has always been the spanish empire.Their total plan of world salvation: Absolute angloyid, kike and muzzie genocide and force civilization
Also because rich Jews control politics and put up fake elections.
>>537112077> describes symptom of capitalism > blames communism
>>537112077Economic systems dont "work" or "fail" they differ merely in who recieves the most benefit from the economic system. The biggest predictor of all for how prosperous a given country will be comes down for the most part to resource availability and work ethic. You can have all the resources in the world but of no one wants to do actual work you get a situation like africa or current day america. You can have a population of hard workers but without resources to extract and trade you have something like mexico and most eastern european countries.
>>537120940>it wasn't REAL communism
>>537112077>Mass immigration isn't even caused by capitalism it comes from communism and communism was a major movement at the time that played a role in the immigrant crisis.Hahahaha, dear oh dear. It was the height of the industrial revolution. Haha, wow. Mass immigration is exclusively Capitalist and they don't even try to hide it anymore.They literally tell you. How can you read that book and still not grasp it? A fine example of poor comprehenion skills.
>>537112077Bolshevism is a jewish creation
>>537120187we can get to your (incorrect) assessment of the facts later, anon.first, I want you to explain the fallacy. the logical flaw that makes these statements invalid, regardless of the underlying facts.it's been an hour, anon. stop dodging the question. why are these objectively true statements fallacious in your view?
>>537121392>why are these objectively true statements You're begging the question
>>537112077>Engels says immigration functions to raise rent and lower wages and make the working class aliens in their own communities.Literally true>Mass immigration isn't even caused by capitalism it comes from communismI don't see much immigration in China but America is the 2nd largest spic pop in the world, 10th nigger pop (leaves like 40 AFRICAN countries behind) and possibly No1 Jew pop.
>>537121185We have watched communist terrorists engage in violence for over a decade in rabid support of open borders. You are a demented lying shit heel.
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>>537122019>We have watched communist terrorists engage in violence for over a decade in rabid support of open borders.speak for yourself, I don't tune into that alternative reality feed of slop you have installed in your brainium
>>537112361>assistant manager Failson
>>537121146>importing millions of low skilled, low paid migrant workers to increase profits isn't REAL capitalism.
>>537112361Communism fails primarily because of nepo babies being in charge.Just saying.
Why are communiggers always rich kids who hate the very working class they claim to want to "liberate".
Communists are incels
>>537112789They aren't fleeing bombs you mong.
>>537121947that's not what that means, retardwe can discuss your factual errors later, now stop dodging the question.you said you could identify fallacies in these statements, not simply factual errors but fallacies, identify them now or admit that you lied:>immigration functions to raise rent>immigration functions to lower wages>immigration make the working class aliens in their own communities
>>537112077>Mass immigration isn't even caused by capitalism it comes from communismAmericans need to be executed.
>>537112077Duh.A broke refugee migrant might raise the demand for homes by one home, but he raises demand by exactly zero dollar/euro/etc., as he is broke.Cue communistic unofficial subsidiation of housing prices as the state provides a home he can't afford.This is why the housing prices are so high, and why our commies are so desperate to keep migration going so that their faux-growth of the past decades does not become so obvious.It all boils down to ideologies and institutions desperately to keep their incompetence hidden.
>>537122310My dad is manager
>>537112077HA HA
>>537123159Begging the question IS a fallacy, you esl retard
>>537125082>Begging the question IS a fallacyin what way is "immigration functions to raise rent" an example of begging the question? it isn't. you're either stupid or a liar.in what way is "immigration functions to lower wages" an example of begging the question? it isn't. you're either stupid or a liar.in what way is "immigration make the working class aliens in their own communities" an example of begging the question? it isn't. you're either stupid or a liar.
>>537112077That necklace is bourgoise. In the DPRK it would be made of Vinylon
>>537116804>the soviet union was peaceful until CAPITALISM RUINED IT REEE!lollmaolmfao
>>537125533>>537121392>why are these objectively true statementsThis is begging the question
>>537112361So capitalism is a Ponzi?
>>537126868Capitalism is the crazy idea that people should earn what they have
>>537116108it's let's pretend china doesn't exist day! must have <85 iq and/or eglin base pass to participate.the libertarian koch brothers bought their oil tankers from commie yugoslavia because they were some of the best manufacturers in europe, if not the world. nato attacked them to stymie their manufacturing power, even doing the whole "send in the jihadis" thing. it had nothing to do with humanitarian goals.cuba is still around, so is north korea. cuba has trouble because of embargoes, not something inherently wrong with their mode of governance. and kim is doing really well with best korea. maybe think about that the next time you're driving around in your crumbling infrastructure amidst fent zombies and roaming packs of niggers, while the 1% give all your jobs to foreigners.
>>537126613>pretends not to understand in order to dodge the question for three hoursyou conceded that immigration functions to raise rent. you lied when you said this was fallacious.you conceded that immigration functions to lower wages. you lied when you said this was fallacious.you conceded that immigration make the working class aliens in their own communities. you lied when you said this was fallacious.now apologize for lying repeatedly and wasting everyone's time.
>>537112077Communism didn’t exist in Engels time, it was largely theoretical to Marx and Engels and Engels is 100% right that mass immigration lowers wages and makes the domestic population alienated in their own home. What is he wrong about exactly?
>>537123416Are you really saying that more people existing in a space doesn’t raise demand for housing? Those people have to live somewhere. They do not raise demand by “zero dollars” they have to live somewhere and work somewhere and will take whatever shitty jobs they get for garbage wages which drives wages down and creates more renters increasing the price landlords can charge. It’s actually insane how delusional some of you are
>>537127108>>537127122
>>537127466Nigger its YOU who is pretending not to understand basic things dipshit
>>537127466insanely ironic post/projection thereyou had three hours of me requesting you to identify the fallacy in those three statements.you could not identify the fallacy in those three statements.you conceded that the statements are not fallacious.now apologize for lying repeatedly and wasting everyone's time.uncontested fact, logically valid, not fallacious: immigration functions to raise rentuncontested fact, logically valid, not fallacious: immigration functions to lower wagesuncontested fact, logically valid, not fallacious: immigration make the working class aliens in their own communities
>>537112077By immigration I'm 95% sure he means rural white Englishmen moving to cities. The same thing caught me off guard whenever I heard China talk about their migrant workers.And urbanization is an unstoppable trend for any remotely developed society, since rural work is limited to agriculture, whereas urban work is nearly everything else. It makes sense that Engles would only focus on the trajectory of the situation. And no, he isn't attacking capitalism here, but that's another story.
>>537112589You seem jealous
>>537126613>begging the questionBegging the question (Latin: petitio principii) is an informal logical fallacy where an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion instead of supporting it with independent evidence. Essentially, the argument attempts to prove a claim by restating that same claim in different words or by relying on an assumption that is just as controversial as the conclusion itself. The fallacy is deceptive because the argument may be logically valid (the conclusion follows from the premises), but it is epistemologically useless because it provides no new reason to believe the conclusion. The premise requires the same proof as the conclusion, creating a loop where nothing is actually demonstrated.
>>537112077>Fredrich Engels describes here how capitalism destroys white workers through immigration>Clearly this describes how communism will always faillol, lmao even
>>537112077Communism was a vehicle Jews used to attain power in Russia and exterminate its people. In that regard it "worked." It's not supposed to work in the sense that communists and capitalists think, i.e. helping the workers or whatever.
>>537112077Mass immigration is primarily driven by the Jewish debt based currencies we are forced to use. Due to the eternal need for growth. It has nothing to do with capitalism or communism,.
>>537129457Not everything is a vehicle of the Jewish conspiracy, at some point trying to paint every political movement you disagree with as merely a puppet of the Jews becomes just a way to scare people into not considering the wrong ideas. Also, the Bolsheviks kept Jews out of power without having to resort to TKD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-cosmopolitan_campaign. If they didn't go full retard with a completely planned economy, they might still be around today. When the Soviet Union was dismantled and Russians were finally liberated to enjoy the freedom of capitalism, 100% of the top oligarchs in Russia were Jewish. ZOG has always found capitalism to be the more fitting vehicle for their aims of control than socialism ever will be.
>>537128736He meant Irish
>>537129497It has everything to do with communism.
>>537130557>>537131790hey, lying nigger, you still owe me an apologyyou lied when you said "immigration functions to raise rent" was fallacious.you lied when you said "immigration functions to lower wages" was fallacious.you lied when you said "immigration make the working class aliens in their own communities"you then pretended not to understand this and made discourse impossible for hours.apologize now for lying and wasting everyone's time.
